EPT[M][N] Holy Guardians - Chapter 2
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On April 05 2020 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't we all have to belong to the family?Is that saying you dont belong to the family?  And I don't feel sorry for myself because I don't plan on dying | ||
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On April 05 2020 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hm, I suppose that's fair. You are obviously far more versed in the flavor than I am :/Not really? Aren't the scum just in possession of the bodies of former people and therefore not "part of the family"? How are things up in Finland, with coronavirus and all? I imagine all the public saunas are closed? | ||
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And sorry, I fell asleep ><As for actually playing mafia, my current read: I think raynpelikoneet is null. Discuss! | ||
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On April 05 2020 03:30 Vivax wrote: Fortunately no. My cat came over, I've been busy petting her.Trfel you just posted, where have you gone. Did you roll mafia again  Why Bloodyc0bbler out of all people? | ||
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On April 05 2020 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Good enough case for me! SheepHe's pretty much always mafia though. | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Agreed, it feels a bit strange to have time to make a post but not have time to interact. And with a bit of an excuse.Shockeyy feels weird. That said... I've been doing okay with the whole coronavirus thing. We have the necessary supplies here, the main worry is for the health of those who are sick. And for myself personally, the loneliness and depression caused by staying inside so much is a bit of a pain to deal with but it's much worse for others so that's not so bad. | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:17 Vivax wrote: You mean, because I agreed with raynpelikoneet? Or what?I dub thee mr. nice guy. There's a good cure for that, try being a shrink for people or generally going a lot out of your way to help them, few years max and you will have no choice but to become more selfish. | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Just a joke. Partially aimed at me having one of the higher survived/endgamed percentages.Hi peeplz. Of course I get the lawyer flavor... Why do you not plan on dying? | ||
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On April 05 2020 05:35 ShoCkeyy wrote: Have you finished your chores yet?I always feel weird to everyone with my openers and turn out to be a town or a blue... I mean it's the beginning of the game, I think everything is currently related. I couldn't interact since I had pre determined chores, however, I wanted to let the thread know that I'm aware the game started. I don't think it's a weird opening, I'm just being truthful. I would think that's a high regarded value of a townie. And out of curiosity, did you confirm? | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Out of curiosity, why did you ask this? Did you expect me to say "I'm just here to survive because I am mafia" or what?Hi peeplz. Of course I get the lawyer flavor... Why do you not plan on dying? | ||
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On April 05 2020 09:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yeah, when GlowingBear sent out confirmation PMs, did you respond?I finished quite a good amount of them. I just have to vacuum. Are you asking me if I confirmed my role in the game? | ||
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On April 05 2020 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: I like to think that my getting lynched is in my control. Therefore, if I don't plan on getting lynched, it won't happen.I found the wording strange. "I don't plan on dying" vs. "I don't expect to die." I mainly ask questions to see the manner in which they respond, as opposed to the answers. On a scale from 1 (adorable) to 10 (mafioso), where is Shockey's opening posts? Does adorable count as town? Because if I'm being honest, I'd put ShoCkeyy's posts at exactly null. But I'd give an extra point or two for being adorable! | ||
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On April 05 2020 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Fair enough. The reason I asked was because if you confirmed before, it would show that you were present, so there would have been less need to post in the thread showing that.Not when he originally sent it, I responded after the game started, then posted in the thread. I had just woken up maybe 30 mins prior? That said, I guess I was kinda under the impression that you just played how you want and didn't really care too much what other people thought of you. Is that an incorrect assessment? | ||
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@Vivax, you too? | ||
