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Ok done with lecture I liking Rels so far and idk if GB is serious about his push on Rels at all. Vivax is town as well we had the same thought about the Chez stuff at the start of it. Wish HF and Sent would post more and have everyone else enter
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
I don't really see much of note currently. Interested by Holyflare voting for [UoN]Sentinel but I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment myself. Anything you want to talk about?
Ya I interested in that as well and want to see how that push goes.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
ya i finding that push from HF being meh at best hence why I want to see where it goes because otherwise it's a very bad case.
Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
What do you think of Sentinel and Kelsier, LS? And Vivax?
Null on Sentinel he been very underwhelming but I don't think it was super scummy like HF made it out to be and townlean on Kelsier despite the over reaction by him mainly because he and I had the same thoughts on HF's push on Sent. Vivax I still got him as town like I stated earlier he is at least engaging in the game which he doesn't do much as scum.
Yup, that's one of the reasons he's mafia for. Anti-town plays getting him read as town. He didn't have any particular reason for coming snarky as that into the thread except for having rolled mafia.
tbh I find it more often than not that Town players do the self voting stuff myself which I had done plenty of times as town.
Yup, that's one of the reasons he's mafia for. Anti-town plays getting him read as town. He didn't have any particular reason for coming snarky as that into the thread except for having rolled mafia.
Or it could mean he rather prove hes town with his death. I don't get the mentality of let's label him mafia because he self voted. It could also just be really bad play by town, this is definitely something I've done in the past, and have been labeled as mafia for it while I was town.
I do however understand the mentality of "oh obvious mafia is trying to pass as town". But in most cases, I don't think I've seen mafia self vote right off the bat.
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
On March 27 2020 05:08 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still think there is a high chance he will flip scum.
On March 27 2020 05:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Hmm.
And who's probably mafia with him?
idk who his partner would be tbh. I don't think of possible teams this early anyways.
On March 27 2020 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Hmm.
And who's probably mafia with him?
idk who his partner would be tbh. I don't think of possible teams this early anyways.
You don't have to make unflipepd association. We all know there are two mafia here. You've got one. Who would be the second one if you had to choose today?
If I really have to stab now maybe Palmar? I don't think he normally sheeps this hard Day 1 as town.
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.
Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
The bolded I had done plenty of times even when I became a veteran in mafia I don't think that necessary would make Sent scum.
On March 27 2020 07:16 LightningStrike wrote: So unless you think I am making that shit up maybe you should check out UNT's situation and how we had to move to Zoom for our lectures?
We moved to Zoom weeks ago!
This was my first week of lectures on Zoom since my professors had to get everything prepared to transition into doing lectures on Zoom.
On March 27 2020 07:16 LightningStrike wrote: So unless you think I am making that shit up maybe you should check out UNT's situation and how we had to move to Zoom for our lectures?
We moved to Zoom weeks ago!
This was my first week of lectures on Zoom since my professors had to get everything prepared to transition into doing lectures on Zoom.
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
What do you think of Sentinel and Kelsier, LS? And Vivax?
Null on Sentinel he been very underwhelming but I don't think it was super scummy like HF made it out to be and townlean on Kelsier despite the over reaction by him mainly because he and I had the same thoughts on HF's push on Sent. Vivax I still got him as town like I stated earlier he is at least engaging in the game which he doesn't do much as scum.
Have you actually read the case on Kelsier? I find it extremely hard to believe that you have when you make the bolded statement.
Part of it when I decided it wasn't that good of a case and thought it was scummy for him.
On March 27 2020 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: And yes I really did have lecture for my bio chem lab and had to prepare for it 15 minutes in advance and only ended shortly before I posted.
I believe you had class, I don't believe you had to storm out.
I had to watch these two videos for the lecture:
Which would of left me just enough time to get my stuff together for lecture.
Null on Sentinel he been very underwhelming but I don't think it was super scummy like HF made it out to be and townlean on Kelsier despite the over reaction by him mainly because he and I had the same thoughts on HF's push on Sent. Vivax I still got him as town like I stated earlier he is at least engaging in the game which he doesn't do much as scum.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
If you have the same thoughts as Kelsier about Sentinel then why all of a sudden does he want to lynch Sentinel for points I've raised?
We had the same thoughts about your case on sent right at the time before he decided to vote sent?
On March 27 2020 08:49 LightningStrike wrote: DMA says that HF might actually be town now wtf.......
Or, as someone with a brain who can analyse posts and content and talk through points that others have raised rather than blandly stating things, you could come to the conclusion I'm town without resorting to pointless metrics.
If you have to write an essay on a topic do you write one line that says the conclusion or do you flesh out arguments from both sides and have a discourse that ends up in a conclusion?
I always been forced to flesh out my arguments but I not very good at it though regarding the essay part of the post. As for the other part:I always paranoid about your alignment especially because of stuff from all those years ago and I tried to use Geript's way of reading you honestly.
On March 27 2020 08:56 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck is "Geript's way of reading you" and why is it good when I've been lynched as mafia like a grand total of 2-3 times ever?
He told me the way to read you is whether or not you were pushing a actual mafia agenda which I did thought you were at the time.
On March 27 2020 09:00 Holyflare wrote: You don't KNOW what mafia agenda is. This thread was dead, nobody was posting any case on anyone. Who were people voting before I started two "cases" (why do people call my one sentence on Sentinel a case????) on people that BOTH floundered and refuse to play the game instead of making any kind of actual retort to statements I've made.
There is only town agenda to start cases and make pushes in this game. Nothing was achieved beforehand and it's very much QUITE apparent that nothing happened in my absense either. People that get cased refuse to even play the game and are mafia or shouldn't have even bothered to sign up to this game. If one sentence against Sentinel was enough pressure to get him to fold and he's town then I have no hope for any kind of future here.
