On March 23 2020 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was at their wedding so dont underestimate the power of TL Mafia for finding a partner or actual friends.
I wish I was there. I remember chatting with them via Skype. I felt so happy to know they were engaged. I miss them
On March 24 2020 18:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Does Wednesday, Mar 25 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) work for everyone or is that too early in the morning for the EU people? Could do Tuesday, Mar 24 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) or if we wait another day I can do it earlier in the day
It will be 2 AM here. It would be better if we do it earlier, IMO. 1 hour earlier would be great.
We makes it! I met this wonderful being in my dreams last night. He is the ray of my mind. That is what I shall call him. Ray! For he is like the sunshine in this dark mind of mine. He told me that he was going to be busy at work. He said he would talk to me tonight.
But what are these other voices I hear? I think we are not alone anymore! To told you I! It was For then and not for ever! Let me go at once to speak to these others. Then I can tell Ray tonight what You, Me, and I talked about! Oh Ray... the sunshine of my mind. Perhaps, I shouldn't let other know about Ray... Let's keep it a secret for now. Some may be jealous that I have this being in my mind. I'm sure there is one other out there that would want Ray's mind all to themselves...
We makes it! I met this wonderful being in my dreams last night. He is the ray of my mind. That is what I shall call him. Ray! For he is like the sunshine in this dark mind of mine. He told me that he was going to be busy at work. He said he would talk to me tonight.
[B]But what are these other voices I hear? I think we are not alone anymore![b] To told you I! It was For then and not for ever! Let me go at once to speak to these others. Then I can tell Ray tonight what You, Me, and I talked about! Oh Ray... the sunshine of my mind. Perhaps, I shouldn't let other know about Ray... Let's keep it a secret for now. Some may be jealous that I have this being in my mind. I'm sure there is one other out there that would want Ray's mind all to themselves...
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Not necessarily how I'd put it, but wouldn't you rather direct your attention towards the actual game content? It can be excused because he wanted to make a joke, but that's also a noncommittal way of doing things.
Idk, I didn't even read the day post before reading what players wrote.
No, that doesn't make any sense.
The daypost tells us that none of the proposed setups are actually in the game. There are 2 scum, 1 blue, and 0 flavor.
Mad about the last one
It actually does make sense, but I don't believe it makes.you Mafia
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
LS LS is difficult to read but I have a feeling he is town, mostly because he seems interested in the game.
Palmar He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.
KelsierSC Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
Holyflare Builds a whole case focusing on Kelsier but is voting Sentinel. His case seems constructed. I don't see him actively trying to solve the whole game, attacking relevant posts. Way too focused on an easy lynch. Not really how I expect him to play as town.
Trfel Last post is veeeery very non-committal. Also, agrees with Holyflare on Sentinel but says he doesn't understand his case. Still not voting Sentinel.
Sentinel Lynching himself makes no sense as town.
I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.
Chezinu is unreadable.
Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too. @Vivax, what do you think of the other players?
I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town.
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
What do you think of Sentinel and Kelsier, LS? And Vivax?
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Hi Mr. Truffles!
Hi Mr. Chezinu! Have you determined anything about the floating teddy bear?
@GlowingBear, you seem to have severely misunderstood my post.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
The first paragraph, that you described as noncomittal, is actually the best point against KelsierSC that has been brought up by someone other than Holyflare. See the quotes in question:
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I believe this is actually very townie of Kelsier. He came to the thread, posted his impressions in a very objective manner. Having bad reads isn't alignment indicative, or it is, at least, town lean. I had the same impression Kelsier had with LS. The interaction feels natural.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Hi Mr. Truffles!
Hi Mr. Chezinu! Have you determined anything about the floating teddy bear?
The teddy floats!??!?
Let's tie a rope to him so he doesn't float away!!!
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Hi Mr. Truffles!
Hi Mr. Chezinu! Have you determined anything about the floating teddy bear?
@GlowingBear, you seem to have severely misunderstood my post.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
The first paragraph, that you described as noncomittal, is actually the best point against KelsierSC that has been brought up by someone other than Holyflare. See the quotes in question:
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
(emphasis mine)
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I believe this is actually very townie of Kelsier. He came to the thread, posted his impressions in a very objective manner. Having bad reads isn't alignment indicative, or it is, at least, town lean. I had the same impression Kelsier had with LS. The interaction feels natural.
Who would you vote for now?
If I were to vote currently I'd vote for KelsierSC, but I have some suspicions of Palmar I want to investigate further. But I'm going to play some Left for Dead 2 with a friend for a while. I tend to be more active in late evenings (US time).
What about the interaction made you feel like LightningStrike was town? I'm quite null on him currently. Like, what about it was towny?
As I said, he feels interested in solving the game and is reacting accordingly to the thread. His posts doesn't seem constructed. It's mostly a feeling, as reading LS is very difficult, but it feels townish to me.
On March 27 2020 04:40 GlowingBear wrote: Vivax, let's suppose Sentinel is confirmed town.
Who's mafia and why?
Trfel probably. His posts look a bit too much like he's trying to be a good doggo.
What about Holyflare? What do you think of him?
I think he's on the right wagon and tried to explain the why to the players like they're 5 and new to the game. Don't have any reason to think he's in the wrong camp atm.
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
On March 27 2020 04:55 GlowingBear wrote: Where's Damdred when you need him?
Same
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Help me here, LS. Please tell me what you think of all players.
You town like I stated I don't think you would be bale to do that kind of stuff as mafia. Vivax I think he's town still I had the same thoughts as him regarding the chez stuff early. KSC Town I just stated why. Sent is null I explained why as well in the same post as KSC. Rels I got a slight town read still on him just hoping he would do more stuff Palmar is null he needs to do more stuff and not just pure sheep. HF I agreed with your read there and think he's scum pushing mafia agenda. Shockeyy I got a slight town lean on him I liked some of his comments and had the same thoughts about Sent's self voting. Tfrel I thought was alright wouldn't lynch him today unless someone got a good case on him. I can't read Chez at all unless he does the one thing I know he does as town 100% I will just have to rely on someone who knows how to read him >.<
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Vivax is null to me, I can see him coming as either alignment. I don't like his tunnel and I think he is way to comfortable with HF, it's running me wrong. I also think Kelsier is town. Sent has been playing anti town for no reason at all. I'd rather see him down for now than anyone else, especially now that I realized HF is voting Kelsier. Rels needs to step up. Null atm Palmar seems to be having fun, not lunching him today. HF is way less scummy now that he is actually following his logic. I'm still not convinced, though. I'd lynch Trfel in a pinch. I dislike everything he has posted so far. Can't read Chez. He is voting me so this is getting exciting
Regarding HF I still think something was off when he decided to go for that push on KSC he acted like he thinks Sent is town when addressed that KSC should be 100% mafia to him?
I didn't understand your point.
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Hmm.
And who's probably mafia with him?
idk who his partner would be tbh. I don't think of possible teams this early anyways.
You don't have to make unflipepd association. We all know there are two mafia here. You've got one. Who would be the second one if you had to choose today?
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.
Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
On March 27 2020 03:56 GlowingBear wrote: Here's where I'm at:
LS LS is difficult to read but I have a feeling he is town, mostly because he seems interested in the game.
Palmar He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.
KelsierSC Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
Holyflare Builds a whole case focusing on Kelsier but is voting Sentinel. His case seems constructed. I don't see him actively trying to solve the whole game, attacking relevant posts. Way too focused on an easy lynch. Not really how I expect him to play as town.
Trfel Last post is veeeery very non-committal. Also, agrees with Holyflare on Sentinel but says he doesn't understand his case. Still not voting Sentinel.
Sentinel Lynching himself makes no sense as town.
I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.
Chezinu is unreadable.
Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too. @Vivax, what do you think of the other players?
I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town.
UPDATING:
Here's where I'm at:
[green]Palmar He seems relaxed and having fun. He is also pushing who he thinks is mafia. Passable play.
[green]KelsierSC Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
LS LS I said LS is difficult to read, and he is. But he only said that Holyflare rubbed him wrong after I decided to vote him, sheeping me. Then, when I realized I was wrong, he kept his vote on him for a flimsy reason. When I asked him who could be the second mafia, he promptly refused to contribute, saying that he tries not to build teams. Feeling under pressure, gets out of the thread saying he has a lecture (at 17:15 rofl). His list of reads is just nulls and towns, only Holyflare is mafia. I think he is taking every easy way out, as a mafia under pressure would do.
Trfel One of his posts was veeeery very non-committal. Says Kelsier is mafia but is not willing to vote him yet. Why?
Sentinel Lynching himself makes no sense as town. He's not playing the game. I'd rather have a scummy lurker lynched over anyone else. And he is fitting this cathegory.
Holyflare I still do not like Holyflare in this game. He seems uninterested and his posts seems constructed. Since my main reason to scumread him was wrong, I moved him to null to further investigate.
I'm not sure about Rels. Although I think he is not really taking strong stances, he is reacting accordingly to what is being posted on the thread. I wouldn't lynch him day1.
Chezinu is unreadable.
Vivax is tunneled on Sentinel on weak grounds. The only reason this is not a scum lean is because Vivax tends be like this as town too.
I find Shockey unreadable at this point. Last time I've played with him, he seemed mafia as hell. Turns out he was town. I still think like this.
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.
Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
Well I did make that statement before but I forgot to who. That either Palmar or HF are scum. Also yes, I'm home from here on out, but I'm still busy with work, trying to respond whenever I can
But I don't understand why would you think either one would be scum in that situation. Care to explain further?
His tone towards Sent in that post about why KSC should be 100% mafia for him felt very off to me and usually indicates someone is scum.
I actually do understand the logic behind it, but I don't agree with it. I don't believe this is the reason someone could think Holyflare is scum.
We can agree to disagree on that point.
We can
But knowing that holyflare is in fact voting kelsier doesn't make you feel less confident he is scum?
Only slighty if anything but I still there is a high chance he will flip scum.
Hmm.
And who's probably mafia with him?
idk who his partner would be tbh. I don't think of possible teams this early anyways.
You don't have to make unflipepd association. We all know there are two mafia here. You've got one. Who would be the second one if you had to choose today?
If I really have to stab now maybe Palmar? I don't think he normally sheeps this hard Day 1 as town.
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
Following your logic, if HF is scum, one between Trfel and Palmar is necessarily town. So agreeing with HF like they're doing isn't a scum trait. Therefore, irrelevant per se.
Sentinel is a veteran in mafia. I don't think he would panic like this. ESPECIALLY day 1 with only one vote on him. It doesn't make sense.
The bolded I had done plenty of times even when I became a veteran in mafia I don't think that necessary would make Sent scum.
He isn't playing. I have no reason to keep Sentinel in the game.
On March 27 2020 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: No, why start two wagons and then push/vote the one that seems most likely to get a wagon going? Like personally I understand the situation Sent is in, GB you've always thought my play style is anti town, but is it? I think when a townie panics like the one Sent is in, they tend to lean anti town.
I still prefer HF being scum here than Sent. Palmar and Trfel seem to agree with everything HF has to say which is odd from both of them.
If both Kelsier and Sentinel are town, you're 100% town for this post
On March 27 2020 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: And yes I really did have lecture for my bio chem lab and had to prepare for it 15 minutes in advance and only ended shortly before I posted.
I believe you had class, I don't believe you had to storm out.
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
---
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [quote] fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
When did you get this whiny?
Probably when people spent two pages arguing that I'm mafia because they couldn't read a vote thread instead of any actual mafia agenda for writing a giant wall of text and not voting for that person.
Or maybe when the two specific people you call out decide not to play and just make the game incredibly boring. Why should I waste my time arguing points with people when the only person that can reveal their alignment and progress the game doesn't even want to play?
