On July 24 2019 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i created a fucking town circle without asking anyone so dealwithit!
Now you just need that America song. Fuck yea
Anyway.
Oh yeah actually I need to say something else has nothing to do with the quote-
Fool =\= idiot
I am using fool with regard to eywa as in the character. Playing the fool- the king’s Comic relief who often also gave advice. I can’t work with those types but I know why propone adopt it in mafia.
On July 24 2019 01:53 NoSmurfHere wrote: Wow we haven't even posted anything yet and rayn wants to kill us.
Must be doing something right.
Either that or (more likely) Rayn's method of scumhunting this game includes a blindfold and some darts.
Or some next level coding.
I have begun to suspect that here on TL. People being magically right so often. But then, most people seem to have reasons but then I realize those would be easy to manufacture if you knew the roles people had been messaged...
On July 24 2019 01:58 NoSmurfHere wrote: Didn't say you were town. Just commenting that the only logic you could possibly have used to arrive that the conclusion that we need to die would be completely random. Either that or you're scum (hence the 'must be doing something right' comment).
Too early to tell which.
You won't get any real reads out of me for the first 24 hours just reactions at this point.
On July 24 2019 02:04 NoSmurfHere wrote: Implying that you are scum and we must be doing something right for scum to want to kill us.
how do you think you are doing something right if scum!rayn wants to kill you when you have posted a total of zero posts?
this is a definite and through explanation on why i am NOT misunderstanding any of hydra's posts. The implication they make doesn't even make any fucking sense at all.
rayn is scum and we are doing something right with not posting at all, aka "he is afraid of us so he is calling us mafia" does anyone believe this is an explanation that comes to any townie's mind when about eight people have not posted?
On July 24 2019 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Didn't like your immediate attack on hf when I interpreted hfs entrance as jokey.
it is very clear that's not what his entrance was. you have surely read it when you made a read on me based on that argument so why did you completely miss the point of his entrance?
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote: Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Jock can you explain it to me why i should read this post "i read Pandain's name as Palmar's" instead of "i looked at Pa- and then decided it's Palmar because i saw a name written in green in the OP"?
Because you can choose how you read things. You can try to read things as they were intended, or you can try to read things the way you want them to be if you already decided you were going to pressure someone.
J
Every people choose how to read post for different reasons. You are saying i should have figured out HF's post was what his post was about, and i want to understand you think so because i don't understand it.
Your konglish Finnglish is coming through here pretty strong.
It is this way with my fiancé like 10% of the time
“So what color car?” “What color you like?” “Well, blue is my favorite but white keeps out the heat. But I don’t mind, isn’t it women who place value on a car’s color?” “Well but I already drive red car. Just get blue car, I think blue is nice!”
*great deal on red car, gets nervous she will feel I disregarded her*
“YOU GOT RED CAR! Oh you are always thinking first of me! You don’t have to do it I already have red car! I thought you don’t like red so I say you can get what color you like!”
On July 24 2019 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote: Ah heck. Rayn townreading me after I specifically said I often scumread people who townread me early makes me think he's probably town but mafia rayn isn't usually trying to skate by anyway so it makes me more confused than anything
On July 24 2019 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote: Ah heck. Rayn townreading me after I specifically said I often scumread people who townread me early makes me think he's probably town but mafia rayn isn't usually trying to skate by anyway so it makes me more confused than anything
You're wrong. Rayn is mafia, it says so in his role PM.
On July 24 2019 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: right. do you have a erad on hf and/or vivax FF?
Vivax town by virtue of his having posted at all at this point in the game. I haven't gone back to reread hfs entry since you told me i may be mistaken on the tone so idk
ehh...?
I've only played with a vivax who afks completely as scum.
If he doesn't post more obviously my townread evaporates
i was talking about hf, i think you had me as mafia for what you now say i was "right" on calling hf scum for (even when backing off of it)?
On July 24 2019 03:38 Holyflare wrote: Also this thread is the most confusing fucking thing to read, it's just questions answered with dead ends and cryptic sentences and very boring.
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well w/e gonna write on phone. I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after. I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.
On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote: Wut why is there a night 0?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote: Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".
Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote: I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though
So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.
Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.
On July 24 2019 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: In other news, Vivax and the Hydra seem ok, FF is decidedly not, and this post makes me want to gouge my eyes out:
On July 24 2019 07:48 Coagulation wrote: It was a joke. You guys jesus. Probably the main reason I stopped playing mafia is because I realized everything you read in a game thread is tryhard straw grasping for the sake of posting anything at all. Its really lame when you come into a thread and read 7 pages of people going into an in depth discussion about "holyflares coag point" based off of absolutely nothing. Its just mind numbingly cringey.
On July 24 2019 07:48 Coagulation wrote: It was a joke. You guys jesus. Probably the main reason I stopped playing mafia is because I realized everything you read in a game thread is tryhard straw grasping for the sake of posting anything at all. Its really lame when you come into a thread and read 7 pages of people going into an in depth discussion about "holyflares coag point" based off of absolutely nothing. Its just mind numbingly cringey.
Eh, this is incorrect, a lot of things are alignment indicative, people just have it wrong on what you posted.
Read not only the words, but see also the spirit
You see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, without this protection PTSD can strike from misfortune’s vale
On July 24 2019 08:00 Coagulation wrote: People want to post a scum townie list on their reads day 1 thats fine in case they flip town its even possibly helpful but lets not pretend to have some kind of psychic scum hunting skills or something
On July 24 2019 08:02 Tubesock wrote: I'm most suspicious of the Hydra.
I like FF though. He seemed genuinely concerned at the slow pace of the game in the first couple pages. And is spot on with the BS call on Nosmurf. I really hated the list post the Hydra did.
@meapak. Why do you think Vivax is ok? or the Hydra? What's decidedly mafia about FF? I disagree on all three accounts, so would like to know what you think about it.
Ahh intelligent conversation, this is nice.
The Hydra: I liked this post here
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J
This is almost exactly how I was feeling about the game at this point although I think they are being incredibly lenient on HF. Hydras are tough to read by nature so I understand how the reflex response would be to want them gone quickly however not only do I think there are better targets, at least one of the heads is seeing things in a similar light to me.
Vivax: He soft townreads rayn and dislikes Coag's first post. He doesn't have a lot of activity but what he does have I agree with. Which stands in sharp contrast to the final person.
FF: Aside from the spam which is annoying, FF has a few early posts which stick out:
On July 24 2019 01:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm town hf is null vivax seems towny so far rayn I'm suspicious of but nothing worth voting whoever townread me is probably scum tube maybe idk
I'm at work and kinda forgot about the game because of how boring it was. Glad you guys didn't leave much for me to read 🙃
Similarly to what I said I didn't like about HF, I hate people who passive aggressively complain about thread atmosphere. The tone is also incredibly wishy washy.
On July 24 2019 01:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I absolutely would ahitpost soam and ask for activity as scum fyi I like to actually playas either alignment
WIFOM
On July 24 2019 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 24 2019 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2019 01:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I absolutely would ahitpost soam and ask for activity as scum fyi I like to actually playas either alignment
i know you would so why am i mafia?
Didn't like your immediate attack on hf when I interpreted hfs entrance as jokey.
Easy townreads on me often come from scum this has no basis in evidence just something I've noticed[b/]
Pointless suspicion with no supporting evidence.
[B]On July 24 2019 02:42 Fecalfeast wrote: The hydra is just jock and bugs right
Easily answered spam question.
His only real substantial post is about....... drum roll.... lynching lurkers. Which is always a super easy topic for scum to discuss because it doesn't require calling anybody out based on evidence, and usually ends up with a townie lynch.
The thing about the list post that bugged me is that it's pretty meaningless. Like I agree with Coag actually about early game (actually I think all of D1 is blind guessing and acting tough or whatever). This list has that "well it's early game so nothing is concrete" tone to it. Which is fine BUT this early sure seems like a attempt to look try hard for town points. That after 24 hours or so maybe Bugs hasn't responded in their QT or whatever and Jocks thinks he is on his own.
Town!Jock probably wouldn't care too much and just be active knowing that his townlight will shine. I think a mafia!Jock would be quicker to go back on his "I'm going to only post reads after I deliberate with Bugs" and post "productive" content.
I guess I just liked FF's tone. His play is in his mafia range sure. But I guess I just really didn't like the Hydra's action.
On July 24 2019 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Salutations, Coagulation, have you rolled a mafia aligned role this game? You shan't be allowed to speak falsities on this matter, I assure you.
Im town. Obviosly I would say this even if I was scum so im not sure what you are looking for. I can post my town seal but the last game i played here I posted it while I was scum cause I knew it would be my last time playing so I wanted to cash in on it before I quit.
On July 24 2019 10:42 NoSmurfHere wrote: Okay, finished my read and am starting work now. Basically nothing much changed for me by reading the rest of the posts.
Last two things I wanted to point out:
1. Rayn being 100% sure on Jock being scum is not new and unfortunately not alignment indicative. It’s 100% on Jock alone because he said it before I posted. He’s wrong, so the only thing for us to do now is to figure out whether he’s town and being bad as usual or bad scum who believes he can ramrod a lynch in a fairly desperate situation. Quite funny because I’d love to be eating votes early as scum and soaking up tons of attention because I could trash the thread on purpose and still live, but in rayn’s case I think he’s not a great scum player and pressure naturally causes him anxiety.
I also think it will be very evident based on my own posts what alignment we are, even if Jock posts stuff that causes people to scumread us (I actually don’t know why people are so bad at reading Jock in general...after my first game with him it seemed really obvious....)
2. My time zone is UTC +9 because I live in Japan. I’ll be in California next week from the 29th to the 5th, however. The current time here is 10:42 a.m. I will post probably a couple times in the morning in my local time and a couple times in the evening, and maybe a bit more on weekends.
Also I am addressing you more directly as you’ve already made the change like overnight lol. I think I can come to an understanding and have a productive discussion (and you May or May not win a vote)
Fun fact: I was born in May, so my phone capitalizes it lol.
On July 24 2019 23:44 Eywa- wrote: I mean, I can be in error... But in this case I'm not.
I don't do reactions pre-flip.
I’m not expecting a pre-flip reaction.
There is a difference between arrogance (can’t begin to understand) confidence (can try to understand) and unteachable (can totally understand but can’t work with)
So are you open to talking Rayn? I think he is just foreign (and then drunk) and strongly hold he is town.
Why am I wrong? Do you need more from me to know how I am wrong?
I like Rayn’s train of thought, and was on board with it and don’t see it as scum indicative.
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J
You type it like scumreading rayn is a scummy thing to do while not townreading him.
Scummy.
Huh, I actually didn’t notice that before.
You make me very comfortable with my vote but I think we should hear Eywa- out. Maybe a fresh look at scum!rayn can flesh him out easier than old blood eyes (or even the blindness of CHUPAZI)
On July 25 2019 00:23 Koshi wrote: Yeah rayn is a good vote. So many pages, a lot of meh to scum stuff, unwarranted rage, anti town.
People townread the person pushing the lynch, but vote for the scumread of that persons scumread. Ewya is town, ewya says rayn is scum. People say eywa is town, vote for the scumread of rayn. 😁
Because eywa has valid reasons to SR Rayn but she happens to be misinterpreting a lot of him, and Rayn has good points on smurfishness.
On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J
This was 21 hours ago. So, basically first half of the cycle. This is after he said no reads posts until deliberating with Bugs.
This entire post is fluff. Did anyone like Koshi's first post? I doubt anyone say any redeeming value in it either. You can say that about almost everyone in the game for most games. So that's a nothingburger.
He didn't like how HF tried to dumbclaim his way to town, but then eosn't arrive anywhere with it. It's convoluted for mafia but in HF's mafia range. Ok, that's a nothingburger statement too.