So, LS, why is pushing Kelsier with a case when there are 0 votes in the thread considered mafia agenda?
Because you pushed Sent and just shortly after KSC which would of caused chaos? That at least why I thought it was mafia agenda but doesn't help I don't know how exactly how mafia agenda suppose to look like T_T
On March 27 2020 09:01 Holyflare wrote: Palmar is following a stellar case on a mafia member that folded under pressure and resorted to ad hominem attacks on me for absolutely no reason despite never voicing these grievances in any game we have played together previously.
Will check if the later is true. Now about Trfel while I check?
On March 27 2020 09:01 Holyflare wrote: Palmar is following a stellar case on a mafia member that folded under pressure and resorted to ad hominem attacks on me for absolutely no reason despite never voicing these grievances in any game we have played together previously.
Will check if the later is true. Now about Trfel while I check?
On March 06 2015 23:26 KelsierSC wrote: Well you townread hf because he wasn't pushing the thread his way but the games ive played with hf as town he like bullies the thread to go his way.
I've searched Kelsier's post history for bully and this is the only post I got. He thinks I'm a bully as town.
On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote: @Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.
No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.
I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.
Also has never said anything about me being the death of the forum. I searched hf in his search history and he's never once mentioned anything of the sort.
Can confirm actually hmm.... idk anymore honestly >.<
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
Regarding Trfel I just reread his filter and his stuff about the case on KSC is actually a lot worse than I remembered. Regarding shockeyy I'll maybe have to reread the thread about the three mafia part to see what you talking about.
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
Regarding Trfel I just reread his filter and his stuff about the case on KSC is actually a lot worse than I remembered. Regarding shockeyy I'll maybe have to reread the thread about the three mafia part to see what you talking about.
I didn't really see what you were talking about at least from shockeyy's filter unless I didn't ctrl f the right key words.
While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently.
Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely:
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote: Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now.
Thoughts?
I wasn't digging Palmar's play for the same reason myself but idk if he is town or scum though because of it.
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
I agree with your points of how to analyze people as being Mafia. However, I don't believe Mafia, especially Kelsier, would play like this. I also believe his posts could come from a townie perspective.
I don't believe he was discrediting, I believe he was fleshing out opinions on what he thinks about peoples assumption. I do this all the time as town.
I don't believe that him disagreeing with your case but still willing to lynch Sentinel is alignment indicative. He can think your cause is bad while still wanting to lynch a lurker. Again, I do this all the time as town.
I think we should consider the reality of the thread. Town is very disorganized at this point. So Mafia don't really need to do anything. At this point, I would expect Mafia to just stay on the background just to see town destroying themselves. That means they won't make any commitments, they will not push anything, they will at most sheep people. In that sense, I find LS's sheep on me much more suspicious. When I dropped the push, he kept thinking you're scum. But he was sheeping me, so... ?
Trfel is the other one who isn't having strong stances at all. Why not?
Holyflare, especially in a game with two Mafia, I believe they will play a very safe game. That's not what Kelsier was doing.
I wasn't exactly sheeping you I had the same reaction as you and you voting him I thought we could push him? I still thought he was scum until his first post on his return on DMA.
So Trfel why aren't you voting KSC if you think he's actually scum????? I know you don't like early voting but you seemed to be convinced he is scum????
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
I agree with your points of how to analyze people as being Mafia. However, I don't believe Mafia, especially Kelsier, would play like this. I also believe his posts could come from a townie perspective.
I don't believe he was discrediting, I believe he was fleshing out opinions on what he thinks about peoples assumption. I do this all the time as town.
I don't believe that him disagreeing with your case but still willing to lynch Sentinel is alignment indicative. He can think your cause is bad while still wanting to lynch a lurker. Again, I do this all the time as town.
I think we should consider the reality of the thread. Town is very disorganized at this point. So Mafia don't really need to do anything. At this point, I would expect Mafia to just stay on the background just to see town destroying themselves. That means they won't make any commitments, they will not push anything, they will at most sheep people. In that sense, I find LS's sheep on me much more suspicious. When I dropped the push, he kept thinking you're scum. But he was sheeping me, so... ?
Trfel is the other one who isn't having strong stances at all. Why not?
Holyflare, especially in a game with two Mafia, I believe they will play a very safe game. That's not what Kelsier was doing.
I wasn't exactly sheeping you I had the same reaction as you and you voting him I thought we could push him? I still thought he was scum until his first post on his return on DMA.
My mind tells me this is bs My heart wants to believe
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
On March 27 2020 13:27 Rels wrote: on this part TBH I don't understand you or GB. I don't see how him not voting early makes him scummy.
I didn't say it did necessarily but why even have hesitance? It's not like your vote can't move once you have placed it and an added vote count creates pressure to the intended person you are voting, otherwise what's the pressure at all?
If he agrees with my case, had further points to add to it about Kelsier's stance on LS then it's kind of strange suddenly to NOT be certain about where to place your vote and to be suddenly "conflicted" that Palmar, his other new scum read, is also voting Kelsier?
It's just a line of text in a vote thread, what's the big deal about not being sure? It creates pressure and shows your INTENTION throughout the game to give players more information about where your head was at at any given time.
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
Could you not please?
Could I not use meta is what you asking? If so nope I am the meta king after all
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote: I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC?
How do you feel about this?
I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it.
Why would you want to?
He got mad when I called him mafia and felt it was random, yet until that point in the game he had done nothing except vote for Blazinhand? Feels oversensitive.
