[M][N] Sushi Mafia

On June 02 2020 10:58 Tictock wrote:
Guess I shouldn't feel bad about forgetting.

Is this the current pace of TL mafia?

On June 02 2020 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sorry, it's morning. I am mostly grumpy at mornings. Dont worry though, it'll get interesting. I personally joined this game mostly because i actually have to fogure out Vivax' alignment for once..

On June 02 2020 14:31 Vivax wrote:


Awkward post

On June 03 2020 14:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Trfel what are your thoughts of tiktok on me?

On June 04 2020 05:43 Jockmcplop wrote:


Who should we lynch?

On June 04 2020 05:46 CopCake wrote:


elaborate?

On June 04 2020 03:10 CopCake wrote:
Idk what is worse

Tfrl's "I have to sleep" two times consecutive promising reads or Vivax's saying my meta that then later apparently is irrelevant.

So far I think Jock/Jekaka/Tiktock should be in the never lynch forever.

Zey are you there?

On June 04 2020 13:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Trfel/jock mafia?

I’m changing my read on tiktok, cop was willing to be friends with them. Trfel and Jock following me to vote cop is so fucking scummy since cop is VT.

Cops death is on me.

On June 04 2020 13:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I mean this is the same situation I was in with OILS, and I was right about two of them. I gotta poke bby.

On June 04 2020 13:31 jeekaka wrote:
How came you ignored the question about your Vivax town godreads Trfel????

On June 04 2020 15:00 jeekaka wrote:
Vote count when you arrive:

Vivax (3): Jockmcplop, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka
CopCake (2): Vivax, ShoCkeyy
ShocCkey (1): TicTock

So, you dont think Vivax is town. You and cake are both next in two votes, and you vote Cake soon after, so you definitely don't think she's town.




So what on earth does this mean then?

On June 04 2020 15:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:


It does make sense cause I voted along with two mafia then which can be the case here again.

Good night btw

On June 04 2020 15:51 jeekaka wrote:


Which is good thing because..?

On June 04 2020 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But why would shockeyy be orrational and do things that make people call him mafia if he is mafia, trfel?

On June 05 2020 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna answer Trfel though. Obviously i dont think his case has any merit but i wanna see what he does after.
First thing is this:

(1) That was not the whole point. I hate when people take one small part of the case and (intentionally) fail to see the big picture. The big picture here is the following; I don't actually think someone falsely using meta is indeed scummy because people misremember things, and truth to be told Cake hasn't played that much here. But when i went and read the games they had played together it became apparent that Vivax is not telling the truth. You can all go and confirm what i said if you want to, here is the only game Vivax and Cake have been town in together on this forum. Whether Vivax was not telling the truth intentionally or not, the whole point regarding that stands. When you have based your scumread on false premises, and someone comes and debunks every argument for your scumread (which is literally what happened here), If you are town you start re-evaluating because your point doesn't actually hold water and you should know it. Vivax never does that. Trfel never acknowledges this fact (which is literally the point of my argument regarding this), and i don't like he's only arguing "half" of the argument because he can make up a "townie explanation" for part of it. Hope you get what i mean.


(2) That is just simply untrue. You can go to my filter and see that i was never convinced that Cake was mafia. The reason i voted for Vivax originally was because he wouldn't give me an answer to my concern. When i pushed for the answer i got a mafia answer. I had no reason to switch my vote. I don't think i also had no reason to NOT question other things i found suspicious since there was still a lot of time left in the day (i mean if i think Vivax is mafia for having a bs townread on me why should i do nothing else than yelling he is mafia???). Then Trfel made his super bad backpedal from Cake read and i called it out. Then Vivax made his bs meta read and i called it out and added it to my scumread on him.

