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On July 16 2019 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote: My monthly TL check has led me here following an odd inbox message. Whass all dis We're bringing TL mafia back! | ||
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On July 21 2019 22:49 Revelator wrote: /in make sure to post a few times a new account will be restricted to a certain number of posts in a period of time | ||
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 the us pol thread | ||
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how about we get some activity | ||
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I'm at work and kinda forgot about the game because of how boring it was. Glad you guys didn't leave much for me to read 🙃 | ||
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Didn't like your immediate attack on hf when I interpreted hfs entrance as jokey. Easy townreads on me often come from scum this has no basis in evidence just something I've noticed | ||
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On July 24 2019 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: it is very clear that's not what his entrance was. you have surely read it when you made a read on me based on that argument so why did you completely miss the point of his entrance? Couldn't tell you | ||
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I don't have a reason for why I took hfs post differently from the way you took it | ||
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On July 24 2019 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: right. do you have a erad on hf and/or vivax FF? Vivax town by virtue of his having posted at all at this point in the game. I haven't gone back to reread hfs entry since you told me i may be mistaken on the tone so idk | ||
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On July 24 2019 02:45 NoSmurfHere wrote: FF lynching lurkers in very small games is probably worse, no? When you're in a game of this size and there's loads of people not posting there's probably mafia in there, right? So.... You forgive rayn for wanting to lynch you because you think lynching lurkers in a 13 player game is good, especially when there are multiple people not talking, compared to a smaller game. I disagree with your reasoning because a lurker is always a random lynch regardless of player count or amount of lurkers. In fact, in a game with multiple lurkers mafia theoretically has a much easier time since just posting anything excludes you from the lurkers. The reason I asked about your thought process is I think you saying you think it's ok for rayn to have wanted to lynch you is scummy because you know you don't want to be on rayns bad side when he's town and you're mafia. Your explanation seemed made up on the spot because with any real effort put into an analysis of lurker lynches it becomes immediately apparent that it's essentially the same as going to random.org and lynching whoever you randomly pick. | ||
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I've only played with a vivax who afks completely as scum. If he doesn't post more obviously my townread evaporates | ||
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On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move. J In case it wasn't clear i think this is bullshit. Wow that was easier to type than a 3 paragraph stream of consciousness | ||
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On July 24 2019 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: i was talking about hf, i think you had me as mafia for what you now say i was "right" on calling hf scum for (even when backing off of it)? Not sure what you mean | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ahh intelligent conversation, this is nice. The Hydra: I liked this post here This is almost exactly how I was feeling about the game at this point although I think they are being incredibly lenient on HF. Hydras are tough to read by nature so I understand how the reflex response would be to want them gone quickly however not only do I think there are better targets, at least one of the heads is seeing things in a similar light to me. Vivax: He soft townreads rayn and dislikes Coag's first post. He doesn't have a lot of activity but what he does have I agree with. Which stands in sharp contrast to the final person. FF: Aside from the spam which is annoying, FF has a few early posts which stick out: Similarly to what I said I didn't like about HF, I hate people who passive aggressively complain about thread atmosphere. The tone is also incredibly wishy washy. WIFOM Pointless suspicion with no supporting evidence. Easily answered spam question. His only real substantial post is about....... drum roll.... lynching lurkers. Which is always a super easy topic for scum to discuss because it doesn't require calling anybody out based on evidence, and usually ends up with a townie lynch. My only substantial post in which I call out the hydra for lying is all about lynching lurkers to you because you didn't really read my posts in context you went to my filter with the intention of calling me scum 2 scum down and i just got home | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:57 Eywa- wrote: Well, at least we agree on something. You're wrong on Coag though, I think he's just Mafiascum town. I meant that to be a question to coag oops | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:57 Eywa- wrote: Also wrong on Rayn, he's definitely scum. lol Sounds like you have a lot of info lol. | ||
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As tubesock said I'm still in my mafia range but you address me as if you're sure that I'm town already. Do you disagree with tubesock or are you basing your, assumed strong based on your tone, townread on things I've said so far in this game? | ||