His first two posts in the game were both excuses even when bunch of people weren't even in the thread. He was telling us how he was totally not just afk, just doing something else.
He made some weird association between me and holyflare.
He has done very, very minimal amount of work for town.
I seen townies be oversensitive on stuff (I done this in the past as town myself) his first 2 posts maybe he was actually busy at that point of time? He didn't do much of an association that you and HF being scum together per say but he thought either you or HF were scum based on this post:
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.
Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
Well I did make that statement before but I forgot to who. That either Palmar or HF are scum. Also yes, I'm home from here on out, but I'm still busy with work, trying to respond whenever I can
At least he trying to do stuff to help solve the game?
On March 28 2020 00:36 LightningStrike wrote: I know you aren't scum reading HF due to unflipped association I just wanted to know if you thought it was possible.
Yes, it's very possible
Meant to put "that's all" at the end of my post >.<
On March 28 2020 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: If I'm wrong I'll get out of the quarantine directly to the hospital, will rip someone's mask off and have them coughing on my face until I get covid
I wouldn't suggest you do that regardless of your alignment and for your safety >.< Well lecture is about to start and it should last until 11:50 am CST so bbl for a bit!
On March 28 2020 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: If I'm wrong I'll get out of the quarantine directly to the hospital, will rip someone's mask off and have them coughing on my face until I get covid
I wouldn't suggest you do that regardless of your alignment and for your safety >.< Well lecture is about to start and it should last until 11:50 am CST so bbl for a bit!
Alright, I'll just punch a bear in the face. With boxing gloves. Naked.
But VOTE HOLYFLARE
I wouldn't suggest that either regardless of your alignment >.<
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
On March 28 2020 02:03 LightningStrike wrote: As for HF being scum: DMA said he was town earlier.
DMA?
Dick Move Analysis like he would be to much of a dick to not be town for that action.
do you think HF can't be a jerk as scum?
I doubt that he can do this post as scum:
On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
When I am scum even in my best scum game I couldn't be able to do that type of post myself but then again I not really a good scum player so what do I know (shrugs)
On March 28 2020 02:03 LightningStrike wrote: As for HF being scum: DMA said he was town earlier.
DMA?
Dick Move Analysis like he would be to much of a dick to not be town for that action.
do you think HF can't be a jerk as scum?
I doubt that he can do this post as scum:
On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote: [quote]
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
On March 28 2020 02:53 LightningStrike wrote: btw Trfel Palmar was scum in that game you just got that quote from just FYI.
Doesn't matter Palmar's alignment in that game, what matters is Blazinghand's alignment (town). It's the Blazinghand posts we're looking at. Proves the Palmar Day 1 meta thing.
oh I see your point now and ya I remember Palmar in the past always said he at his best at Day 1 as town but I had seen lackluster games from him as town Day 1 as well.
On March 28 2020 03:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Welp HF you and your shitty case did it.
more like I thought Trfel was going to flip town and decided to save him...
And then voted for the next towniest player? Ehhhhh....
We would of needed to get to 4 votes onto another player that wasn't KSC or Trfel at deadline to not lynch any of them.
Since I was in that position of being able to vote either or, I think HF was the next best target, not Trfel, we had enough players here to switch to HF.
would of been me and you which would of left him with 3 votes with Trfel being the lynch instead at Deadline due to vote ties.
On March 28 2020 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB was here and he definitely wanted to vote HF. Trfel could of also possibly voted HF. That would of been HF lynched instead.
I don't think Trfel thought HF was scum over KSC? You are right he could of possibly voted HF and if he did I would of tried to risk it at that point myself.
On March 28 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote: Gratz GB you voted with your scumread you are shitting up the thread for. I'm honestly not even reading anything you write about HF since you started this stuff. It's just dumb or fake. Why the flying fuck would you shit up the thread like this and then vote with him???
At least HF has the right idea not to pay attention to it.
On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
How did I waste my vote? I don't think I did.
I think by voting a town to get lynch is a waste of a vote and vote cycle.
Because there were 2 main wagons and noone was willing to lynch Palmar at EoD and VCA would be a bit harder.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had of laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them.
Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff?
He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking.
I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet.
On March 28 2020 12:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course, town died day 1. Makes the game so much harder for us, and easier for them.
Do you think Trfel is town based on his play and EoD stuff?
He mostly questioned me which I answered hopefully all the questions. He did seem interested in the way I was thinking and why I was thinking.
I don't however think it makes him town just yet. He was still in the same boat with one of the other people I think are mafia. It makes it rough to see his alignments just yet because he did make a play on Palmar who's my next guest as mafia. And if Trfel is mafia, he would try and play the Palmar card to try and get another target lynched. I'm still holding back on whether to call him town or mafia yet.
Noted.
What are your thoughts on Vivax recent posts? and HF recent post about how GB caused the death of KSC?
Vivax's latest posts were a bit weird honestly can easily he wasn't reading the thread. The reason GB swap to KSC from HF was because he thought Trfel was town EoD like I did even if it meant he was voting with his scumread and yes I know he called KSC town too like I did as well.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
On March 28 2020 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: I will explain myself but I won't defend myself. There are reasons why I wouldn't do this as Mafia but you'll have to figure it out by yourselves.
I thought Trfel's post near deadline was town, I believed him being upset about always being lynched Day1 was genuine, I saw effort that I didn't believe he would do as Mafia, and I have a vague memory of him not taking strong stances before.
My top scum read also didn't care for having Trfel lynched, so he basically doesn't care for the lynch. Which would probably make both wagons town.
I switched because I saw posts from Trfel that looked townie and the only other possible wagon was Kelsier's. It was impulsive and thinking about it now, it was bad.