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On April 05 2020 13:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Why does that make me more likely mafia? I think all players, regardless of alignment, are more sensitive to people's opinions of them.It looks like you are being very sensitive to rayn's opinion of your alignment, and that oversensitivity has caused you to read something NAI (rayn's early prodding) as being suspicious. To others, does Jockmcplop's wording here seem strange? It seems to me like he's actually giving town reasoning to me while calling it suspicious. | ||
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On April 05 2020 13:55 Jockmcplop wrote: You're greatly misrepresenting my play.Wow does everyone see something off with rayn? I don't see it. Overdefensiveness and coming into the game immediately being worried about people's read on you is +mafia for sure. I don't think all players play like that at all. A big example of this is the way you assume I think you are mafia when before this post I had not said anything of the sort, just that I disliked your previous post (I mostly disliked the logic of it until this response you just made). So the two assumptions you had made were: 1: I think you are mafia 2: The fact that you think that I think you are mafia, and Vivax's town read on you, are the most important things to you in the thread (ie you didn't respond to or quote anything else) Both of these assumptions show a mindset that you are coming into the game with, and that mindset is something that I have often seen with scum players. I'm not being over defensive. I'm hardly defensive at all. I don't really care what other people's reads on me are, I do care why those are their reads. Generally when someone says they dislike a post, it means they are more suspicious of that person. Otherwise why would you say that? That's a fair assumption to make. But regardless, I didn't ask Vivax about his town read on me, I don't particularly care about that. I was trying to ask Vivax why he was suspicious of raynpelikoneet. I apologize for not being more clear on that point. Furthermore, how do you conclude that those two things were the most important things in the thread to me? It's true those were the two things I brought up at that time, however I questioned and investigated several other things before that point. Those were the two things I found interesting between posts #83 and #93, but given that those are only nine posts, I find that quite reasonable. Please help me understand where you are coming from because right now I'm not seeing it. | ||
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On April 05 2020 13:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: I appreciate you answering, thank you.It's not, but I also don't want mafia to win, so I try at least. Do you have any players you are suspicious of at this point? And if not, what do you think of my "case" on raynpelikoneet? | ||
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I don't care about Vivax townreading me because I don't care too much about townreads in general (especially at this stage in the game) and I thought I knew why he was townreading me (since he later explained why, it turns out I was only partially correct, ah well). I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post so let me know if I missed something. But it seems that a key point is my "case's" first point on raynpelikoneet. It's not that he has an implied read that is suspicious, it's that the implied/joke read changes. Townies usually approach mafia from two perspectives: treat everyone as town until there is reason to suspect otherwise, or treat everyone as suspicious until they show otherwise. Raynpelikoneet's posts don't fit in either mindset. That said, if I'm being honest, it's not a strong point at all and we all know this. I'm saying it's the most suspicious thing at that point in the game. Why'd I bring it up then, so people like you have something to talk about! I'd say it worked perfectly | ||
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On April 05 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall?Depends on what your definition of different is. He was mafia last game hah. It’s hard to know, but he does seem similar. I’ll give him a second look. Side note, I really want to be suspicious of Jockmcplop, his wording and logic just feel so off, but I can't put my finger on it or articulate why So I'll let it drop. I reserve the right to be suspicious of him later though  | ||
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On April 06 2020 14:18 Chezinu wrote: Hi Chez MOM!!! What is up with the pool?!?! I was going to shoot a movie today! If you had to throw someone in the pool in a little less than 12 hours, do you have anyone you would choose? | ||