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On July 24 2019 09:01 Eywa- wrote: You're telling me that you read Rayn's posts and go "Oh shit, this guy seems town?" Gimme a break. Gasp! The tone shifts.... | ||
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On July 24 2019 09:04 Eywa- wrote: I never said you're lock town. I said you're not in the lynch pool for today. These are two very different statements. Seems obvious that you're not a good day 1 lynch... Or do you disagree? Yeah I disagree. If I'm not in the lynch pool how will mafia be tempted to try and lynch me? I will note that I said I based my assumption of your townread on me on your tone, not on the words you assume I read | ||
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On July 24 2019 09:08 Coagulation wrote: Im town. Obviosly I would say this even if I was scum so im not sure what you are looking for. I can post my town seal but the last game i played here I posted it while I was scum cause I knew it would be my last time playing so I wanted to cash in on it before I quit. Hark! Yon Coagulation hath responded to a jest in a manner which invites ridicule! | ||
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On July 24 2019 09:10 Eywa- wrote: *Shrug* I'll observe how you play, but for now I think Rayn and Meapak are better options. Agree on meapak if that wasn't clear | ||
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On July 23 2019 15:03 Tubesock wrote: This has been my jam for awhile. Not much on the metal screaming, but I would like the karaoke version of most of them. I forgot to respond to this. I love a good 10 minute stoner ass guitar song, thank you. first an instrumental from a band that very much uses "metal screaming" I think you'd enjoy: Second, at what point does a sing become a scream? Is this just a gruff singing voice? I'd like to think we can agree that this is not screaming at least. + Show Spoiler + What about this? I imagine the chorus could be a scream, but I'm talking about the verses. + Show Spoiler + Now, this song is where I believe you would consider it 'metal screaming' but I would like to know why. The lyrics are completely understandable and the tone of voice is harmonious with the notes played on the instruments. + Show Spoiler + Also uh If you don;t listen to all those songs you're mafia... or something to keep this game related. | ||
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On July 24 2019 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi im mafia AHA! TRAPPED | ||
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On July 24 2019 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bugs is also mafia. That is sorta implied | ||
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On July 24 2019 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: No FF this guy is 100% mafia. I am not. I mean... I actually never stopped thinking that but your drunk ass getting shook over 1 post praising wbg is poop and not the good kind | ||
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On July 24 2019 13:37 Holyflare wrote: I mean, half of MZ's post is: Which would be fine if I didn't directly start asking questions and making posts/cases to make the thread better? But I did. That actually adds to my point of him seemingto only be looking for posts to call scummy rather than reading the game | ||
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Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa? | ||
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On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason? Read the op What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1? | ||
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On July 25 2019 08:15 Eywa- wrote: I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum. Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team. I voted mz all day? | ||
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Koshi's logic made me reconsider my scumread on the hydra and since, again, I was at work I just left my vote on my original scumread | ||
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On July 25 2019 08:43 NoSmurfHere wrote: This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts. Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF? Holy fuck , I just deleted an entire post just now about fecal. Ol here is my gist of that post . Fecal is a confusing mess based on his iso . If this game is not an open set up , I would have called it a classic miller play . He seems to be begging to be lynched , threatened or hinted at game throwing . This behaviour feels unnormal for me as no scum or town should be playing like it . Fecal can you link us to that champs practise game pls ? I need to quickly skim through that to get yr meta . Also regarding post 913, I think it’s is perfectly normal to get an opinion on the way a person plays based on one game, provided that you have interacted enough with that person during the game . | ||
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I'm not trying to be pro-town I'm trying to have fun and find scum my way | ||
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To be fair, though, the person who posted it was mafia  | ||
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On July 24 2019 08:00 Eywa- wrote: Town has like a 90+% winrate on my home site because scum is either caught day 1 or poe'd day 1. Check previous game on this site, I correctly called scum team on day 1 (one scum ended up evading us, but I mean, there's a lot you can do day 1) Is some arrogant shit and when someone is being arrogant and is proven wrong, they deserve to be called out. | ||
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On July 25 2019 09:35 Alakaslam wrote: There are excellent points. Scumread retracted. Which points are good and why? I only see one real overarching point so i'm interested | ||