Vivax - nothingburger, well he said it best. Saying V is a nothingburger leaves the rest of us with nothing. It would have at least said something if Jock then said Vivax being a nothingburger is most likely mafia. That would be substantial, and useful for town.
Coag - of course scumclaims suck. He got heat for it immediately too. So this is a useless comment from town.
FF - dunno. More nothingburger. Why not have a line about Chezinu and Alakaslam? They both are most likely similiar as in complete tossups. Why include FF? Feels like it's easier to later throw shade on FF than succomb to the law of Brown or Chupazi.
Eywa - quickly scumreading someone isn't scummy. But apparently it is for Jock, so why isn't HF scumread too?
rayn - he just finished a shitfight and has no read??? From the tone I would think he would scumread him. That isn't neccessarily scummy, but yet another player listed with zero information for town.
This entire post is fluffy fluff. What is the purpose of it? To give town his reactions? How did any of them help town?
So many words to say nothing. By your own definition you are mafia. Go vote yourself. Instead of: "This post from the hydra has no value" You make a word wall.
Go vote for yourself.
It isn’t fluff. He is making the point that Smurfishness is more mafia for it
On July 24 2019 23:44 Eywa- wrote: I mean, I can be in error... But in this case I'm not.
I don't do reactions pre-flip.
I’m not expecting a pre-flip reaction.
There is a difference between arrogance (can’t begin to understand) confidence (can try to understand) and unteachable (can totally understand but can’t work with)
So are you open to talking Rayn? I think he is just foreign (and then drunk) and strongly hold he is town.
Why am I wrong? Do you need more from me to know how I am wrong?
I like Rayn’s train of thought, and was on board with it and don’t see it as scum indicative.
Thanks either way
I agree with all of your points and none of those make him scum. I think Rayn started the game very opportunistically, then transitioned to a lot more of a defensive game. Yes, some of that is reaction to pressure being applied to him, but this is his scum game, I'm very confident.
Also, if I'm drinking as town, I'm more likely to rant (incoherently) about people not voting for my target than I am to just come in to say "fuck you" repeatedly in as many posts as possible.
Best case I have seen. Shows that eywa thought about the difference between town mindset and mafia mindset. Either proof him wrong. Or explain how this is rayn meta. Or just stfu lol.
And when you cant. Dont vote for the persons agreeing with ewya you dumbfucks.
Koshi you should know better. You’ve played with Rayn enough to use your meta.
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo
Of course he does lol
Anyway. So do we, I believe. People are having paradigm clashes when they aren’t necessary.
On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so.
The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ:
I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal.
Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to.
I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so.
-wherebugsgo
Tube has been reading the game well so far and he had you as scum early so I wanted to see if he could back things up a little more. I see where he's coming from but I still think he's wrong.
Also I've been an early and often lynch choice in every game I've been in since I started playing again six months ago -_- apparently my town skills took a dive during my 3ish year hiatus.
Nah it’s just your maturity.
Eventually you have to embrace the battened down basements of young minds and run to the tornado that is CHUPAZI
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Weren't you already voting there?
Yup.
Giving insight to my thought process, being transparent.
On July 25 2019 03:56 NoSmurfHere wrote: We're voting rayn. No choice. Even if there was we'd vote for him. Bugs, koshi and eywa have all done a good job explaining why.
-J
Koshi said shit all for real reasons.
Don’t feed me this “being mad is anti-town” bullshit, it’s NAI.
On July 25 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote: I also like Pandain for town. He makes good posts and bad posts. But I can see the bad ones coming from town trying to solve the game.
I do agree on this.
Dammit koshi we agree on 90% it was the fucking 10% lol
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.
Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?
There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again
OK good luck without me Eywa-
Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.
Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?
There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again
OK good luck without me Eywa-
Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.
Not everyone of course.
Not happy to see the brown inactive
You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.
Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?
There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again
OK good luck without me Eywa-
Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.
Not everyone of course.
Not happy to see the brown inactive
You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.
Learned nothing from Rayn flip
Main reason it frustrates is you don’t suck at the game
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: Posted too early, it’s me
-wherebugsgo
Legitimately laughed out loud. Then I realized this wasn't a claim.
Where do you stand now that rayn flipped town?
In particular how do you read slam, MZ, and Pandain?
-wherebugsgo
I think Alakaslam and FecalFeast Holier than thou attitude is pretty bad, I could see one or both being scum.
Still scum on MZ FecalFeast having a strong read and not pushing it could be a scum team.
What about Coagulation?
I really personally don’t think MZ is scum here. Here’s where I stand:
1. Coagulation is scum or at the very least an anti-town prick for essentially shitting on everyone and then voting MZ without ever rationalizing it. He didn’t bother to convince anyone why MZ is scum or even why his vote ended up there. In fact I only know his vote ended up on MZ because I read the final vote count. Completely unremarkable play otherwise on day 1. Would kill with fire.
2. Slam looks really bad for preemptively reacting to rayn likely flipping town with reasons that seem ass-pulled. The only difficult thing I have to reconcile is that he is posting a lot, no idea what his mafia play is actually like. OTOH 25 (??) posts in a row has to be intentional and I am completely fine on principle to kill him over that alone. (call me scum for this I dare you, anyone)
3. FF looks okay to me because some of his engagements with other players (like MZ) looked legit, but I have no particularly strong read on him. Bit of a waffle, but gut reaction on flip was to push him scummier. Honestly can’t answer why I thought that.
I’m hoping Pandain can come in and actually contribute/make it clear for us what his alignment is because if he rolled scum then we have to deal with that as well.
Actually I’ve done it with you before WBG but I totally get it as that was in 2013 or so. This is no lie.
That being said WBG you might actually want to pay attention to the fact that I can’t use a PC for mafia 90% of the time.
When I catch up, I react on real time. I can tell you need to be told this because you didn’t read the posts simply because they were consecutive.
Might want to try doing that.
Or we could lunch you but I think I have to go first.
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
I never claimed that, I claimed that's what it's like on my home site.
Rayn played terribly though. What was that? No claim?
There it is. Holy shit prophet of CHUPAZI the great Alakaslam called it again
OK good luck without me Eywa-
Anyway, to the rest of the town, next time we need to be semi critical thinkers and use all of the tools at our disposal. There was no case here. You folks went along with something pretty foolish.
Not everyone of course.
Not happy to see the brown inactive
You're mafia for these posts. There was absolutely a rayn cass that multiple people talked about.
Go for it, town fool
Do it
I won’t even resist
How are you so sure at this point that HF is town?
Like even though he agrees with me on you and he was one of the initial folks on rayn I still don’t townread him lol
-wherebugsgo
I do townread him.
I joined the site when HF did. He is a lawyer irl so he knows how to influence:
I am a quiet psychological abuse survivor Autistic savant so I can’t convince anyone of shit but, you might say
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts.
Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF?
Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then
Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa?
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts.
Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF?
Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game.
What does this mean? FF knows what he's doing, he posted that for a reason.
On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then
Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa?
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts.
Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF?
Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game.
What does this mean? FF knows what he's doing, he posted that for a reason.
Also:
On July 24 2019 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote: ill vote meap
On July 25 2019 00:11 Fecalfeast wrote: If it's between smurf and rayn I'm voting smurf but imo ziphhhh has a good chance of flipping scum
***VOTE IS BETWEEN SMURF AND RAYN***
On July 25 2019 04:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Well I'm not moving but if rayn is scum good job
So the question is, what happened? Was it this post:
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
On July 25 2019 00:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I mean if you put it like that my last post sounds pretty stupid eh?
There are two ways to interpret this that I can see:
1: FF decides it would be stupid to try and save rayn - in which case he has no right to be having a go at eywa for pushing rayn
or
2: FF just said that he was going to vote for us if it came down to us vs rayn and then decided not to for some other reason.
He just kinda looks to me like he's keeping his options open between the 3 major wagons while pretending to have made his mind up.
There are excellent points.
Scumread retracted.
Which points are good and why? I only see one real overarching point so i'm interested
There are the two possible motives that both look rather bad.
But in hindsight I think it was just you wanted MZ to die and were at work
On July 23 2019 15:03 Tubesock wrote: This has been my jam for awhile. Not much on the metal screaming, but I would like the karaoke version of most of them.
I forgot to respond to this. I love a good 10 minute stoner ass guitar song, thank you.
first an instrumental from a band that very much uses "metal screaming" I think you'd enjoy:
Second, at what point does a sing become a scream? Is this just a gruff singing voice? I'd like to think we can agree that this is not screaming at least. + Show Spoiler +
What about this? I imagine the chorus could be a scream, but I'm talking about the verses. + Show Spoiler +
Now, this song is where I believe you would consider it 'metal screaming' but I would like to know why. The lyrics are completely understandable and the tone of voice is harmonious with the notes played on the instruments. + Show Spoiler +
Also uh
If you don;t listen to all those songs you're mafia... or something to keep this game related.
Fallujah - It truly amazes me how fast people can play. That dude on the drums is sick. I can't even hear that fast.
I really liked the Highway song. It reminds me of Lemmy's singing or even Jason Newsted's. Probably my favorite of the bunch.
I think the last one was technically screaming, but I guess I just don't like the screaming where you can't understand it, and it's just essentially the same low note growl that you can place on any song. So it's tough to hear much difference. But that is of course coming from someone who doesn't listen to much of it, so I can't hear the intricacies. I appreciate how the music has melody and his voice follows it. I prefer that to some songs which seem like they're examples of just speed.
Mafia stuff...I totally respect if you want to vote rayn for being an asshole the first pages. I think that's the only real viable reason to vote him. I still think he's town, but you do you (Koshi).
I can be convinced to vote Meap if it means saving rayn. I will admit that I think I'm just digging my heels in reaction to the rayn is scum team. But I'm not ignoring my feelings. And my feeling is that rayn is town.
I honestly should just pm you after the game if you want to talk more haha I feel like I could write an essay just about the different types of vocals in various extreme metal genres and always like to attempt to find a band for everyone. Amon amarth doesn't count because they're just objectively good
Let’s start a QT three of us I am interested as well
On July 25 2019 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Soo does the mason partner claim after day start then
Also how's that scum hit rate on d1 going eywa?
On July 25 2019 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:04 Eywa- wrote: What the fuck is sexy single mason?
Read the op
What the fuck is with you claiming to be some golden mafia god with a 90% winrate because you lynch scum d1?
This is really gratuitous imo and has no possible town motivation behind it. No-one is strongly scumreading eywa (town rayn was townreading eywa) so it looks like FF just wants to discredit eywa as much as possible before day 2 starts.
Otherwise what what the point in making these posts FF?
Sometimes emotion is tough to parse from the game.
What does this mean? FF knows what he's doing, he posted that for a reason.
Also:
On July 24 2019 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote: ill vote meap
On July 25 2019 00:11 Fecalfeast wrote: If it's between smurf and rayn I'm voting smurf but imo ziphhhh has a good chance of flipping scum
***VOTE IS BETWEEN SMURF AND RAYN***
On July 25 2019 04:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Well I'm not moving but if rayn is scum good job
So the question is, what happened? Was it this post:
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote: If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
On July 25 2019 00:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I mean if you put it like that my last post sounds pretty stupid eh?
There are two ways to interpret this that I can see:
1: FF decides it would be stupid to try and save rayn - in which case he has no right to be having a go at eywa for pushing rayn
or
2: FF just said that he was going to vote for us if it came down to us vs rayn and then decided not to for some other reason.
He just kinda looks to me like he's keeping his options open between the 3 major wagons while pretending to have made his mind up.
There are excellent points.
Scumread retracted.
Which points are good and why? I only see one real overarching point so i'm interested
There are the two possible motives that both look rather bad.