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On April 06 2020 14:20 Chezinu wrote: My apologies, I've been pretty busy lately, I have not yet watched the video You know the pool is green right now... oh.. I guess you didn't watch my cooking show. If you did, you would know. I surrender to the intellectual superiority of the Chez. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ShoCkeyy Seems very interested in how towny he looks. Feels suspicious, but maybe this is just how he plays. Check meta as town to confirm or deny this. Note: checked meta from last game, didn't see any similar statements but I'm still not very confident in this reason to suspect ShoCkeyy. Interested to see where he goes from here. BloodyC0bbler Why does he say I am overly defensive here? I only tried to understand Jockmcplop's read, not disagree. However Jockmcplop also thought this way, so perhaps it's more up to interpretation than I thought. Jockmcplop Something still feels wrong about our conversation yesterday but it's probably just me making something out of nothing. I can't confidently say why it was off, and if Jockmcplop is mafia, there should be better reasons why. On April 05 2020 21:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Some things feel off to me about this post. First, he says he's not willing to lynch Chezinu because he can't read him, but he is willing to lynch Rels, who has made zero posts. I'd understand this more if he said that the reason was that Chezinu was fun, but he said that the reason was that he couldn't read him. It's a minor detail but it makes me a bit suspicious. I also don't like him suddenly agreeing with the Hapahauli read, he didn't mention it at all earlier and then suddenly agrees after raynpelikoneet makes a big post.So far my town reads are vivax and bloody and I also wouldn't lynch rayn, or probably chez. Vivax I already explained, he just has that spark when he's trying to solve, and you can see it here. This is a meta read though so its always a chance that this is the game where scum Vivax changes his meta. He's probably town though. Bloody keeps saying things that I'm thinking and although that's fakeable so early in the game, I find it far more likely that he sees the game similarly to me because he's town. I wouldn't lynch rayn here because he *seems* townie, but historically I can't read rayn for shit so I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt really. I'll filter him in a minute and see if anything jumps out. I like the long post alot. Chez I wouldn't lynch also because I can't read him. He's very entertaining though so best keep him alive. Everyone else can die until we find scum, probably in the following order, scummiest first: haphauli - Not really much to say other than I agree with bloody and rayn but he needs to come and be town or he gets lynched. Rels Nothing. Shockeyy Need to see more from shockeyy but he seems a bit too laid back if you know what i mean. Almost like he can't be bothered. Said he wants to have more interactions with other people so I want to see what happens if he does. Trfel I have explained. He responded okay to pressure but I still think his case on rayn was poor and he pulled out the 'trying to get people talking' line that mafia loves. I'm trying to avoid tunnelling on him though because I've done that before when he was town. So yeah my two biggest scumreads have barely posted. I guess that shows where I am in this game at the moment. Q/A On April 05 2020 17:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Honestly I've no idea.So how do i approach the game normally? On April 05 2020 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: @raynpelikoneet and/or BloodyC0bbler: Can you please help me understand why you are scumreading Hapahauli? You said that it feels like he was just posting to post and wasn't going anywhere with his questions. I don't disagree, however you made these statements when Hapahauli's last post was on the bottom of page 4, giving him only two and a half pages of content to work with. At that time, we were talking about flavor and voting randomly. I just don't get what you expect from Hapahauli this early into the game.I have just spent time trying to figure out what Shockeyys posting means and i don't really see that. Sure you can be right or then not, but i can't tell if he is mafia or not. I think cobbler is right on Hapa though, i thought about the same thing instantly when i saw Hapa's two first posts. @Jockmcplop: What was it in particular that made you suspicious of Hapahauli? @ShoCkeyy: I assume you'll see this while you are catching up on the thread, but if not, just a reminder: On April 05 2020 15:16 Trfel wrote: Wait a second, I'm confused. By "new and curious," (see nested quote) are you characterizing my play this game, or are you characterizing my play last game/overall? | ||
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Problem is, I don't know who to vote for It honestly feels like there is just not enough information for me to confidently scumread anyone. Jockmcplop is my best guess, though we may have to settle for a policy lynch. Gosh, I don't know ##vote Jockmcplop May be around for a bit but likely going to sleep soon. | ||
