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On July 09 2020 17:25 CopCake wrote:
I am going to wait for him to see his defense but I agree with you on that or at least I like your pov.
I'd like to know what VE thinks about it too, considering he was on slam before and now they are on trfel together. VE's vote on slam was an early randomish vote but he continued to suspect him, or at least shade his reads, later on too.
I have a strong reason to sus shockeyy right now but i want to wait until he explains the post i quoted above.
I can't get a good read on ticktock but tbh i don't agree with your reason for sussing him. I'm like 90% sure you're town anyway.
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On July 09 2020 17:30 Tictock wrote:
Meh Jock, he did say several times he thinks lynching inactives is good, so makes sense to me.
That doesn't make it any more townie in my eyes.
Why trfel over me? He obviously thinks he has a good case on me, because:
On July 09 2020 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2020 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2020 18:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 18:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2020 18:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well TT is town so there is that. I think there is a huge difference already in how he approaches the game in comparison to the last game. You don't think someone playing mafia two games in a row would try consciously to approach the game differently? Or did you mean different specifically in a townie kinda way? Yes, specifically in a townie kind of way. The thing i find a bit weird in your approach is that in case you're actually interested in VE (who had the total 180 approach on shockeyy than you did -- so basically you should), i dont really know why you're "harassing" shockeyy right now instead of him? Like shockeyy did what he did and his posting so far definitely needs explaining. Which is something shockeyy will do anyways when he returns from the hangover land. Or if he doesn't, he is probably mafia. It's like... You progressed on something that will come out regardless of you asking for it, and left something else just be. Aka, from my pov you focused something useless instead of something useful. VE has already said he isn't going to post much on day 1 so i don't see how its more useful to go after him than shockeyy tbh. I dont care who posts how much. - shockeyy needs to explain his shit anyways - VE doesn't need to explain his shit unless someone asks to - Based on your posting you should want VE to explain his shit For other reasons I actually am starting to sus jock
On July 09 2020 07:48 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My current thoughts are:
Alakaslam (1): VisceraEyes
Shockeyy (1): Jockmcplop
VisceraEyes (1): Tictock
Tictock (1): Copcake
jockmcplop (1): Alakaslam
One of these fuckers are mafia 100%.
I meant the ones voting. It is jock my brother Vote with me!
Its not just the lack of a reason to vote for trfel but the lack of a reason to stop voting for me which i'm interested in.
Just 'lynch inactives' isn't really good enough when he seemed sure i was mafia and i made zero posts in the meantime.
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On July 09 2020 17:44 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 17:40 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 09 2020 17:30 Tictock wrote:
Meh Jock, he did say several times he thinks lynching inactives is good, so makes sense to me. That doesn't make it any more townie in my eyes. Why trfel over me? He obviously thinks he has a good case on me, because: On July 09 2020 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 08 2020 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2020 18:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 18:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 08 2020 18:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well TT is town so there is that. I think there is a huge difference already in how he approaches the game in comparison to the last game. You don't think someone playing mafia two games in a row would try consciously to approach the game differently? Or did you mean different specifically in a townie kinda way? Yes, specifically in a townie kind of way. The thing i find a bit weird in your approach is that in case you're actually interested in VE (who had the total 180 approach on shockeyy than you did -- so basically you should), i dont really know why you're "harassing" shockeyy right now instead of him? Like shockeyy did what he did and his posting so far definitely needs explaining. Which is something shockeyy will do anyways when he returns from the hangover land. Or if he doesn't, he is probably mafia. It's like... You progressed on something that will come out regardless of you asking for it, and left something else just be. Aka, from my pov you focused something useless instead of something useful. VE has already said he isn't going to post much on day 1 so i don't see how its more useful to go after him than shockeyy tbh. I dont care who posts how much. - shockeyy needs to explain his shit anyways - VE doesn't need to explain his shit unless someone asks to - Based on your posting you should want VE to explain his shit For other reasons I actually am starting to sus jock On July 09 2020 07:48 Alakaslam wrote:On July 09 2020 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My current thoughts are:
Alakaslam (1): VisceraEyes
Shockeyy (1): Jockmcplop
VisceraEyes (1): Tictock
Tictock (1): Copcake
jockmcplop (1): Alakaslam
One of these fuckers are mafia 100%.
I meant the ones voting. It is jock my brother Vote with me! Its not just the lack of a reason to vote for trfel but the lack of a reason to stop voting for me which i'm interested in. Just 'lynch inactives' isn't really good enough when he seemed sure i was mafia and i made zero posts in the meantime. Explain how any of that indicates "a good case" and not just a feeling? I think you are just OMGUSing here
You're welcome to think that if you want. Its simple though, he was sure i was mafia. I can tell because he said "It is Jock my brother". There's no uncertainty there at all and no room for interpretation. in his eyes I'm the mafia, but for some reason he'd rather lynch an inactive.