No need to defend yourself I think you are town just a very bad EoD for us though.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
[/red][/red] Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating.
Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
[/red][/red] Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game.
On March 29 2020 01:30 Palmar wrote: I haven't reevaluated anything really, but I stand by my reads.
I moved away from KSC because he didn't really sound like mafia, it was just a policy lynch.
So why didn't you try to yell at people to lynch shockeyy at EoD if you really thought shockeyy was scum?
I told people to lynch him and gave reasons.
I also wasn't here at the deadline or anywhere near it really.
I knew you gave the reasons to lynch Shcokeyy although I don't think he's scum but I guess I can believe you just weren't there for EoD. EoN is 20 minutes from now.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating.
Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game.
Don't be sorry, I've just used it as an example of how this thing keeps repeating here. I've switched off of Holyflare because we didn't have enough people convinced to lynch him.
We have at least 1 townie wasting vote, so town just needs to step up and be organize. It's hard to do when town isn't playing
True about at least 1 townie is wasting their vote and town needs to step up and be organized but tow isn't playing like you said. the votes I saw was 3-3-3 with trfel being lynched so I had to switch KSC myself otherwise I would of prefered a HF EoD lynch there honestly.
And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
It could be anything
They could've thought he was the parity cop
He could be right on Sentinel
Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people alive
Assuming Trfel flips town based on his EoD stuff Rels is the only one not flipped that was on the Trfel wagon and could tell us what type of wagon it was on Trfel. Maybe 1 mafia on the KSC wagon and 1 out of Chez, Palmar, and Shockeyy based on VCA?
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
I don't think HF is mod confirmed town? Lynching lurkers in a game full of lurkers seems lol worthy?
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
I don't think HF is mod confirmed town? Lynching lurkers in a game full of lurkers seems lol worthy?
Do you believe Holyflare really got corona but decided, as Mafia, to fake this emotional reaction and ask to get out of the game?
I really do think he got corona but I didn't think he was modconfirmed though but he's more likely to be town due to his emotional reaction at the start of the day.
On March 28 2020 02:27 Trfel wrote: I'm so sick of getting killed Day 1 for nonsense, garbage reasons, it happened the last two games.
Yet again, no one has responded to the actual thoughts I've been sharing, people are picking on meaningless semantics.
And there's a ridiculously scummy person (KelsierSC) who definitely deserves to be killed but no one cares. He "redeemed himself" with a single post that contained actual thinking:
Not a huge amount to write about him that hasn't been said. I think agreeing with HF isn't scummy it's a lot of writing with quotes and everything. The part I don't like is how he throws on some additional fire that actually says nothing about my alignment. feels like this is added on so it doesn't look like a blatant sheep
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I think his palmar case is ok but I don't recall Palmar being good on D1 but his point about it not being a weekend has merit and palmar's lack of direction is a fair comment. I do like his comment about palmar being an unlikely D1 lynch so vote me instead, that's a pretty town mindset.
Finally he made some non commital stuff about sentinel , scum lean but holding back.
I think trefl is good enough for a D1 pass.
I was never non-comittal about [UoN]Sentinel, I never said he was a scum lean. I never said I was holding back. I said I wanted to wait for more information and see how his play evolved, which made sense given the circumstance.
In this post KelsierSC even says that my two main pushes/scumreads, comprising the majority of my play this game, are both ok. Yet he still thinks I'm mafia. He's picking on semantics, making up reasons, and has absolutely NOT redeemed his earlier play.
and this post:
On March 28 2020 02:51 Trfel wrote: Furthermore, there ABSOLUTELY IS truth to the Palmar Day 1 thing. And the fact that he has refused to acknowledge it practically makes him mafia. Maybe the meta isn't completely accurate, especially if no one here has heard of it, but at least the perception of this meta has definitely existed.
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
hahaha that's fuckin choice there's some next level shit going on here, pretty heroic
On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote: ##vote Sandroba
I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.
so are you like 3p lyncher and you win if sandro dies or what
On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote: There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now?
Palmar deffo town just based on this btw
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
On May 13 2015 02:12 Palmar wrote: I'm off guys for a while and I think I'm also out of posts.
I'm okay with my vote where it is. I don't think sandroba would dismiss my stuff as trolling if he was town. I'm waffling a bit because people keep telling me he's not mafia and marv seems to actually be willing to sort of go out on a limb to defend him which I'm not sure marv would do as a scumbuddy. But the points against him stand.
oh yeah in addition to sandro i'm still fine with JAT lynch but I'm too laz to write a case and I think Palmar's star power plus sandro acting weird should be on its own enough to get sandro lynched. i'll check back in a few hours, say my name in your post and i'll read it if your got questions for me
On May 13 2015 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Eh, I get it, Vivax is being uncaring or whatever, and he actually is a really amazing player as town. I can't really give a good argument in his defense, but I still think the right move here is to follow Palmar, who has god tier D1 reads
I felt his anger was real especially from the last post I quoted and so did GB.
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...
I just don't understand this.
On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: :pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.
And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?
Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.
Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
If I'm understanding you correctly, wouldn't this then also apply if KelsierSC was town (like he is)? Why does KelsierSC have to be mafia for this suspicion of Palmar to be true?
I never claimed KSC was mafia? I never thought he was.
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
This post has the following logic:
IF KelsierSC is TOWN -> no conclusion IF KelsierSC is MAFIA -> Holyflare is town, Palmar is scummier
On March 28 2020 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh boy if KSC is town this game is going to get really interesting. I'll also feel bad cause I tried to save him.
If he's mafia, then well, I think it'll just prove HF is town, while Palmar definitely becomes scummier...