But in hindsight I think it was just you wanted MZ to die and were at work
You really think so slam? Like its not an impossible explanation for his behaviour at EoD but it just doesn't look true to me. I would be fine with him changing his read at the last minute but there's something very mafia like about the situation he was in anyway. 3 Big wagons to choose from and he ended up choosing the one where would have zero responsibility in a lynch because there was much less chance of him being successful.
-J
I do think so.
So often that stuff is the most likely explanation for these things.
On July 25 2019 22:20 Eversince wrote: Eya friends!
Ok! I was half skimming thread up until EoD 1 but I'm sure I missed things . I have doctor appt soon, the barn still needs cleaned, animals need care and I'm dead on my feet already.. so I'll try to catch up from where I left off but no promise I make it .. I'll probably just sleep and try to actually play D2.
@Everyone If there is anything in particular I should be looking at point me to it! I don't work tonight so I will be around after I wake up!
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 26 2019 00:01 Eywa- wrote: You guys might lose me for day 2, since my sister's wedding is this weekend. I'll do my best, but I imagine once the posting picks up, it'll be pretty difficult.
My vote is going on meapak, if you're going to counter wagon, I would suggest Alakaslam or Fecal.
On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote: Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
On July 26 2019 12:11 Eversince wrote: I will say though I reallly liked your point about FF t!rayn read but not evven bothering to try to save him by moving his vote though if I'm remembreing EoD though. Rayn was so obvious town he soft crumbed stupid early with the Eywa fight my gosh :/..
On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not going to until hydra dies tho
I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.
-wherebugsgo
Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him, HF more if Pandain flopped green.
I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy.
The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.
I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.
Ok let's kill Pandain.
Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.
I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.
FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.
Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.
On July 26 2019 12:40 Eversince wrote: I think this whole fight is stupid btw. WBG has said entire game he's more a sounding board and letting Jock run the ship. I checked EoD votes and even if FF changed votes to you no one off Rayn wagon was going to move and Coag was mia iirc. So it's weird but I'm not sure it anything more than NAI.
I'm completely caught up now, I'm strech my legs and let the dog out! Be back in 5-10!
what fight the one post where I said letting jock vote is dumb?
scummy post
Not sure how.. Best of my knowledge is BWG is Euro, Jock is here for deadline. They colab obviously as hydra but he's said he's letting Jock take final decision on vote the ENTIRE game!
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
On July 26 2019 09:57 Tubesock wrote: Pandain for me is borderline policy.
The only time I remember playing or reading a game he was in, he was town but I was certain he was scum. This game is completely forgettable. So, I guess that could be scum points.
I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too.
Ok let's kill Pandain.
Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off.
I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy.
FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too.
Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great.
Do you even read his posts though? It's not that he was right on rayn, I really don't give a shit about being right on someone's alignment. It's that he was right BUT HAD NO IDEA why half the people on rayn were on rayn. So, he casually berates people while simultaneously saying there's no case on rayn when there actually was. He can't be bothered to read into why people vote where they do but still calls them out for it anyway and then has made absolutely 0 conclusions on any of those people that voted really obvious town rayn for no reason?
His filter for the last few pages is basically absent of any proper read until vivax flips which is when he decides that vivax was on the right track with vivax saying "look at hf and pandain" rather than any other reason at all. He's 180d his town read on me based on something I'd never even do but his town read on me was because he knows what I do?
I did not flip my read on you because “you killed Vivax”
Lazy ass, read my filter. Your alignment doesn’t matter here. There are better cases to make against me to get me lynched, I am literally feeding them to you.
I am voting for Pandain who “I know to be town” while throwing shade on you to be lynched next.
Get smart. Find the real reasons I am scum because I am literally giving them to you on purpose.
On July 26 2019 16:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Holyflare read post 700 that makes FF clearly mafia right?
No reason for town to go about their business like that.
Jock you aren’t literally trying to get killed stop posting scummy shit like this. Either you think what you think or you need approval to mislynch am i wrong?
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
You are displaying some really weird reading comprehension here.
On July 26 2019 17:46 Holyflare wrote: Slam, which people on the rayn wagon d1 went voting for him based on 0 cases?
Dont trap him vecause he didnt consider that eywa post a case.
Pathetic.
You are.
I'm literally not trapping him in anything so please stop playing for Alakaslam and play for yourself. I'm simply seeing why he makes the post "people killed off rayn based off no cases" and then didn't follow up on any of those people.
I didn’t need to. The burden of proof was on them, but they weren’t looking for information or trying to get votes- they only needed just enough to get their Lynch. Laziness or mafia, but even as mafia it is laziness but you need some or you risk enlight
Wait
Enlightening the town so the vote moves and I just realized there MUST be scum on Rayn.
On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote: You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away.
When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf?
And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post.
What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment?
Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia.
Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with?
Vivax died. Filter. 2 names.
I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question.
Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.
Says the guy who thought I flipped from town reading slam to scum reading slam?
I haven't read much, no, and I clearly know and have interacted with slam/bugs about how slam got to myself/pandain (which, again, if you'd read the thread you'd know?) but that STILL doesn't actually answer my very specific question that has absolutely nothing to do with slam reading vivax's filter and picking out 2 names, 1 of which he didn't even scum read (me).
This is true Koshi, I didn’t see you quoting HF ever townreading me. That claim also had me go “wtf?”
On July 26 2019 18:03 Koshi wrote: And Chezinu has nothing to do with all that. Try to read.
And if Eywa is mafia he called the entire ploy as well.
And he called rayn correctly as well. With confidence.
He is on another level as us and he is town. Don't hate, just follow.
This is literally my point!!!!
CHEZINU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANDAIN OR MYSELF (who slam only scum read based on vivax) SO WHY DOES CHEZINUS ALIGNMENT DEPEND ON PANDAIN??
But you, get off this train I did not connect Chezinu to this.
Not in that post, not ever. HF I thought you knew Russian right? Part of my problem with English (my home tongue) is I now know 2 languages with a smattering of like 9
On July 26 2019 18:13 Holyflare wrote: It's like talking to a trump supporter that just repeats inane statements without actually listening to what the people are actually saying.
K this logic goes both ways
And I don’t mean SJW’s are NPC’s. I mean the other thing.
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote:
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote: Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that.
On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill slam
On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not going to until hydra dies tho
I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward.
-wherebugsgo
Actually it fits with Chezinu scumplay. I suspect him. HF more if Pandain flopped green.
I don’t expect us to see that yet. I expect to flip and I’m fine with that.
Now for some insane reason HF want to proof Slam is mafia for above slightly modified post.
Slam gives great content. But that little comma, and the fact Slam said there were no cases on rayn is THE MOTHERFUCKER DEALBREAKER.
7 pages on slam.
But the goddamn comma makes him mafia.
You have edited this alakslam post grammatically to make it look better because this is not the original quote. Nor have I said it makes him conclusively mafia.
The comma makes the entirety of difference. Why does Pandain's alignment effect chezinu alignment?
Furthermore, I don't see your problem with me asking Alakaslam why he has not pushed people he said were doing suspicious things.
None of these things are bad and I simply don't agree that 7 pages of slam filter make him town or anything, especially when I disagree with almost every statement he makes.
Sorry you don't feel the same way but please shut up so slam can play the game with me. You're intruding in a very normal question directed to another player.
I don’t see a comma what the fuck? And I don’t see any change to my post?
Why the hell are the English so damned obsessed with punctuation
Is it not implied
Do you somehow think these are statements
No wonder the Asians are the smartest people they understand implication
On July 26 2019 18:31 Holyflare wrote: This is even blown way out of proportion. I'm not voting slam, nor have I said he is conclusively mafia (you thought i thought he was town even) I've said pandain's filter is bad and is probably mafia (who slam is voting) but when somebody looks suspicious (pandain) really clearly so and another player (slam) is ALREADY putting qualifiers on his lynch about myself or chezinu being more scummy based on pandain's flip if he's town them I'm going to make all of those enquiries because I'm town and it looks really fucking bad to say.
On July 27 2019 00:12 NoSmurfHere wrote: I’m off to bed, weather here sucks.
Here are some random thoughts with no conclusions whatsoever. I guess they are more observations that others may or may not have noticed.
1. Eywa has gone from being fairly loud on day 1 to essentially completely irrelevant
2. Chezinu is voting tube and hasn’t explained it
3. Slam is making up reasons as he goes along, it seems. Read HF -> must be town Reread HF -> top scum But not that top, Pandain is more top But if Pandain is not, it’s HF But their alignments have nothing to do with each other Oh btw one of them is scum because rayn voters had to have a scum in there Oh but I didn’t mention that because I couldn’t express it ....????
Good night and good luck.
-wherebugsgo
Actually I am trying to access my gut and why it says what it does as I go along.
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
He always covers for his ego by saying his towntarget sucked rather than own up to being wrong. Can replace He with Eywa- and still be right, probably.
(Actually might have to change pronouns too IDKFS as I think I have seen others use feminine? Meh I am a linguistic amateur I understand the reasons for the masculine neuter in English)
But HF will shrug off being called out on that like a duck will shrug off rain. Eywa- seems to take it like Uriah Heep minus the plotting.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it.
On July 23 2019 19:34 Holyflare wrote: And on top of that you said I'm weird this game, did nothing, then wrote a case saying my initial posts were fine. So why were they originally cause for concern rayn?
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well w/e gonna write on phone. I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after. I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.
I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag.
On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote: Wut why is there a night 0?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote: Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".
Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote: I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though
So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.
Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.
The problem with this case is that it says you are FINE with my Pandain posts after having literally just said in 104 how weird my Pandain posts were! You THEN scum read me for the rant bit (clear misunderstanding, fine, but the first point still stands).
8. Rayn rants at Koshi and says HF makes fair point about Coag 123
There is conflicting info here. Point 3 contradicts point 5 (where you say you are FINE with my Pandain posts) and point 3 also contradicts point 8 where you agree with the Coag points!!
So, you either lied about the Coag and Pandain points making me "weird" since you say you LIKED them in both your case and your rant at Koshi or you've been caught out.
Either way, I'm actually voting you now and implore everyone else to do the same.
On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote: We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too?
Still hits me hard
My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so.
I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them.
On July 24 2019 14:05 Koshi wrote: rayn mafia: 1) He doesnt clearly enough explain why the people he calls mafia are mafia. 2) Expresses his mafia read on me too confidently.
You have seven pages of filter. You've been constantly active. I refuse to believe you somehow missed all of these posts as town. Instead it's much more likely you were skimming any points on rayn because you know he's town and so never took those cases seriously.
Bullshit, all that is hot air as you will soon see.
But anyway, I have been catastrophically wrong because I misremembered Rayn.
My advice: Koshi has been saying I am badass and has been too impressed by what is actually intentionally scummy play. And the dead hate him (Rayn) not !Pandian.
Also, FF has had me making jabs here and there but I figured I can’t be seeing too many scum.
Watch Chezinu. The Brown must actually do something to be brown. Otherwise this happens
That is all, this game was strangely satisfying but I have definitely had enough.
On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: I just read Rayn. I catastrophically misunderstood him.
how is it even about misunderstanding rayn?
you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it
I understood YOU and your pints.
You all were just running around being idiots thinking your hot air was substance and it wasn’t.
You STILL don’t realize that all that was just perpetuating the original seed Eywa- planted. Just because YOU were influenced by someone other than Eywa- doesn’t mean it actually had real substance to it.
PLEASE don’t write me off just because of this shit. When I go, read Rayn, read Vivax, read me, then read players with your current knowledge.
Tubesock I just got word from the FAA that the clouds can only ever be seen from above by me if I pay for an airline ticket. I was an angsty teenager and my mom put it in my medical record. Drank listerine, cause everyone knows that stuff is poison.