My bad I didn't see your vote? I'm actually playing the game. You don't need to get this sensible just because I don't like your case and think Kelsier is town. I also reconsidered your alignment as soon as I saw your vote.
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
On March 27 2020 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Trfel not voting Kelsier is probably the most suspicious thing in the game. Agrees with my wall of text, piles on with more reasons and doesn't vote. I also agree with Palmar that Shockeyy looks more and more like mafia. At least his reaction to Palmar saying something looked pretty bad and not in line with what I'd expect from him.
I think the reasoning that there's mafia between Trfel/Palmar/HF from Shockeyy doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. He's saying that two people agree with the case but also that I might be mafia. There aren't three mafia, it was pointed out to him and instead of re-evaluating his stance he doubled down on this false line of narrative.
Exactly what I said before
Are you reading what I post?
No, I enjoy talking past people and ignoring them. Haven't you gathered that?
I don't know why you're being an ass, but whatever. I'll stop trying.
On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
That's not the reason I'm town reading Kelsier.
Also, if your case is shit, it will be called out by town. Especially when they don't see your actual vote.
On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". [big]It's designed to be shit[big], it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
Here.
But okay, I see that you're separating it in two cases.
On March 27 2020 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps because the only reason both you and LightningStrike have for town reading Kelsier is that you agreed with him that you all disliked my Sentinel "case" which was two sentences of pressure made to make Sentinel actually post content rather than a concrete solid "I've got mafia" "case". It's designed to be shit, it's designed to be called out and it's the most low hanging fruit a mafia player can criticise under the guise of content.
That's not the reason I'm town reading Kelsier.
Also, if your case is shit, it will be called out by town. Especially when they don't see your actual vote.
It's not shit, it's been agreed upon by three separate people that aren't me. Trfel, Rels and Palmar - all respectfully good people. If you disagree with the case, you don't simply get to call it shit since you are now going against the grain of 4 separate people that can't all be mafia. You need to give reasons and explain what parts are shit and why. Let's also not conflate that that wasn't my original point. You NEVER addressed the actual case in the post I quoted. The first post after the fact is ignoring the entirety of the posts and simply concluding "HF didn't actually vote at the end of it, that's so bad!". Firstly, why on earth would that ever make me mafia in any way, shape or form in another game? Am I usually inconsistent like that as mafia? Secondly, you never addressed the post there at all.
KelsierSC Had the same reaction I had on Holyflare's case. I can get behind his logic, even if he is overreacting.
??????
You're right. I thought I fleshed my read on Kelsier more somewhere.
I said it was bad that you were pushing Kelsier while still voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense as town and I believe you understand why. But then I realized you WERE voting Kelsier and dropped my read.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Hi Mr. Truffles!
Hi Mr. Chezinu! Have you determined anything about the floating teddy bear?
@GlowingBear, you seem to have severely misunderstood my post.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
The first paragraph, that you described as noncomittal, is actually the best point against KelsierSC that has been brought up by someone other than Holyflare. See the quotes in question:
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
(emphasis mine)
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
These don't line up. I get that agreeing with someone's reads and reading them as town are different things, but in this case KelsierSC didn't like LightningStrike's logic or read results and never mentioned a positive thing. Just read the posts yourself, I still don't understand AT ALL how KelsierSC decided to townread LightningStrike there. There was nothing about the conversation that "felt ok."
I believe this is actually very townie of Kelsier. He came to the thread, posted his impressions in a very objective manner. Having bad reads isn't alignment indicative, or it is, at least, town lean. I had the same impression Kelsier had with LS. The interaction feels natural.
Who would you vote for now?
Ok I said it here. I was sure I said it somewhere else.
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
I agree with your points of how to analyze people as being Mafia. However, I don't believe Mafia, especially Kelsier, would play like this. I also believe his posts could come from a townie perspective.
I don't believe he was discrediting, I believe he was fleshing out opinions on what he thinks about peoples assumption. I do this all the time as town.
I don't believe that him disagreeing with your case but still willing to lynch Sentinel is alignment indicative. He can think your cause is bad while still wanting to lynch a lurker. Again, I do this all the time as town.
I think we should consider the reality of the thread. Town is very disorganized at this point. So Mafia don't really need to do anything. At this point, I would expect Mafia to just stay on the background just to see town destroying themselves. That means they won't make any commitments, they will not push anything, they will at most sheep people. In that sense, I find LS's sheep on me much more suspicious. When I dropped the push, he kept thinking you're scum. But he was sheeping me, so... ?
Trfel is the other one who isn't having strong stances at all. Why not?
Holyflare, especially in a game with two Mafia, I believe they will play a very safe game. That's not what Kelsier was doing.
While I like where Palmar has placed his vote (KelsierSC), I don't like the rest of his play at all. And that's the main thing that has me concerned currently.
Palmar typically has strong Day 1 play. He's very good at finding mafia on Day 1, and I believe he has one of the best Day 1 push mafia percentages on the site. However, that isn't seen in this game at all. Palmar has been almost entirely absent, despite having no excuse and nothing else to do (yay coronavirus). And it's not even a weekend. Furthermore, in the little time Palmar has been here, his presence has been extremely lacking. He sheeped Holyflare to vote onto KelsierSC (by itself not a bad choice), however the rest of his posts lack reasoning entirely:
On March 26 2020 21:49 Vivax wrote: Let's keep it simple? Sent's first post was a joke about the opening post, possibly a result of him staring at it not knowing what to write. Then he became uncooperative and generally didn't look like he was having fun, but rather resorting to mimicking a zero-fucks attitude to provoke too-scummy-to-be-scum theories.
I like the wagon. We don't have to bite our teeth out to convince Kelsier.
On March 26 2020 22:58 Palmar wrote: I have upgraded shockeyy to definitely mafia.
But the incriminating part here is that Palmar has no direction. He doesn't care who gets lynched, he's not pushing his targets, he's content to do nothing. I could potentially understand if he (somehow) had four targets he felt were about equally scummy, but he even says he rates ShoCkeyy as definitely mafia (in contrast to the rest of his lynch pool).
Palmar doesn't care about who gets lynched. From town perspective this makes no sense. To me it feels like he's just interested in surviving and is disinterested otherwise, or that KelsierSC is town and Palmar is trying to set up extra mislynches.
But I don't know what to think, because I don't like KelsierSC either. I don't like unflipped association reads but while I do think they could be mafia together, it's probably less likely. So I'm a bit confused right now.
Thoughts?
THIS is a very scummy post. And that's why I think your case is not good, HF. Because scum will play safe. Just as this guy.
My thought are that you're Mafia trying to confuse town by throwing suspicions at palmar while still scumreading Kelsier but not wanting to vote him at all.
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
I agree with your points of how to analyze people as being Mafia. However, I don't believe Mafia, especially Kelsier, would play like this. I also believe his posts could come from a townie perspective.
I don't believe he was discrediting, I believe he was fleshing out opinions on what he thinks about peoples assumption. I do this all the time as town.
I don't believe that him disagreeing with your case but still willing to lynch Sentinel is alignment indicative. He can think your cause is bad while still wanting to lynch a lurker. Again, I do this all the time as town.
I think we should consider the reality of the thread. Town is very disorganized at this point. So Mafia don't really need to do anything. At this point, I would expect Mafia to just stay on the background just to see town destroying themselves. That means they won't make any commitments, they will not push anything, they will at most sheep people. In that sense, I find LS's sheep on me much more suspicious. When I dropped the push, he kept thinking you're scum. But he was sheeping me, so... ?
Trfel is the other one who isn't having strong stances at all. Why not?
Holyflare, especially in a game with two Mafia, I believe they will play a very safe game. That's not what Kelsier was doing.
I wasn't exactly sheeping you I had the same reaction as you and you voting him I thought we could push him? I still thought he was scum until his first post on his return on DMA.
My mind tells me this is bs My heart wants to believe
On March 27 2020 10:07 GlowingBear wrote: If the team is Kelsier and Trfel I'll be very disappointed
If that is the case then Mafia got like 0 presence atm and just letting us steam roll them?
At least Trfel is trying
I won a mafia game where LightningStrike, Vivax were literally afking the whole game, and town was literally just lynching either left and right.
I've lost count of how many games I've lost this way
That's the real problem with this forum, is that rather town helping each other out, they tend to argue the whole time and they stick headstrong... Like what's the point?
That's part of the game. What I find boring as hell is that people just sign in just to not play the game, or being borderline rude to each other. I just don't get it.
On March 27 2020 10:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: The only way I can think Trfel is mafia is because he's sheeping HF to try and throw some shade over to HF. HF while yes tries to commit to some discussion, and is known strong player, I can see why Trfel would try and sheep him. In all honesty its still early, people start really coming out when there's like four hours left...
The problem is that Trfel is scumreading Kelsier but refuses to vote him. What's worse, starts to scum read palmar while still saying he would rather lynch Kelsier.
1) If Kelsier is his top scum, why isn't he voting him?
2) If he thinks Palmar is scum, why doesn't he vote him instead of throwing suspicions, then getting back and saying "I'm still feeling confused and rather lynch Palmar"?
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Alright, since apparently people aren't playing here anymore because we have to attack every point ever made in the forums, here is what I think about your points:
I never heard that Palmar has a great day 1. I don't believe this is a reliable meta.
I don't believe Palmar is just surviving. I believe he is being lazy on day1. And that's something I believe you also said?
Why do you believe Kelsier is Mafia? Solely Holyflare's case?
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
I have been trying to have a conversation with him but he refuses to. When I attacked his case, he simply ignored it. Because he knows his case isn't good.
This is Mafia Holyflare 100%. He is selective, he is boring, he acts like an emotional bitch. He just wants to convince people Kelsier is Mafia instead of trying to actually trying to sort everyone out.
You can win this game by killing him. If not, it will be another game where HF is glaringly Mafia but people refuses to believe
On March 28 2020 00:36 LightningStrike wrote: I know you aren't scum reading HF due to unflipped association I just wanted to know if you thought it was possible.
On March 28 2020 00:29 GlowingBear wrote: HF's case is bad and you all should know it.
I have been trying to have a conversation with him but he refuses to. When I attacked his case, he simply ignored it. Because he knows his case isn't good.
This is Mafia Holyflare 100%. He is selective, he is boring, he acts like an emotional bitch. He just wants to convince people Kelsier is Mafia instead of trying to actually trying to sort everyone out.
You can win this game by killing him. If not, it will be another game where HF is glaringly Mafia but people refuses to believe
##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare
HF is always difficult to read, but TBH this game I don't see what you see. He seems pretty reasonnable to me, I don't see him hiding behind emotional outbursts like you said? I like how he attacked me when I challenged him, just enough to see my mindset, but not overly aggressively
He spent a page saying that these forums were dying because people weren't discussing his case. This was unwarranted.
When I start discussing his case, he ignores. Even after I asked him to talk about my posts. He focused on what I've posted on Trfel.
I don't like that people aren't discussing my case (FORUM IS DYING FOR THIS) VS I don't really want to discuss my case (I maybe killing this forum)
Holyflare is selective as Mafia. He decides to dismiss or ignore things he finds difficult to discuss and will not fit his agenda.
On March 28 2020 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: If I'm wrong I'll get out of the quarantine directly to the hospital, will rip someone's mask off and have them coughing on my face until I get covid
I wouldn't suggest you do that regardless of your alignment and for your safety >.< Well lecture is about to start and it should last until 11:50 am CST so bbl for a bit!
Alright, I'll just punch a bear in the face. With boxing gloves. Naked.