Why is Palmar's alignment related to KelsierSC's in this way? If KelsierSC was mafia, Palmar voted for him very early, and then switched to an off wagon...
I just don't understand this.
On March 28 2020 03:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: :pop:
And this, I hate whenever people show up right AFTER the deadline instead of helping before.
And @Holyflare, what vindicating qualities does Palmar have now?
Gonna take some time to rethink, I'll probably be around sporadically for the rest of the day.
Because it's the easiest play a scum player can make.... Vote for the first case to seem active, then vote for who you can try and frame as the scummiest player. It's literal mafia logic.
Which I can buy. However the logic here doesn't depend on anyone else's alignment at all.
Does anyone else see this? Unless I'm missing something or there is some explanation, ShoCkeyy shows a complete failure in logic here. Also note that he only has Palmar being scummier on the (If KelsierSC is Mafia) option, which isn't even what he thought! I don't understand how town could actually think this way.
Going for a walk now but I'll definitely take a closer look at ShoCkeyy.
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
@LightningStrike, if we're going to argue meta and all that...
In Mafia for Busy People, Palmar was lynched Day 1, on a weekend. It's well known Palmar doesn't play on weekends. While Palmar didn't do anything in the linked game, he didn't start this game on a weekend, so there is no excuse.
In Mafia Mafia Mafia, again this is quite a different case, as Palmar was apparently in Portugal and didn't realize the game started until there were about 8 hours left in Day 1. Obviously not relevant to this situation. But I'll humor you. Read Palmar's filter from that game, and he gets right to the point in trying to figure out who he wants to vote for. He acknowledges the current cases and chooses his vote. Of course he has no thread presence (since he didn't read any of the game) so he had to play with that, but I still see more investment from Palmar in that game than in the current game.
I do know that Palmar doesn't like playing on the weekend hell if he plays a lot during the weekend it actually makes him scum lol >.< Well your argument he didn't do much in this game which was why I picked that game despite it being on the weekend for that purpose. Regarding the 2nd game: Yes I knoww he stated that he didn't know know the game started and had to sheep (again your argument he didn't do much this game which was also despite him doing a late start was why I picked this game as well). Palmar is actually investing in this game now a bit granted it wasn't spectacular stuff he had during the weekend and Day 1 but he started to pick up pieces now.
I so remembered that game because I was very pissed off at Day 1 because I thought everyone was being brickwalls and thought Tina was mafia on that since we normally would work well together >.< I also had the funniest moment from that game:
On March 08 2019 02:33 LightningStrike wrote: Just a funny thought but what there is a mafia traitor even though it not listed in the op?
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
@LightningStrike, if we're going to argue meta and all that...
In Mafia for Busy People, Palmar was lynched Day 1, on a weekend. It's well known Palmar doesn't play on weekends. While Palmar didn't do anything in the linked game, he didn't start this game on a weekend, so there is no excuse.
In Mafia Mafia Mafia, again this is quite a different case, as Palmar was apparently in Portugal and didn't realize the game started until there were about 8 hours left in Day 1. Obviously not relevant to this situation. But I'll humor you. Read Palmar's filter from that game, and he gets right to the point in trying to figure out who he wants to vote for. He acknowledges the current cases and chooses his vote. Of course he has no thread presence (since he didn't read any of the game) so he had to play with that, but I still see more investment from Palmar in that game than in the current game.
I do know that Palmar doesn't like playing on the weekend hell if he plays a lot during the weekend it actually makes him scum lol
On March 31 2020 02:30 LightningStrike wrote: Rels there was 2 votes on GB before he voted him I think that would answer that question even though I not Sentinel?
sure but votes are not everything. No way GB is lynched over Trfel right now
All confirmed flips plus my own alignment here. Assuming Trfel is town last mafia is either one of the solo voters or on the KSC wagon which would be odd given that Sentinel flipped scum so they would put all their eggs in the basket on KSC's lynch.
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
Can you point a direction?
I'll write a close to deadline post talking about it, don't worry
BlaIzingHand's logic of "He doing townie things therefore he's scum" logic:
On April 23 2012 04:24 BlazingJitsu wrote: By far Marv's best and most useful post, almost certainly made in response to my renewed vigour in my case against him. As you can see, he's only willing to post just above whatever bar I set for him in order to appear townie when he is in fact scum.
But for real check either Rels or one of the solo voters left for the last mafia only because Rels isn't flipped so we don't know if the Trfel wagon is pure town or the last mafia is in the solo voters given we had a bad Day 1.
Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my exam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
LS, when did you realize that Sentinel was the rolecopped? Was when he flipped, or was it when someone in the thread said it?
You mean when did I realized that shockeyy was rolecopped? Shockeyy died there was no indication that people wouldn't lynch him and was openish to him being lynched.
On April 01 2020 03:24 LightningStrike wrote: That is the only reason shockeyy would die there is unless he didn't get rolecopped mafia was trying to do the most WIFOM Night Kills this game.
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
LS, when did you realize that Sentinel was the rolecopped? Was when he flipped, or was it when someone in the thread said it?
You mean when did I realized that shockeyy was rolecopped? Shockeyy died there was no indication that people wouldn't lynch him and was openish to him being lynched.
No, I meant, when did you realize Sentinel was the rolecop? Imeddiately with the night post, or when someone pointed it out?
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
LS, when did you realize that Sentinel was the rolecopped? Was when he flipped, or was it when someone in the thread said it?
You mean when did I realized that shockeyy was rolecopped? Shockeyy died there was no indication that people wouldn't lynch him and was openish to him being lynched.
No, I meant, when did you realize Sentinel was the rolecop? Imeddiately with the night post, or when someone pointed it out?