Oh yeah I am pretty confident HF is town given a reread of Rayn. I admit instability. I do not admit or consent to being relegated to irrelevance. READ MY FILTER AFTER I GO.
On July 26 2019 00:01 Eywa- wrote: You guys might lose me for day 2, since my sister's wedding is this weekend. I'll do my best, but I imagine once the posting picks up, it'll be pretty difficult.
My vote is going on meapak, if you're going to counter wagon, I would suggest Alakaslam or Fecal.
Oh yeah
See actually her reads look good to me here. She recognizes the scumminess of me, it’s intentionality is my own word so it is wifom until my flip. Good reads.
Tubesock I just got word from the FAA that the clouds can only ever be seen from above by me if I pay for an airline ticket. I was an angsty teenager and my mom put it in my medical record. Drank listerine, cause everyone knows that stuff is poison.
This saddens me.
There are programs to fight this though, albeit expensive and well then you still have to somehow afford lessons.
If you are ever in the Seattle area, I can give you a couple flight lessons and your fiance/wife can ride along.
That’d be awesome! My little brother lives in Spokane too.
But when you put autism spectrum and suicidal tendency in youth together...
I have a psychologist doing what she can for me. But she doesn’t seem too confident.
On July 27 2019 07:17 Tubesock wrote: My question marks are NSH, HF, Eywa, Chezinu, Eversince. I should add Coag too.
Anyone want to talk about any of them? I leave in 30 minutes but can phone post a little later tonight and tomorrow morning before the lynch.
There is host wifom in the Branch slot that was once Coagulation
Hf Eywa town Eversince hasn’t been able to chime in enough or likely scum NSH watch Chezinu probably scum but possibly annoyed with you for not understanding how timelessly important your Survivor reference was (or perhaps, for knowing full well what strings you were pulling)
On July 27 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don’t think Pandain is a high value lynch today, I read all of his posts from the last few pages and he has quite a few good, original points.
I like in particular his call out of slam for not recognizing any rayn case, because as Pandain pointed out, several people voted rayn and almost everyone cited solid reasons to vote him. The only way slam could be as active as he is and not recognize this is if he is scum, has TMI, and is ignoring those reasons because he already knows rayn is town. Slam has reacted strangely like this to multiple events/players already, like his essentially reasonless HF read flipping (done it twice now)
I will admit that personally in my case wanting to kill rayn was mostly that rayn accomplished nothing in 6 pages of filter and attacked us before we even posted, and I didn’t feel like dealing with that garbage this game at all. I’ll kill the most anti-town player on day 1 every game if it makes the game easier to solve.
Anyway, at this rate if people are feeling conservative and don’t want to kill a higher activity player who seems quite scummy in slam, or someone like FF, I think Chezinu is a better choice than Pandain given that Pandain actually has some original thoughts that make sense.
-wherebugsgo
NO ONE had solid reasons, please stop fooling yourself.
I read them all, they were all shit, and I knew it, soon you will know that too, ok?
On July 27 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don’t think Pandain is a high value lynch today, I read all of his posts from the last few pages and he has quite a few good, original points.
I like in particular his call out of slam for not recognizing any rayn case, because as Pandain pointed out, several people voted rayn and almost everyone cited solid reasons to vote him. The only way slam could be as active as he is and not recognize this is if he is scum, has TMI, and is ignoring those reasons because he already knows rayn is town. Slam has reacted strangely like this to multiple events/players already, like his essentially reasonless HF read flipping (done it twice now)
I will admit that personally in my case wanting to kill rayn was mostly that rayn accomplished nothing in 6 pages of filter and attacked us before we even posted, and I didn’t feel like dealing with that garbage this game at all. I’ll kill the most anti-town player on day 1 every game if it makes the game easier to solve.
Anyway, at this rate if people are feeling conservative and don’t want to kill a higher activity player who seems quite scummy in slam, or someone like FF, I think Chezinu is a better choice than Pandain given that Pandain actually has some original thoughts that make sense.
-wherebugsgo
NO ONE had solid reasons, please stop fooling yourself.
I read them all, they were all shit, and I knew it, soon you will know that too, ok?
Says the player who can’t even explain what read he has on HF or why despite claiming to know him intimately as a lawyer
And soon I will know it? What kind of empty threat is that LOL
-wherebugsgo
Empty threat?
Do you not know I lead the wagon? I will flip tomorrow. You’ll know that I’ve been genuine.
What other conclusion can you draw? I have never been good at explaining things. I’ve been good at being right sometimes though.
Original Message From Chuiu: Lol, I'm glad you guys are still playing this game. I had fun with it for a while but stopped playing when I became detached from visiting forum boards. I love that you guys are still using the banner I designed forever ago too.
Sorry I responded so late to this, as I said I no longer visit these forums. I only came back to reminisce a bit because iNcontrol passed away recently.
Original Message From Chezinu: You started. Now see your creation burn!
How does it feel to know that you influenced 10 years of my life by introducing me to mafia?
I sent him a PM during end of the world sign up.
Lord alive, the man who invited Chezinu.
Lord Brown Izhu- can you remind me how to spell your full name?
Lord of the Brown, leader I have desired to follow, do you know who introduced me to mafia?
On July 27 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don’t think Pandain is a high value lynch today, I read all of his posts from the last few pages and he has quite a few good, original points.
I like in particular his call out of slam for not recognizing any rayn case, because as Pandain pointed out, several people voted rayn and almost everyone cited solid reasons to vote him. The only way slam could be as active as he is and not recognize this is if he is scum, has TMI, and is ignoring those reasons because he already knows rayn is town. Slam has reacted strangely like this to multiple events/players already, like his essentially reasonless HF read flipping (done it twice now)
I will admit that personally in my case wanting to kill rayn was mostly that rayn accomplished nothing in 6 pages of filter and attacked us before we even posted, and I didn’t feel like dealing with that garbage this game at all. I’ll kill the most anti-town player on day 1 every game if it makes the game easier to solve.
Anyway, at this rate if people are feeling conservative and don’t want to kill a higher activity player who seems quite scummy in slam, or someone like FF, I think Chezinu is a better choice than Pandain given that Pandain actually has some original thoughts that make sense.
-wherebugsgo
NO ONE had solid reasons, please stop fooling yourself.
I read them all, they were all shit, and I knew it, soon you will know that too, ok?
Says the player who can’t even explain what read he has on HF or why despite claiming to know him intimately as a lawyer
And soon I will know it? What kind of empty threat is that LOL
-wherebugsgo
Empty threat?
Do you not know I lead the wagon? I will flip tomorrow. You’ll know that I’ve been genuine.
What other conclusion can you draw? I have never been good at explaining things. I’ve been good at being right sometimes though.
I mean, whatever you flip, the reasons for killing rayn will remain solid. [spoiler]He was useless and would have continued to be useless as he is every game. He flips coins to push lynches and claims he’s a god when he’s right and that he did absolutely nothing wrong when a townie flips despite being 100% certain on everything, like how certain he was that we are scum this game before we even posted. This is backed up by the fact that he has the most games by far on this forum with a decidedly mediocre record and that even with one other townie who knew his alignment he got 6 votes and died on day 1.
No matter how you slice it, someone like that who has 6 pages of filter day 1 but still manages to die is not worth keeping around to pollute the game and make it harder for others to play/enjoy. This is a team game, not an ego-stroking contest about who’s the most right about everything all the time (which rayn loses anyway) [spoiler]
If you are actually town, take your head out of your ass and try to provide real reasons for the reads you are posting in the thread because what you are doing right now is not working. If you want to be an asshole then you can get deleted from the game. And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t have direct vote power this game and isn’t even voting you. If you give up as town minutes into d2 before even taking votes (which is what it looked like you did) just because you feel we lynched someone for the wrong reasons on d1 despite the fact that you can’t even articulate those reasons, AND you can’t articulate why we should listen to you now or even who you read as scum, then, well, idgaf what your alignment is and yes it is actually better for us to see you flip because several people other than myself already want you out of the game.
If you are town, I’m really actually trying to give you a sense for why people think you’re not. I trust that if you are actually town you’ll make an effort to listen to me and play the game.
And before tube says it, no, merely posting does not qualify as town play.
-wherebugsgo
Actually I am sick of the group think.
If I fully articulated the reasons I know stuff I don’t think they’d be believed anyway. They are usually combinations of a lot of little things that I don’t immediately have total recall of.
Have you ever met a brilliant illiterate? Not that I am illiterate, but my mind has a totally different style of memory from most people on here. I am not a garbage trap mind, that has total recall of a lot of facts. Nor am I a particularly deep thinker; if I were, I could meditate on my reads and eventually articulate them- if not beautifully and concisely so in fact.
What I am, is someone who can recognize patterns accurately even when I cannot describe them. My IQ scores were great! My actual general knowledge, isn’t so great! My ability to recognize that someone is being sarcastic is pure shit! But my ability to recognize when something is not right is pretty damn good, and recognizing someone’s family comes naturally to me.
So describing my reads sucks. I have a decidedly terrible record. So I agree?
Like my vote is where it is as of when I recognized what you are trying to tell me.
BUT HERE IS THE KICKER
I WAS RIGHT
I DIDNT KNOW WHY BUT I WAS DEAD CERTAIN.
WHEN I AM CERTAIN, I KNOW.
So if I am certain again, I want to at least leave the game something to go on before I go.
Tomorrow, I go to Malibu to take photos with my fiancé. I won’t be here for EOD. I may or may not move my vote before then but I doubt it.
Unfortunately at the moment I am not certain on anyone like I was certain on Rayn. I will try to be before I go but I can only do what I can, I am better at townreads than scum reads.
On July 27 2019 09:59 Chezinu wrote: Ok, trolls need to United and eliminate NoSmurfHere before troll lynching becomes a policy.
But Chez I am lynching myself.
I have become the type of troll that no longer desires to continue...
Save yourself!!!!
Chezinu never concedes!
But I must have certitude.
And I want to spend tomorrow with soon to be wifey; I don’t want mafia getting in the way of that.
In Cupid’s world, I have found my lover and want to be shot. She is not in this world, so I desire to pass to the next to be with her with all of myself.
But I will miss Chezinu! I will await his joining us in the beyond
Well the fact I survived was a shock until it wasn’t.
TBH I would also have voted Chezinu if I had come back.
Whatever wig and Eversince are right so I guess if I must chose between dishonor and influence my very nature decides for me so i guess I will take advantage of dishonor and do whatever I damn well please
On July 29 2019 08:59 Holyflare wrote: Unfortunately it's not wrong. All bugs does is talk about masons and mason finding, repeating list posts and essentially treating me as confirmed town the entire game even though I've basically done not much still and haven't even died n2 with no medics. Not even a question in his mind.
That is because he is in charge of the night kills, you can tell because they are really weird ones. The vivax nk that nobody even bats an eye to is repeatedly said to be because mafia is bad at hunting for the obvious mason but nobody even gives a shit because finding a mason is dumb and nobody even thought about vivax being one but I can almost guarantee I know which posts made you kill him.
I don't even think you two talk as a hydra. I reckon you have like a convo going where you say to each other ah yeah we're reading this guy this now, better stick to that. I don't think he'd outsource his vote solely to you if he was town last lynch either.
His reads don't look very natural. Eywa is more mafia because he was afk excused?? Slam was certainly mafia at one point but seems like an afterthought after I dropped him. You guys are probably partnered with him. Koshi read? That he was flailing or some shit? Meh.
Really boring. Pandain at deadline didn't look natural questioning koshi at all and that went straight to a town read. Mz read? Straight out of thin air town read.
On July 27 2019 07:17 Tubesock wrote: My question marks are NSH, HF, Eywa, Chezinu, Eversince. I should add Coag too.
