On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
On March 31 2020 05:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh god, another day to wait for night actions.... with rolecop out, the game seems so close to ending, but yet so far if we mislynch tomorrow.
What would you say if I said you're the last Mafia?
I'd deny it since I'm a town, so there's no way I'm the last mafia.
Ironclad defense
There's no other possible defense I can give that will make you believe I'm town if you already think I'm mafia unless I die tonight and flip town.
I was being sincere.
Anyway, we all know that I'm dying today. I may not be brilliant finding mafia, but I'm surely top town
If you do die, then how will you solve the game?
If I don't, someone will. It's not really hard at this point
Can you point a direction?
I'll write a close to deadline post talking about it, don't worry
On March 31 2020 23:32 LightningStrike wrote: BlaIzingHand's logic of "He doing townie things therefore he's scum" logic:
On April 23 2012 04:24 BlazingJitsu wrote: By far Marv's best and most useful post, almost certainly made in response to my renewed vigour in my case against him. As you can see, he's only willing to post just above whatever bar I set for him in order to appear townie when he is in fact scum.
On December 06 2013 06:54 Chezinu wrote: Oh and the Chezinu states that if someone, who is a new player and never played with Chezinu before, claims Chezinu is scum. Then said player is mafia. It has a 100% success rate, which is illogical hilarious.. or is it logical? I cannot recall how many times this rule has taken into effect, but I know it is more than just a few. It all started with Blazinghand.
I'm not a new player and I've played with you more than once your rule doesn't apply. Especially because I've just said you've scum claimed just to have something to talk about, not really going against you.
Which is a relief since I would destroy the Chez rule
On April 01 2020 02:08 LightningStrike wrote: I wont be here at EoN so incase I die: Check who might be mafia on the KSC wagon from Day 1 unless you think it's Rels or any of the solo voters.
?
This makes no sense. Why would me Mafia certainly on KSC wagon other than Sentinel?
On April 01 2020 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: But for real check either Rels or one of the solo voters left for the last mafia only because Rels isn't flipped so we don't know if the Trfel wagon is pure town or the last mafia is in the solo voters given we had a bad Day 1.
It's simple
If Trfel is town, mafia didn't care after mid day1. They could vote anyone.
On March 26 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: Hi all, thanks for being willing to help me out of my boredom and nothingness and play some mafia!
I'm pretty happy with Vivax as town, no?
I agree with the read is there anything else you want to talk about?
I don't really see much of note currently. Interested by Holyflare voting for [UoN]Sentinel but I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment myself. Anything you want to talk about?
Bringing suspicion on Sentinel early day1 (he doesn't follow it):
On March 26 2020 07:04 Holyflare wrote: Time to vote Sentinel. Struggles with thread entrance, copies my nonchalant-ness to LS. Reads fake, easy mafia.
##vote Sentinel
"I'm voting for you because you did what I did"
That's not how you start a wagon silly
You did exactly what I did directly after me. It wasn't original or funny, it was just a mimic of someone who is town in an attempt to blend in. Everything you have done is neither constructive nor helpful. Even this quoted post doesn't construct a read, nor does it evaluate anything else in the thread or about my alignment or anyone elses.
You are mafia, simple as that.
is this what you really feel about sent, or is it strongly worded to make the game move?
Who am I voting for?
It's probably the latter, Rels
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
This post makes no sense at all. Why are you voting for yourself if you think Holyflare's push is only to get the game started and not what he really thinks?!
Deflection 2, while also ignoring his own suspicions on Sentinel:
On March 26 2020 15:10 Trfel wrote: Holyflare's points on KelsierSC make sense to me. I also don't understand why KelsierSC thinks LightningStrike is town after repeatedly saying all of his reads are bad. Feels really arbitrary.
However I also don't understand why Holyflare calls out [UoN]Sentinel specifically for not scumreading KelsierSC when he later says that [UoN]Sentinel's alignment doesn't affect his case on KelsierSC? I'm very confused by this.
Deflection 3, MAIN ONE, he brings suspicions on Sentinel but doesn't really care for him?
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Still at work, I'll re-evaluate all my reads in a few hours and try to get reads on all the other players by end of niht.
@[UoN]Sentinel, any updates on when you'll provide those reads as promised?
I don't care much for [UoN]Sentinel but there's really nothing in his filter. It's just a giant blob of nothing... I could mayyyyybe understand his lack of thread presence as laziness while his target was being lynched* but there is absolutely no excuse for what he has done Day 2 (or lack thereof).