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When he's town I'm used to him posting some relevant information/reads. Obviously in his own Chezinu way, but they are there. This game he is voting for (iirc) Jockmcplop, but I couldn't understand why, does anyone know why? Chezinu this game just feels very different from previous games where he's been town. Still awesome and funny, but different. I'll try and read a previous Chezinu mafia game or two. | ||
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I could see you guys being right and Hapahauli being mafia, I could even more easily see Jockmcplop being town, but really it would just be a trust vote because I don't fully understand it Gonna try and sleep and worry about it in the morning.Raynpelikoneet, would you mind explaining why Hapahauli's scumread on BloodyC0bbler is so bad? | ||
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On April 06 2020 19:22 Jockmcplop wrote: Thanks for answering, I appreciate it.Sorry I missed it. Hapahauli's entrance was bad. I agreed with bloody's case on him basically. He seemed like he was just asking random questions to be involved without actually caring about the answers. Now I scumread him more because of the way he came back and instantly jumped on the back of what rayn was saying about me, which looks like a self-preservation move, using thread sentiment to feign aggression against the obvious target. I still want to see more from shockeyy though. I dunno if you looked in my "Notes" spoiler, but what I'm getting at is: you were present in the thread when BloodyC0bbler posted about Hapahauli. You were there for his early posts and didn't seem to find them interesting yourself. But it was only after raynpelikoneet posted about Hapahauli that you said you scumread him. If you agreed with BloodyC0bbler's case, why didn't you say so at the time? To me it feels like you saw the wagon gaining support and only then jumped on. Unless there is something I am missing? | ||
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On April 06 2020 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote: Hm, I guess that makes some sense. Except we wrapped up our conversation before BloodyC0bbler posted on Hapahauli, but it's a small detail.There's nothing really to say about bloody's case on hap other than 'I agree'. There's no conversation to be had about that, and I was busy in the thread speaking to you about other stuff at that time. I agree with plenty of stuff people say in the thread but I don't always make a point of posting about it. If hap had done more at that time I would have had reason to to go analyze his posts or respond to bloody with my own opinions about it but he hadn't and so I don't see the point in posting +1s or 'i agree' or something like that. It's this weird thing in mafia where everything I know about the game tells me Jockmcplop is mafia, but I am also so bad at the game I could be completely wrong Gonna be stupid and look at a Jockmcplop town game for him saying "I agree" or an equivalent... | ||
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On April 06 2020 19:46 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry to keep pestering you, but I don't understand the second paragraph. Honest curiosity about what you are saying.I can see how it would look like that. I would say that also applies to hap's return to the thread and his subsequent vote for me. The difference being that hap was under pressure at the time and I wasn't, and also that when I made my reads list the only decent case in the thread was against hap. What does being under pressure matter for this? Like why is that difference alignment indicative? And what does the last sentence mean, that you have to agree with it because it's a decent case, or that Hapahauli had no decent case on you to agree with? I think I'm just missing your intention with those sentences, sorry. | ||
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On April 06 2020 20:08 Jockmcplop wrote: Fair enough, I appreciate you humoring me. I don't know if there is anything else you can help me with currently, I just need to think about it and figure things out. And sleep. Maybe in reverse order.If you're under pressure you need to post reads and figure out a way to survive. Hapahauli has worked out his best way to survive. My read on hap was based on the information available in the thread, that's why i scumread him, because the best case in the thread was about hapahauli. Hapahauli's reason for scumreading me was survival. My meta check came back inconclusive, I didn't find what I was looking for (to confirm or reject it) but I did see a ton of original thought. Going to reread Jockmcplop's filter and try to look at the big picture instead of the small details. | ||
