[M][N] Sushi Mafia

On June 03 2020 02:40 CopCake wrote:


If you were a fish, what kind of fish would you feel like?

If the answer comes with a pic would be lovely.

On June 03 2020 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think the correct question is do i think she would do something like that as mafia and is it more likely she would, than as town? I am not completely certain but i am leaning on mafia side here. Because once again:
- i agree with jeekaka's assessment that cake is not mafia with jock, i think its almost impossible. But if she is mafia and not with jock her defense that is like "around the topic" suddenly makes sense because she isnt even lying (the first thing she started with was the "why would i townread my mafia partner bla bla"). I know jeekaka at least semi-jokingly mulled over the idea but if cake genuinely townreads jock why doesnt she just state why she does so instead of this overly defensive "why would i" bs?? Thats what i would do if i took jeekakas post seriously like cake seemed to.
- then there is the "why are you calling out me and not this other dude" thing. Again that's talking around the issue. If you did something you get called out for, you address the issue and clear it, and not flush it off by trying to talk about someone else. I dont really know why any townie would do that.

Now i am not 100% certain of my read here and i dont think i am getting more educated on the matter based on what cake says, ehich is why i followed up on it with something else. We'll see later how that pans out. Other things i dont like so far is Vivax dodging my question at least twice and shockeyy playing the dumb game with the playerlist when it has already been explained before the game start.

I dont really have issues with other people so far.

On June 03 2020 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well she's my friend from the finnish mafia forum like she said before game start. Just like Zey is.

D1 is definitely the worst day, obviously since the starting information is zero, but there is no reason you cant have shit done on D1's. The good days, i think it was '14 or '15 when TL towns lynched mafia D1 like 50% of the games (yes, that actually happened).

Are you a platypus or am i a mind reader?

On June 03 2020 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i guess you at least read the post you originally quoted. Do you have anything to say about it?

On June 03 2020 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What are you referring to with jock and shock?

On June 03 2020 03:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:


You know me, I personally think D1 is the worst day of the game. I wasn't playing dumb with the player list, I was just honestly curious who jeekaka is

On June 03 2020 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah. And you said you thought about jock and cake being mafia. But idk why?

On June 03 2020 06:31 Zey wrote:

No. You asked what I think could be his motives as town and as scum. And that was what I told you. I don't know any other reason why town would do that.


Oh, that make sense. Maybe I should read that part again keeping this in my mind.


Because I'm used to just copy text and write by myself the quote stuff and I'm too lazy to figure out about time. If you want me to use time stamps please tell me how I can do easily multiple quotes in the same post without writing them by myself.


Thanks rayn but it's ok. Last time when I played in english I swore that I would never ever play in english again. And here I am. So if I get more accusations because my bad english, its okay. I'm prepared for it. :D

On June 03 2020 10:38 Tictock wrote:


Officially the most confusing post I have read this game... this is after reading the rest of the page and coming back to it.

Even moreso when I realize that Jocks full name IS Jockmcplop... Jock/plop...

On June 03 2020 20:19 jeekaka wrote:
At least now you did.

On June 03 2020 14:50 Trfel wrote:
Frankly your filter is kinda awful, in fact you're my top scumread currently. You've posted so much but I have no idea what your reads are except for maybe a random, reason-less scumread of Vivax? So if Tictock is suspicious if you then that's fine by me!

Tictock has been explaining his reads, I see no real reason to suspect him yet.

On June 03 2020 16:19 jeekaka wrote:
@ShocKeyy, you are telling us you are voting Vivax but are you actually gonna do it?

On June 04 2020 03:01 Tictock wrote:


I kinda like this from Vivax, except for one line.


I strongly disagree, Sho's entrance posts felt carefree but his posting quickly moves into awkward "I'm doing stuff but not really" and is very self-aware. He's using this "I don't like D1" as a cover to not be taken seriously but most of his posts come off like he's wanting to be around and participate not like somebody having fun.

This read is also a tad rambling imo, might just be wording but Vivax is using alot of "and..." here

On June 04 2020 02:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
This thing everyone's talking about with shockeyy seems like a misunderstanding or a typo and I wouldn't be judging people on that tbh.

Unless I'm missing something.