But I'm hesitant. Maybe it's stupid of me, but I'm hesitant because I can't really say why he is mafia (his activity is awful but that just makes him a lurker policy lynch). But literally everyone is scumreading him. That always makes me really nervous. I feel like mafia wouldn't let a member go down without a fight. And without solid reasons against him, I don't really like lynching him right now. I think what he does towards the End of Day 2 will be very informative for his alignment.
* Key difference here on why Palmar is so suspicious. Palmar's target wasn't being lynched, and he didn't care and did very little. In [UoN]Sentinel's case, his target was being lynched, so there was nothing to do.
Deflection 5. Trying way too hard to not have Sentinel lynched:
On March 30 2020 11:33 Trfel wrote: Rels, care to respond to my post earlier this page to you?
GlowingBear, that's not why I am suspicious of Palmar. In short, Palmar doesn't care what happens, who gets lynched, or who is mafia, and I believe that makes him likely mafia. I'll see if I can explain it better later tonight when I am on a computer.
I'm not sure he doesn't care, he is voting his scum read accordingly. If we lynch everyone who apparently isn't caring in this game, we would have to lynch half of the player list
I think I get what you're saying, but the key difference is his scum read isn't getting lynched.
And looking at Palmar's filter again I noticed something more.
On March 27 2020 22:07 Palmar wrote: I think we should lynch shockeyy over sentinel KSC?
How do you feel about this?
I liked what I read from shockeyy , so not for it.
Why would you want to?
He got mad when I called him mafia and felt it was random, yet until that point in the game he had done nothing except vote for Blazinhand? Feels oversensitive.
His first two posts in the game were both excuses even when bunch of people weren't even in the thread. He was telling us how he was totally not just afk, just doing something else.
He made some weird association between me and holyflare.
He has done very, very minimal amount of work for town.
On March 28 2020 02:16 Palmar wrote: It's a bad idea to lynch HF at the moment.
He is never going to be a lurky shit scum. He's going to be loud and controversial through the game. If by day 2-3 he hasn't done anything useful or been right on anything we just kill him.
We need to take out the background trash on day 1, that is how you play day 1.
Shockeyy has done literally nothing except making some excuses and throwing some random shit around. Hell even the fact that he's a late voter is a tiny mafia tell.
Murder him.
On March 29 2020 20:54 Palmar wrote: I’ll kill shockeyy as well
On March 29 2020 20:51 Palmar wrote: Seems like a good day to kill sentinel
(note: excluding list posts and scum pools where both were listed equally)
I recommend looking at Palmar's filter yourself to see it in chronological order.
But basically, there's a big jump in focus from ShoCkeyy to [UoN]Sentinel with no reason. What changed to make him less suspicious of ShoCkeyy? Seemingly nothing. What changed to make him more suspicious of [UoN]Sentinel? All Palmar says is that his filter is terrible, and since he hasn't posted that hasn't really changed at all between Day 1 and Day 2.
Palmar seems like a better and better lynch the more I look at it.
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FINALLY decides to vote Sentinel:
On March 31 2020 02:16 Trfel wrote: We waited so long, for this?
Honestly I'm quite disappointed. Very happy to kill [UoN]Sentinel after that.
Voting to consolidate. Still don't like Palmar.
BUT:
On March 31 2020 02:48 Trfel wrote: So little activity going into the deadline, makes me so uneasy...
On March 31 2020 02:48 Trfel wrote: So little activity going into the deadline, makes me so uneasy...
Activity is fine considering the active players?
I just feel like if [UoN]Sentinel is mafia there should be more going on right now, no? Either more of a counterpush or more of a push on him as a bus.
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
True. Sentinel can't even paint Trfel as either scum or town rofl
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote: Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?
HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Rationale for GB:
- Votes Trfel - Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched - Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot - Oops KSC is town
Could've been a mistake but: - Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on - Oops HF is modkilled - I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something
GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.
Actually, at the time he pushed me, I was the second wagon. 2 votes on me were guaranteed. It was his best bet, unless Trfel could push Palmar with you leading it.
On March 27 2020 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok time to be more serious
HF's case on KSC is solid and I can't find any real counters to it and Kelsier's reaction has been a resounding "pls no bully". HF is definitely town and KSC is probably scum. I say probably only because he might reappear in the thread and defend himself. But scummy enough that I can put my real vote on him.
The Trfel case was... bad. To me it looks more like grasping at straws and bad town rather than a scum play though. But:
On March 27 2020 09:42 Trfel wrote: I don't like voting early on Day 1, I'd rather wait for more information to come out. My vote will be there by the deadline, don't worry about it.
I never know what to think of Holyflare.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
Granted I wasn't here and neither were half the players but the wishy-washiness of the last paragraph is suspicious. Is KSC + Palmar the scumteam? Neither of whom has shown up for a while?