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He questioned me for a while and ended up reading me as somewhat suspicious, sure. But he hasn't really followed that up. Instead he followed other to vote for Hapahauli. And is scumreading Rels and ShoCkeyy. Honestly it's kinda a boring filter. And that makes me think Jockmcplop is mafia. But I don't want to tunnel, and I really need sleep So I'll try and sleep and re-evaluate in the morning. | ||
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On April 06 2020 20:42 Vivax wrote: I could be on board with this too. Rels will likely be modkilled for not voting if he doesn't return, so he'd be a bad option.Shockeyy has still done fuck all and is lynchable for me. Even on the chance that Jock is mafia it doesn't feel right to me not to lynch Shockeyy over him here after he said 7 hours ago he was catching up. | ||
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If Rels is town, his modkill costs us a lynch. If we mislynch and Rels is modkilled, it's 4v2 MYLO which is far from ideal. | ||
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@Raynpelikoneet: I know this is slightly WIFOM, but if Hapahauli is mafia and double bussed with Jockmcplop, why did he go into the deadline openly saying he doesn't care about the lynch? That seems really dumb to me. | ||
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Same with Hapahauli saying he is tempted to lynch a townread before a scumread. He's obviously not actually going to do that, so why does him saying that make him mafia? | ||
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I do want to check on Jockmcplop's read on BloodyC0bbler, where he said it checks out and keeps him at town lean. Does it really check out? Note to self. Also BloodyC0bbler's read on ShoCkeyy. Hapahauli made some really good points on this, where BloodyC0bbler said he read ShoCkeyy as town partially because some of his scumreads were reading ShoCkeyy as mafia. But that's actually not true at all. This point was kinda forgotten but I think it's worth bringing back up. | ||
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ShoCkeyy, thanks for answering too. For the record, my "case" on raynpelikoneet was pretty weak, and I don't think it's worth revisiting. Just to make sure, you are saying Hapahauli is town and BloodyC0bbler and Chezinu are null? Or the reverse? | ||
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On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So my memory is correct. BloodyC0bbler himself was suspicious of ShoCkeyy's entrance to the thread. Jockmcplop, BloodyC0bbler's townread at the time, was too.hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough. Also glad to see you still play exactly as my brain remembers you Vivax. Fast and loose. Like I was at 17 apparently. This makes BloodyC0bbler's townread on ShoCkeyy early on even harder to understand. | ||
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Just thinking out loud, which given the low number of posts in the thread is fine I believe. Curious if anyone knows when Jockmcplop realized he was going to be lynched. I want to look at Jockmcplop's filter to try and get any hints to if there was an intentional bus play or not. | ||
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I know you already answered it here: On April 06 2020 05:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: But to me, that doesn't make any sense. Given that you said that you didn't like his entrance: The how is purely I didnt find his entrance as jarring mixed with people i had scum reads focusing him. On April 05 2020 04:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and your scumreads (Vivax, Hapahauli, and me) weren't focusing him at all. I looked at player filters to confirm this. I asked ShoCkeyy a few questions, but said my read on him was "exactly null." Vivax had ShoCkeyy had top scum for about 20 minutes, and quickly jumped away to focus on Jockmcplop. Hapahauli barely mentioned ShoCkeyy and didn't suggest he was mafia in the slightest.hmm, im having some intuitions that say "watch the trfel person, or that shockeyy" the entrance they made hasn't been good enough. So how did you arrive at this read? Because to me it doesn't add up. | ||
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On April 06 2020 23:33 Jockmcplop wrote: Does that really make sense?Yeah that checks out. BC still a townread for me then. Here's a look at some of Vivax's posts before BloodyC0bbler's first read list. The "unexplained reads." (pre post 120) + Show Spoiler [Vivax's posts at first] + On April 05 2020 12:44 Vivax wrote: You are probably town for this. I also think you are right on rayn but not for those reasons., On April 05 2020 14:43 Vivax wrote: Shockeyy do you have any scumreads or leads? Feels like you are just coexisting. Jock I really really think Trfel is town here. He has a mind of his own if I had to name the reason, instead of just being a void content factory. I kinda understand where BloodyC0bbler is coming from to put