Anyone want to talk about any of them? I leave in 30 minutes but can phone post a little later tonight and tomorrow morning before the lynch.
There is host wifom in the Branch slot that was once Coagulation
Hf Eywa town Eversince hasn’t been able to chime in enough or likely scum NSH watch Chezinu probably scum but possibly annoyed with you for not understanding how timelessly important your Survivor reference was (or perhaps, for knowing full well what strings you were pulling)
I don't remember why you think Eywa- is town. Can you recap? Or simply just say you've said why, and I'll find it. But I just read your filter and don't remember.
HF is tough for me. Usually, he does something I don't think a mafia HF would bother with. Of course he hasn't done anything scummy, HF never actually does I don't think. Maybe silly crazy fakeclaimy shit but still... I'm looking forward to see his town light shine tomorrow. No matter what it'll be fun.
While I know the Survivor reference, I don't know how that pertains to Chezinu specifically. I was just using it generically. More a well Chez, you are not playing, so not only do I not have any idea of your alignment, I am not being entertained by your puzzle or hilarity. So, he currently only holds the potential for value to me. Which isn't enough.
Eywa is town because-
Oh got the pronoun and realized why it got mixed up, people confuse Eversince Eywa as they arrived similar time-
HE pushed Rayn in a townie way. I E not evil, just wrong.
On July 29 2019 13:03 NoSmurfHere wrote: omw to the airport.
I literally could make a case on any player in this game. Understandably lots of people don’t have time to play much and neither do I. So discounting activity altogether and judging players purely based on content leads me to the reads that I have. I’ll save my ranting on the quality of play and what dead players did in particular for postgame since it’s not going to do us any good now, and actually overall I enjoyed the game since I could share with Jock and keep myself at ease knowing that I’m not insane given the complete wonk logic that’s being accepted as legit these days.
Meapak, Pandain, Eversince, if any of you are scum here then kudos for making the most sense despite posting very little. On the basis of content alone you’re my strongest townreads. If any of you are town please talk with Jock in my absence, and me if I manage to get some time to post after my flight & back-to-back work Mondays (I get to experience Monday twice yay). There’s a small possibility we can still win if we lynch scum today, though the game seems hopeless. I’m sure no one has a perfect list of scumreads but maybe if we pool them we can figure out which ones overlap and just go with those. I’m personally still very sure on Koshi.
HF, I am hoping you are scum here otherwise I will have some choice words for you in postgame. This game was very winnable but you have an extremely selfish approach to the game and while I like some of the things you pointed out, particularly on slam on d1, that is not enough to overshadow the fact that in general your play is incredibly antitown even when you are town. Regardless of alignment this game is no exception. If you’re scum then kudos
Eywa, branch, FF, slam, Koshi: the townies among you should pull your own weight and establish your innocence & don’t fuck up today. If you vote us, that’s an automatic fail. Read the game and come up with your own opinions instead of sheeping.
I maintain that Koshi is still the best lynch given the information I have at hand. Feel free to read my previous posts on the subject, nothing much has changed.
I’ll see you all on the other side of the Pacific.
-wherebugsgo
Kudos on very inspiring post that wasn’t inspiring to me given the context. You basically proved that I am incapable of playing this game because I am not a social detective.
Despite that, wanna meet up in LA? You have to work the whole time or?
Right now I am in NorCal because my grandfather is ailing. But I travel easily.
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote: Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
On July 29 2019 08:59 Holyflare wrote: Unfortunately it's not wrong. All bugs does is talk about masons and mason finding, repeating list posts and essentially treating me as confirmed town the entire game even though I've basically done not much still and haven't even died n2 with no medics. Not even a question in his mind.
That is because he is in charge of the night kills, you can tell because they are really weird ones. The vivax nk that nobody even bats an eye to is repeatedly said to be because mafia is bad at hunting for the obvious mason but nobody even gives a shit because finding a mason is dumb and nobody even thought about vivax being one but I can almost guarantee I know which posts made you kill him.
I don't even think you two talk as a hydra. I reckon you have like a convo going where you say to each other ah yeah we're reading this guy this now, better stick to that. I don't think he'd outsource his vote solely to you if he was town last lynch either.
His reads don't look very natural. Eywa is more mafia because he was afk excused?? Slam was certainly mafia at one point but seems like an afterthought after I dropped him. You guys are probably partnered with him. Koshi read? That he was flailing or some shit? Meh.
Really boring. Pandain at deadline didn't look natural questioning koshi at all and that went straight to a town read. Mz read? Straight out of thin air town read.
Just mafia my dudes.
Rayn hates the hydra too.
Hm.
I like how everyone keeps conveniently forgetting that rayn decided we were mafia before we even posted anything. I've been defending us from morons and mafia ever since that moment. I'm fucking sick of it now to be honest I'm going to ignore everything the mafia and morons are saying about us and just make the case for koshi dying.
If town decides to listen to mafia and kill us then so be it.
If town decides that their detective work of figuring out that only we would want to kill tubesock and the mafia could never have realized this and used it is better then town loses.
If people are willing to listen to us, to look at day 2 with sensible eyes and see the progression of how that day went from the beginning to the end they will know that we aren't mafia, we've been trying to find mafia this entire time and every time we do people scum read us for it.
Koshi was willing to sheep a vote on us even though he thought we were town. When people started joining us on the koshi vote all of a sudden him and hf turn up and completely change the game going for a chez lynch instead, and hf then uses the results of that lynch to push us, even though he inferred heavily that we were town at the end of day 2. We are the patsy for whoever out of koshi/hf are leading the mafia. Koshi was acting incredibly scummy for the whole of day 2. He was blatantly lying about things that happened, misrepresenting facts etc. etc.
The case has already been made by myself as well as others. There's no reason not to believe koshi is mafia if you believed that yesterday. If you are changing to believe that we are mafia instead on the basis that tubsesock died, then you are easily manipulated and the worst thing about that is that the mafia knows you are easily manipulated.
I'll post again if pandain/eywa/slam/MZ/Branch/ES want to talk about the lynch. Otherwise do what the fuck you want. HF and koshi can do one.
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote: Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
I’m straight up hacker scum yo.
Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?
People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.
People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.
So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.
You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.
Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!
Town reads at this time are HF, Eywa, and Eversince but that is soft due to abscence.
Null reads atm include the hydra, (I think they have a good point in their defense), Branch.AUT, FF, Koshi, and
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote: Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
I’m straight up hacker scum yo.
Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?
People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.
People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.
So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.
You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.
Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!
And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here.
It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.
But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta.
I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia.
4\ Bugs FIrst thought we rolled scum but turns out we're green yay l be here for moral support and guidance and to occasionally shit on logical fallacies from other players
If we end up agreeing independently on a scumread before giving each other our own reasons we can play good cop bad cop
5\ Jock Agrees
6\ Long bugs post on rayn and why he's mafia
7\ Jock - gonna make a spreadhseet - rayn is silly
8\ Basically a copy of the early list post i did that everyone hated with a couple of extra bits that weren't for the thread.
9\ Bugs another set of reads: FF - lean town. Maybe strongest read I have Eywa - lean town Tube - lean town Coag - lean town
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote: Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.
Nope I almost want to lunch you for this.
Anyone voting the hydra from now on makes me suspect them.
Least I can do is say i am sorry. Trying to cut it down and work for my posts but goddamn sometimes I know something and aren’t sure why alright?
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote: Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.
Straight up.
I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.
Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.
Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die
Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop
I’m straight up hacker scum yo.
Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?
People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.
People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.
So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.
You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.
Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!
And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here.
It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.
But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta.
I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia.
Therefore, all their conclusions are shit
I couldn’t think of that at the time.
How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what?
By tickling ears. Every social bee has been wrong plenty too, and misses recognition.
I respect a lot of players that others don’t because I see when they are right, and decide to stop caring because reasons or whatever.
I do not admire the loaded questions popular people use unless it is when they are at least half right or more. Hence I still admire you, BH, etc. And the best types were Foolishness, Ver, incógnita, hapahauli- I understand 100% their respect commanded.
I don’t understand why Tubesock doesn’t have more, why Hurricane Sponge never got off the ground, why, ah, who was it, the other guy with a V name who was an asshole so even I hated him but he was actually an amazing blue hunter, he just left because he never got any sway so he was like “what the hell I’d be better off trolling like the dumbasses who follow Chezinu”
But they get social sway by having catch phrases and using loaded questions to shut down their target regardless of their target’s actual alignment. They get popular by lynching people consistently more than by being right consistently. By trumpeting their skills when they are right and saying that the player sucked/had a bad defense when they are wrong.
I consider that a low blow and dishonorable. I refuse to engage in it. I occasionally try to garner a little respect by pointing out I can be right when I am confident, but I don’t shut people down and I hear them out so
That makes me bad? So I sometimes decide, “why even try in this one?”
So new townreads are Hydra May as well be blue, HF, maybe the smurf.
I am thinking Eywa too.
Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak,
Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful.
On July 30 2019 02:25 Alakaslam wrote: So new townreads are Hydra May as well be blue, HF, maybe the smurf. Branch.AUT
I am thinking Eywa too.
Null is Eversince, Koshi, FF, Meapak,
Can’t remember anyone else and I am willing to reread and give thoughts, but I suspect people would see that as shitting up the thread rather than useful.
Give thoughts! The thread is dead anyway.
Read pandain he's a bit of a mystery at the moment. Eversince is whaaaaaaaaat she normally all over the thread. If I'd subbed in as town I'd be extra keen too.
-J
Pandain that’a right. I think his filter is short too.
On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote: We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too?
Still hits me hard
My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so.
I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them.
Did he just say the hydra had a read on Jock?
....?!?!
On July 24 2019 17:41 Pandain wrote: HF making great points so far and is town (or at least pro-town so far). I think Slam is town too.
Ok, I don’t mind this but right after it is
On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote: Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).
I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia"
In the context of this.
Considering how I was playing. If he didn’t agree with me and didn’t like my spam per se, why did he townread me? At the time a lot of town were townreading me. Vivax, tubesock, I was defending Rayn, from scum’s perspective I think I looked really quite badass early on because most of my wrongness was as regards Chezinu who they did not know was Cop.
On July 24 2019 20:20 Pandain wrote: Your case on Rayn is the only good case I've seen so far and I agree with it. I also would add that I thought it was weird as hell he latched on to scumreading you when all you did was vote coagulation (as if that's a tell in either direction).
I also don't feel compelled to respond to people who write things like "haven't read his posts but I think he's scum" and "him making great points makes him mafia"
What do you think of mz then?
I think he's scummy and would much rather he be the counter lynch rather than Jock/Bugs (remind me again why anyone is voting for them?
He has a really bad argument on you (something about muddying waters? don't really get it) and then has basically a list post later on.
But then he posts this, which is so bad if he is mafia. He should have let them get lynched.
Two minds are better than one. And they had a QT, that they could share whenever Holyflare asked
So rather than assuming “perfect info” and building a scumreading, I’m gonna add Pandain to my townpile.
This progression doesn’t make sense as scum to me, he shouldn’t mind the wagon being Hydra instead of MZ.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
Please tell me what the case on Rayn was then? Because I don’t see it.
On July 23 2019 19:34 Holyflare wrote: And on top of that you said I'm weird this game, did nothing, then wrote a case saying my initial posts were fine. So why were they originally cause for concern rayn?
On July 23 2019 19:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well w/e gonna write on phone. I found you weird vecause the post on pandain didnt sit well with me, neither did the vote on coag after. I thought you had read at öeast some posts when you started posting and if you believed someone actually died you didnt find me weird since i sure would have an opening different than what it was (if there indeed was a nk). Obvs an expllanation would be that you didnt read any posts, which is why i wanted a confirmation on why you actually voted for coag (basically you could give out you in fact rwad posts before you started oosting). Thats why i originally asked about your vote and nothing more.