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This song is so stuck in my head right now all i can do is listen to it on repeat.
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On July 09 2020 19:45 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2020 19:31 Tictock wrote:On July 08 2020 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 19:14 Tictock wrote:On July 08 2020 19:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 19:07 Tictock wrote:On July 08 2020 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 08 2020 18:48 Tictock wrote:On July 08 2020 18:25 Jockmcplop wrote:
cos like, one fake vote without voting in the vote thread is a thing, but two just looks like feigning interest in the thread, and his answer to your question looked like he was just thinking up something random to write instead of trying to continue the conversation in an interesting way that might end up being useful. On July 08 2020 18:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
I put VE's introduction in the 'let's see how that plays out over day 1' category Interesting. I had like the exact opposite reaction as you. Sho's stuff felt pretty NAI as is and I've been interested to see how it progressed. VE on the other hand calls everyone town and kinda used my post to put a vote on Slam. It's also curious that you feel Sho could be scum but want to give a "wait and see" to VE's invented reasoning on how Sho could be town. On July 08 2020 04:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote rayn On July 08 2020 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
RNG vote is RNG, interest in game is townie to me.
That's about it, literally long version. Like why does VE assume that was an RNG vote? and how is it in any way showing interest in the game? So why aren't you voting VE? Meh, voting in the first 12 hours with barely half the game having posted... Didn't even want to post my initial thoughts about his posts till more ppl were active just to see how others approached things. Like everyone's saying VE is super suspicious but he's got no votes on him and no pressure on him, everyone just wants me to do it for them. Sorry I'm doing my own thing. I don't think thats the case, and I think I'm the only one who actually said VE is sus. The only thing I see rayn pushing is the fact that you don't have an issue with the one person who called your scum suspect town/ Oh yeah you're right. I assumed rayn was inferring that VE is scummy but he didn't at all. Either way if you want pressure on VE you're welcome to go for it but i'm doing my thing. frankly idc if rayn wants to come after me for not doing what he thinks my logic says i should do. rayn is good at reading me so he'll get to where he needs to be eventually as the day goes on. Nah, like a certain detective I like to have a bigger picture of the game before I throw down a vote. Though I suppose Trfel is the only one to not post yet and Sho and Slam will probably continue to be Null reads for me for awhile.... Yea I could do the thing. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Tfrl is the only one NOT posting, if he knew this he checked the whole player base and his next post is OH NOOOOOO I forgot Chezinu was in the game. Really?
I see it now, yeah.
How/why does that make him mafia though? What's the aim of him doing this?
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Its even weirder because ticktock specifically mentioned chez being in before the game started too.
On July 03 2020 00:42 Tictock wrote:
I think Chez is /in as well.
Also Alakaslam should be in the game just so he can occasionally post and be upset about not really having the time to play.
This way we only need to strong arm one more person into the game.
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On July 09 2020 20:46 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 20:35 Jockmcplop wrote:Its even weirder because ticktock specifically mentioned chez being in before the game started too. On July 03 2020 00:42 Tictock wrote:
I think Chez is /in as well.
Also Alakaslam should be in the game just so he can occasionally post and be upset about not really having the time to play.
This way we only need to strong arm one more person into the game. I avoided to use “pregame” posts but yes  I think someone finally sees what I do.
Its more that I see where you're coming from. I just can't connect it specifically to him being mafia. Its weird though for sure.
I'm going to find quotes for my explanation of my shockeyy read.
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Shockeyy
This is tinfoily so bare with me.
So shockeyy is someone i've been learning to read over the last few games. He has a way of playing that you can identify by how he is finding scum. He looks at wagons and tries to deduce the scum team from there. I first noticed it in oil futures mafia:
On May 01 2020 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
There's an obvious two mafia here. The third one can also be here, or just not voting, on some one else. But I definitely suspect two mafia here. Sorry Rayn, but I can't trust you on this. Given how probability works, and I know I'm not mafia; there's a very good and strong chance mafia is lined up here to lynch some one.
On May 01 2020 03:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GlowingBear: (3) Koshi, FecalFeast, Vivax
ShoCkeyy: (3) Alakaslam, Trfel, Raynpelikoneet
Also given that both Koshi and Slam are leading the wagons makes me even sicker. Also why would Slam "claim" blue before a night phase.... even if it is jokingly around.
Most of his reads for the rest of the game revolved around this analysis.
Then in Sushi mafia:
On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote:I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry  But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia. Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game. So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia? Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified. The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me. I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow. So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you. So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time. D1 Vote:CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch. Now D2 Vote:Trfel (3): TicTock, Jeekaka, Zey Zey (2): Vivax, Trfel Vivax (1): Raynpelikoneet I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel. It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
In both of these examples you can see clearly what the thought process is and why he is coming to the conclusions that he is coming to. Even though people disagreed, the logic is there in both exmaples.