On April 01 2020 03:40 Trfel wrote: As for finding who is actually mafia... that's harder. I still find Palmar quite suspicious but I haven't been able to re-evaluate since [UoN]Sentinel flipped. I haven't looked much at LightningStrike, Rels, or Chezinu this game, they feel kinda like town but I don't really know why. I need to re-evaluate them as well. Still have so much trouble reading LightningStrike and Chezinu.
GlowingBear is a tougher case. His posts and pushes have been all over the place. Generally the player with the most posts is town, and that would be GlowingBear here I believe. But two strong town players thought GlowingBear was mafia (Vivax and Holyflare), it's at least worth consideration. His play feels really erratic this game and that confuses me so I need to read him again for sure.
I really thought the cop would help us solve the game
My alignment is pretty obvious if you read my filter
On April 01 2020 10:33 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, this next question could make me take my vote off of you and switch to Rels. Please answer it very careful and in it's entirety.
Which country are you from?
I have a hard time believing you...
But I'm from the United States of America.
What am I missing?
It seems that the game is quickly eliminating Europeans and I might kill Rels on the ground that he's French
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
On April 02 2020 10:31 LightningStrike wrote: GB I did read it but I not exactly convinced about it per say but he reading the thread better than trfel is lol....
Care to explain? I've been present and reading this entire game. Or are you just here to take potshots for no reason?
The fact you missed Rels post about his read on Palmar showed you weren't really reading the game in my opinion. I wasn't taking potshots I was just stating things.
On April 02 2020 16:33 Trfel wrote: Took a quick look at LightningStrike's filter. I never know how to read him but since he's in the game I have to try...
I don't like how LightningStrike says he was suspicious of Holyflare right after Holyflare posted his case on KelsierSC but then only said anything and voted for Holyflare after GlowingBear did. It feels like he was too scared to say anything on his own. I could see this coming from town, Holyflare can be quite intimidating, but I still find it suspect.
While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently.
Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely:
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
On March 26 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote: Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent
This is a fine vote as well.
Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned.
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now.
Thoughts?
I wasn't digging Palmar's play for the same reason myself but idk if he is town or scum though because of it.
Similar thing here. Slightly suspicious of someone but not sure if they are town or mafia. It's about as noncommittal as you can be.
On March 28 2020 02:03 LightningStrike wrote: As for HF being scum: DMA said he was town earlier.
DMA?
Dick Move Analysis like he would be to much of a dick to not be town for that action.
do you think HF can't be a jerk as scum?
I doubt that he can do this post as scum:
On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote: [quote] why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
I agree. LS I think that's a bad argument
Guess that makes me bad then
This too. LightningStrike was townreading Holyflare for DMA, two people told him it was bad, and suddenly he was even potentially looking for a mass vote switch to Holyflare at the deadline:
On March 28 2020 02:26 LightningStrike wrote: Chez you need to note waste your vote and same with you Palmar...... We might have shannies on HF if we can just get up to 4 votes on HF.
I don't know what I think about this. It feels so bleh and opportunistic, but at the same time, knowing all of the options were town, I see no mafia motivation in it. Mafia!LightningStrike should be content to leave the lynch wherever it goes and not care if people waste their vote. The care at the end of Day 1, including switching votes his little mafia motivation (the only motivation I can see is that he was expecting the once-again-playing KelsierSC to redeem himself and me to continue to be suspected, he would want to keep me alive to save me as a mislynch for the future).
Same thing with suddenly suspecting Vivax Night 1. Feels like he's just going along with everyone else, even though Vivax was one of his top townreads earlier. What changed?Anyway, some questions for LightningStrike:
On March 26 2020 05:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ok done with lecture I liking Rels so far and idk if GB is serious about his push on Rels at all. Vivax is town as well we had the same thought about the Chez stuff at the start of it. Wish HF and Sent would post more and have everyone else enter
LightningStrike, why does this make Vivax town? All he said was that Chezinu didn't soft claim mafia. Literally anyone other than GlowingBear would have told you that. Maybe GlowingBear was joking too.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
What parts of GlowingBear's attitude did you think make him town here?
Why did you start thinking Vivax was mafia Night 1? What changed?
LightningStrike, what do you think currently of Rels and Palmar?
Vivax and I had the same thought process which makes it likely they we were in the same alignment. I only suspected him Night 1 because of this post: QUOTE]On March 28 2020 04:24 Vivax wrote: Good doggo and crazy doggo make for a likely mafia combination at this point. Crazy doggo just stirred unrest when good doggo was in danger, exposing himself with a nonsensical vote.
Time to afk for one and a half cycles until townies switch to a crappy lynch for no reason again.
Keep it simple and we win. Chez had the right idea but wasted his vote. W/e. Palmar and Shockey also doing the equivalent of not playing.[/QUOTE] He clearly wasn't reading the thread at the time and I normally associate that with Mafia!Vivax as he doesn't read the thread much as Mafia. Gb's carefree attitude was why I was townreading him he never really that carefree as Mafia. Palmar looks better for that Sentinel flip especially given this post from Sentinel:
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to say
Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum
##Vote: GlowingBear
Unless you think Sentinel was going for a softbus I think it clears Palmar. Rels always look townie but then I start remember why I lose to him all the time when he's mafia >.< I do think his play is fine just was asking people their case on Rels since people were voting him and wanted to see if it actually makes him mafia. Townlean atm.
On April 02 2020 16:33 Trfel wrote: Took a quick look at LightningStrike's filter. I never know how to read him but since he's in the game I have to try...