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On July 25 2019 01:59 Tubesock wrote: Fallujah - It truly amazes me how fast people can play. That dude on the drums is sick. I can't even hear that fast. I really liked the Highway song. It reminds me of Lemmy's singing or even Jason Newsted's. Probably my favorite of the bunch. I think the last one was technically screaming, but I guess I just don't like the screaming where you can't understand it, and it's just essentially the same low note growl that you can place on any song. So it's tough to hear much difference. But that is of course coming from someone who doesn't listen to much of it, so I can't hear the intricacies. I appreciate how the music has melody and his voice follows it. I prefer that to some songs which seem like they're examples of just speed. Mafia stuff...I totally respect if you want to vote rayn for being an asshole the first pages. I think that's the only real viable reason to vote him. I still think he's town, but you do you (Koshi). I can be convinced to vote Meap if it means saving rayn. I will admit that I think I'm just digging my heels in reaction to the rayn is scum team. But I'm not ignoring my feelings. And my feeling is that rayn is town. I honestly should just pm you after the game if you want to talk more haha I feel like I could write an essay just about the different types of vocals in various extreme metal genres and always like to attempt to find a band for everyone. Amon amarth doesn't count because they're just objectively good | ||
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On July 25 2019 10:13 Coagulation wrote: I see nothing wrong with ffs post there. Its a little harsh but I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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On July 25 2019 12:57 Chezinu wrote: So, Ryan must have had a Mason friend. Did he reveal or did he drunk claim mafia and go bye bye? I don't believe rayn spilled his partner | ||
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On July 25 2019 15:13 Vivax wrote: Remaining mason should claim anyway after the end of the night or it becomes fakeclaimable. Maybe even before the end so the cop has a guaranteed town target. cop has a guaranteed town target for n2 if they wait same diff imo and if the mason waits til day i dont see how its more fakeable | ||
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Who's scum then | ||
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On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote: Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish. If you need anything don't hesitate to pm me. I get so attached to pets man. | ||
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On July 26 2019 08:53 NoSmurfHere wrote: btw if you actually think I am scum, I have figured out who the mason is and had it figured out yesterday almost immediately after the flip. You can take me at my word for this, if I were scum the other mason would be dead right now. Anyway I agree with the mason not needing to claim, because my opinion is that scum this game are too stupid to see it and we don't need to help them out. -wherebugsgo Or you could have left the mason you bluehunted alive to make this point! I will kill meap, pandain, or the hydra today unless theres something to sheep | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: There is an essentially 0% chance Tube is scum here, and any townie worth their salt should have already realized this. Like there is no tube powerscum play here possible because something incredibly incredibly unlikely would have had to have happened on day 1 for that to be the case. -wherebugsgo wait lmao that's why you think I'm scum? nice | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote: Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that. I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward. -wherebugsgo It probably will advance my wincon yeah thanks | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: What? I’m not picking anything, Jock is in full control of who we vote, and I support his decision making. We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. Anyway his vote is my vote, that’s all there is to it. -wherebugsgo You're saying you didn't see why he did beforehand? | ||
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We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. "We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you" You've been talking privately with jock and I assume that you mean you've talked about the game and your respective reads. You asked him to focus on reading me, cool, since you speak privately he would likely tell you what he thinks of me and why. "Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me." So, going off what you said in the previous sentence, you've been in contact and you asked him to specifically look at me. You say here you now see why he scumreads me. Was he confusing when he spoke to you privately about his read on me? Did you disagree with his reads? I made a post expressing paranoia that my top townread could be tricking me and now it all comes together and he really made a lot of sense? Try harder scum | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:37 Tubesock wrote: Ok let's kill Pandain. Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off. I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy. FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too. Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great. hydra still scum | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:40 Eversince wrote: I think this whole fight is stupid btw. WBG has said entire game he's more a sounding board and letting Jock run the ship. I checked EoD votes and even if FF changed votes to you no one off Rayn wagon was going to move and Coag was mia iirc. So it's weird but I'm not sure it anything more than NAI. I'm completely caught up now, I'm strech my legs and let the dog out! Be back in 5-10! what fight the one post where I said letting jock vote is dumb? scummy post | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:42 Tubesock wrote: Also, Let's just say HF, Hydra, and Koshi/Pandain/or insert another "good" scumplayer doesn't matter who, is the mafia team. A vivax kill is not that bad at all. Like who else are they going to kill? Everyone is low hanging fruit, no one is unlynchable. I'm usually easily lynchbait, but not this game but that wasn't until today really. So, saying "I would never shoot Vivax because I'm too good" is hilariously silly. Like if there is the proper team, then yeah Vivax isn't a bad shot. He can be very towny when he plays. And people love shooting veterans who can look towny. occams razor hydra is just scum | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:50 Eversince wrote: Not sure how.. Best of my knowledge is BWG is Euro, Jock is here for deadline. They colab obviously as hydra but he's said he's letting Jock take final decision on vote the ENTIRE game! ok but what fight? | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:55 Eversince wrote: Well more like 3/4 page split into 2 pages Are you saying that my big post showing that bugs is being disingenuous is somehow about him letting jock pick the vote? Did you really just not read my posts and assume I was arguing about that? | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Why let jock 'control the vote' when he could just unvote whatever you pick? this is the first and ONLY post I made regarding bugs letting jock vote | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:29 Fecalfeast wrote: You're saying you didn't see why he did beforehand? On July 26 2019 12:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Let's unpack this. "We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you" You've been talking privately with jock and I assume that you mean you've talked about the game and your respective reads. You asked him to focus on reading me, cool, since you speak privately he would likely tell you what he thinks of me and why. "Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me." So, going off what you said in the previous sentence, you've been in contact and you asked him to specifically look at me. You say here you now see why he scumreads me. Was he confusing when he spoke to you privately about his read on me? Did you disagree with his reads? I made a post expressing paranoia that my top townread could be tricking me and now it all comes together and he really made a lot of sense? Try harder scum | ||
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On July 26 2019 13:00 Eversince wrote: reference the post you mean because I'm obviously blanking it. I refreshed the page after he said Jock gets vote and that was were it started (p. 33) IF YOU'RE "BlAnKiNg" on my posts what argument did you see when you refreshed the page on page 33??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On July 26 2019 13:12 Eversince wrote: @FF Let's break what that really says (Bugs) 'We talk privately' - Of course they do, splitting their resources (2 sets and eyes/brains) to focus on different things. Then sharing that information and what they think about it with each other. This is literally the Hydra mechanic.. 'changed read on you (paraphrased)' - If he didn't like the interaction, that was the whole point of talking to you. To see why Jock is m!FF so hard. Your last paragraph is literally a summary of the above. They went over info/ He wanted to interact with you (assuming they had some difference in opinion here for w/e reason) People confound each-other all the time. That's the way I took it. Since after catching up I had both of you as slight town reads (not in my lynch pool yet for sure) Felt more TvT to me so it didn't make sense. I get what a hydra is and why it is a thing. Thanks for the explainer. Let me put this even more simply. Bugs tell jock read ff jock read ff mafia bugs disagree with jock read ff make post saying townread better not be scum lol bugs see ff new post, now agree with jock Why does one inconsequential post make bugs change his read on me? | ||
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Was he confusing when he spoke to you privately about his read on me? Did you disagree with his reads? I made a post expressing paranoia that my top townread could be tricking me and now it all comes together and he really made a lot of sense? | ||
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On July 26 2019 13:28 Eversince wrote: He obviously took it as a 'scumslip'. If I thought I had mafia 100% by their own admission I'd flip my read on a fucking dime too! Now I don't get how he saw it that way but I think that would explain his flipped read. Not sure what it had to do with Jock though. Maby I misunderstood something through the original conversation :/.. On July 26 2019 12:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: What? I’m not picking anything, Jock is in full control of who we vote, and I support his decision making. We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. [big]Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum[big] and that post alone really stood out to me. Anyway his vote is my vote, that’s all there is to it. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On July 26 2019 13:28 Eversince wrote: He obviously took it as a 'scumslip'. If I thought I had mafia 100% by their own admission I'd flip my read on a fucking dime too! Now I don't get how he saw it that way but I think that would explain his flipped read. Not sure what it had to do with Jock though. Maby I misunderstood something through the original conversation :/.. On July 26 2019 12:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: What? I’m not picking anything, Jock is in full control of who we vote, and I support his decision making. We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. Anyway his vote is my vote, that’s all there is to it. -wherebugsgo fuck ebwop | ||