Vivax at a scum lean at this point. He explained his townread on me (Trfel), and said he is suspicious of raynpelikoneet, and implied that he is suspicious of ShoCkeyy. But there were no reasons given for the last two. And how did Vivax's posts change by BloodyC0bbler's updated read list? (post 121-225) + Show Spoiler [Vivax's posts later] + On April 05 2020 15:55 Vivax wrote: It's funny you quote a post where I explain why and ask for the why. There is enough content in the game already to form opinions, but you don't have any reads and want more content. I don't know if you're just that confused and lazy at reading or just mafia. On April 05 2020 17:20 Vivax wrote: Rayn, Shockeyy is probably scum. Also where Hapa seemed to intend to go with his posting. On April 05 2020 17:40 Vivax wrote: He's just posting along and not poking anywhere. Though I'm doubting the read a little because he just seems super carefree. Warming up for a Jock vote instead on a reread, tell me what you think? I think him going after Trfel here feels a bit like he was trying to echo some sentiment (from BC but also me at the start) so it seems kind of opportunistic and he's way too focused on just talking it out with him instead of explaining what makes Trfel scum besides the post where he said he was overdefensive. On April 05 2020 18:15 Vivax wrote: Fair enough, could use more Hapa in here anyway. But I still don't think the way Jock went after Trfel was townie. On April 05 2020 18:56 Vivax wrote: BC in this case seems to just take positions beforehand and then attach whatever reasoning he can muster to justify them, posthum. Also scummy af. On April 05 2020 19:11 Vivax wrote: (and a few more but you get the idea)How so. First thing he did was post a list. Then afterwards came any explanation for those reads. Also it bugs me massively what he writes about me. I mean sure, he doesn't understand how I read Trfel. Which is just that in the last game, he was posting 'analysis' on tons of people without seeming to have an actual opinion. While also seeming awkward and appeasing. That can be forgiven because I kept it short. But saying I have no reads or leans or claiming that not answering his question when it's obvious at what I'm looking at which answers it, is just false. I scumlean shockey, rayn, Jock. I townread Trfel and made all of those clear. But I have to admit chances are this is just bad town play. Depends really on how much he is willing to backtrack and admit it was just factually wrong. Admittedly, it seems like a reasonable change. I still struggle a little to see the initial read but if you accept the initial read, the reasons for the read to change do make sense. I'll probably be out for a bit. That or looking at Jockmcplop's filter some more. | ||
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I was hoping to see how other people's interactions changed around the time it seems like Jockmcplop gave up (like, if people went harder to push him then, it's more likely they were bussing, etc). But given that my biggest scumread, BloodyC0bbler, wasn't around at all during that time anyway, there's probably not too much to be learned from it. | ||
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I still think it's BloodyC0bbler, I'll re-evaluate more tomorrow. Kinda lazy currently after getting mafia day 1. | ||
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I feel like raynpelikoneet and Hapahauli are town. Raynpelikoneet because of not bussing Jocmcplop and his tinfoil scumread of me, feels really genuine. Hapahauli because he was the other Day 1 wagon and he's beeen doing a ton of quality analysis. However I know that raynpelikoneet is very strong as mafia and I can only assume Hapahauli is as well, I will try and read their filters and make sure. Chezinu and ShoCkeyy I both feel like are town? But I don't have a ton of reasoning for why. Chezinu because of meta (I don't like his lack of reads this game, but I know he sometimes does this as town too), but moreso because of his vote on Jockmcplop Day 1. That said I could definitely see him being mafia, I just don't know how to read him and how to see if he is indeed mafia. So it feels like a shot in the dark. ShoCkeyy I kinda forget about honestly. At a glance he feels similar to last game, where he was town. There have been some things that I don't really like about his play, specifically lack of reads/commitment to things, but I'm not rally sure if that makes him mafia or not I still need to watch most of Chezinu's videos. But if those aren't too helpful I'll probably focus on reading ShoCkeyy and going from there. And of course re-evaluating the other two (maybe after the night kill). | ||
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On April 10 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: Purely because of Chezinu's vote on Jockmcplop?I don't see an option other than Shockey. Rayn, talk to me about your Trfel read when you get the chance. Maybe I'm tinfoiling too much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I could see it coming from mafia. Still a useful point but yeah, Chezinu is so unpredictable... | ||