I don't like how LightningStrike says he was suspicious of Holyflare right after Holyflare posted his case on KelsierSC but then only said anything and voted for Holyflare after GlowingBear did. It feels like he was too scared to say anything on his own. I could see this coming from town, Holyflare can be quite intimidating, but I still find it suspect.
On March 27 2020 09:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote: Palmar
While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently.
Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely:
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
On March 26 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote: Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent
This is a fine vote as well.
Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned.
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now.
Thoughts?
I wasn't digging Palmar's play for the same reason myself but idk if he is town or scum though because of it.
Similar thing here. Slightly suspicious of someone but not sure if they are town or mafia. It's about as noncommittal as you can be.
On March 28 2020 02:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:18 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:11 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:03 LightningStrike wrote: As for HF being scum: DMA said he was town earlier.
DMA?
Dick Move Analysis like he would be to much of a dick to not be town for that action.
do you think HF can't be a jerk as scum?
I doubt that he can do this post as scum:
On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote: [quote]
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote: [quote]Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote: [quote] [quote]
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
[quote] [quote]
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
[quote]
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
[quote]
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
[quote]
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
[quote]
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote: [quote] is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
I agree. LS I think that's a bad argument
Guess that makes me bad then
This too. LightningStrike was townreading Holyflare for DMA, two people told him it was bad, and suddenly he was even potentially looking for a mass vote switch to Holyflare at the deadline:
On March 28 2020 02:26 LightningStrike wrote: Chez you need to note waste your vote and same with you Palmar...... We might have shannies on HF if we can just get up to 4 votes on HF.
I don't know what I think about this. It feels so bleh and opportunistic, but at the same time, knowing all of the options were town, I see no mafia motivation in it. Mafia!LightningStrike should be content to leave the lynch wherever it goes and not care if people waste their vote. The care at the end of Day 1, including switching votes his little mafia motivation (the only motivation I can see is that he was expecting the once-again-playing KelsierSC to redeem himself and me to continue to be suspected, he would want to keep me alive to save me as a mislynch for the future).
Same thing with suddenly suspecting Vivax Night 1. Feels like he's just going along with everyone else, even though Vivax was one of his top townreads earlier. What changed?Anyway, some questions for LightningStrike:
On March 26 2020 05:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ok done with lecture I liking Rels so far and idk if GB is serious about his push on Rels at all. Vivax is town as well we had the same thought about the Chez stuff at the start of it. Wish HF and Sent would post more and have everyone else enter
LightningStrike, why does this make Vivax town? All he said was that Chezinu didn't soft claim mafia. Literally anyone other than GlowingBear would have told you that. Maybe GlowingBear was joking too.
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
What parts of GlowingBear's attitude did you think make him town here?
Why did you start thinking Vivax was mafia Night 1? What changed?
LightningStrike, what do you think currently of Rels and Palmar?
Vivax and I had the same thought process which makes it likely they we were in the same alignment. I only suspected him Night 1 because of this post:
On March 28 2020 04:24 Vivax wrote: Good doggo and crazy doggo make for a likely mafia combination at this point. Crazy doggo just stirred unrest when good doggo was in danger, exposing himself with a nonsensical vote.
Time to afk for one and a half cycles until townies switch to a crappy lynch for no reason again.
Keep it simple and we win. Chez had the right idea but wasted his vote. W/e. Palmar and Shockey also doing the equivalent of not playing.
He clearly wasn't reading the thread at the time and I normally associate that with Mafia!Vivax as he doesn't read the thread much as Mafia. Gb's carefree attitude was why I was townreading him he never really that carefree as Mafia. Palmar looks better for that Sentinel flip especially given this post from Sentinel:
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to say
Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum
##Vote: GlowingBear
Unless you think Sentinel was going for a softbus I think it clears Palmar. Rels always look townie but then I start remember why I lose to him all the time when he's mafia >.< I do think his play is fine just was asking people their case on Rels since people were voting him and wanted to see if it actually makes him mafia. Townlean atm.
I am kinda sad you forgot how to read me Trfel I still kept some of my known traits after Cell that are my town tells and Rels pointed it out in another game although you didn't play
On April 02 2020 16:33 Trfel wrote: Took a quick look at LightningStrike's filter. I never know how to read him but since he's in the game I have to try...
I don't like how LightningStrike says he was suspicious of Holyflare right after Holyflare posted his case on KelsierSC but then only said anything and voted for Holyflare after GlowingBear did. It feels like he was too scared to say anything on his own. I could see this coming from town, Holyflare can be quite intimidating, but I still find it suspect.
On March 27 2020 09:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 09:54 Trfel wrote: Palmar
While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently.
Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely:
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
On March 26 2020 22:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote: Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
##Vote: Sent
This is a fine vote as well.
Honestly I'd kill any of the 4 I mentioned.
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now.
Thoughts?
I wasn't digging Palmar's play for the same reason myself but idk if he is town or scum though because of it.
Similar thing here. Slightly suspicious of someone but not sure if they are town or mafia. It's about as noncommittal as you can be.
On March 28 2020 02:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:18 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:11 Rels wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 28 2020 02:05 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
DMA?
Dick Move Analysis like he would be to much of a dick to not be town for that action.
do you think HF can't be a jerk as scum?
I doubt that he can do this post as scum:
On March 27 2020 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote: [quote] [quote]
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
[quote] [quote]
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
[quote]
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
[quote]
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
[quote]
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
[quote]
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
[quote]
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
[quote]
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
[quote]
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
[quote]
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
[quote]
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
I agree. LS I think that's a bad argument
Guess that makes me bad then
This too. LightningStrike was townreading Holyflare for DMA, two people told him it was bad, and suddenly he was even potentially looking for a mass vote switch to Holyflare at the deadline:
On March 28 2020 02:26 LightningStrike wrote: Chez you need to note waste your vote and same with you Palmar...... We might have shannies on HF if we can just get up to 4 votes on HF.