Another thing here. I tend to encourage people to think with their own brain. Just because i didn't write a big case on Vivax right after i had "all the pieces" doesn't mean i didn't care about my scumread (or the game or whatever Trfel is saying). If you carefully read my filter you can very easily tell why i scumread Vivax even without the case. Like it is super obvious or at least should be. In addition to that, i literally had no time between the post where i ended my "chat" with Vivax and when i answered Zey about why am i voting for Vivax. I can sure post my "schedule" for my wednesday if anyone is concerned and had you not lynched Cake she could even confirm i am not lying if anyone is STILL concerned....

(3) See above.

(4) I am not sure what i was supposed to question? Can someone tell me why i should question my scumreads Vivax/Trfel on why they voted for someone else than Vivax/Trfel? Because for me the answer is apparent lol. Jock's vote change in the end was suspect to me. Because it made no sense from town pov. So that's why i questioned it. What else was i supposed to question? Smells like terrible argument with no thinking behind it.

So there is that, ball's in your court now Trfel.

On June 06 2020 03:34 Zey wrote:

In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:

(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere.
(2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy.
So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?

On June 06 2020 03:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But this point I just don't see how Trfel can survive D2, he's essentially been floating by without having to even put effort into the game.

On June 02 2020 23:50 Zey wrote:

I don't think that Trfel's question about Cake's townread was scummy. To me it just looks somebody who wants people to talk more that game would really start. It would be different if he would have said that Cake is scummy because of that. But I'm still wondering why he said that rayn's first post was scummiest entrance. I mean I don't see how it would be scummiest and I don't see how Trfel can believe that he would get any read about rayn with something like that.

On June 05 2020 19:10 jeekaka wrote:
And that detail about Zey:



Half an hour later Jock is dead.

I just think subconsciously you probably would not start questioning someone who you know is not gonna be there to answer.

On June 06 2020 11:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
You just wrote a bunch of nothing to just say you’re going to vote for me. Cool man.

On June 06 2020 11:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:


That’s exactly what you did to me. You said I had no reads yet you didn’t even try and read anything I wrote. You just put these huge walls of text and then say you’re going to vote for me. I feel like I essentially re-read your first 10 posts all over again.

On June 06 2020 14:18 jeekaka wrote:
I think your scumreads are decent, actually i listed Shock/Zey in my possible scum pairs as well.

Mostly I just wonder about you and Vivax hard townreading each other. You yourself admit it's very reasonable to suspect you - what do you think about Vivax not suspecting you at all?

On June 05 2020 22:54 Vivax wrote:


Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way.
His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further.

I'm still in a TT+zey world.

On June 04 2020 02:07 Vivax wrote:
What do you peeps think of zeys read progression on Trfel? Reads a bit like she got talked into it.

On June 04 2020 03:16 Vivax wrote:
And shockeyy as mafia is more disinterested and less shitposty and reactive.

You need to really be on him constantly to pull info out of him

On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote:
I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.

- Settles for a very early cop townread.
- Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum.
- His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing.
- Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business.
- Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.

He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.

You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.

Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him?
That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.

tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.

On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote:
Will consider looking into him a bit harder.
But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard.
But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me.
As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.

On June 06 2020 14:34 jeekaka wrote:
You read Shock and Tictock very differently than Vivax though.

What are your thoughts of them in comparison to Vivax's thoughts you just quoted?

On June 06 2020 12:18 Trfel wrote:
Looking through TicTock's filter, I think he could definitely be mafia here too. Probably not with ShoCkeyy, which puts me in an awkward position.

It's his read progression on ShoCkeyy and Vivax that makes no sense to me. He scumreads ShoCkeyy for posting useless things, sure. Then he eventually kinda backs off on ShoCkeyy some (? unclear what he really thought about ShoCkeyy) due to trusting Vivax, a null to slight town read. Then he decides that me and Vivax are mafia but still thinks ShoCkeyy is town, presumably based on Vivax's reasoning.

The ShoCkeyy read feels forced here. It goes away when it's convenient and comes back when it's convenient, regardless of what logic would suggest. The scumread on Vivax came up out of nowhere, too.