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On July 26 2019 14:22 NoSmurfHere wrote: Given the other post I made this is kinda wrong I didn't read the context beforehand, let me EBWOP: Earlier: Tubesock has no other very strong scum reads. FF then asks tubesock who he's voting for. 9:44 FF votes for us 9:45 Tubesock votes for us 9:47: This is trying to avoid responsibility for you own vote Here's the thing. FF never specifically said he was townreading tubesock. He never gave any impression that he would have a reason to sheep tubesock until suddenly when we are putting pressure on him he decides to 'sheep' tubesock and vote for us (when it was 100% obvious that TS would vote for us anyway). This is opportunistic to say the least. He then talks about maybe being in TS's pocket as a way of ensuring that we all know that if it goes wrong its not his fault. So FF are you scum or are you so stupid that really didn't already know who TS was going to vote for? -J I'm scum vote for me | ||
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Why is it so hard to townread people this game. I like hf and tube and koshi but I'd probably be ok killing everyone else. I also townlean the new recruit for a bad reason so I'll just wait for them. | ||
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On July 27 2019 00:04 Fecalfeast wrote: Good morning Why is it so hard to townread people this game. I like hf and tube and koshi but I'd probably be ok killing everyone else. I also townlean the new recruit for a bad reason so I'll just wait for them. If I just named the scumteam here I'm quitting playing and only hosting forever | ||
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On July 27 2019 01:15 Koshi wrote: Chezinu is a really good lynch imo. Did you say why exactly or is it just cuz slam knows him? | ||
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I actually thought I responded to this already but I feel he is looking to solve people and consider other viewpoints rather than push any sort of agenda. He seems to think he can do that as scum but I think he's town as frig | ||
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On July 27 2019 09:02 Holyflare wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuckkkk me I don't have a job anymore :D fired? nice moretime for mafia | ||
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On July 27 2019 07:49 Branch.AUT wrote: There's no recorded meta of my play. You will have to use reason and logic to figure my alignment Have you read the whole game? If so, who is mafia? If not, why not? | ||
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On July 26 2019 13:30 Eversince wrote: Fair, I'll go make some breakfast. Thanks for being patient with me  !is 20 hours enough patience? | ||
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On July 28 2019 00:16 Holyflare wrote: A Chezinu lynch gets rid of a giant question mark who always just plays for himself rather than actually helping which people somehow find endearing but I don't really understand it nor agree with it. That enables the night kills to play out and give us a better view of if someone in the vets is actually mafia because they are then forced to shoot into me/koshi/bugs etc and we can see what happens from there. Hi i can read today | ||
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On July 28 2019 03:16 Koshi wrote: And ewya killed rayn so pretty surz they arent masons. well then wtf is ever talking about | ||
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On July 28 2019 03:52 Koshi wrote: Man... my list is without doubt good. But if Chez is town this will get though. are you trying to make posts peoplecan scumread lmao | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:36 Eversince wrote: I think Koshi is the better lynch. I know you said we get info from Chez but I must be dense because it only implicates Slam then? and when I vote Chez it didn't matter. Personally I am fine with either one going. It also forces mafia to shoot either a low hanging fruit or a strong scum player which helps either way for town | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:42 Holyflare wrote: That's a very assured 100% both are mafia world you're living in. Why was Koshi the first to switch to chez after me? damn fast fingers i had the same thought | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote: The only time I would ever sheep someone is if 1. I'm extremely busy or 2. I have no idea what to do and 3. I have huge trust that the player is both town and is very likely to be right on scum. Maybe Slam is a god in Koshi's eyes, but I'm not sure that's really the case. And I asked Koshi why he thought Slam was playing so well and he never responded to me Obviously you != koshi though so why does the fact that you wouldn't sheep there scummy rather than suboptimal play? | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote: And neither the first two seemed the case for koshi but you're still projecting your idea of why to sheep onto koshi Did you ask koshi *why* he sheeped slam rather than asking the leading question of why he thinks slam is playing so well? | ||
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Again I ask, why is this scummy rather than suboptimal in your eyes? | ||
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If someone else swaps to koshi I might shenanigan onto him or This is a trap to bait scum | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:58 Koshi wrote: Mafia is way more fun if people talk about you. Exactly!! | ||
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oh woah is that 1 min after my 50/50 | ||