On March 28 2020 00:29 GlowingBear wrote: HF's case is bad and you all should know it.
I have been trying to have a conversation with him but he refuses to. When I attacked his case, he simply ignored it. Because he knows his case isn't good.
This is Mafia Holyflare 100%. He is selective, he is boring, he acts like an emotional bitch. He just wants to convince people Kelsier is Mafia instead of trying to actually trying to sort everyone out.
You can win this game by killing him. If not, it will be another game where HF is glaringly Mafia but people refuses to believe
##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare
HF is always difficult to read, but TBH this game I don't see what you see. He seems pretty reasonnable to me, I don't see him hiding behind emotional outbursts like you said? I like how he attacked me when I challenged him, just enough to see my mindset, but not overly aggressively
He spent a page saying that these forums were dying because people weren't discussing his case. This was unwarranted.
When I start discussing his case, he ignores. Even after I asked him to talk about my posts. He focused on what I've posted on Trfel.
I don't like that people aren't discussing my case (FORUM IS DYING FOR THIS) VS I don't really want to discuss my case (I maybe killing this forum)
Holyflare is selective as Mafia. He decides to dismiss or ignore things he finds difficult to discuss and will not fit his agenda.
Rels, I'm telling you, I'm 100% sure he is Mafia
How bad is this sentence. Jesus.
Holyflare won't talk about his case with me because as mafia he likes to dismiss or ignore things that don't fit his agenda.
My agenda being pushing my Kelsier case?
You've built 3 points on what makes people Mafia, chose some posts that COULD fit those points, and now you just tunnel it. You could use those points with almost anyone. A lot went on but you keep fixated on your case that you know is weak. And when someone specifically talks about it, you ignore! After wasting a whole page saying that was the reason this forum was dying.
I don't see you actively inquiring people as I remember you doing as town. Last game it was the same thing. I couldn't trust you as town, and voila! Every time I don't, you're Mafia
On March 28 2020 01:11 Holyflare wrote: There's a path of lesser resitance. I think your post on my case was a terrible response. Not terrible as in you're mafia just a really bad take but I have the wherewithal to know that even discussing it with you is a waste of time because you devalued it to differing of opinions and opinions don't usually change. So I didn't even comment on it. Soz.
There's nothing better going on in thread. The only content should be Kelsiers posts and Palmar's. Then you could simply comment on what I have to say about your case.
But anyway, the fact that you repeatedly refuse to comment it and that you have double standards on "commenting posts with content" just proves my point.
We can keep talking but I'm not changing my vote. I'm sure you're Mafia.
On March 28 2020 01:15 Holyflare wrote: I could alternatively do neither
You could. It's just a suggestion to actually play the game in the way you wanted. If you really wanted it, or was just being emotional to get some town cred
On March 28 2020 01:21 GlowingBear wrote: Dear TOWN
Please read my latest posts and interaction with Holyflare and you'll realize the is MAFIA.
I am 100% sure. If you want to lynch Mafia Day1, vote Holyflare with me.
You may not really believe this, but I am usually right when I scum read Holyflare like this. If you think I'm town, TRUST me in this. You will hit Mafia.
I won't take any more of your time screaming VOTE HOLYFLARE like I usually do (and really, I love to do that). You don't deserve to have the thread flooded like that. But please consider it.
On March 28 2020 01:21 GlowingBear wrote: Dear TOWN
Please read my latest posts and interaction with Holyflare and you'll realize the is MAFIA.
I am 100% sure. If you want to lynch Mafia Day1, vote Holyflare with me.
Your entire thesis is that HF is scum because he is tunneling KSC. Am I wrong?
You are. He's being selective with the posts in thread because he wants everything to fit his agenda. This is revealed by his double standards.
1) Thread was discussing everything else. 2) He comes to the thread and says that people should give more attention to this case and that the lack of attention is why this forum is dying. 3) I point out why his case isn't good 4) He ignores it, even after I ask him to comment on my posts
Question: if his case is so important to define the lynch today, to the point he gets emotional, why he doesn't further discuss with me after I brought valid points on it? It's because he doesn't want to have its fragility exploited. He is not worried to really investigate if Kelsier is Mafia or not. He is worried to have everyone sheeping him, regardless if the case is strong or not. This is Mafia trait, not town trait.
I repeatedly asked him if he thinks I'm town. Where's his answer? Why does he keep refusing to cooperate? He's not being transparent. That's because he wants to manipulate the information being discussed in thread. He's being selective. He just discuss things that fits his narrative, or at least doesn't harm it.
On March 27 2020 13:08 Holyflare wrote: I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue?
?????????
So you'd prefer to have Trfel with the "different playstyle" other than your top scumread??????
On March 27 2020 13:08 Holyflare wrote: I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue?
?????????
So you'd prefer to have Trfel with the "different playstyle" other than your top scumread??????
Probably? So what?
Don't you think you have less reasons to lynch Trfel other than Kelsier?
On March 27 2020 13:08 Holyflare wrote: I went back and read Trfel's last game and it feels a lot more free flowing and conversationally asking questions in paragraphs than I'm seeing here. Don't know if it means anything but it's definitely a different playstyle at least. This seems more like state facts, no intrigue?
?????????
So you'd prefer to have Trfel with the "different playstyle" other than your top scumread??????
Probably? So what?
Don't you think you have less reasons to lynch Trfel other than Kelsier?
I can do what I want fam
Sure, especially when you don't care about the lynch if you're Mafia.
Anyway, I think this is enough and people should realize you're Mafia now.
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
On March 26 2020 19:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: First night a few hours after the game begins I am trying to get a feel for the game . Few interactions and give my opinion on what's happened so far.
I call a bad case on sentinel a bad case and then give my thoughts before I have to head out. Nothing special or particularly concrete. Some general d1 thoughts.
Come back to some giant case against me that quotes almost my entire filter. Im not going to spend D1 defending myself from obnoxious bullshit ty.
So you're establishing that you attack me personally and blame the death of the forum on me/my playstyle because I play the game of mafia?
You arent playing mafia you are a bully hiding behind your screen. Got no time for you
On March 26 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw HF also casing KSC although it not the worst case in the world but I aint biting it and KSC's reaction though seems very over the top? Dunno how to feel about that. Palmar's entrance is meh. I hope someone can actually help me read HF this game....
On March 27 2020 03:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
I also found this interesting as well. I don't get the push on either or, which is why I didn't even buy into it, yet Palmar followed along anyways.
On March 27 2020 03:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 27 2020 03:20 GlowingBear wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: LS, I was pushing Rels just to get some traction in the thread.
HF, is Vivax town?
And what you got out of that push onto Rels?
Nothing, I was just getting traction.
On March 26 2020 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
On March 26 2020 09:49 GlowingBear wrote: zZz
Hello! Wakey wakey little teddy bear! oh how memorizing you are! Please speak to me!
Chez I'll speak! Are you mafia?
On March 26 2020 11:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:58 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
why?
Vivax typically has trouble Day 1 as mafia, here he seems present and quite comfortable.
This is in the past, Trfel. Last game I've played with him he was very capable as mafia.
On March 26 2020 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:49 Holyflare wrote: If you are town, Sentinel, you should be voting for Kelsier because he would be confirmed mafia.
For saying the wagon on me is bleh? I think it's too early in the game for that to be a scum read
On March 26 2020 13:36 Rels wrote: and please explain why KSC should be conf scum in Sent POV
I've evolved as a player. I see far beyond what normal players see and I can extrapolate things from a meta-analysis of this game.
Mafia have three main objectives:
Blend
Sew discontent
Survive
The game relies on mafia making mistakes and outing themselves through having perfect knowledge and being unable to think and type with the naivety that a townie has. This leads to the following main problems: 1.They know that fundamentally all cases against townies are bad. 2.They know that all cases against mafia are good (or poorly explained but correct) but they need to discredit them or downplay them. 3.They have to jump on cases on townies that they know are fundamentally bad.
Kelsier is textbook mafia in this situation, regardless of Sentinel's townieness or mafia-ness. Kelsier's last posts are the hallmark of every mafia player with perfect information. It hits point 2 and 3 to a tee.
On March 26 2020 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
We can agree to disagree on the last part only. Is there anything else you want to talk about?
I think the push on sentinel blows a fat cock but I want to see who else jumps on it and pretends its a good case.
On March 26 2020 08:26 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently I have to go to work tomorrow ( I don't as i'm not a key worker but my boss is a fuckhead )
going to sleep now but I will probably be posting from my office with the door closed. I think LS and vivax are pretty town. vivax because he has posted. LS because the interaction felt ok and if I recall he is a fan of outrageous reads.
no one else has been impressive, would lynch chez because he gives me a headache. the push on sentinel is bleh however he hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway , but I don't like listening to HF about anything. I operate in a no bully zone.
There is a fundamental disconnect between the information presented to Kelsier in the thread and his logical assumptions and progressions. In Kelsier's opinion, the case on Sentinel is bad but the case is majoritively based on the assumption that while being present in the thread and having the ability to post for the first 6 hours he has contributed nothing and his entries were unfunny.
Kelsier's current mindset if town: I have seen a case based on Sentinel doing nothing and I think it is terrible.
Then he follows up with a goodnight post (bolded for brevity) that he outlines "Sentinel hasn't done shit so I would lynch him anyway".
Kelsier's current mindset if town: ?????? Kelsier's mindset as mafia: The case on Sentinel is the only one in the thread so far, I need to find a reason to hop on it and he's doing nothing so he's easy to get rid of and put a vote on.
These points are irrespective of the rest of his filter. Remember the mafia tenets I mentioned earlier? Mafia has perfect information, they know that all cases on townies are bad and have to "reason" out their reads. His filter is full of discrediting people's opinions for almost no reasons.
Mafia has perfect information and it's a beginner mafia mistake to town read people freely for bad reasons and also out yourself by arguing against OK-ish points (remember mafia tenet number 1?). Again, Kelsier's filter is littered with these.
On March 26 2020 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 04:04 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 03:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Setup Information
The exact roles in this game are as follows:
Antivaxxer Coughing Boomer
American Doctor 8x Healthy Boomer
fixed
This is slightly scummy because after the game started he decided to read the setup before posting.
Made me laugh but I do agree with your logic at least.
you agree it's scummy to check the day post when a game starts?
lul x2
Discredits a read for no reason. Makes no conclusions.
On March 26 2020 06:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
last thing I remember is he is AFK as fuck as mafia, so not a bad read.
Jumps on giving a free town read to Vivax even though this is not his meta.
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Discredits read on GB. This is all discrediting reads.
On March 26 2020 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
Guess you could fill me in on why GB is town and why Rels is town?
GB is town because of his attitude which I don't think he can fake as mafia. Rels is town because he responded well to GB's push I thought at least.
Feels like it is way to early to make reads like that, GB posted some random stuff and GIFS in the first page, it's not exactly a hard mimic. There is no way the Rels push was anything real at all, you should know that tbh so his reponse is pretty null aswell.
Bad reads.
Good point but GB is usually more jokey as town than scum especially doesn't do these type of pushes this early as scum like in Battle of the Drams. Rels I can see your argument but I been liking his responses so far just want to see him push the game more.
The only thing i'd give Rels credit for is he seemed to make an effort to understand all the nonsense chez posted and the resulting discussion. I just ignored all of that tbh. Rest of his play has been weak.
Says absolutely nothing about Rels again. Says he'd give him credit but also contradicts the credit right at the end of the point. The post amounts to nothing.
To surmise, Kelsier is following all tenets of playing as mafia. He is playing destructively, rather than constructively with his perfect information (he discredits town reads people are giving frequently). He discredits the Sentinel push while meekly saying he'd join it right after. Kelsier has perfect information and is mafia.