I don't know what I think about this. It feels so bleh and opportunistic, but at the same time, knowing all of the options were town, I see no mafia motivation in it. Mafia!LightningStrike should be content to leave the lynch wherever it goes and not care if people waste their vote. The care at the end of Day 1, including switching votes his little mafia motivation (the only motivation I can see is that he was expecting the once-again-playing KelsierSC to redeem himself and me to continue to be suspected, he would want to keep me alive to save me as a mislynch for the future).
Same thing with suddenly suspecting Vivax Night 1. Feels like he's just going along with everyone else, even though Vivax was one of his top townreads earlier. What changed?Anyway, some questions for LightningStrike:
On March 26 2020 05:48 LightningStrike wrote: Ok done with lecture I liking Rels so far and idk if GB is serious about his push on Rels at all. Vivax is town as well we had the same thought about the Chez stuff at the start of it. Wish HF and Sent would post more and have everyone else enter
LightningStrike, why does this make Vivax town? All he said was that Chezinu didn't soft claim mafia. Literally anyone other than GlowingBear would have told you that. Maybe GlowingBear was joking too.
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
What parts of GlowingBear's attitude did you think make him town here?
Why did you start thinking Vivax was mafia Night 1? What changed?
LightningStrike, what do you think currently of Rels and Palmar?
Vivax and I had the same thought process which makes it likely they we were in the same alignment. I only suspected him Night 1 because of this post:
On March 28 2020 04:24 Vivax wrote: Good doggo and crazy doggo make for a likely mafia combination at this point. Crazy doggo just stirred unrest when good doggo was in danger, exposing himself with a nonsensical vote.
Time to afk for one and a half cycles until townies switch to a crappy lynch for no reason again.
Keep it simple and we win. Chez had the right idea but wasted his vote. W/e. Palmar and Shockey also doing the equivalent of not playing.
He clearly wasn't reading the thread at the time and I normally associate that with Mafia!Vivax as he doesn't read the thread much as Mafia. Gb's carefree attitude was why I was townreading him he never really that carefree as Mafia. Palmar looks better for that Sentinel flip especially given this post from Sentinel:
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to say
Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum
##Vote: GlowingBear
Unless you think Sentinel was going for a softbus I think it clears Palmar. Rels always look townie but then I start remember why I lose to him all the time when he's mafia >.< I do think his play is fine just was asking people their case on Rels since people were voting him and wanted to see if it actually makes him mafia. Townlean atm.
If you wondering what exact reasons it's a townlean I don'think he would put the hammer vote on his scummate like that Day 2 when GB had a chance of being lynched Day 2.
On April 02 2020 22:31 Trfel wrote: Again, [UoN]Sentinel knew he was going to die when he was making those last few posts. So his reads are designed to confuse town after he died, they are WIFOM. You can't get anything from them because he's just trying to trick you. If [UoN]Sentinel pushed Palmar sooner I might understand what you are saying but that didn't happen.
Did you see my post towards the bottom of last page on why Rels would vote for [UoN]Sentinel there as mafia?
I did but GB was legit close to being lynched before Rels and I getting on the Sentinel wagon. Had you got on the GB wagon during that time GB could of gotten lynched thus making it a bad situation to bus right then and there especially if Sentinel was lynched this Day phase instead..
Like Rels would have to be very stupid to do that as the last scum for something would only get some credit in a very bad situation. It isn't really worth it for him to bus there.
On April 03 2020 00:56 Palmar wrote: I've never noticed but Trfel seems to type out the full name of every player at all times. He'll always talk about Holyflare, GlowingBear and [UoN]Sentinel instead of just using HF, GB, Sent etc.
That's a really strange habit.
I do not trust robots.
Another good point in my case.
lol I like this because it's easy to prove/disprove if he did it before as town
Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right now. ##Vote: Trfel
On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right now. ##Vote: Trfel
am I?
The fact you decided look at Trfel meta is something not many people will do even if prompted.
On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right no'w.
Sure, if you just literally ignore all of the posts I've been making? Why is a stupidly easy meta check the only "serious work," ignoring all of my cases and analyses?
But it's considered serious work when not everyone would do that as scum and just make up bullshit reasoning. Here he decided to check out that game and actually found something disproved Palmar's point on you.
On April 03 2020 02:21 LightningStrike wrote: But it's considered serious work when not everyone would do that as scum and just make up bullshit reasoning. Here he decided to check out that game and actually found something disproved Palmar's point on you.
Does my work not count as serious?!
You are doing serious work right now. Very undecided right now >.<
On April 03 2020 01:26 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh I'll put my vote on Trfel I think he'll flip scum more often than Rels and Palmar atm especially given Rels doing serious work right no'w.
Sure, if you just literally ignore all of the posts I've been making? Why is a stupidly easy meta check the only "serious work," ignoring all of my cases and analyses?
this I agree, it wasn't a good point to me being town
Might not be a good point to you being town but I don't think you did that when we were scum together?
On April 03 2020 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: I just remembered now: Rels we are 7/9 as the same alignment :o
really? That's pretty lucky :p
Yes really it's in the database.
I can think of 3 though I think? - The millionaire game where you were scum and got DF and I to hard townread you and fight each other to the death - The game where I was scum with HF and I pushed you hard at some point - The end of the world where I was scum mason and I buddied you in the QT
Those were times weren't the same alignment. we are 7/9 as the same alignment.
EPT
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