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On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town ? | ||
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On July 28 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain why you have expressed that you find Koshi suspicious and want to vote for the hydra but instead of making the wagon on Koshi basically the same size as the Chezinu one you joined BOTH your scum read and suspicious Koshi to make Chezinu more in the lead? Also how did you think ti was 8/11 when the post before yours in the vote thread is a vote count | ||
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THE HYDRA IS JUST SCUM EH | ||
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Towniest to scummiest koshi - smartest being in existence and a golden god among tiny, insignificant, men. HF - would care more as mafia, is still pretty smart and agrees on the hydra being scum. meapak_ziff - who? I thought they were scummy fo rlike 1 post day 1 I think and I don't even want to click their filter because at least with pandain I had a vague idea of what he thought before I made this post... ok I did it anyway I'm gonna lean disinterested towny based on tone. slam - not reading a 9 pager full of trash nope sorry eversince - breakfast is the most important meal of the day! Passive and absent, not what Id expect at all. pandain - idk aligns so completely with hydra it's hard to look past it. Shades koshi for dumb reasons that I covered at the time. eywa- - big day 1 only to immediately run out of gas. Classic scum trait especially when you're cocky, I'm guilty of it and have seen it before. hydra - bad tone from my perspective. Has 2 scumreads in me(town) and slam(scummy question mark). lots of words but somehow never makes enough sense to get any traction. Scummy since day 1. | ||
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On July 29 2019 13:03 NoSmurfHere wrote: omw to the airport. I literally could make a case on any player in this game. Understandably lots of people don’t have time to play much and neither do I. So discounting activity altogether and judging players purely based on content leads me to the reads that I have. I’ll save my ranting on the quality of play and what dead players did in particular for postgame since it’s not going to do us any good now, and actually overall I enjoyed the game since I could share with Jock and keep myself at ease knowing that I’m not insane given the complete wonk logic that’s being accepted as legit these days. Meapak, Pandain, Eversince, if any of you are scum here then kudos for making the most sense despite posting very little. On the basis of content alone you’re my strongest townreads. If any of you are town please talk with Jock in my absence, and me if I manage to get some time to post after my flight & back-to-back work Mondays (I get to experience Monday twice yay). There’s a small possibility we can still win if we lynch scum today, though the game seems hopeless. I’m sure no one has a perfect list of scumreads but maybe if we pool them we can figure out which ones overlap and just go with those. I’m personally still very sure on Koshi. HF, I am hoping you are scum here otherwise I will have some choice words for you in postgame. This game was very winnable but you have an extremely selfish approach to the game and while I like some of the things you pointed out, particularly on slam on d1, that is not enough to overshadow the fact that in general your play is incredibly antitown even when you are town. Regardless of alignment this game is no exception. If you’re scum then kudos Eywa, branch, FF, slam, Koshi: the townies among you should pull your own weight and establish your innocence & don’t fuck up today. If you vote us, that’s an automatic fail. Read the game and come up with your own opinions instead of sheeping. I maintain that Koshi is still the best lynch given the information I have at hand. Feel free to read my previous posts on the subject, nothing much has changed. I’ll see you all on the other side of the Pacific. -wherebugsgo im not sheeping and have a lot of posts sorry try again | ||
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This is some basic level scum shit and nobody cares oh well | ||
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On July 30 2019 03:49 Branch.AUT wrote: Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin. Oh he is certainly that much of a cretin. Without a shadow of a doubt | ||
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I get that you think I'm scum but shit like this doesn't actually help and it feels just like day 1 when you were sure rayn was scumming it up | ||
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I would doubt he's a deist satanist, if anything he's probably a la'veyan or non denominational. That said it'd be cool to finally sat I know a satanist who actually believes in Satan's existence. | ||
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I have no cases but I'm scummy apparently | ||
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On July 30 2019 04:29 Eywa- wrote: You're either scum or some severe anti-town. It's always hard to tell. What about my play is anti town compared to yours. | ||
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On July 30 2019 04:29 Eywa- wrote: You're either scum or some severe anti-town. It's always hard to tell. I'd also like to point out the pre-insult for when I flip town so eywa can call me bad lol | ||
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On July 30 2019 04:35 Branch.AUT wrote: Whats your opinion on pushing an Ewya lynch? Well I'm voting eywa and think they've played scummy. There's some smart people words that suggest the hydra may be town and nobody wants to vote with me there. My opinion is that an eywa lynch is good. | ||