I have 5 reads and in order of towniness they're me > HF > ShoCkeyy > Trfel > KSC. The reason I don't want to mark Trfel as red just yet is because his case on Palmar does strike me as a town attempt and because there's a good chance one or two mafia are lurking.
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 28 2020 00:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 27 2020 18:19 Vivax wrote: Why is HF 'definitely town', and why is Trfel's last line wishy-washy, in your own words?
HF is town because he's spent Day 1 getting others to show up in the thread and post defenses, at which point he can write a book on all the different universes in which they're town or scum and why that's important. I like the pressure on me and Trfel and keeping Rels honest. His case on KSC and follow-up pressure is consistent and logical enough for me to believe it's a genuine case vs. looking for the worst player in the thread at any given moment.
I don't really care much about [UoN]Sentinel at the moment. He hasn't posted much and the little he has posted contains a forced-feeling self-vote. I'm holding back judgement for now though, he may have some sort of explanation. I'd much rather kill KelsierSC than [UoN]Sentinel at this point, especially if KelsierSC isn't coming back. There are actual reasons to scumread KelsierSC, I greatly prefer that to [UoN]Sentinel, who is largely a question mark.
You can get rid of all the bolded bits and lose nothing. But more importantly it gives Trfel enough wiggle room if one of us (i.e. me) flips town. And if both of us are town all along and he's scum then he's already ahead. But, especially given the top two targets of suspicion at the time were KSC and me, the quoted paragraph is a great example of being in the thread without contributing anything to it.
Trfel is suspicious.
On March 28 2020 02:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Checking up on the thread although at work so won't have the time to do any deep dives until night. For now I'm considering GB's case on HF and thinking how much sense it makes.
I would prefer KSC get lynched but Trfel is a pretty close second. He hasn't shown up and I can lynch him on the same logic I don't like KSC for.
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is KSC.
On March 31 2020 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Going to say
Town = HF > Rels > Shockey > Palmar > LS > Trfel > GB = Scum
##Vote: GlowingBear
Trfel is suspicious, but my main target is GB.
On March 31 2020 01:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Rationale for GB:
- Votes Trfel - Switches to HF when Trfel is actually going to be lynched - Switches to KSC when HF has no chance of being lynched in Trfel's spot - Oops KSC is town
Could've been a mistake but: - Back to attacking HF while nothing else is going on - Oops HF is modkilled - I guess I'll uh lynch a lurker or something
GB is scum because he's protecting his scum teammate Trfel. But I will push GB anyway, even though there is no way GB is lynched instead of Trfel given the thread sentiment.
Actually, at the time he pushed me, I was the second wagon. 2 votes on me were guaranteed. It was his best bet, unless Trfel could push Palmar with you leading it.
That was the vote situation, but noone was ever switching to you given what they had said earlier. On the other hand, a lot of people were ready to vote Trfel if he suddenly became obvious town.
I understand what you're saying but I don't believe that's what Sentinel thought atm.
BTW this is the post I’ve prepared for deadline. But I’ve filter dived a little bit (I can’t do much because I’m working) and finally decided it’s Trfel. But here it is for thoughts:
"I think Shockey may be the last mafia for the reason he kept swaying votes from Sentinel on day1 without actually calling him town. You are invited to check his filter.
Unless Palmar decided to bus Sentinel early in the day, he is town. I don’t believe he would try to vote Sentinel when he could go after anyone else, especially Shockey. He’s probably dying this night, especially if Shockey is mafia. Anyway, I’ve tried to WIFOM mafia and having them shooting me, so Palmar can live, and the parity cop, whoever he is.
LS is certainly town. I firmly believe that. He is interested in the game. Don’t lynch him.
Rels COULD be mafia because he was also a bit reluctant to lynch Sentinel. Although his vote on Sentinel day2 says otherwise. I don’t think his play is bad, but is has been a bit uninspiring too. Should be considered town, but with care.
Trfel is a bit worse, he kept trying to lynch Palmar instead, and also didn’t was reluctant to talk about Sentinel .It also took a bit until he finally gave up on not lynching Sentinel on day2.
Chez is a question mark but it’s already day3 and he has been unhelpful. I wouldn’t care having him lynched since we have no reason to trust him.
Now, if parity cops survive this night and decided to check between any of “Trfel, Rels, Chez and Shockey” tonight, we will have either a confirmed town or a confirmed mafia. And if parity cop is between these, game is solved. We have one mislynch left and if parity cop survives he could just claim near deadline of night3, telling us his results. We reach lylo with basically perfect information.
Does it make sense? Of course this will depend on parity cop."
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your rule doesn't apply. Especially because I've just said you've scum claimed just to have something to talk about, not really going against you.