Funny, this case is basically about Kelsier but you're voting Sentinel. This is so bad.
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Worst post on thread yet. Are these points alignment indicative? What do you believe these guys are? Town? Mafia?
On March 26 2020 18:32 Palmar wrote: also the pool of mafia is like trfel, shockeyy, ksc and sentinel.
Just lynch those 4 and the game is over.
Care to explain? At least explain why you're leaving Chez out.
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And this is basically what's interesting right now.
Holyflare is mafia, he's pushing Kelsier while voting Sentinel. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe he is trying to solve the game, but he's just trying to fit people's post in a narrative to push his mafia agenda.
##Vote: Holyflare
So I wasn't the only one who actually thought this as well even I didn't say it in the thread but I been thinking that for sure. I will vote HF with you. ##Vote: Holyflare
On March 26 2020 12:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 11:10 Rels wrote:
On March 26 2020 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2020 08:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
These posts, afking and work commitments are why this forum is dead and others thrive.
You post a long case and people agree with it (which is fine because they actually elaborated on reasons why) but other people disagree with it and say absolutely nothing relevant to any of the points within it. There is no debate about what points are constructed or what points make someone mafia, there is no push for me because someone thinks this is a narrative (instead, there is a push for me because people can't read the voting thread). This forum is plagued by people talking AT each other saying meagre sentences like "I think he is town" or "I think he is mafia" and no actual discourse about any points anyone raises.
This was the post that alerted my DMA stuff.
He can 100% do this as Mafia. Anyone can do this as Mafia. Whining is very easy to do.
On March 28 2020 02:15 LightningStrike wrote: Unless you think HF faked that anger in that post and was being a total dick about it he should be town for that post alone.
Yes, I think he faked because if he was so emotional about not having people talking about his case, he should at least be interested in posts commenting about his case. It's simple as that.
On March 28 2020 02:16 Palmar wrote: It's a bad idea to lynch HF at the moment.
He is never going to be a lurky shit scum. He's going to be loud and controversial through the game. If by day 2-3 he hasn't done anything useful or been right on anything we just kill him.
We need to take out the background trash on day 1, that is how you play day 1.
Shockeyy has done literally nothing except making some excuses and throwing some random shit around. Hell even the fact that he's a late voter is a tiny mafia tell.
Murder him.
I'm sorry, I can't keep playing any more games where he is glaringly scum and gets a pass just because he is Holyflare, and somehow manages to win in the end. I'm voting no one else but him until I die.
On March 28 2020 02:29 Rels wrote: GB I'm sorry I don't see it. I understand what it feels like too - there was one game where I was 100% sure HF was scum, and I was so scared that he would escape his lynch. I pushed him all day. I made sure he was dead, I was sure that he would get away at the last second.
But he flipped town lol.
I get him right as Mafia more times than I get him wrong. Anyway, evidence is there, I won't be a pain in the ass, screaming to vote him, as I was in the pass
On March 28 2020 02:58 LightningStrike wrote: Yolo I am sorry KSC but I don't think Trfel is mafia and saving him I am sorry if you flip town :\ ##Unvote ##Vote: KelsierSC
On March 28 2020 04:08 Vivax wrote: Gratz GB you voted with your scumread you are shitting up the thread for. I'm honestly not even reading anything you write about HF since you started this stuff. It's just dumb or fake. Why the flying fuck would you shit up the thread like this and then vote with him???
At least HF has the right idea not to pay attention to it.
Lynch Trfel, GB, Sent. Win Gaem.
Oh ffs just use two brain cells to figure it out yourself, you don't have any reason to attack me like that
On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
I will explain myself but I won't defend myself. There are reasons why I wouldn't do this as Mafia but you'll have to figure it out by yourselves.
I thought Trfel's post near deadline was town, I believed him being upset about always being lynched Day1 was genuine, I saw effort that I didn't believe he would do as Mafia, and I have a vague memory of him not taking strong stances before.
My top scum read also didn't care for having Trfel lynched, so he basically doesn't care for the lynch. Which would probably make both wagons town.
I switched because I saw posts from Trfel that looked townie and the only other possible wagon was Kelsier's. It was impulsive and thinking about it now, it was bad.
On March 28 2020 07:09 Holyflare wrote: GB posted that he's positive I'm mafia repeatedly for about 4 pages, he also defended Kelsier and called him town. Yet what explanation have we received other than he won't play anymore for why he killed his town read and voted with his certain mafia read?
If you're town, unless you believe Trfel is definitely Mafia, I have no motivation to do that switch as scum.
On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare[/red][/red] is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
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Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating.
Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
Assuming Trfel flips town and knowing my alignment mafia might of had laughed their asses and could bury themselves in either wagon unless you think a mafia is one of the solo voters then the partner would have to be on one of the wagons EoD.
Kinda depressed about that
It depends on each player's meta if mafia is inside or outside the main wagons. If it was me, I would take the erratic route and keep my vote on Holyflare and tunnel him, regardless if my partner is under attack or no, because it will be easy for me to survive (I'll never be top town, so if I don't die, they won't throw suspicions at me / I'll never be top scum because I didn't try to save my partner if he is one of the main wagons). In my opinion, vote analysis per se won't help us.
What could help us is to try to understand how mafia would act in a 9 v 2 game. A perfect match for them would be: 7v2 / 5v2 / 3v2. Three myslinches without dying. It's not easy if town is organized. They can't have suspicions thrown at them either, because they need to survive and they don't have a partner to "spare", to be totally erratic. So Mafia needs to keep disorganizing town and manipulate information in thread, without really compromising themselves. I expect at least one mafia to do that. They will use their perfect information to play a very logic game. Unfortunately, many townies are fitting this perspective. But two people in particular stands out for me, which is Holyflare and Vivax. Holyflare for the reasons I've already said here. It's way too obvious for me. He's been selective, manipulative, and I don't believe he is trying to actually solve the game. Vivax because he has been under the radar, playing a very safe game, and at the moment he could throw suspicions at me, he did. It fits mafia perspective very well. Also, I remember Vivax been very paranoid and erratic as town. He would think everything is scummy, jumping on every person. This Vivax calls me out for "shitting the thread" without actually commenting on what I've said about Holyflare while assuming Holyflare is town (he would never give Holyflare a pass). Just as last game. Also, see that Holyflare never said a thing about Vivax. I've asked him what he thinks about Vivax, but he ignored. It's hard to talk about key people when you have perfect information. A team of Vivax and Holyflare is very possible. But I don't want to talk about teams because it would be unflipped association. I am scumreading both for their play alone.
Good points about how mafia would act in a 9v2 vs a normal setup. Ya Vivax isn't as paranoid this game as he normally is as town and clearly didn't read the thread much at all when he called you out when fi he had looked at EoD he would clearly see why you swapped (and for that matter why I also swapped). HF is definitely looking worse that lynch on KSC based on the fact he made the case on KSC and pushed him.
Exactly. I was upset when he called me out, it's very frustrating playing a game where I believe Holyflare is mafia but people don't want to consider it just because he is a high profile player. I've lost countless games to this thinking. I even lost a game where I flipped cop and had a red check on him, and people didn't lynch him because they thought he was a miller. It's frustrating.
Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
Sorry about that I was the one who threw that game that you speaking about regarding that cop check. As for why I didn't switch to HF: I didn't think we had the people do it at EoD to do it without lynching Trfel. Vivax might be mafia it will be more apparent if he is as the game progresses since he doesn't post much as scum later in the game.
Don't be sorry, I've just used it as an example of how this thing keeps repeating here. I've switched off of Holyflare because we didn't have enough people convinced to lynch him.
We have at least 1 townie wasting vote, so town just needs to step up and be organize. It's hard to do when town isn't playing
On March 29 2020 02:36 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway, took my time off the game and I'm not upset anymore. And analyzing Vivax reaction to me, it feels extremely fake. I'm confident he is mafia.
I also hated his posts this night, the way he putted a lot of blame on you was pretty scummy
Exactly, it makes no sense at all since he isn't actively playing the game or scum hunting.
On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
It could be anything
They could've thought he was the parity cop
He could be right on Sentinel
Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people alive
On March 29 2020 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: And I didn't get crap from his filter really except he thought Sent was scum along with Trfel and GB. Maybe he died because of his Sent read? I don't think Trfel and GB are mafia atm.
It could be anything
They could've thought he was the parity cop
He could be right on Sentinel
Or they could just think town is so wrong in their predictions that it would be better to keep the talking people alive
I wouldn't take this much in consideration
Probably the bolded part honestly I guess.
I actually think it could be any reason and, therefore, shouldn't be considered atm
On March 29 2020 03:58 Holyflare wrote: It's very bm not to kill me when I'm almost guaranteed to not be able to play so thanks for being a dick to a sick person gb.
On March 29 2020 04:06 Holyflare wrote: There is no world, no plane of existence where GB magically starts calling me mafia right at eod day 1 despite airing no grievances previously and is SO sure I'm mafia and actually hard defends Kelsier as being town that he votes Kelsier at eod WITH ME.
He's so paranoid of how bad he looks he auto defends himself with inane over explained reasons. He has also lied repeatedly to over exaggerate how he's so good at finding me when I'm mafia. That has never and will never be the case and there is quite a clear history of him being wrong and also him pushing me to stir shit when he's mafia.
History of games says otherwise.
Explain to me why me, as Mafia, would do such move at EoD. Tell me my motivation.
On March 28 2020 06:55 Vivax wrote: Ok GB. Sorry for calling you dumb or mafia for that play and saying you are shitting up the thread.
But you derailed a lynch onto a townie. While voting with your scumread that you spent a ton of posts on in what looks like an ego-war you deliberately wanted to start. Which makes perfect sense for mafia before the nr.1 way to get HF to start spamming the thread is to trigger him in some way. When he's mafia he does that on his own. The game is much less confusing when he can just do his thing in peace for a while.
And what I meant with Palmar+Shockey not playing referred to them wasting their votes.
He got you. Guarantee there's a post in your qt scared of it.
On March 29 2020 05:36 Holyflare wrote: My narrative is literally a quote from your filter. It's your own narrative that caught you.
I said Mafia would play a very safe game while trying to discredit and manipulate town while not being outspoken. I'm playing anything but safe.
Your narrative is that I was shitting the thread - I actually brought content about you and even said I was going to refrain from keep saying to have you lynched. I merely responded questions about you
Then you say that I, as mafia, shot Vivax because he was right and that I decided to not shoot you instead because you are sick and wouldn't be able to play
This is a narrative. Mafia could've picked Vivax for any reason. The fact that you're building a narrative to discredit me when I actually brought valid points about you - points that you didn't actually tried to attack - shows that you're interested only to discredit me working under bad narratives.
Again, you're not interested in solving the game. You're just picking some posts you THINK are fragile or that could help your narrative to disorganized town an push mislynches.
On March 29 2020 06:05 Holyflare wrote: You're a really boring broken record GB. Leave the thread and stop arguing pointless drivel. If you have something constructive to say, say it. Your posts are designed to cause arguments with me instead of proving to other people I'm mafia, that is why you are indeed mafia.
Prove to people I'm mafia, stop trying to prove to me that I'm mafia.
I'm trying to have a conversation with you while pointing out how opportunistic has been your approach on me on this game. Yes every time I try to discuss something, you shut down conversation with offenses and emotional reactions.
On March 29 2020 06:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm not interested in solving the game at all. I'm going to potentially fucking die. Do you not get why I honestly couldn't give a shit about this game anymore?
I'm sorry if this is true, but why are you still playing, then?