I don't think there is anything to be said about Tubesock and i also think HF makes a fair point on coag.
On July 23 2019 19:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 23 2019 16:43 Holyflare wrote: Wut why is there a night 0?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: I can't even find anything about a n0 in the op what is going on?
On July 23 2019 16:50 Holyflare wrote: Palmar wasn't even in the game... Right... Carry on :D
On July 23 2019 16:51 Holyflare wrote: Personally I blame Pandain for looking similar to Palmar. I hope you'll take responsibility for this.
Now this is fine i think. Holyflare doesn't read the OP, sees Pandain dying during N0 (because of the green part, i can't even imagine what that would otherwise mean), then realises "shit it's not pandain it's palmar, lol palmar is not even in the game".
Fine, this however doesn't make any sense at all:
On July 23 2019 18:36 Holyflare wrote: I was honestly gonna go into a rant about how shit this game was for having a n0 and how I was confirmed town because I'd never shoot palmar and then I'd already formulated a list of suspects of coag, mz, chez, bugs, possibly you but here we are. I'm still confirmed town though
So AFTER Holyflare realises it's not in fact pandain but palmar who "died" he forms a list of possible candidates. I don't think this makes any sense because either at this point he thinks it was not palmar but pandain or he has already figured out the whole nk doesnt even make any sense.
Can you explain to me how you can make all the red statements together? How can you dislike me for the posts on pandain/palmar and the vote on coag but then say my posts on pandain look fine in your case on me and afterwards say that voting coag is good? Just so you know, I think you're mafia still.
The problem with this case is that it says you are FINE with my Pandain posts after having literally just said in 104 how weird my Pandain posts were! You THEN scum read me for the rant bit (clear misunderstanding, fine, but the first point still stands).
8. Rayn rants at Koshi and says HF makes fair point about Coag 123
There is conflicting info here. Point 3 contradicts point 5 (where you say you are FINE with my Pandain posts) and point 3 also contradicts point 8 where you agree with the Coag points!!
So, you either lied about the Coag and Pandain points making me "weird" since you say you LIKED them in both your case and your rant at Koshi or you've been caught out.
Either way, I'm actually voting you now and implore everyone else to do the same.
On July 24 2019 17:33 Koshi wrote: We paid our honours 10 seconds apart from each other Pandain! Are you town too?
Still hits me hard
My activity today is going to be really low, I apologize. I'm not going to be final on Rayn yet obviously, but the hydra has been far from inactive this game and the scumread on jock because "He's afraid to post" is bad for two reasons: 1. He's been posting a lot 2. He's doing a scumread meta based on his one scum game that was his first game on this site about five months ago or so.
I think it's just really lazy and weak arguments and I don't know how he actually believes them.
On July 24 2019 14:05 Koshi wrote: rayn mafia: 1) He doesnt clearly enough explain why the people he calls mafia are mafia. 2) Expresses his mafia read on me too confidently.
You have seven pages of filter. You've been constantly active. I refuse to believe you somehow missed all of these posts as town. Instead it's much more likely you were skimming any points on rayn because you know he's town and so never took those cases seriously.
Man this is pissing me off all over again.
HF being culturally unaware and Pandain just eating it up because it’s HF. People have been on this world forum for ages and still don’t get ESL struggles? I am not buying THAT! But whatever.
On July 27 2019 04:39 Pandain wrote: Eywa's filter shit and sounds like a giant ass. Unfortunately last game her filter was shit and sounded like a giant ass.
still not a bad lynch though if we can't come to an agreement on other people
On July 27 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote: I just read Rayn. I catastrophically misunderstood him.
how is it even about misunderstanding rayn?
you "misunderstood" the entire thread despite actively reading and responding in it
God almighty no I didn’t you ass.
I transposed vivax’s reads to him. I didn’t completely and totally misunderstand every post.
Transposing reads from one player to another is pretty catastrophic though, wouldn’t you agree? But I still got and understood Rayn the whole way. Better than anyone else I might add. But whatever, I’m unpopular because I am a shitty troll, no one sees with the eyes of CHUPAZI so may they all walk in the dizziness beyond all control -_-
On July 27 2019 04:11 Pandain wrote: Jock and HF seem fine so far. I'll admit I only read the first half of Jock/Bugs filter but they seemed town with their effort, responses, critical thinking, etc...
Don't like Slam's filter. Mainly for two reasons.
1. He completely lies/misrepresents what happened to Rayn day 1
On July 25 2019 02:49 Alakaslam wrote: From the look of things we lose Rayn.
Not good. He is a strong player.
Rayn when you return please just make cases in last bit don’t waste too much time on defense. There comes a point where people won’t change their minds, period.
Anyway, so people can make associations later:
My reason for believing Rayn to be town are mostly on meta. The case against him is basically that he is anti town because he is able to get angry. And not understand sarcasm. Basically.
Bad case. My reasons for scumreading the smurf is trying to shut me down, and a few other things but those are wifom. Not enough to vote on.
I vote him to save Rayn.
Absolutely terrible post. This was not at all the reason for voting Rayn at all. I know townie's can misunderstand stuff sometimes but Slam was active and responding to people the entire thread, I find it hard to believe he actually misread the dozens of actual posts on why Rayn could have been scum. It's more likely he's just TMI knowing rayn's alignment and not really reading those cases.
2. His vote on me
He's voting me because I'm "utterly forgetable" and literally no other reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 07:02 Eywa- wrote: Pandain is uderly forgettable, so it could be him.
Yup this is why he got my vote as well.
HF is a tough catch and I don’t like lynching him early because after about day 1 or sometimes 2 he is one of the most reliable towns who can carry a comeback.
On July 26 2019 07:15 Koshi wrote: Slam. Didnt we both thibk Pandain was town during the night? I'll follow your lead, it's just weird. 😁
Yes, but I was gut feeling that. In the context of HF filter I am more and more thinking Hf actually but Pandain was too damn forgettable.
Meanwhile, he actually scumreads HF and Chezinu but doesn't vote for them , HF for some bullshit "He's a vet" reason and Chezinu...for no reason. + Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2019 06:56 Alakaslam wrote: In all of HF, the confident active poster’s whopping 1.5 pages of filter, he seems to give the impression that scum outnumber the town roughly 3:1
Hell we might even be able to reverse POE with that
I’m actually totally down with both HF or Pandain after reading HF.
On July 26 2019 07:11 Tubesock wrote: FYI Slam often says he needs to die so town isn’t stuck with him lategame as he knows people can’t read him.
Secondly, saying both HF and Pandain may not be mafia probably has more to do with the reality that scumreads are often wrong. Not a lot of people have the same confidence that Eywa- was showing.
Do you actually have a preference right now between HF and Pandain or is everyone just gonna say they think they meet good lynches and then explain nothing?
I’d give it about 24 hours personally before I start considering killing either of them but I agree on principle that HF & Pandain are not bad leads, especially if all of Coag & FF & Chezinu are town (or even two out of three, which is fairly likely)
I want to see more opinions on this list of players:
FF Coag Chezinu HF Pandain
As at least with slam the opinions are already fairly polarized. In my case it’s just a conditional read.
-wherebugsgo
My way of reading HF is essentially he’s mafia until he proves himself town by doing something that makes life for mafia!HF harder for zero reason. But it requires time and I don’t mind giving him days because I know he’s busy. I also am not that afraid of a mafia HF running around though. He gets a lot of heat every game. Except this one, which to me is interesting.
My preference is Pandain (between him and HF). Although I still think you’re mafia but I’m willing to watch you work.
I personally am not giving HF much heat because
1. I read him correctly day 1 for two games in a row then started becoming paranoid when he did jack shit into terrible fake claim in the first game, so I led a wagon that killed him. Then he tunneled someone I thought was obvious town (and got him killed) in the second game and fake claimed again?? So HF’s play is erratic enough that I have no confidence in being able to read him properly atm.
2. He caught on the same thing I did with slam @ EoD
3. Engaging with HF is an easy way to pollute the thread.
As for Pandain, I’ve played with him twice (?) recently and by this point in the game he’s ordinarily posted a lot more, and everyone has already jumped on him to kill him, but I think I can read him well, especially when in that first game we played I was essentially the only person who correctly and confidently believed he was town.
This game he hasn’t done anything to indicate either alignment but the game in general is very slow.
What do you think of Coag and FF then?
-wherebugsgo
This excellently states why I am loth to lynch HF early even if he is my top scumread, which at the moment he is.
WNG/Jock either of you want to read his filter? It’s Hf but it is also short.
"HF is my top scumread" while he's voting me, rofl
On July 26 2019 13:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm gonna stop spamming the thread so ppl can catch up if anyone wants me to respond to anything I will but I'll try not to comment on every new post for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAVWqT2OJI
Oh god this made me feel so guilty. Sorry.... tried to consolidate a bit.
On July 26 2019 14:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 26 2019 12:03 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2019 07:55 NoSmurfHere wrote: [quote]
I want to hear what others think of this post as it sticks out quite a lot especially in light of rayn’s flip.
The good news is that tomorrow morning we have a confirmed townie, so if you are rayn’s partner please do not claim until then.
I also want to hear from you, HF. For everyone else my assignment to you is to tell me your read of HF at this very moment.
Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them.
On July 25 2019 08:51 Tubesock wrote: I townreading FF and Alakaslam. I also townread Coagulation but it's softer.
Yeah Bugs I’ll scumread you for shutting down a player for posting 25 times in a row when it’s a very slow game. It wasn’t like anyone else was around, and You should know that Slam isn’t exactly a high post count player, so shutting him down hurts town. I doubt it took you anymore time to read those 25 posts than it would have if it was all in one.
I think the shade towards FF and Meap post flip are scummy.
Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here
I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that?
I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me.
On July 25 2019 12:24 Vivax wrote: Looks like I forgot to unvote NSH and vote anything else yesterday really..
I think we can all agree that after that mislynch I don't really have to feel arsed to play. He was rather obvious town.
My advice is that you look into HF and pandain.
Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce.
On July 25 2019 17:30 Koshi wrote: [quote] This guy is town most likely. Going so hard against the consensus. Must be thinking aboit the game.
Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads.
On July 26 2019 06:47 Alakaslam wrote: What a short read.
He suspected Pandain and HF mostly. If he is killed this early, I tend to think he was on the right track.
See subsequent vote in vote thread. If folks want a counter wagon, it should be me I think so that my statements can warrant a reread when I am gone.
Because then y’all will realize: 1. I was town, and knew Rayn was too 2. That I was playing pretty carefully and pretty attentively 3. That though I couldn’t explain why, I was right on Rayn and am semi- likely to be right on other reads by EOD D2.
If Hf vs Pandain well idk I somehow feel they aren’t BOTH scum.
I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does.
On July 26 2019 07:09 Koshi wrote: 0% chance slam is mafia. If you think so you shoot up in my mafia list so high kites would be jealous.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote: I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process.
Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out.
I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot.
Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him.
As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument.
First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well”
Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that.
If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly.
i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb
-wherebugsgo
Actually that wasn’t me, for what it’s worth.
I was referring to HF making the jab because HF thinks it’s a low skill move. You can read his gut reaction to the flip, I responded to it so I remember it exists somewhere.
I’m saying that since you apparently know HF so well it’s odd that you find the kill implicated him since the HF I know would not be very likely to kill Vivax unless he delegated the kill or it was a bad attempt at mason hunting, and if it were an attempt at mason hunting then the kill doesn’t implicate anyone because any scum would try that.
In other words there was no town-motivated reason for you to 180 your read that hard because presumably you’d know this already.
-wherebugsgo
You do know that
1. My vote is still on Pandain 2. That I read HF’s filter before changing my mind and encourage others to do the same
Right? Maybe not knowing this is forgivable.