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On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote: I like your approach to the game. HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you. Would you say that Alakaslam seems like he's having fun? | ||
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Kinda disliking the branch slot now that it's apparent they're not new to mafia in the slightest. Hf still town If the golden god koshi doesn't come back soon I'll be sad | ||
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On July 30 2019 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Jesus christ dude get off my nuts and scumhunt. eywa is scum | ||
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On July 30 2019 10:43 Alakaslam wrote: I don’t think so man. You’re my biggest question mark of the three I most think are scum (in that I think MZ is on a roll) in that an alternate could be Eversince. I don’t think you should martyr if town because I am confident Koshi will be lynched today. Do you think he is town? If so, defend why you think so and thereby defend him. If not, vote him with us. Koshi seemed town to me on previous days. He has fallen off and while I think he has been more pleasant than last few games, I have to concede that he's definitely nothing like the game I hosted where he was town tunneling on town calix. | ||
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On July 30 2019 12:09 NoSmurfHere wrote: Considering that you don’t know it’s mylo, even if you’re town it’s optimal to just kill you and end the game because you were playing for scum the whole time anyway. The only two options for town today are no-lynch or kill scum. If you don’t know that, or can’t even put the modicum of effort required to figure it out yourself, you’re scum or indistinguishable from scum. -wherebugsgo I forgot about the double kill jeez man | ||
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On July 30 2019 12:14 NoSmurfHere wrote: If you’re hoping this dumbtell is gonna save you from death tomorrow you better try harder -wherebugsgo I was actually thinking of crafting a dumbtell for my next game as scum that's funny. I'm not sure what more you want from me I have my reads, koshi was begging to be lynched all game idk seems like busy uninterested town to me | ||
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On July 30 2019 18:32 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don't think it looks like cognitive bias. People were generally willing to townread you when you first subbed in to the thread, but the way you have posted has led to you being one of the main scum candidates. You aren't doing town things right now, your end of day was panicky like you wanted to look like you were voting in the 'right' place and you took ages to update how you were thinking about the game when things changed, as if you were waiting for town opinion to shift before you would shift your own opinion. You pushed us hard when you first came in to the thread and that's why people were null-townish on you. Who are you going to push now? How are you going to figure the game out? It looks like you're just coasting to the next lynch but its urgent that town figures the game out quickly and doesn't mislynch any more. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FF complaining (or insinuating that he had complaints at least) about the QT thing is pretty much a scum claim, no? -J How many times am I going to scumclaim as town lmao | ||
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Koshi doesn't think I'm mafia so I'm in his pocket still | ||
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On July 31 2019 02:18 Eywa- wrote: You keep saying that you think I'm town and still try to lynch me. I have no clue how you're actually still alive. When did i say you're town?? | ||
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I want to self vote to save koshi but that's like literally playing against my wincon since I can only be 100% on myself. I'm at work and we're taking an early break | ||
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Someone determined that it's not mylo right | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:30 NoSmurfHere wrote: Touché btw care to explain how scum can “choose who they want” between Koshi and FF without outing themselves in the process? We have like an hour or two left (?? I don’t know what the deadline is in this time zone, haven’t checked) and the only person who hasn’t voted is Eversince. She is not going to vote Eywa, AFAICT. That puts Koshi @ 4 with tiebreaker advantage and for scum to kill someone else they would all need to vote someone else (technically it would look like two players switching) because there is only a net +2 possible ATM, and that’s necessary to pick someone over Koshi. I also don’t understand why the same argument you are using about scum picking the lynch doesn’t apply to Eywa va Koshi or any two players. FF and Koshi do not look the same no matter how much you keep saying that, anyway. -wherebugsgo 1.5hr ish | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful? You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone -wherebugsgo I'm at work and when I was at home I wasted time instead Meekness is fair but since I've not been reading in depth it's hard to have many real conviction | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:42 Eversince wrote: @ FF #1667 translates to "I don't care about this game enough to play when I can. Now that I'm dying for it, I can't even play!!" And you wonder why you are mafia read by people? When you've been like this for a while now? I have been playing when I'm into it though... I have been posting reads, talking to ppl in thread, voting targets and consolidating on lynches not sure what else to do. | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:44 Holyflare wrote: You have