On March 29 2020 06:16 Holyflare wrote: You call me mafia opportunistically and degrade my case saying how weak it is and how townie you think kelsier is and you have no backbone to vote me and vote off kelsier instead.
That's disgraceful. You are mafia or the worst townie I have seen in a long time.
This is unnecessary regardless of your alignment.
Wishing you all the best while still thinking you're Mafia
Does anyone else think I'm shitting the thread and being annoying? Because if so, I'll reduce my posts and let people step up, I've already made my points.
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
On March 29 2020 09:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching Sentinel
Reason?
I've wasted my time going after one of the most outspoken persons in the game just to be mod confirmed as town, while lots of people aren't even playing.
I'm tired of playing games like this so I'd rather just lynch the lurkers
I don't think HF is mod confirmed town? Lynching lurkers in a game full of lurkers seems lol worthy?
Do you believe Holyflare really got corona but decided, as Mafia, to fake this emotional reaction and ask to get out of the game?
On March 30 2020 01:04 Rels wrote: Trfel is also still very scummy. Not together with Palmar though
LS and GB, if you could tell me what posts you thought were townie at deadline it would be great. To me, it just looks like he showed up 30 minutes before deadline to make sure he wasn't the lynch, then fucked off.
I don't think he would take the effort to search another games to build his points. I also believed that his frustration was genuine. It was something I thought at that time and it made me took an impulsive decision.
I think you're right that he could've fake it and that he only decided to show commitment when he was close to get lynched. I've played poorly. Again.
On March 30 2020 05:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: If anything it’s most likely Palmar and Trfel. Dude has had a hardon for me since the beginning of the game, before I even really posted. Also LS the game started during the week. He had to have some time to play instead of his little one liners and insta calling me mafia.
On March 29 2020 03:03 LightningStrike wrote: That was such a bad kill regardless who is mafia because he was very lynchable. Will check his filter.
He was never gonna be lynched.
Looked very town and made good reads.
no. Not at all
Vivax was the towniest townie that ever towned in this game.
Not my fault you couldn't see it.
He totally wasn't but okay.
On March 30 2020 04:26 Palmar wrote: It's so fucking tiring that people double guess everything and never just play this game in a simple way.
Mafia people play like mafia
Town people play like town
HF got into a huge dick measuring contest with GB, ergo they're both town.
Vivax made good reads and was just all around chill and cool guy, ergo he's town.
KSC came around and actually tried, ergo town.
LS is town because I said so
Rels is probably dumb enough to be town
Trfel could be mafia because he's completely uninteresting.
Sentinel is almost certainly mafia, his filter is shit
Shockeyy is probably the other one, he sounds like mafia.
Nobody is going to try to read Chez, but I'm kinda fine with him not dying at the moment.
Just kill the people that look and sound like mafia.
Stop fucking overthinking everything.
I like this post. Simple, objective, taking hard stances. I believe this is coming from town.
I sound like mafia to you?
I said I like this post, I didn't say I agree with everything he says. I don't find anything particularly town in your posts, but I don't believe you're mafia here.
On March 30 2020 05:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: If anything it’s most likely Palmar and Trfel. Dude has had a hardon for me since the beginning of the game, before I even really posted. Also LS the game started during the week. He had to have some time to play instead of his little one liners and insta calling me mafia.
What about Sentinel?
Being AFK most of the game doesn’t help.
Wait Shockey
Why is Palmar Mafia again? He thinks you're Mafia, it doesn't make him scum for that.
Is it because he is afk? So is Sentinel. What's the difference?
On March 30 2020 06:16 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel who's mafia and why?
I don't know, I'm catching up on a lot and doing some filter dives. Care to help me?
No
Tell me what you think once you finish diving, please
Well if you don't want to help me find mafia, that does seem to sound like you are mafia yourself...
I need to take an exam, I'll look more after. Voting Palmar for now, I still need to look at GlowingBear's filter though. Then that would be the people I'm most interested in today.
This makes me want to vote you very, very hard.
I want to know your original opinions, who's probably Mafia and why. Why should I and how could I help you with that?
On March 26 2020 03:09 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone want to help me find mafia?
Hi LS
Yes. Are you Mafia?
So why won't you help me "find mafia"? You know that doesn't mean I'm necessarily town in your eyes, or you wouldn't have said that to LightningStrike at the start of the game. I just don't get the inconsistency, are you trying to aggravate me?
Uhm, how is this related to helping you finding Mafia or not? Why do we have to buddy up so you can start scum hunting?
On March 30 2020 08:40 Trfel wrote: Never mind, I don't care anymore. I just like having someone to bounce ideas off of and not feel like my thoughts are going out into nothingness.
I see your one-liner on Palmar now, my apologies, I missed it. Can you please explain again why Palmar's list post makes him town? I get that you like that he takes hard stances, but his stances are unexplained and make no sense. You said he's being objective, I'm challenging you to prove it.
Have you read anything I've posted on Palmar?
Maybe I've misinterpreted what you meant with "helping" you. If you meant "discuss with me", I'm willing to. But I'll only comment on things you'll bring up. I've already discussed a lot and I want your original ideas without my influence.
Yes, I've read what you've brought on Palmar. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you think he is trying to pass as obvious town when he isn't, and that's the reason he is Mafia. Is that so?
The fact that he gave his reads without flourishing shows how objective he is. I believe he is being sincere. He comes to the thread, says: I think this because of this, therefore this guy is town and this is Mafia. It's clear what he thinks. It doesn't appear he is trying to fabricate anything.
All the reasons he brought are ok. There's no need to build a huge case. He thinks your content is uninspiring and for that reason you could be Mafia. It's okay to think that. Be believes sentinels filter is horrible, and he is right. There are a lot of questions without actual interest in the answers. He says LS is town because he says so, when I'm sure he meant "I have no reason to actually call LS town but I feel he is" and that's exactly how I feel. He says Chez is a question mark but be doesn't want to lunch him now and that's also how I feel.
Anyway, isn't saying everything you need in one line a way to be objective?
On March 30 2020 11:33 Trfel wrote: Rels, care to respond to my post earlier this page to you?
GlowingBear, that's not why I am suspicious of Palmar. In short, Palmar doesn't care what happens, who gets lynched, or who is mafia, and I believe that makes him likely mafia. I'll see if I can explain it better later tonight when I am on a computer.
I'm not sure he doesn't care, he is voting his scum read accordingly. If we lynch everyone who apparently isn't caring in this game, we would have to lynch half of the player list
On March 27 2020 22:40 LightningStrike wrote: Barely awake was to tired to post last night
On March 27 2020 11:01 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear and everyone else, care to respond to the actual points I've raised instead of meaningless nonsense?
Getting kinda sick of this.
Yes, I'm confused because one of my main scumreads is voting for the other one. I'm not confident enough in my reads to vote, given the circumstance. If you have any actual help or comments on my reads to help sort this out, I would really appreciate it.
Otherwise, BUGGER OFF.
Regarding your case on Palmar (had to check meta this morning): He had a lazyish Day 1 before as town as shown in Mafia For Busy People and Mafia Mafia Mafia (his filters if you want them: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/534114-mafia-for-busy-people?user=Palmarhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/528650-mafia-mafia-mafia-mafia?user=Palmar ) Now regarding no direction: He had 4 scum reads with a stronger one on Shockeyy by that point when you posted your case. As for your play: Even if one of your scumreads voted one of your other scumreads why not vote for the one who you think is scummier? That is why I think you're mafia. With that being said Palmar does move up for me as closer to town now with that meta research I done this morning.
@LightningStrike, if we're going to argue meta and all that...
In Mafia for Busy People, Palmar was lynched Day 1, on a weekend. It's well known Palmar doesn't play on weekends. While Palmar didn't do anything in the linked game, he didn't start this game on a weekend, so there is no excuse.
In Mafia Mafia Mafia, again this is quite a different case, as Palmar was apparently in Portugal and didn't realize the game started until there were about 8 hours left in Day 1. Obviously not relevant to this situation. But I'll humor you. Read Palmar's filter from that game, and he gets right to the point in trying to figure out who he wants to vote for. He acknowledges the current cases and chooses his vote. Of course he has no thread presence (since he didn't read any of the game) so he had to play with that, but I still see more investment from Palmar in that game than in the current game.
I'll check this out but I'm not lynching Palmar today
On March 30 2020 18:29 Palmar wrote: Feels like sentinel has done less than shockeyy and is less invested.
Still think shockeyy is mafia for his reactions and posts on day 1, just think Sentinel is even more likely to flip scum.
Trfel is officially dead to me now btw, so I'm going to pretend he doesn't exist.
You do realize that if that is the team, they really don't care for the game, since they both aren't voting.
This is actually the "BUT WHY WOULD MAFIA PLAY LIKE MAFIA?" logic that I was complaining about earlier.
Can we start off assuming mafia is just as bad as town, and that they're just playing like mafia plays.
If that doesn't work and we end up in lylo, maybe re-evaluate.
For now, just fucking murder the people who play like mafia.
Am I doing something else? Because as far as I know, my vote has been on Sentinel since start of the day. There's no harm in thinking further.
And if you think both of them are Mafia, they are deciding the lynch today. Just so you know. And the probability they will kill you is big. Sentinel don't need to vote, shockey will hammer.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Rationale for GB:
- Votes Trfel - Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched - Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot - Oops KSC is town
Could've been a mistake but: - Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on - Oops HF is modkilled - I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something
Nice try
You forgot to get into account that I believed Trfel came back as genuinely town, and his play isn't atrocious day2. You also forgot that I've only switched to Trfel because I didn't want to waste my vote.
I had no reason to believe HF was town. It was only when he was mod confirmed that I backed off.
I'm lynching you because you're not playing the game and you're not interesting in it. You just come near deadline to drop suspicions at people. You're also only voting on a wagon that is guaranteed to have at least 2 votes. Basically trying to survive
On March 31 2020 02:30 LightningStrike wrote: Rels there was 2 votes on GB before he voted him I think that would answer that question even though I not Sentinel?
sure but votes are not everything. No way GB is lynched over Trfel right now
When he voted, a single switch could kill me. It was shockey that made it impossible
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
Can you point a direction?
I'll write a close to deadline post talking about it, don't worry
On March 31 2020 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: BlaIzingHand's logic of "He doing townie things therefore he's scum" logic:
On April 23 2012 04:24 BlazingJitsu wrote: By far Marv's best and most useful post, almost certainly made in response to my renewed vigour in my case against him. As you can see, he's only willing to post just above whatever bar I set for him in order to appear townie when he is in fact scum.
On December 06 2013 06:54 Chezinu wrote: Oh and the Chezinu states that if someone, who is a new player and never played with Chezinu before, claims Chezinu is scum. Then said player is mafia. It has a 100% success rate, which is illogical hilarious.. or is it logical? I cannot recall how many times this rule has taken into effect, but I know it is more than just a few. It all started with Blazinghand.
I'm not a new player and I've played with you more than once your rule doesn't apply. Especially because I've just said you've scum claimed just to have something to talk about, not really going against you.
Which is a relief since I would destroy the Chez rule
On April 01 2020 02:08 LightningStrike wrote: I wont be here at EoN so incase I die: Check who might be mafia on the KSC wagon from Day 1 unless you think it's Rels or any of the solo voters.
?
This makes no sense. Why would me Mafia certainly on KSC wagon other than Sentinel?
On April 01 2020 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: But for real check either Rels or one of the solo voters left for the last mafia only because Rels isn't flipped so we don't know if the Trfel wagon is pure town or the last mafia is in the solo voters given we had a bad Day 1.