1. So is HF your top scumread or not?
2. What exactly did you find in his filter that changed your mind despite the fact that you read the exact same posts on day 1 and used them to draw the conclusion that he is for sure town?
-wherebugsgo
K I guess, since I haven’t moved my vote, he isn’t. But should Pandain flip town he is. I don’t think they are both scum.
2. Have you read it? Do you actually read my posts?
I am not going to answer this because I believe my flipping town and being reread more seriously is pro-town.
Why does Pandain’s alignment have literally anything to do with HF? It doesn’t
Like you don’t actually answer anything, your conclusions make 0 sense.
If Pandain flips town HF is scum... because....? Unicorns? They can’t both be scum together, why? Why can’t they both be town??? Because I really just mostly think Pandain. But because HF had a nastyass filter which is getting better at least, but also someone on the Rayn train must be scum is something I think I only partly realized, not in a way I could put into words.
And if Pandain flips scum why is HF automatically town thereafter? because then I will have better understood the situation. I am being as confident as I can.
-wherebugsgo
Slam wrote the last thing in green. "nastyass filter" from HF
On July 25 2019 23:56 Chezinu wrote: It looks like there are at least two people that want me to address why I am so mafia. Well, you see the question asked is not a good one. For it is built upon an assumption that is false. In order to explain why I am so mafia, I would have to have a greater alignment to mafia than town. The "so" assumes that I have a greater amount of mafia than they thought should be my baseline. Here I am assuming the baseline to be brown, which would mean they think my color is tinted more red than green. Ryan asked what my color was before he left us. Now two individuals are trying to infer my color through their prejudice. They asked a question in a colorist why. They assumed my color without asking. You see Ryan asked about my color. These two assumed my color.. big difference.
Yes!
I ask you why you behave redly.
You know the way, you have returned from Colorado to the Sequoias!
But you are still at ground level at this post. I shall read thee, most excellent Russian American
On July 25 2019 13:45 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu y u so mafia?
On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote: I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider.
I did mention Chezinu is scummy but I like him too much in person to vote him yet
defense of chez here. honestly i keep people around sometimes too who i like even if i slightly scum read them, but only to a certain extent. In this case, there's two people who he scum reads way more than me (he's never actually scumread me) and two shitty reasons.
I think having a scum read on people and then refusing(indirectly or directly) to vote them is trademark mafia. In this case, Slam is doing it twice. I also don't like his characterizations of the rayn lynch which is complete lies/misrepresentations and sounds like a mafia trying to lecture town about how "obviously wrong" they were.
Good chance to be mafia
In your words what happened to rayn? Where is the misrepresentation? I agree with Slam.
Concerning point 2. I mean sure. You admitted you haven't been active and it's not even a bad reason to lynch you. He explained HF and also said he just personally likes Chezinu. So I can see why he would vote you instead. I've voted for people who were policy over people I thought might be scum but were funny to me so....
Not at all. Slam stated that the case on Rayn was only "he's anti town because he gets angry". It's not at all what anyone was really saying except Jugs (who were not even the main proponents of the lynch and they were the last ones to vote
K here is the thing that pisses people like Rayn, me off.
We cut to the core of an argument. People get distracted by fluff and think by pontificating, they mean something different and forget what they are actually saying, which is why I asked you all to explain to me what the case was organically, not keep pointing to the past and quoting posts and whatnot.
Because you wouldn’t have anything to say because frankly you didn’t remember because, what I was saying, at the core, was true. That from getting angry and misunderstanding sarcasm (that I also missed!) and from making a couple ESL mistakes came a whole load of bullshit about Ryan being scum.
He also remarked that I had higher scumreads I wasn’t voting.
Well, I think my policies of not lynching HF early because people make him out to look bad through fear have paid off, and it would also have been great if everyone loved Chezinu a little more this game.
On July 30 2019 02:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Eywa spends all of day championing a rayn lynch citing her site's amazing scum hit rate on day 1, called rayn bad for being town and then immediately dropped off the face of the earth.
This is some basic level scum shit and nobody cares oh well
Eywa is macho
Eywa doesn’t wear lipstick
Eywa was like wtf when he saw people calling him her
On July 28 2019 02:19 Pandain wrote: that hard defense of slam by koshi is really, really bad.
like he's even saying "I'll sheep you" when Koshi has been independently thinking about reads, coming to conclusions, having his own scum reads, etc... (i.e. no reason to sheep which is normally when you're uncertain/no time)
See I felt this way too, at the time. I think Pandain May have been onto something.
On July 30 2019 03:12 Holyflare wrote: I also lowkey wanted to see the night kill if I didn't die and killing tubesock was something I'd heavily expect bugs to do, especially after Vivax n1. But that's also a massive Koshi thing to do too.
Yeah, thinking it’s koshi. This game I would only look badass to scum and he probably forgot to realize that and couldn’t contain his surprise
On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote: You guys post too much... Holy fuck.
FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches.
On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote: i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller
Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it.
I could see FF too.
And if you aren’t saying that FF was basically saying the close of your post, but rather are saying it yourself, well, so sorry we didn’t listen to your stirring defense of Chezinu.
I think Pandain deserves more “I defended Chezinu” cred than anyone and he didn’t do much
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote: You guys post too much... Holy fuck.
FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches.
On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote: i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller
Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it.
I could see FF too.
And if you aren’t saying that FF was basically saying the close of your post, but rather are saying it yourself, well, so sorry we didn’t listen to your stirring defense of Chezinu.
I think Pandain deserves more “I defended Chezinu” cred than anyone and he didn’t do much
1) I don't defend other players 2) I wasn't even present
1) then you don’t get to shit on bad lynch 2) I know this, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt for saying FF was saying this.
Now that I know you aren’t, quit that shit but thanks for helping. I think you are on the right track rn, What are your thoughts on Koshi? I could see FF too but I have a couple reasons to suspect Koshi.
On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote: You guys post too much... Holy fuck.
FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches.
On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote: i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller
Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it.
FF is a good lynch. Why not koshi?
-J
Isn't Koshi sheeping Alakaslam?
I'm not too worried about him, I'm not sure that openly sheeping your "top town read" all game is a scum strategy. If he's still sheeping Alakaslam, I would continue to use his vote for now regardless of alignment as a second vote on a near universal town read.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.
Oh he is certainly that much of a cretin. Without a shadow of a doubt
lmao, I am enjoying this scum theater.
I get that you think I'm scum but shit like this doesn't actually help and it feels just like day 1 when you were sure rayn was scumming it up
Ouch
Well if he has bad reasoning you can be sure I will loudly proclaim your defense with zero reasoning until you die
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.
Well, he does claim to worship Satan
I would doubt he's a deist satanist, if anything he's probably a la'veyan or non denominational.
That said it'd be cool to finally sat I know a satanist who actually believes in Satan's existence.
He made some remarks about Satan being awesome, but maybe they were facetious. Saying Satan didn’t make him do stupid shit like X
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.
I like your approach to the game.
HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.
Would you say that Alakaslam seems like he's having fun?
Haven't read the entirety of the gloriousness that is his filter. He has way to many posts unrelated to the game for my taste. Probably enjoying his life.
The life part, yeah mostly
I mean, gonna get married in October, live in LA, not dirt poor- like I have a lot to be thankful for.
Just have to get control over my life by making the dough myself, that’s all. In a great spot.
On July 30 2019 09:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I read Branch first, I'm not gonna go over the debate that we had about Koshi and the logic behind Smurf's Koshi push. I still believe Branch was being obtuse and not fully thinking through the implications of their reads. Furthermore, as many people have pointed out, this vote was trash:
On July 28 2019 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote: Cutting it very close to deadline here. I dislike this Chezinu Lynch sinze it's 8/11 just bad. Voting him anyway because of town
And just because Branch acknowledges it does not exonerate him from making it.
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote: Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.
If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.
It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.
Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.
This right here is reaching to make connections in the extreme, which is funny because that's exactly what Branch accused me of doing when I tried to walk them through the logic behind his reads. The best thing HF has done this whole game has been to pull those logs from the Hydra. Since I townread the Hydra, Occam's razor says that HF is also town and simply looking to get a clearer picture. And Branch is trying to throw doubt on that.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
Calling me scum entails coagulation claiming scum with first post and actually being scum. I don't know the man but I'm quite certain hes not that much of a cretin.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
See I am pretty sure Eywa has something to offer
Your suspicion of me for a horrendous vote is warranted. As mentioned earlier this stems from me voting very rushed because I was short on time before deadline.
If you read my filter you will realize that my entire game has been applying logic to finding scum.
And see this is something I've been having a problem with throughout Branch's filter. between his declaration regarding his lack of meta as well the extremely robotic tone (someone actually used this word to describe him and I agree), it feels like Branch is trying super hard to put up a facade of controlled logic and reason. Slam talked a bit about emotion earlier and it honestly would be a fun postgame discussion to get into in the Community thread about the role emotion plays in forum mafia. I personally believe that attempts at "Pure Logic & Reasoning" serve more as a hiding place for scum rather than a bastion of good town thought. Townies do stupid illogical things, too dumb to be scum is a phrase for a reason no matter how much I hate it. Scum is more likely to post in a controlled manner imo.
That was a lengthy paragraph about meta on a player who has already reminded us he has none so it's kinda useless to overall scumhunting but in the interest of transparency that's where part of my gut scum read of Branch comes from.
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.
I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.
I like your approach to the game.
HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt. Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.
This was a funny post to me because it sounded odd and I couldn't place it until I realized; it's a copy of a post in my filter:
On July 24 2019 21:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Tubesock, people wanna kill the hydra and I don't buy it, you're one of the few people critically thinking this game and you've scumread them. Spell it out for me like I'm stupid.
Part of me can't help but wonder if Branch has "logically deduced" that this is how I like to communicate as mafia and is trying to head off me scumreading him since it probably wasn't hard to deduce I was suspicious of him after our initial interaction.
On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: Branch who's your top scum read right now?
-J
I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.
Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread. Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.
Who are yours?
Again, people have already pointed out how bad this post is but since I'm here I'll throw in my two cents. For someone who has talked about the importance of voting your scumread (which I agree with!) Branch's hesitancy to say anything at all about HF is very strange. When responding to a post asking for reads Branch proceeds to throw out names with no reads. It goes back to the earlier questions I had for him in regards to his opinions of Koshi. He talks about how Koshi looks "guilty as hell" but then when I pushed him on it, he came back to say that he had never called Koshi scum. Branch likes to hide behind the technicality of never calling anyone "scum" (except for the hydra which at this point I think he's backed off of) and merely saying "suspicious".
This is all worth remembering because the last bit from Branch I don't like is his big list of reads:
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote: 1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt 2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town 4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts. 5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious 6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious 7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read 11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious 12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town 14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town
This post takes no responsibility for the reads within it. Does he actually believe any of the suspicious people are scum? Who knows. Hell he even calls HF suspicious and then gives him a townread. This post and his play so far during this day cycle scream attempts at dodging responsibility. I don't have a problem with the questions that he's asked people in a vacuum, however when there is no follow up to the questions and seemingly no coherent push being made based on information gained from asking them, this falls under what I used to call "contributing without contributing" i.e. creating seemingly town content without actually having to make a stand on anything.
I didn't really come into this post certain one way or another of Branch's alignment but it was something that was bothering me yesterday before the lynch. Having had some time to sit down and go over things I'm fairly comfortable calling Branch scum. This also reinforces my scumread of Koshi because of Branch's chainsaw defense at the end of D2.
TL;DR If you don't want to read all of the post, my biggest and strongest argument for Branch being scum is the incredibly careful way he goes about avoiding making any real scumreads. Not only that but his attempt to lynch the hydra looks very much like a chainsaw defense of Koshi imo.