He was talking about rhyming mafia teams... shock and jock last time and hypothetically cop and plop this time cos it would be funny i guess. In both cases i would be mafia, once with shockeyy the other with copcake, and they rhyme.
I don't see how that makes him mafia unless you were already thinking he's mafia and this isn't the reason for reading him.

I feel like i'm not being clear but that's the best way i can think to explain it.

On June 04 2020 03:06 Tictock wrote:


Wait, is this basically:
Cake is mafia because she townreads my other scumreads.

?

On June 02 2020 11:27 Trfel wrote:
Not really, things just tend to be slow at the start of the game. I'm sure it will pick up once there are more relevant things to discuss in the thread.

Speaking of which, did you understand CopCake's townread of Jockmcplop? I mean I understand the words CopCake is saying, but I don't see why it makes Jockmcplop town at all. I see no reason he could not or would not say that as mafia.

On June 04 2020 05:27 CopCake wrote:


Are you... reading the thread, right?

On June 04 2020 05:51 Trfel wrote:
Stuff like this. Not focusing on who is mafia, but just who is playing "badly." Being so confident in assuming people are mafia (specifically me, and I've barely posted). It's hard to articulate but it just feels false to me. It also doesn't feel like you care about getting your target lynched. Moreso than indecision, it feels like apathy, which I really don't like. In contrast to someone like Zey, who made only a few posts but does seem clearly invested in the lynch and cares about it.

On June 04 2020 05:42 CopCake wrote:


Ok Shockey, this is the most important question you will ever get in your life besides the one a beautiful red head would ask you to marry her...

If I wasn't your lynch, who would come next? Who else would you lynch and why?

On June 04 2020 13:14 Trfel wrote:
What? Me and Jockmcplop voting for CopCake is scummy because CopCake was town. Since when did being wrong mean you are mafia? Wouldn't that mean you are mafia too?

On June 04 2020 13:33 Trfel wrote:
What? This makes no sense at all, please explain.


Sorry, what question again?

On June 04 2020 14:51 Trfel wrote:
I don't think Vivax is town, I just don't see any reason to call him mafia. I thought there were reasons for CopCake to be mafia, so I voted for her.

ShoCkeyy, what you're saying really doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yes I played in the Oil Futures mafia, but just because one of the lynch targets happened to be mafia there doesn't mean that they are here. That's very poor reasoning and I think you should know better than that.

On June 05 2020 00:06 Vivax wrote:
Palmar is probably the oldest vet of the forum. He tends to have a good scum catch rate but in the latest games he got lynched very early for bad reasons so he kind of stopped enjoying the game.

He has a hard time dealing with the British divas that show up from time to time. *cough* HF *cough*

On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote:
Will consider looking into him a bit harder.
But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard.
But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me.
As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.

On June 05 2020 23:21 Vivax wrote:
Though I'll pull a sicklucker and bet my left nut on Shockeyy being 100% town.

And TT wants the easy lynch.

On June 06 2020 11:29 Trfel wrote:
I didn't write a bunch of nothing. Please explain how you can call my reads "a bunch of nothing."

On June 06 2020 17:00 jeekaka wrote:
I thought Shock was super sketchy, but now that I did actually filter him it didn't come out quite as bad as I expected :D

@Shock could you point out where Cake scumreads Trfel for being afk?

On June 04 2020 05:18 CopCake wrote:
Like, reading tfrl's filter it looks awful how he says he is going to sleep, then again that he is going to sleep and promises reads but never happen.

He also says that I didn't post that I felt "sincere" Jock's post but it is implied.

On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote:
I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry

But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.

Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.

So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?

Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.

The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.

I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.

So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.

On June 08 2020 07:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't even know why rayn is voting Shockeyy.

On June 08 2020 07:45 Zey wrote:

I don't think rayn is scum so who ever we vote rayn needs to vote him too.

Rayn can you tell why you think Vivax is town? And why you voted Sho and not Tictock?

On June 08 2020 07:55 Zey wrote:

This doesn't sound town to me. Makes me think that Vivax is just trying to make rayn seem bad.

On June 08 2020 08:02 Zey wrote:

If he is mafia with Tictock why he said on the last minute of N2 that he think Vivax is town?