It's simple
If Trfel is town, mafia didn't care after mid day1. They could vote anyone.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
I don't really see much of note currently. Interested by Holyflare voting for [UoN]Sentinel but I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment myself. Anything you want to talk about?
Bringing suspicion on Sentinel early day1 (he doesn't follow it):
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
This post makes no sense at all. Why are you voting for yourself if you think Holyflare's push is only to get the game started and not what he really thinks?!
Deflection 2, while also ignoring his own suspicions on Sentinel:
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Deflection 3, MAIN ONE, he brings suspicions on Sentinel but doesn't really care for him?
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Still at work, I'll re-evaluate all my reads in a few hours and try to get reads on all the other players by end of niht.
@[UoN]Sentinel, any updates on when you'll provide those reads as promised?
I don't care much for [UoN]Sentinel but there's really nothing in his filter. It's just a giant blob of nothing... I could mayyyyybe understand his lack of thread presence as laziness while his target was being lynched* but there is absolutely no excuse for what he has done Day 2 (or lack thereof).
But I'm hesitant. Maybe it's stupid of me, but I'm hesitant because I can't really say why he is mafia (his activity is awful but that just makes him a lurker policy lynch). But literally everyone is scumreading him. That always makes me really nervous. I feel like mafia wouldn't let a member go down without a fight. And without solid reasons against him, I don't really like lynching him right now. I think what he does towards the End of Day 2 will be very informative for his alignment.
* Key difference here on why Palmar is so suspicious. Palmar's target wasn't being lynched, and he didn't care and did very little. In [UoN]Sentinel's case, his target was being lynched, so there was nothing to do.
Deflection 5. Trying way too hard to not have Sentinel lynched:
On March 30 2020 11:33 Trfel wrote: Rels, care to respond to my post earlier this page to you?
GlowingBear, that's not why I am suspicious of Palmar. In short, Palmar doesn't care what happens, who gets lynched, or who is mafia, and I believe that makes him likely mafia. I'll see if I can explain it better later tonight when I am on a computer.
I'm not sure he doesn't care, he is voting his scum read accordingly. If we lynch everyone who apparently isn't caring in this game, we would have to lynch half of the player list
I think I get what you're saying, but the key difference is his scum read isn't getting lynched.
And looking at Palmar's filter again I noticed something more.
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote: I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC?
How do you feel about this?
I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it.
Why would you want to?
He got mad when I called him mafia and felt it was random, yet until that point in the game he had done nothing except vote for Blazinhand? Feels oversensitive.
His first two posts in the game were both excuses even when bunch of people weren't even in the thread. He was telling us how he was totally not just afk, just doing something else.
He made some weird association between me and holyflare.
He has done very, very minimal amount of work for town.
On March 28 2020 02:16 Palmar wrote: It's a bad idea to lynch HF at the moment.
He is never going to be a lurky shit scum. He's going to be loud and controversial through the game. If by day 2-3 he hasn't done anything useful or been right on anything we just kill him.
We need to take out the background trash on day 1, that is how you play day 1.
Shockeyy has done literally nothing except making some excuses and throwing some random shit around. Hell even the fact that he's a late voter is a tiny mafia tell.
Murder him.
On March 29 2020 20:54 Palmar wrote: I’ll kill shockeyy as well
On March 29 2020 20:51 Palmar wrote: Seems like a good day to kill sentinel
(note: excluding list posts and scum pools where both were listed equally)
I recommend looking at Palmar's filter yourself to see it in chronological order.
But basically, there's a big jump in focus from ShoCkeyy to [UoN]Sentinel with no reason. What changed to make him less suspicious of ShoCkeyy? Seemingly nothing. What changed to make him more suspicious of [UoN]Sentinel? All Palmar says is that his filter is terrible, and since he hasn't posted that hasn't really changed at all between Day 1 and Day 2.
Palmar seems like a better and better lynch the more I look at it.
----
FINALLY decides to vote Sentinel:
On March 31 2020 02:16 Trfel wrote: We waited so long, for this?
Honestly I'm quite disappointed. Very happy to kill [UoN]Sentinel after that.
Voting to consolidate. Still don't like Palmar.
BUT:
On March 31 2020 02:48 Trfel wrote: So little activity going into the deadline, makes me so uneasy...
On March 31 2020 02:48 Trfel wrote: So little activity going into the deadline, makes me so uneasy...
Activity is fine considering the active players?
I just feel like if [UoN]Sentinel is mafia there should be more going on right now, no? Either more of a counterpush or more of a push on him as a bus.
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
True. Sentinel can't even paint Trfel as either scum or town rofl
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote: Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?
HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Rationale for GB:
- Votes Trfel - Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched - Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot - Oops KSC is town
Could've been a mistake but: - Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on - Oops HF is modkilled - I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something
GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.
Actually, at the time he pushed me, I was the second wagon. 2 votes on me were guaranteed. It was his best bet, unless Trfel could push Palmar with you leading it.
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 28 2020 00:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote: Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?
HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.
Trfel is suspicious.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to say
Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum
##Vote: GlowingBear
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is GB.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Rationale for GB:
- Votes Trfel - Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched - Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot - Oops KSC is town
Could've been a mistake but: - Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on - Oops HF is modkilled - I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something
GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.
Actually, at the time he pushed me, I was the second wagon. 2 votes on me were guaranteed. It was his best bet, unless Trfel could push Palmar with you leading it.
That was the vote situation, but noone was ever switching to you given what they had said earlier. On the other hand, a lot of people were ready to vote Trfel if he suddenly became obvious town.
I understand what you're saying but I don't believe that's what Sentinel thought atm.
BTW this is the post I’ve prepared for deadline. But I’ve filter dived a little bit (I can’t do much because I’m working) and finally decided it’s Trfel. But here it is for thoughts:
"I think Shockey may be the last mafia for the reason he kept swaying votes from Sentinel on day1 without actually calling him town. You are invited to check his filter.
Unless Palmar decided to bus Sentinel early in the day, he is town. I don’t believe he would try to vote Sentinel when he could go after anyone else, especially Shockey. He’s probably dying this night, especially if Shockey is mafia. Anyway, I’ve tried to WIFOM mafia and having them shooting me, so Palmar can live, and the parity cop, whoever he is.
LS is certainly town. I firmly believe that. He is interested in the game. Don’t lynch him.
Rels COULD be mafia because he was also a bit reluctant to lynch Sentinel. Although his vote on Sentinel day2 says otherwise. I don’t think his play is bad, but is has been a bit uninspiring too. Should be considered town, but with care.
Trfel is a bit worse, he kept trying to lynch Palmar instead, and also didn’t was reluctant to talk about Sentinel .It also took a bit until he finally gave up on not lynching Sentinel on day2.
Chez is a question mark but it’s already day3 and he has been unhelpful. I wouldn’t care having him lynched since we have no reason to trust him.
Now, if parity cops survive this night and decided to check between any of “Trfel, Rels, Chez and Shockey” tonight, we will have either a confirmed town or a confirmed mafia. And if parity cop is between these, game is solved. We have one mislynch left and if parity cop survives he could just claim near deadline of night3, telling us his results. We reach lylo with basically perfect information.
Does it make sense? Of course this will depend on parity cop."
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
LS, when did you realize that Sentinel was the rolecopped? Was when he flipped, or was it when someone in the thread said it?
On April 01 2020 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: Done with my ewam and didn't do so good on it and I see Trfel is likely suspect by Rels and GB o.o Also didn't expect Shockeyy to die unless he got rolecopped. Will check the votes to see if it changes anything.
LS, when did you realize that Sentinel was the rolecopped? Was when he flipped, or was it when someone in the thread said it?
You mean when did I realized that shockeyy was rolecopped? Shockeyy died there was no indication that people wouldn't lynch him and was openish to him being lynched.
No, I meant, when did you realize Sentinel was the rolecop? Imeddiately with the night post, or when someone pointed it out?
On April 01 2020 03:33 Trfel wrote: I'm not going to quote the stupid association posts because that would take forever. Instead I'll link to them: GlowingBear's post Rels's post
@GlowingBear, what do you mean by deflecting suspicion of [UoN]Sentinel? Do you mean not knowing his alignment? If so, yes I read [UoN]Sentinel as null/lurking for most of the game, I have a hard time reading into his posts (before the end of day 2) more than that. Holyflare even admitted to reading [UoN]Sentinel as null for his early posts (which, let's be honest, were most of his posts), so I wasn't alone in that.
You just quoted every time I mentioned [UoN]Sentinel, even if I was using his posts to make a point on someone else. You didn't actually read the posts in question. Even the "main point," I clearly explained it by saying that I wanted to see how [UoN]Sentinel's play developed while there were valid reasons to be suspicious of KelsierSC at the time. In retrospect a wrong read, but at the time it was very reasonable.
As for towards the end of Day 2, if I were really mafia and wanted to keep [UoN]Sentinel alive, why would I vote for Palmar? I would have instead coordinated with [UoN]Sentinel and stacked votes on GlowingBear and pushed GlowingBear, that would have been the better play by far. Getting Palmar lynched was a much harder play with a low likelihood of success.
Furthermore, and most importantly to these last points, if I were mafia, I would know [UoN]Sentinel wasn't going to try and save himself, so I would have voted for him and pushed him much sooner to get towncredit. There is absolutely no mafia motivation for what I did, because it would be the absolute stupidest thing for mafia to do there. [UoN]Sentinel didn't try to keep himself alive, I didn't try to keep him alive, there is literally no reason not to get town credit for the lynch there.I can't really speak much to [UoN]Sentinel's posts. Obviously the implication is false, but in particular the last few posts are worthless to look at. [UoN]Sentinel didn't try to save himself, so his posts at that time are WIFOM because it's obvious he's going to die. Of course he would try to set up the last mafia for an easy mislynch or two. You can't look at those posts as anything more than WIFOM.
Deflecting = every time you mentioned him, you preferred to say "I don't like him, but I don't really care, how about this townie who's bad?". Every. Single. Time. You had no reason not vote him immediately day2. Instead you wanted to vote Palmar. You know Palmar COULD be lynched because three townies, Shockey (confirmed), LS (certainly), Rels (probably) were pushing him. When it wasn't getting traction and Sentinel's lynch was certain, you tried to WIFOM town ("omg this lynch is making me uneasy").
Rolecop had no use anymore? Yes. But a Mafia alone today would mean LYLO. He wasn't as expendable as you make it.
Its flipped association. It's not WIFOM, it's evidence. Lots of them. If you're town, I'm sorry, but your posts points out to you being very very Mafia.
On April 01 2020 05:55 Chezinu wrote: YO YO Palmer!
I gotz some sinshine for ya.
It goes like this:
Read rels' filter starting from p5 post #810 until the end of it (#830 is important). See what you did during those two hours other than repeating what you said before?
On April 01 2020 10:33 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, this next question could make me take my vote off of you and switch to Rels. Please answer it very careful and in it's entirety.
Which country are you from?
I have a hard time believing you...
But I'm from the United States of America.
What am I missing?
It seems that the game is quickly eliminating Europeans and I might kill Rels on the ground that he's French
On April 01 2020 10:33 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, this next question could make me take my vote off of you and switch to Rels. Please answer it very careful and in it's entirety.
Which country are you from?
I have a hard time believing you...
But I'm from the United States of America.
What am I missing?
It seems that the game is quickly eliminating Europeans and I might kill Rels on the ground that he's French
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
Ok, I need to actually read this game and play. After reading the game from a decade ago (+ Show Spoiler +
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2
), I laughed so much at my trolls. If only I can troll as before.
Do you know why the Chez doesn't build cases? Chez lynches suspects based on hunches. He doesn't know why he suspects who he suspects. It is not found in his conscious mind.