This is a great post. Why would we assume branch to be town?
But I think the points on Koshi to be stronger and he was so weird with me. How the hell did he know I was being a badass?
On July 30 2019 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today:
On July 30 2019 03:15 Eywa- wrote: You guys post too much... Holy fuck.
FecalFeast has to be the lynch today, I mean... His filter is terrible, just keeps pushing random reads off of the main wagons, but doesn't actually push them hard enough to push them through. Then he calls other people scum for pushing mislynches.
On July 26 2019 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote: i still think mason should claim because if mafia shoots mason that's a probable guaranteed cop check unless they hit the RB and or the miller
Also, this feels a lot like PR hunting. WHERE DID THAT GUARANTEED COP CHECK GO? Oh... Y'all lynched it.
On July 30 2019 03:18 Eywa- wrote: Branch is scum too, I think it was around page 33 where he was randomly trying to throw a few names into the barrel who weren't currently causing havoc in the thread. Reads like a player who came in and is like, damn, my ISO sucks, let's create some chaos right off the start.
This is correct.
As long as Eywa is gonna vote people who are scum and not me I'm not gonna scumread them for being a douchebag. I think his reasoning for not voting koshi is stupid because we really need to be lowering scum numbers ASAP but as long as we vote for one of Koshi or Branch I think we should be good. I need to really reread FF now because he's come up several times in other filters.
I wanna read your filter next rest stop and try to find who thought you were mafia and why.
There may be scum in that pile, too many people did but it may shed some light.
slam/eywa/branch figure yourselves out but right now I’d kill branch
-wherebugsgo
I think it’s just Branch man.
But I do deserve the coin flip rep even this game lol considering as scum I will go to any lengths to win (assuming I have internet) and could totally pull this look off. Have done before in fact.
On July 30 2019 10:42 Fecalfeast wrote: Also was considering making a QT and showing how easily I could fake 10 QT posts because I have like 100 qts with everyone's qt usernames and shit to reference but I am far too lazy
On July 30 2019 12:37 NoSmurfHere wrote: Branch shading me on my Coag replacement reaction of “Game is harder than it should be” had a really convenient timing now that I went back and looked at it again.
I’ve committed a cardinal sin and reread something for only the 2nd or 3rd time this game but that one might have been worth it.
Right at that time was when I had a post to eversince about needing time to understand why slam would martyr in that situation, in the way he did, as well as getting cold feet on FF purely on tone-basis (and secretly, because we were getting 0 traction on FF)
As an alternative to slam/FF I proposed Koshi. Right around that time branch starts flinging poop at us.
Hmmm....
-wherebugsgo
Man alive bugs I owe you an apology.
You’ve been on fire this game and I suspected you for it, slung shit at you for it, and got petulant for it.
I must seem like the fatass playing Warcraft at home to you. Man alive but I do feel marginalized in here when I finally find something. I gotta learn communication skills.
I also realized not everything is implicit and punctuation is important in English, period. It suddenly dawned on me with this weird idea:
It is hard being a man, child.
It is hard being a man child
One is a warning the other is a pathetic statement.
On July 31 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote: There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.
Why?
That’s literally been the theme of this game.
I’m tired of explaining why we want to kill Koshi. You’re not reading so I see no reason why we need to explain things again. You weren’t reading when I was telling you why I think Koshi was a better kill than Chezinu so you getting worked up now is starting to rub me the wrong way
On July 31 2019 03:40 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote: Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please? Someone determined that it's not mylo right
Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?
You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af
It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone
-wherebugsgo
Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?
If you meant this, branch, then I think you aren’t reading properly. I indeed have thought HF was scum at various points in this game and honestly even now his behavior is strange enough that he might be scum here.
However he simply is not the best lynch. There are enough reasons to call him town and not enough to call FF/Koshi town that it makes no sense to discuss him now, 1 hour before lynch, when we are not going to lynch him.
It bothers me that we have 30 minutes to go to deadline and you are trying to distract from the lynch at hand. Why is it important to discuss, at this very moment, my opinion on HF? Are we killing HF? No? Then why??
And this is coming from someone who called us out on supposed whataboutism earlier in the game. You must be scum here.
-wherebugsgo
I mean you're mistaken if you think I'm not seeing the case for Koshi. I'm pretty certain I said I don't care which of the two die and I'd vote for either. I'm just seeing a distinct lack of push in any direction other than branch onto shitty eywa lynch which is strange considering how close the lynches are.
Not really getting worked up about it so go bark up another tree, my friend.
FF is certainly scum, literally the only person who was annoyed by us being townread on the basis of being able to paraphrase QT posts and it lining up with our in-thread opinions.
Koshi is certainly also scum.
I personally don’t give two shits who dies between the two of them.
On July 31 2019 04:22 Holyflare wrote: There's been a fuck tonne of words the past few pages but no compelling sentences on why we should lynch anyone's favourite target over anyone else.
Why?
That’s literally been the theme of this game.
I’m tired of explaining why we want to kill Koshi. You’re not reading so I see no reason why we need to explain things again. You weren’t reading when I was telling you why I think Koshi was a better kill than Chezinu so you getting worked up now is starting to rub me the wrong way
On July 31 2019 03:40 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 31 2019 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote: Can the people on me at least mention what they'll do when i flip town. Please? Someone determined that it's not mylo right
Why do you keep asking this instead of doing something actually useful?
You’ve been asking for thread sentiment the whole game (like how you asked how people are reading branch) instead of actually forming your own read or opinions and it’s scummy af
It’s also always somehow really meek when at least some of your pushback when the game was less clear, especially when pushing back against people who were clearly going to die (like rayn) had a much different tone
-wherebugsgo
Holyflare has been doing the same exact thing with me. You never once called him scum. How come?
If you meant this, branch, then I think you aren’t reading properly. I indeed have thought HF was scum at various points in this game and honestly even now his behavior is strange enough that he might be scum here.
However he simply is not the best lynch. There are enough reasons to call him town and not enough to call FF/Koshi town that it makes no sense to discuss him now, 1 hour before lynch, when we are not going to lynch him.
It bothers me that we have 30 minutes to go to deadline and you are trying to distract from the lynch at hand. Why is it important to discuss, at this very moment, my opinion on HF? Are we killing HF? No? Then why??
And this is coming from someone who called us out on supposed whataboutism earlier in the game. You must be scum here.
-wherebugsgo
You've called me scum at every point in this game, no matter what I did, so I no longer care about your opinion. Green flip, best defense.
If the Koshi lynch was as certain as you want it to be, we wouldn't be havin this conversation. Your reasons for voting Koshi are weak as garbage. And the only reason Koshi has so many Votes, is because your Hydra is supposedly confirmed town.
On July 31 2019 09:10 NoSmurfHere wrote: Pandain, Meapak, people who’ve been around for a while:
Have all the games you’ve been in recently (like last.1 year) been like this one?
Just curious to know if you feel there’s a significant difference in playstyles.
-wherebugsgo
Oh god no.
They’ve been spammer but got better. This one has been the worst shitshow of nastiness, makes me martyr more. I have contributed to that shit ass atmosphere.
I usually am happier, post more youtube, and can occasionally say something sage that people will actually key in on.
Rayn has been a great barometer of game quality here. When he quits, games be shit
On July 31 2019 11:42 Alakaslam wrote: So yes, huge difference. I was actually around for you long time ago. Like 2011 stuff, I wasn’t even Alakaslam yet but I just obsed game’s.
I used to be way more of a raging shitter and damn I am regretful for all of the things I said back then.
I think I’m chiller and talk way more now but the games are actually more painful IMO
On July 31 2019 11:42 Alakaslam wrote: So yes, huge difference. I was actually around for you long time ago. Like 2011 stuff, I wasn’t even Alakaslam yet but I just obsed game’s.
I used to be way more of a raging shitter and damn I am regretful for all of the things I said back then.
I think I’m chiller and talk way more now but the games are actually more painful IMO
-wherebugsgo
I remember during the last mafia game I re-read one of your past games from like pre-2013.
You were such a different person
You should read my last two (?) games before my hiatus. I raged hard LOL.
I think one was Witchcraft Mafia. Scum had 3 KP on N1 if they lynched a townie, and I tunneled two scum d1. No idea how I convinced people when I posted so abrasively all the time.
I miss the days when Blazinghand and I would troll that we’re the same person. I still remember when he was new and played his first couple games
-wherebugsgo
Yup
These were the games where I got the whole Blazinghand drift, that kind of humor was right up my alley at the time but I knew I couldn’t pull it off convincingly myself. I was so new to the Internet.
On August 06 2019 08:31 Alakaslam wrote: From now on, I am lynching all assholerry. It is unpleasant and too effective a cover for scumplay from my perspective
On August 06 2019 11:16 wherebugsgo wrote: btw as an aside I think my opinion on the self vote rule has changed.
I used to think that there were really niche situations where killing yourself would end discussion and allow the game to progress in a way that is beneficial to your faction.
Given that there are people that will now do this at LYLO as town and it becomes a really stupid scumhunting "heuristic" (aka martyrs cannot be scum fallacy) think it should go back to being against the rules.
I think the vast majority of self-voting cases are playing against your own wincon and we should not allow that if playing against your own wincon is against the rules. It's not fair to the other players if you've got one person who'd rather refuse to play and end the game early rather by playing against their own wincondition than actually doing what's expected of them.
Duly noted, and as a massive hypocrite I agree. It won’t be allowed in my game.
On August 08 2019 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was corazon, cheesecake and someone as mafia, i ahave a very good memory and my memory says i pressured corazon to basically claim mafia into we pushing cheesecake n1 into concede.
On August 08 2019 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote: thanks to rayn the forum has mostly died already.
Aside from everything else give me or everyone on this forum the data towards this. I hate this shit, i honestly do, i had this talk with someone years agao and she couldnt back onto anything she ever said, why am i killing this forum? Why? Give me some evidence? Last time i tried talking the other party went crying home and that was not because me being mean. I am not mean unless you start it. 100%.
So fuck you bugs, give me some facts right now.
Oddly enough I have spoken with a lot of people from this forum that are expats in person.
Actually, Chezinu, Grack and I are responsible for more people leaving than Rayn.
Yes, he is spammy in that he posts a lot and has a following for that but the three I just listed spam stuff that is nigh unreadable and work from that.
On August 08 2019 22:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Bugs I love you but I think blaming Rayn for the forum losing activity is a little harsh.
I think a lot of us grew up and got jobs and lives and our free time to scroll endlessly through TL disappeared... at least that's what happened in my case. I still enjoy playing and pop in every now and then when I have a stretch of time that will support me reading a thread forna few hours a day.
Precise. And the three I mentioned weren’t spamming game relevant things which made it worse.
On August 08 2019 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote: thanks to rayn the forum has mostly died already.
Aside from everything else give me or everyone on this forum the data towards this. I hate this shit, i honestly do, i had this talk with someone years agao and she couldnt back onto anything she ever said, why am i killing this forum? Why? Give me some evidence? Last time i tried talking the other party went crying home and that was not because me being mean. I am not mean unless you start it. 100%.
So fuck you bugs, give me some facts right now.
Oddly enough I have spoken with a lot of people from this forum that are expats in person.
Actually, Chezinu, Grack and I are responsible for more people leaving than Rayn.
Yes, he is spammy in that he posts a lot and has a following for that but the three I just listed spam stuff that is nigh unreadable and work from that.
EPT![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/6DREQb1.jpg)
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Blazinghand drift, that kind of humor was right up my alley at the time but I knew I couldn’t pull it off convincingly myself. I was so new to the Internet.![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7527pa7qs9kCG78A/giphy.gif)