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On April 11 2020 03:16 Hapahauli wrote: Honestly it's a bit hard to say, but my gut tells me it's a townish rant. Maybe this is just because I tend to not be a believer in scumslips, but also because primarily I feel like mafia tends to be more organized.Trefel, Is that Shockey sequence on this page a scumslip or a rant gone wrong? First, I assume mafia didn't decide to make the intentional play of not submitting a night kill so that it would be randomized and announced as randomized to feign inactivity. That seems far too convoluted. Following that, if ShoCkeyy is mafia, he couldn't forget that the mafia night kill was randomized. He would have thought about possible night kills and the strategies/implications of each, and then failed to submit one, so he would freak out (which admittedly does fit what happened). But I feel like it would be so obvious to mafia what happened that he wouldn't then go into night kill analysis. It's so messy it feels more town to me, mafia tends to be a bit more measured, careful, and constructive. But maybe that's not ShoCkeyy's mafia playstyle. Maybe he is an impulsive, rushed poster as mafia. Then I could see it coming from mafia, but most mafia players aren't like this. Another thing to note is that he didn't go after me or Chezinu, he went after you (Hapahauli). That's a much, much, much harder target, and it feels more like a town tinfoil theory than mafia, who tends to focus on the easiest target in LYLO/MYLO. For ShoCkeyy to be town, he'd have to be really flustered. Reading that the night kill was randomized and not the second blue post does kinda give away that mafia failed to submit a night kill, I picked that up myself before reading the second blue post. Losing his top townread and biggest protector (in raynpelikoneet, also potentially his only chance at avoiding the lynch), I could see him getting pretty flustered and confused. I once lynched the town gunsmith after he claimed he'd flip green once he got counterclaimed, and only after everyone called him out on it realized he'd flip blue. I just feel like town are more inclined to make large mistakes of that kind than mafia. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll definitely keep thinking about it, but those are my thoughts right now. | ||
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Good night Mr. Chez. | ||
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For all of the resistance to give reads and the confidence to play his own style, there are simply too many contradictions to ignore. He had reads. Then he said he wouldn't have reads until the night kill or the day 2 lynch. Then when pressured he produced reads. Huh? Makes no sense. After the day 1 lynch, two of his top townreads (Chezinu and BloodyC0bbler) became his lynch pile. I don't know why, it seems like he was just following thread sentiment (especially on BloodyC0bbler), making up scumreads. I could babble forever about ShoCkeyy's filter and play, but it feels really motivated by what's happening in the thread, motivated by pressure. Not coming from a town player who is actually trying to figure things out. And that makes me think he is mafia. Yes, mafia didn't night kill. Yes, Chezinu didn't post at all night 2. But ShoCkeyy's only night 2 posts were very early into night 2. It's quite possible that ShoCkeyy is mafia and didn't submit a night kill and then didn't come back for a while and it was randomized for him. On the lack of night kill alone, it does point to Chezinu more, but I definitely think ShoCkeyy is still a possibility. I could see it going either way honestly Not very confident this game. It's entirely my bad for laziness/lack of activity/struggling to read these last few players. But right now I am more confident in ShoCkeyy being mafia than I am in Chezinu being mafia.Will try to be back before the deadline tomorrow to talk about it and/or change votes if needed. | ||
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On April 12 2020 16:09 Chezinu wrote: I don't really think it's Hapahauli, it's possible, but it would be some pretty brilliant mafia play if it is him. Hapahauli posted his reasons for lynching Jockmcplop quite early on, it felt like a genuine push to me.What about Hapa? He defended me and said that my heart <3's people and make them laugh. Then today... he turned on me as if I bussed Jock... If I were to bus, Jock would have volunteered. The question is... did Jock volunteer or did Hapa lynch Jock out of self-preservation? You really think Hapahauli is mafia? | ||
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Thanks to GlowingBear and Tubesock for hosting! Sorry again for my lack of activity day 2-3. | ||
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