So, the bear that glows. If you could troll for another day, what would you troll?
I'm killing Trfel and if he flips town I'll kill Rels
It's one of them 100%
Now, if I could troll for another day, I would troll a check
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
Ok, I need to actually read this game and play. After reading the game from a decade ago (+ Show Spoiler +
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2
), I laughed so much at my trolls. If only I can troll as before.
Do you know why the Chez doesn't build cases? Chez lynches suspects based on hunches. He doesn't know why he suspects who he suspects. It is not found in his conscious mind.
So, the bear that glows. If you could troll for another day, what would you troll?
I'm killing Trfel and if he flips town I'll kill Rels
It's one of them 100%
Now, if I could troll for another day, I would troll a check
How are you so sure it's not Palmar? Or LightningStrike, for that matter?
Check my post before deadline. I say why I think they're town and their play has been consistent since I first townread them.
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
Ok, I need to actually read this game and play. After reading the game from a decade ago (+ Show Spoiler +
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2
), I laughed so much at my trolls. If only I can troll as before.
Do you know why the Chez doesn't build cases? Chez lynches suspects based on hunches. He doesn't know why he suspects who he suspects. It is not found in his conscious mind.
So, the bear that glows. If you could troll for another day, what would you troll?
I'm killing Trfel and if he flips town I'll kill Rels
It's one of them 100%
Now, if I could troll for another day, I would troll a check
So are you saying that you would be like Trump whom it is reported that he will troll corona stimulus checks with hi signature... which Trump -> Republican -> red?
So you would do a red thing?
I'd never do a red thing unless the red thing is within me.
If you could paint me with some color, which color would you paint me?
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
Ok, I need to actually read this game and play. After reading the game from a decade ago (+ Show Spoiler +
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2
), I laughed so much at my trolls. If only I can troll as before.
Do you know why the Chez doesn't build cases? Chez lynches suspects based on hunches. He doesn't know why he suspects who he suspects. It is not found in his conscious mind.
So, the bear that glows. If you could troll for another day, what would you troll?
I'm killing Trfel and if he flips town I'll kill Rels
It's one of them 100%
Now, if I could troll for another day, I would troll a check
How are you so sure it's not Palmar? Or LightningStrike, for that matter?
Check my post before deadline. I say why I think they're town and their play has been consistent since I first townread them.
Ah, sorry. Missed that post in the flurry of deadline stuff.
Weren't you one of the people saying that being interested/invested in the game isn't a good metric for people's alignments? What makes the difference in using that metric on LightningStrike as opposed to someone else like Palmar?
I'll have to take a look at Palmar's read on [UoN]Sentinel, that's something I have yet to review.
Uhm, I don't remember saying that? I decided to lynch Kelsier, impulsively, because you've put some effort in the game, and Sentinel died because he wasn't interested? I even scumread Holyflare because he seemed not to be interested in solving the game, but fitting people into narratives only.
I love the Light, because He makes the dark in me become bright.
I love the Light, because He makes me green when I was red.
I love the Light, because He makes me trust Him.
I love the Light, because He is Bright - I mean He is really really smart.
I love the Light, because He lives in me.
I love the Light, because He is brighter than the sunshine or the ray.
I love the Light, because He is my King.
I love the Light, because He is my Father.
I love the Light, because He is my Friend.
I love the Light, because He speaks.
I love the Light, because He makes me dance.
I love the Light, because He makes me sing.
I love the Light, because He lets me troll! - come here fishies!
Officially OPEN!
So true! We are but vessels in the potter's hand. We are brown!!! We still have the red in us that we must overcome! But it is not us but the potter that can make this happen for those by His grace have been given the faith to believe His Message. He molds us through His Word! We are being sanctified in this world. Let His thoughts be our thoughts and our thoughts His thought. Let Him fill us with His Spirit! It is finished. Who can stop the Potter? Not one. Therefore, we shall be made perfect for those who believe in His Message. How great it is to be in the Potter's hand!
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
I did promise a case lol, that's actually a good town meta tell for me I would have done it 100% as scum. I would have gotten a Trfel lynch easy as scum in this game lol
Oh joy, the wonders of self meta ^^ What is this game devolving into...
Time to sheep the Chezinu?
Better watch out. Last time town followed the Chez. They got two mafias lynched back to back and one mafia killed by vigi. That was over ten years ago...
Since then, the house of brown developed into a fine investigation office known throughout the world
Ok, I need to actually read this game and play. After reading the game from a decade ago (+ Show Spoiler +
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/105463-mini-mafia-2
), I laughed so much at my trolls. If only I can troll as before.
Do you know why the Chez doesn't build cases? Chez lynches suspects based on hunches. He doesn't know why he suspects who he suspects. It is not found in his conscious mind.
So, the bear that glows. If you could troll for another day, what would you troll?
I'm killing Trfel and if he flips town I'll kill Rels
It's one of them 100%
Now, if I could troll for another day, I would troll a check
So are you saying that you would be like Trump whom it is reported that he will troll corona stimulus checks with hi signature... which Trump -> Republican -> red?
So you would do a red thing?
I'd never do a red thing unless the red thing is within me.
If you could paint me with some color, which color would you paint me?
So true,
Only red things come out of the one with red things in him. Just as green things come out of the one with green things within him. We need the Light to see what color the things are that come out of the things. Who has the eyes to see?
All eyes are there to see, but not all eyes sees what it is there to be seen. Some eyes are painted red; others are painted green. What's the difference from these to those who are blind? At least the blind sees with the heart, and the heart is all we have to see.
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
My Teddy Bear Friend, you may be able to troll a check after all!! LET'S DO THIS HOUSE OF BROWN!!! I KNOW THE BROWN IS IN YOU!!!!
RAWRR!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO WAY
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE LIGHT HAS SPOKEN, CHEZ!!
##Unvote ##Vote: Rels
Is it a April Fools day vote or is it a serious vote and if serious why?
It's a serious vote. Reason:
Do you have an actual case of why Rels is scum?
I've read what Chezinu said about Rels and I think he could be scum. I think Trfel is worse but I really want Rels to be scum after those images Chez brought.
Check my close to deadline post and you'll see I wasn't very confident Rels is town.
I asked the Light... through the Google... I asked about me... I did not receive an answer it seems... But then I asked about Rels and I did receive an answer...
My Teddy Bear Friend, you may be able to troll a check after all!! LET'S DO THIS HOUSE OF BROWN!!! I KNOW THE BROWN IS IN YOU!!!!
RAWRR!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO WAY
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE LIGHT HAS SPOKEN, CHEZ!!
##Unvote ##Vote: Rels
Is it a April Fools day vote or is it a serious vote and if serious why?
It's a serious vote. Reason:
Do you have an actual case of why Rels is scum?
I've read what Chezinu said about Rels and I think he could be scum. I think Trfel is worse but I really want Rels to be scum after those images Chez brought.
Check my close to deadline post and you'll see I wasn't very confident Rels is town.
Unless you think Chez is Mafia?
wait I thought you were trolling with your vote. What do you mean, after those images? Is there a hidden case that I missed?
He asked the Light via Google, and the Light answered your color: red
On April 02 2020 09:24 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, question: how's your read on Palmar now?
I don't know. I've been busy, I haven't had a chance to re-evaluate yet. It would be mafia, except he was suspicious of [UoN]Sentinel early on and people have pointed to that as a reason to townread Palmar.
I need to look into that myself and see how much truth and weight it holds. I'm hoping to do so later tonight.
On April 02 2020 09:32 Rels wrote: If Palmar is also not trolling, his vote on me makes me uneasy. It doesn't match the "game is simple" mindset of earlier. Would explain the Vivax NK too.
But the fact that Trfel doesn't see that and continue his Palmar push, but instead takes the opportunity of jumping on me when people are voting me ... lol. 99% scum.
I'm not scumreading you. But I might, if you keep attacking me with zero reason just because people are suspecting you.
Palmar's play does look kinda bad though. At least he voted for Rels early on, before it was known that GlowingBear and Chezinu would agree, but it does seem to come out of nowhere and had no explanation.
Gotta look into that later.
Trfel I don't know, man. I read everything you post and it always comes awkward to me. I don't think you're not reading the game, and you are in fact putting a bit of effort. But the only thoughts that sounds original are the ones you've wrote about Palmar, one of your scum reads since day1. The rest, you just seem to react when it's convenient. If you're town, I'm sorry, but that's how it feels to me.
Every post you say you're confused. Every town is, especially in a game like this one. I have at least one reason to suspect each player in the game. That's part of it. But I don't see you going after someone you think it's really scummy.
The only one I'd expect you to go after is Palmar. But when chez posts something about Rels, you decide he is the best shot, when your main scumread is voting him. Also, a huge part of the case on Rels is flipped association with Sentinel. Which is the exact same reason we scum read you and you said it was stupid.
I don't really think you believe in what you're saying every time you post
On April 02 2020 09:24 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, question: how's your read on Palmar now?
I don't know. I've been busy, I haven't had a chance to re-evaluate yet. It would be mafia, except he was suspicious of [UoN]Sentinel early on and people have pointed to that as a reason to townread Palmar.
I need to look into that myself and see how much truth and weight it holds. I'm hoping to do so later tonight.
On April 02 2020 09:32 Rels wrote: If Palmar is also not trolling, his vote on me makes me uneasy. It doesn't match the "game is simple" mindset of earlier. Would explain the Vivax NK too.
But the fact that Trfel doesn't see that and continue his Palmar push, but instead takes the opportunity of jumping on me when people are voting me ... lol. 99% scum.
I'm not scumreading you. But I might, if you keep attacking me with zero reason just because people are suspecting you.
Palmar's play does look kinda bad though. At least he voted for Rels early on, before it was known that GlowingBear and Chezinu would agree, but it does seem to come out of nowhere and had no explanation.
Gotta look into that later.
Trfel I don't know, man. I read everything you post and it always comes awkward to me. I don't think you're not reading the game, and you are in fact putting a bit of effort. But the only thoughts that sounds original are the ones you've wrote about Palmar, one of your scum reads since day1. The rest, you just seem to react when it's convenient. If you're town, I'm sorry, but that's how it feels to me.
Every post you say you're confused. Every town is, especially in a game like this one. I have at least one reason to suspect each player in the game. That's part of it. But I don't see you going after someone you think it's really scummy.
The only one I'd expect you to go after is Palmar. But when chez posts something about Rels, you decide he is the best shot, when your main scumread is voting him. Also, a huge part of the case on Rels is flipped association with Sentinel. Which is the exact same reason we scum read you and you said it was stupid.
I don't really think you believe in what you're saying every time you post
Again, I'M NOT GOING AFTER RELS!!!
Trfel, I'll take a step back and assume you're 100% town, so we can have a conversation without me thinking you're trying to trick me.
Now, let's also assume Mafia could've bussed Sentinel or not, in which case votecount isn't helpful.
Trying to make associations with filters won't help either, since both you and Rels had suspicious posts regarding Sentinel, and you can't both be Mafia.
We will have to rely solely on how people have been playing.
Who is most likely scum, solely for how they have been playing?
Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that. The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown.
On April 02 2020 23:02 Palmar wrote: I genuinely think Chez made a really good case for killing Rels.
I am sticking with that.
Hi Palmar,
Could you please explain Chez case? TBH, I don't really get it. I just want google to be right.