So I townread shockeyy and told everyone why:
On June 04 2020 04:47 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2020 04:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 04 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:NVM I'm voting Cop just cause of this vote looks very reactionary. On June 04 2020 03:05 CopCake wrote:
## Vote: Vivax I think this is town shockeyy guys. Why? Because he's looking at the vote count and coming up with ideas about the scum team, which is exactly what he was doing near the end of day 1 as town in the oil futures game.
And then in this game we have the following:
On July 09 2020 07:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My current thoughts are:
Alakaslam (1): VisceraEyes
Shockeyy (1): Jockmcplop
VisceraEyes (1): Tictock
Tictock (1): Copcake
jockmcplop (1): Alakaslam
One of these fuckers are mafia 100%.
I meant the ones voting.
To me this clearly looks like a bad imitation of his townplay. There's no thought process here except 'these people voted therefore one of them is scum'.
Add to that that when he posted this i was the only person seriously sussing him and it was the last game we played when i told everyone that this kind of post was why i was townreading him.
If the rest of his play was related to this post or if the post contained any of the kind of analysis he displayed in his previous games I could be convinced that this is town shockeyy, but no, this is just a poor imitation.
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The specifics of this vote on trfel are hella confusing still though.
I don't understand why slam is voting for trfel instead of me, i already mentioned that, but VisceraEyes makes even less sense given that two posts before his vote he said:
On July 09 2020 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also people who feel the need to inform they forgot about the game start after this confirmation thing started to happen tend to be mafia. This is literally the only "case" I've seen you make on Trfel. Can you explain to me why this makes anyone scummy?
And other than trfel 'soft shitting on' a read, he doesn't give any reason at all for his vote switch, after previously saying he was happy with his vote on slam.
I don't really understand where any of this is going.
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I think between slam and shockeyy though my case on shockeyy is much better so given that neither of them are here to talk about it and deadline is coming up:
##unvote
##vote: Shockeyy
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That maybe true but even in shockeyy's words from this very game:
On July 09 2020 05:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 09 2020 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk if you should know that that does not make Slam mafia. I'll give you this for free: I'm using little to no meta this game. I'm assuming most of it is trash because I've played so little. Meta's change so much in every game. I hardly ever try to use meta. I'm a vote counter myself.
I know this read i'm making is a little self centred, but i feel like he's directing me to townread him based on what i said in previous games.
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On July 09 2020 23:02 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 02:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I don't have a circle yet, I am my own circle, and I don't trust anybody to enter my circle just yet. However, I do have a few maybes. Rayn, TT, and yourself seem town this game although rayn and TT were mafia last game >:O ##vote rayn
Jock leans more scum to me and it's not because he voted for me straight up. . . maybe a little, but it's really more about how he "tried" to pressure me while I was gone from posting for the day. It doesnt make sense for him to pocket you with the whole vote thing and call you mafia imo.
I don't think he's trying to pocket me, I think he's just trying to get me to stop suspecting him. Eliminate the suspicion by doing the thing he knows i'm looking for in town shockeyy..
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On July 10 2020 01:14 Trfel wrote:I'm here. I just can't find motivation Really sorry, you guys deserved better. Let me know if there are any questions for me, otherwise I'll read as many filters as I can before the deadline. Today is pretty busy for me so I'll have to leave after that, I should have more time to play tonight though.
If you have a PR please claim. Can't really say much else your game is about to end :/
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So the vote is for slam or trfel.
Do I really want to save trfel even though he hasn't really played? I don't have enough strong feelings about his alignment to really push to save him but i don't wanna be tunnelled on shockeyy the whole game either.
arg
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Shockeyy voting slam is literally the only reason i am not also voting slam right now.
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On July 10 2020 01:57 CopCake wrote:
AGHH, I don't think Tfrl is mafia.
I don't either.
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On July 10 2020 01:58 Trfel wrote:
Has no one read Alakaslam's filter this game?!!? Seriously, read it and come back and tell me he is town.
Bet you can't.
Isn't this often true regardless of alignment?
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On July 10 2020 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think there is a slight chance still that Slam could be mafia but because of how trfel approached the eod -- choosing to vote slam instead of shockeyy who (if not literally at least kind of 100%) had jock and cake on him. I think for survival it's better there to vote for shockeyy although that most likely provokes shockeyy's vote on trfel.
Anyways, i don't think Slam should be considered as mafia at least before lylo.
Yeah I'm thinking the same.
Can we read anything into trfel's 'analysis' late on of VE, slam and TT? Or is it a waste of time trying?
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On July 10 2020 02:47 CopCake wrote:
Is it true that corgis were considered the war horses of faeries in the english folklore?
Does it mean I am a fairy?
Is your alt name FairyCake?
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