On June 08 2020 08:59 Zey wrote:

If Tictock and rayn are scums they need one more vote for you that they win. After reading my list about players rayn should think that I'm going to vote Tictock and I maybe can vote Vivax but it's not likely that I vote you without good case (and here he hasn't really done that). And to his perspective it should be okay to lynch Vivax so why bother? So it's not good thing to do if they want to get my vote with theirs votes. Are you gonna vote yourself? I don't believe so. So they aren't getting your vote either. Are they getting Vivax vote? I don't think they are counting for that because Vivax said that he is 100 % sure that you are town.

Tictock and rayn scumteam would have better chances if rayn trys to convince others that Vivax is scum. I think my vote would have gone easily there and that would have been only thing they would need to win.

On June 08 2020 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Probably mafia tbh.

On June 07 2020 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait it's zey and shockeyy right? :D

On June 10 2020 02:52 Tictock wrote:
Lol, I'm an idiot. Everyone is voting Sho including himself >.<

Are people even around?

I'm gunna yolo call the scumteam Rayn/Zey just off of what I recall and what I see right now. Will start reading what I missed here now.

If anyone is around and wants to point me in a direction or help me catch-up feel free.

On June 10 2020 03:06 Tictock wrote:
Humm, ok.

Why not Vivax/Me?

On June 10 2020 03:10 Zey wrote:

Because Vivax did yesterday everything he could to make me vote you.

On June 10 2020 04:03 Zey wrote:




So instead of pointing where I got wrong (and I was willing to discuss and asking where my deduction went wrong if rayn is scum) he just accuse me not reconsidering rayn and just accusing about friendship mafia. If he is town and he think rayn is scum why doesn't he try to explain why my opinion about rayn is wrong, where my deduction is wrong. But nothing. It seems to me that there is anything wrong so he couldn't say anything and only thing he could was trying to appeal to emotions.

On June 09 2020 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Zey seriously? Have you even read any of Vivax vs Rayn posts? I don't care if you don't reconsider Rayn at this moment, PLEASE JUST LOOK AT TICTOCK. If you don't believe TicTock is scum, then read one of Jee's final posts and you'll see EXACTLY why she was night killed. It's right in front of you.



He thinks Tictock is mafia but votes for me?

EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum. Trfel turned out town who started to second guess tictock right before he was lynched by you.

Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia? Like being AFK practically all of D2 into D3 should be the biggest tell, yet you're here still defending them.

Rayn hasn't made any attempt to actually solve the game. He's literally just saying these people are mafia because "I said so" and you're following along.

I can't stay out of this because I obviously want town to win.

On June 10 2020 04:47 Zey wrote:

How I'm creating confusion if TT is reacting Vivaxs posts? :D

On June 10 2020 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TT you need to vote for shockeyy if you're town.

On June 10 2020 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:


I understand you both being upset, but from someone who doesn't know your alignment, it felt suspicious to me.

Edit: I mean, you could've just piled on TT and let Zey decide and come back near deadline. Throwing the game made you look more suspicious

On June 10 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position.

On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:


So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time.

D1 Vote:
CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop
Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock
Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka

So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch.

Now D2 Vote:
Trfel (3): TicTock, Jeekaka, Zey
Zey (2): Vivax, Trfel
Vivax (1): Raynpelikoneet

I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel.

It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.

On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding the Drama...

As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.

That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.

A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.

On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.

On June 10 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end.

You should actually read the game some time.

On June 10 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You gave up twice in this game, as town.
You don't need to be mad at other people really.

On June 10 2020 06:55 Zey wrote:

Good for you being correct. And yep I wasn't going against rayn at least not with reasons "rayn is scum because he is alive" and some made up stuff. If you want me believe someone is scum try to tell good reasons why he is or at least try to discuss about it. There were so many questions that you guys just ignored and that isn't good way to convince anybody.

Sorry for being wrong about mafia but I did my best and in my perspective your and Vivaxs behavior was more scummy than Tictocks and rayns. I didn't vote you or Vivax because rayn is my friend, I did it because I thought you were scums. Sorry for being wrong.

On June 10 2020 07:10 Zey wrote:

I told you why I thought that rayn is mafia and was asking you many times why my deduction about him is wrong. How that isn't considering? If you would have been able to give me good reason why my deduction was wrong of course I would have thought rayns role again.