I had a ray of thought. It goes like this:
I dont think rels' defense is valid. Its true he probably could have made a case on trfel and even get him lynched d2 but actually bussing sentinel who already apparently did his job n1 is the best play for anyone who is mafia. Sentinel is gonna get lynched anyways, if not d2 then d3. So why not gain town credit while he can? The incriminatimg part is that when there is only one mafia left, rels is sure trfel is the last mafia and STILL hasnt made the "sure mafia" case, other than that what sentinel has posted. And thats bull. When people think they found they are proud of it and want other people to know it, i mean as town. Rels isnt. "Why would i do that as mafia" doesnt cut it because i dont care, as i dont know what mafia "would" do other than that what i would do. Rels isnt acting like a townie should, before or after sentinel flip.
Mr Brown, it was Palmar's duty to say this :/ I disagree with the bus. If that's the case, then I could've bussed, Palmar could've bussed, everyone could've bussed. So this shouldn't be taken into account.
But I agree that if Rels is Mafia, it's better do let Sentinel be lynched instead of convincing other person is Mafia. But the same could be said about Trfel. What's the difference between them?
On April 03 2020 00:54 Palmar wrote: Also, Rels's day 1 entrance was much less forced than Trfel's. There's a certain stiffness in Trfel's tone that just sounds off.
Palmar, just read the quotes I've brought from Trfel and there's nothing more compelling than that
On April 03 2020 01:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know what is the correct play.
To accept Trfel is town I have to believe he's lazy, and incredibly bad at mafia. No one spends this much effort being wrong in mafia game.
But then again, if he's mafia why does he think it's a bright idea to just hammer a post full of bullshit after another full of bullshit my way.
Palmar, I don't think Trfel has been lazy day2. But I believe he is putting effort because he knows this could possibly make me and LS townread him.
But it's just effort for the sake of town cred. See, you were his top scum. Naturally, he would be trying to convince us you're Mafia here and go full throttle against you. But the moment someone brings suspicions on Rels, voila, there's a post commenting that Rels might be Mafia but in not sure oops
He's never bold anytime in this game. He didn't want to lunch Sentinel day2 until he was certainly the lynch. But he even tried to WIFOM town ("i'm feeling uneasy" post) near deadline, possibly expecting me or LS to make another shenanigans.
He's never, ever, trying to lead a lynch on anyone. He is always on the background. He says a lot of things but does not stick to them.
In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before. Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia. ggnore
oh actually that is this Chez case
This is a surprisingly townie post.
this is townie too lol. I would expect you to continue preparing my lynch tomorrow if you're scum
On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that. The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown.
Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it.
Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense.
I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it.
If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated
On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that. The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown.
Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it.
Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel?
I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners.
It's not the fact that he did it, that makes sense as mafia but could come from town. It's the way that he does it that makes no sense, regardless of [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. That is the suspicious part.
Does that make sense? I can try to word it differently if not.
You see, I disagree that it doesn't make sense. He was pressuring Palmar, got a response, went to kill someone that could surely be Mafia. I think it makes total sense
On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense.
I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it.
If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated
No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free.
On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote: Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that. The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown.
Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it.
Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel?
I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners.
It's not the fact that he did it, that makes sense as mafia but could come from town. It's the way that he does it that makes no sense, regardless of [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. That is the suspicious part.
Does that make sense? I can try to word it differently if not.
You see, I disagree that it doesn't make sense. He was pressuring Palmar, got a response, went to kill someone that could surely be Mafia. I think it makes total sense
Lemme copy paste this again.
I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
*I know he said he just voted for Palmar as a pressure vote. Palmar made a list post with little to no reasoning. Rels found it to be towny (how?) and also qualified this as Palmar playing the game (I strongly disagree, he showed barely any effort or thought).
The point in the asterisk is key. Rels had no reason to let up, he still has failed to explain why that post would affect anything in his reads.
That's where we disagree. I think his list post was slightly townie for how original and bold it was. Mafia usually don't play so carefree like that. Which is why I think his vote switch is perfectly fine. That's not the reason Rels should be scumread IMHO
On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense.
I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it.
If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated
No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free.
I doubt it'll matter at this point, but I appreciate the thought and consideration. Thank you.
Remember this for when I die.
Sure I'm tired of losing for people that keeps saying they aren't interested in playing but somehow manages to survive. Palmar repeatedly said he isn't reading the game.
On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense.
I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it.
If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated
No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free.
I'm sorry Trfel. I can't go to day4 with you in the game.
If you're town, I'm so, so sorry. Although I can see you coming from town perspective, there are so, so many things that poitns out to you being mafia that I cannot ignore and just believe you're town.
If you go to day4 alive you will be discussed AGAIN. And mafia WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE. I can't do this, I'm sorry.
On April 03 2020 02:56 GlowingBear wrote: I'm sorry Trfel. I can't go to day4 with you in the game.
If you're town, I'm so, so sorry. Although I can see you coming from town perspective, there are so, so many things that poitns out to you being mafia that I cannot ignore and just believe you're town.
If you go to day4 alive you will be discussed AGAIN. And mafia WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE. I can't do this, I'm sorry.
But in case you do flip town, I promise I'll read the game in its entirety and pay lots of attention to what you've brought. Okay?
Don't be mad, it's just that the evidence is so, so strong...
"Unfortunately players haven't been making huge lists or talking about townreads too much, so trying to kill the cop's Night 1 target is really really hard
I will assume that my /m73 question is that the cop does get a result until I hear back. Hosts, if you see this please confirm though?
GlowingBear wouldn't say anything if he were the cop I believe, I believe he realizes that the game is solved when the cop claims (because Day 3 is definitely the right time for the cop to claim), but the only way mafia has a chance is by killing the cop. GlowingBear should know this, so I don't think he's the cop, I think he's trying to take a shot.
Leaves Rels, ShoCkeyy, and maybe Chezinu... Honestly I'm really really really tempted to go with ShoCkeyy here. Increased involvement and desire to play from his previous games, it all checks out. Plus he's actually a decent N2 cop check (when they're going for a scummy player) so even if he's not the cop it's not the end of the world.
On April 03 2020 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: "I think main thign to watch now is what Trfel thinks of us. Day 1 we wanted to save both him and Kelsier, and lynch GB or Sentinel. D2 we wanted to lynch GB or Sentinel (where we voted doesn't really matter here). For Trfel we should be 100% town because we are doing very townie things assuming he is town and GB is ??? . So basically, if he calls us mafia then i think he is mafia."
"yeah he said "they feel kinda town but need to re-evaluate" ä
"yeah, i still his response is mild somehow"
Sadly i never got to investogate this further lol... well or pretty much anything. gg and the google reads were a total blast, i laughed so hard with chezinu yesterday hahaha^^
Totally, Chezinu made this thread brighter with the Light
On April 03 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i googled both "troll check" into bot sentinel and "Light what color is rels" into red first hits. It was so funny :D
I wanted to believe so much that Rels would flip red.
On April 03 2020 03:13 ShoCkeyy wrote: My harassing of townies helped I guess funny enough, my first check was Palmar, then I checked Trfel only to find out he fucking shot me LOL
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote: To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant
But okay.
My assessment is that especially when there is only one mafia left, if there is a person looking like they are sure someone is mafia, they would want to be proud and happy to present the reasons (especially after saying they have a big case aka a lot of reasons) why the said last mafia is mafia. Instead of going like "heyyyy! this game is over this dude is scum because 1,2,3,4 etc..." what Rels did was that he took some Sentinel's posts (what some mafia dude said pretty much never makes anyone anything, because mafia can say anything they want about townies/scumbuddies and it's all wifom.
When i read Rels' "case" i was like, "really dude, how about something Trfel posted and not someone else"? Furthermore the "what Trfel posted" never happened after. It is at best terrible town play imo, and i think i would lynch that kind of play 100 times out of 100 even if i know townies can do that. Also instead of doing what he promised (case), he defended with something like "it's not a good play for me as mafia to blablabla..." which is bullshit, just like you calling yourself the towniest town ever after you were almost lynched and your vote didn't mean shit tbh..
I disagree and I said in-game why. I understand what you're saying, I even voted Rels because of that too, but if you think about it, it's not really a strong reason to lynch someone solely because of it. Especially when Trfel made something even worse.
I almost got lynched because one vote was from Holyflare, the other one was from Mafia, and finally, the last one was from Chez who decided I was mafia because I said he scum claimed on the first page of day1 lol.
On April 03 2020 05:17 GlowingBear wrote: To be fair, Rels not making the case isn't anything relevant
But okay.
My assessment is that especially when there is only one mafia left, if there is a person looking like they are sure someone is mafia, they would want to be proud and happy to present the reasons (especially after saying they have a big case aka a lot of reasons) why the said last mafia is mafia. Instead of going like "heyyyy! this game is over this dude is scum because 1,2,3,4 etc..." what Rels did was that he took some Sentinel's posts (what some mafia dude said pretty much never makes anyone anything, because mafia can say anything they want about townies/scumbuddies and it's all wifom.
When i read Rels' "case" i was like, "really dude, how about something Trfel posted and not someone else"? Furthermore the "what Trfel posted" never happened after. It is at best terrible town play imo, and i think i would lynch that kind of play 100 times out of 100 even if i know townies can do that. Also instead of doing what he promised (case), he defended with something like "it's not a good play for me as mafia to blablabla..." which is bullshit, just like you calling yourself the towniest town ever after you were almost lynched and your vote didn't mean shit tbh..
I disagree and I said in-game why. I understand what you're saying, I even voted Rels because of that too, but if you think about it, it's not really a strong reason to lynch someone solely because of it. Especially when Trfel made something even worse.
Maybe not in mini-games. I understand you, but when i play mafia and i am town i hate wasting my game on lynching random lurkers because they are most likely to be mafia (what Palmar said D1 about "how to play mafia as town" kinda thing). Also Palmar is wrong about me complaining that "mafia played like mafia", that's never what i said after the big game, i just dont find it a good use of my time when 20 people are not playing properly to lynch them in random order just to not to get play and argue properly and then get killed. Well that's why i don't play mafia anymore, i think it is a waste of time when there are people who don't play, or when the game is good people get themselves modkilled.
I almost got lynched because one vote was from Holyflare, the other one was from Mafia, and finally, the last one was from Chez who decided I was mafia because I said he scum claimed on the first page of day1 lol.
I guess I'll listen to Vivax more often
Yeah that was a really dumb post of yours, but that's not why either of us scumread you. Not scummy, just incredibly dumb and NAI.
The bolded is true. I was used to 100, 150, 200 pages of game. This game was a bit frustrating. :/ But I believe we had an okay game?
I know it was a stupid post, I thought people was used to my early day1 stuff. Anyway. Why did you scumread me?
I delight in you. Thank you for the teddy with his dark brown eyes, which emit yellow sparkles of golden shine among me at night. The others have decided that I'm worth keeping around. They said me trolls checks were funny. I believe I'm going to leave this quarantine now. I heard there is Yummy Clobber to be eaten. I will invite teddy along and see if we can venture to this new land filled with clobber!
Best,
The Essence within You
Far thee well, Mr. Potter. I hope we can have some pottery together soon enough. Not sure what the land is, but I believe those clobbers might be covered in blood? Blood as red as RELs.
On April 03 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote: Was a hard game for mafia thanks to pleasant early interactions between townies and small game size. LS + Rels felt like an easy read. Sentinel's entry quoting the day post was really telling for his 'cba to read other players' attitude and Trfel put in a nice effort but overall looked too much like he was rather trying to be appreciated. Kudos for the effort though, I guess you could try to look more stubborn and selfish, although I'm not a good idea for a scum coach
I don't know what GB was smoking when he went after HF. Maybe there's a history. But it's ok now.
I only thought he was Mafia. There's no history. I don't understand why I've got into his nerves. I was just playing and I don't remember being rude. Anyway, I hope he is okay.
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