been largely irrelevant and have wasted away your role to be lynched. How does that feel? That you'd rather defend Koshi whose alignment you know nothing about (allegedly) and can't even explain why he sheeped slam? I presume you don't scum read the hydra anymore after the QT? That leaves you with eywa, pandain and eversince. Two of those three people would rather lynch you than Koshi. Does that spark any kind of alarm bell or are you more concerned with posturing your faux koshi love? Why won't branch vote Koshi (remember he loves voting the highest town wagons right?) or you over a guy that people repeatedly say is playing the same as last game. Why are you voting eywa when he was afk for a pre stated reason? Is that still the same reason you scum read eywa? Why can't you answer eywa's points? I think they were that you said he had a big day 1 but you were also voting eywa then or something too? I'd kill branch for sure like I said. I'm moving my vote off eywa because apparently arrogantly being wrong all game is a town tell according to you all. I hate how everyone is so against koshi which makes me want to dig in on my townread of him. I'm like 60/40 on whether I'll vote koshi to self pres btw. 60 on not self preserving. | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:45 NoSmurfHere wrote: Why would you be against this if you were town? Its spread over a few posts here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=67#1329 -J Because it doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game to use something private from outside the game to angle shoot your way to a townclear. It's dirty play imho | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:55 Eversince wrote: @ FF how is paraphrasing your conversations on how you/ partner develop your reads dirty? It's the same as me posting my reasoning for how I develop reads but with hydra you have two and of course town wants the logic on how you as a pair come to decisions. I'm not butthurt enough about it to argue with you. I think using anything from outside the game is dirty. | ||
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I'm voting koshi to save myself deal with it | ||
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On July 31 2019 03:57 Koshi wrote: Hilarious how you are talking to the mafia about how the 2 towns will save each other. Oh heck he's here... Awkward. | ||
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On July 31 2019 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Why are you FOR Koshi? What has he done this game that is out of his mafia range that he can't fake? When i think of koshi my brain goes 'town' and I try not to argue with that guy | ||
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I guess i still die but i have to try here. Gg im town | ||
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On July 23 2019 13:32 Fecalfeast wrote: last one to post is mafia not it Pandain was the last non-sub person to post after this so I'm taking all the postgame cred thanks Also it's my korean birthday woop woop | ||
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On August 06 2019 05:36 NoSmurfHere wrote: Thanks to grack for hosting! Really enjoyed the game Also sorry if I was a bit too harsh on anyone, within the game I of course have strong opinions. Please don’t take anything I say personally and do let me know if I’m being too much of an asshole. Some random thoughts: + Show Spoiler + I have pretty much no regrets this game, the only thing I would change is that I should have leaned much much harder on MZ and Pandain because I gave both players huge passes when they didn’t deserve them, especially day 1. If I had the time or the energy I would have probably tried to derail the Chezinu lynch. I think it would’ve ultimately made no difference though because first 3 cycles was TvT every single time. At LYLO if you are a townie (ahem Eversince) please do not hold your vote till the last moment. idgaf if that’s how you play normally because you are literally signaling that you are either scum or are going to waste your vote and consolidate on whatever wagon that appears which means you are essentially useless for the cycle. This is especially the case because holding your vote for so long is not inclusive, it is not cooperative, and it is an incredibly selfish play; it does not consider the perspectives of the other townies who are trying to figure out your alignment. Your vote is more important than your voice. As an example, if I were solo playing this game, in LYLO I would not be around for the 6-7 hours before deadline because it’s at 5 am. I am only here now because my flight arrived 30 minutes ago and I’m waiting on a bus. In that situation, if a player says they’re going to hold their vote till the end there’s absolutely nothing I can do except park my vote earlier in the day and hope I am right. I am forced to lead on my best scum read (aka I’m now forced to play selfishly too) rather than cooperatively work out what’s best for the entire faction. I believe this applies not just in LYLO but on other days too. Had we started cooperating earlier this game would have been a lot easier. For instance, Koshi’s points on Eywa were all really good. Had we been able to start on that path one cycle earlier it wouldn’t have mattered if ES was low on time, not really understanding what was going on (mixing up day 2 and day 4? Lol) etc. Not being cooperative is also 100% the reason town lynched both rayn and FF, IMO. I think it’s also quite telling that Jock and I took a lot of flak for these lynches even though in the end I don’t believe we really swung them much at all. Our vote on rayn wasn’t even consequential, for instance. -wherebugsgo In what way was I not being cooperative could you maybe explain what you think I did to deserve getting lynched | ||
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