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NoSmurfHere
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ES holding votes for a longass time is rubbing me the wrong way too. I think if MZ got jumped on like he did yesterday it’s likely that at least one scum would hold their vote to see if they can push an alternate Branch as much as his posts are dumb looks townier. Arguing up to EOD...? Is he really gonna put that effort in as a new scum player? -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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Eversince is still a great lynch for all the same reasons as yesterday. MZ said that push was bullshit. MZ mafia. -J | ||
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On August 03 2019 05:28 Eywa- wrote: Nice, I mean, at least 1 of my early reads were good. >_< + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3oFzmiMu3v4LIXpJBK/giphy.gif) -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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On August 03 2019 05:32 Koshi wrote: Leave your reads. I just left mine, ES and pandain. I wanna go through MZ filter though so that could change before end of night. -J | ||
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On August 03 2019 05:32 Koshi wrote: Well if you guys agree on Pandain. We will do Pandain. Wait. Me you and bugs all agree on Eversince, you didn't seem to agree on pandain. Lynch eversince. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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Lets figure this out before we die. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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I’d kill Eversince too. But there is a good chance that mafia bussed today. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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On July 25 2019 01:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: Man I can’t believe I’m actually saying this but Koshi has been making a lot of sense in the past page or so. The best two choices we have for lynch today are rayn and MZ. Personally I’m not accepting any others, as I honestly don’t have much reason to suspect anyone else yet and I don’t really have that many town reads either. I prefer killing rayn over MZ: I find MZ scummy but I waffle on him because last game he did similar things, where he didn’t provide many reads or vote at all until very late, and was wishy washy throughout. Also, he seems to defend me & jock based on believing the reasoning for voting us is bad and partly rayn drunk posting but then tries to get tube to explain why we’re scum. If MZ is actually town and legitimately believes we’re town then I could see him potentially trying to just shore up his read here but it comes off as extremely passive & non-committal. Jock I think felt more confident on MZ being scum than I did but now is backtracking (?) a bit. I’ll let him comment with his own thoughts if he wants to. I’m off to bed and won’t be back for another 9-12 hours or so. -wherebugsgo We started with this and then lynched several townies in a row. I’m bad. both of us caught on MZ day 1 and I got distracted by townies being dumb and playing contrary to their wincon as happens every game. Oh well. Credit to Jock for pursuing that today when I haven’t had the time nor desire to reread at all and rereading is really critical here. MZ townread Koshi and Tube: On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I think it’s really rare that scum will hard townread a partner early in the game, usually they just townread an actual townie because it’s an easy read to fake. Scumreads they often piggyback unless they’re really bold and active and MZ is not a scum leader, he hates playing scum (although I think his scum play has improved!) So we can probably safely eliminate Koshi as a possibility here. If MZ did indeed hard townread a scum partner on d1 and then hard pushed him later in the game (and complained about him not dying) then I will swallow my hat, that’s some seriously skilled scum play. On July 26 2019 22:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The last six hours of Koshi have taken him off my strongest town read list. The sellout defense of slam is not a good look. In my opinion nobody has yet really addressed the TMI piece of the slam case well. And I can't shake my gut meta read either. I'm reasonably certain HF is town at this point which makes me less confident vivax was killed because of his reads and more likely scum were hunting the other mason. Pandain is still on my scum list but that's just based off of activity and meta rather than vivax. The people trying to get the Hydra killed are really off the mark here. If anything the Hydra is one of the few people most actively scumhunting. Tube I understand you're kinda playing the devil's advocate this game but at this point I think your tunnel of the hydra is unproductive. Nice distancing there On August 02 2019 00:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: But Hydra, Eversince, and Pandain, I need you guys to read this over and seriously think about the lynches you are pushing. Look at Branch. This dude is literally looking for the most opportune lynch to park his vote on and ride out the day. I honestly can't say I've read eversince that closely but I will not be on the same wagon as Branch at lylo. Very convenient list of 3 names. I do really think scum’s plan was to win it yesterday by having us all kill branch. It’s kinda proven by what MZ was posting. It also lines up with how damn long both ES and Pandain both 1.) waited to do anything at all (Pandain only mysteriously showed up when I called him out for being a lurking asshole) and 2.) voted. Just kill Pandain and eversince. GG. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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If we’re not alive tomorrow then this needs to be priority #1 to flesh out. Why would you ever say only one of Pandain/MZ is scum? Next, you’ve got to explain why, if Koshi is scum here, would MZ hard bus him on d2 when Koshi had a real good chance of dying. He was runner up to Chezinu and it wasn’t clear that Chezinu would even die at various points when MZ a was pushing Koshi. MZ also hard town-read Koshi early day 1 and it’s a read he flipped on thread sentiment (specifically, Koshi looking worse after rayn died & not doing anything & us trying to kill Koshi) -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 03 2019 11:30 Eversince wrote: I never said Pandain was 100% town if MZ was mafia.. I said I think there was one mafia between Pandain/MZ. Assuming I think Koshi/Branch is scum I can't think both are mafia yeah?? You make a decent points but I can see a world where mafia just bus m!Koshi early on (D2). He was in trouble D2 so why not bus him when it looks like he can be lynch? Pandain could make sense here, though I thought Slam distancing from Koshi was off for the same reason you said here about MZ/Pand.. I decided then it had to be 1 town/ 1 mafia and Koshi made more sense as mafia.. Same logic applies here :p. What are your real reasons for scum reading me? I've reread and it's mostly 'ES is super low active' & 'ES isn't herself'. I already explain how activety is bogus reason to scum read me several times. Check out Simple game of mafia if you want proof of my statement -.-.. I was super low activity, didn't spend a ton of time explaining reads, as town that game too. If you guys won't explain a reasonable cause for wanting to lynch me outside this I'm just going to have giggle fits when the game ends when I die  !You write a lot but really say nothing. You think one mafia between Pandain/MZ but this is not thinking Pandain is town now? Do you think Pandain is town or not? Very simple question. Secondly, slam vs Koshi doesn’t matter at all given that between the two a scum has not flipped. No idea how you can make effective associations between players when one flips town or even associate the two pairs here when only MZ has flipped scum. There is no “distancing” when slam was town and Koshi is unflipped. My reason for scumreading you independent of POE is that 1. instead of helping to figure out the game you throw out a town of maybes and possibilities, basically only when forced to, 2. you spend most of the day afk with your vote uncommitted and then 3. never follow up on promises (what happened to those rereads?) and now 4. you spend most of your effort pointing me to past games to defend yourself instead of doing anything useful. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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Literally the only two players MZ pushed were Koshi and Branch. Conveniently, the same players you and Pandain were pushing. Now why the fuck would scum MZ bus BOTH HIS TEAMMATES in order to draw the game out when he hates playing scum and instead could just get a flawless victory? Did you really think that after the NK our lynch would be MZ? It’s the first thing that has gone against the scum team this game, I highly doubt they were expecting that. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 03 2019 11:49 Eversince wrote: I'm obvious bad at explaining here.. How is me thinking 1 mafia between Koshi/Slam (prior flip), and me thinking 1 mafia between MZ/Pand any different? I gave up pressure on Slam (not that I ever pushed him real hard in the first place), I wasn't even considering between the two but given I think BOTH Koshi/ Branch are scum I LITERALLY CAN NOT think both are scum there. If the were that makes 4 mafia and game would already be over. You made sense on why you think Koshi/ Branch are less likely to be mafia so I say your logic is good.. I'll re-eval, but my point is it's not unheard of that mafia just busses m!Koshi (who is looking like lynch D2 here). Then none of these guys are driving factors unless you count MZ FF case. At any rate I've already said I've waffled on Pandain most of the game to begin with anyway. So just to save you time going to look for it, he's still nullish for me but I liked him a little better for trying to deflecting off of Chezinu with me. But that's possible bias, as I tend to not try to read to much into Pandain anymore (I think he's scum every game). It could be m!Pand knowing Chezinu is town and trying to make himself look better. *shrugs* I already said I'd filter later but haven't done so because I have shit to do  .So you think mafia MZ bussed both his teammates, Koshi and Branch, on the day when mafia could have easily won by mislynching once. Not only that, but also: 1. Koshi was vote #3 2. Branch hammered at vote #4 3. Koshi and Branch were not united in pushing a secondary lynch So mafia premeditated this mega bus? What an amazing play. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 03 2019 13:04 Eversince wrote: Hmm, actually I don't get it.. Why wasn't I just lynched today? MZ defend, but Koshi/ Branch both jump on my lynch. Mafia could of just lynch me today for easy win. It's not like I have any influence or am around to really defend myself 90% of the time.. Lacking better reason than I'm easy to lynch makes me think even more that mafia play here. They got stuck because you ended on MZ and your vote was the forced vote target.. Branch (the only other option via Pandain [who never actually pushed for him]) was never getting lynched (you t!Branch)So maby Koshi/Pandain? Both Branch/ Koshi (Koshi super wierd because he went from OMGUS m!ES read to 'weakest scum read' to posting a couple of my post, then not even reading the rest and just calling me confirm mafia. This fits your perspective of mafia just trying to end game by ML (on t!ES). Question in my mind then is why not try harder for it? Because I think if mafia team consolidated on me with one swayed vote they would of won last cycle.. Assuming I'm town Bugs/J, who would be mafia outside Pandain then? Right, what a mystery indeed that Meapak didn’t hammer his own scum partner on a day that he thought he could get branch (most likely a townie) lynched. What a mystery indeed when Meapak spent the most effort out of anyone trying to kill Branch when he could’ve just hammered you, a supposed townie. So many mysteries here in your made-up make believe world where you’re town but I see no mysteries at all if you and Pandain are scum together. gg, you should concede now. Every post you make just makes you look worse. -wherebugsgo | ||
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On August 03 2019 13:45 Eversince wrote: *laugh* You know, as much as I hate martyr, I probably would concede. But town can't do that crap. So you are stuck with me  !! I'm not going to fight this much though. I lose hotspot soon unless I can renew and I won't know that until Monday morning. I'll try to prove myself town but if everyone wants to lynch me anyway just lynch me before Pandain because at least then new games can start. If my post make me look worse then fine. I don't care. at least post-game I can say I tried to tell you people! I roll over for no one hehe !Feel free to do what you promised and filter Pandain & then tell us what to do with him. You know, cause you seem to have spent quite a bit of time pointlessly “arguing” with me now. I say pointlessly because you literally don’t ever come to a proper conclusion ever. And why make preemptive excuses for things and martyr/claim you don’t care about dying when if you’re town you could’ve already played the game about five times over? -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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Players 1) NoSmurfHere me = dumbass Jock = god, town MVP 2) Holyflare Vanilla Townie killed night 3 Uncooperative, selfish, master antitown plan schemer 3) Raynpelikoneet Single Sexy Mason lynched day 1. Dunning-Kruger effect 4) Alakaslam Vanilla Townie killed night 3 Philosopher 5) Fecalfeast Vanilla Townie lynched day 3 That guy who gets lynched for being a dick 6) Eywa That guy who lynches others by being a dick (aka me 1.0) 7) Pandain Dictionary definition of active lurker 8) Coag: hope your dog is okay Branch: that noob who is a noob (but isn’t) and posts complete nonsense with utter confidence 9) Tubesock Single Sexy Mason killed night 2. Thought his dead partner’s reads were good enough for a game-long tunnel 10) Chezinu Parity Cop lynched day 2 Inexplicable as always. Inactive so 3x usual mystery levels 11) Koshi Is Koshi 12) Meapak_Ziphh Cupid lynched day 4 Hates being scum LOL + Show Spoiler + wp though, seemed very different from what I remember your scum game like...at least after day 1? Or maybe the style of everyone else is now super distracting so you could just appear townie to me. But I’m a dumbass. Regardless wp 13) Vivax Vanilla Townie killed night 1 Got shot cause scum couldn’t figure out the real mason 14) Eversince Replaced Night 1. Has time to post but not time to read OBS OF SHAME 1) Conversion Probably laughing at all of us rn 2) 3) -wherebugsgo | ||
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On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote: Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish. Sorry I misread this post originally. I’m so so sorry for your loss. + Show Spoiler + I’m dreading the day I have to do this for my own pup and he’s getting there himself. Coag if you need someone to talk to feel free to PM me. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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Check out this circular logic from MZ. Trying to lynch FF but also trying to townread eywa? On July 30 2019 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's actually incredibly hard to do an honest analysis of someone who has been calling you scum with literally nothing to back up the claims since like D1. I've kinda been ignoring most of what Eywa has said because I don't feel like giving the time of day when he doesn't have any reason aside from his gut (which helped get rayn killed). It's very tempting to OMGUS a case because this dude seems like a real asshole (hate when people talk about their home sites). But I agree with a couple points he's made today: This is correct. On July 30 2019 09:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Gonna pick up my read of FF where I left off, this is already not a great start: This actually makes me feel better about not going after Eywa now. Scum team: Koshi, Branch, FF He's using eywa's scumread of FF to scumread FF and townread eywa, and then uses FF attacking eywa to confirm both. -J | ||
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On August 03 2019 21:27 Branch.AUT wrote: I agree that a scum strategy of 2 active seeking a mislynch, and a third unconnected person as a failsafe makes sense. I had also considered this possibility, but was hesitant to devote too much time in case the game ended yesterday. Im going to read through eywa/pandain/eversince with thisnin mind over the next few hours. One more thing bugs/jock, since you have the modt town cred, and probably will die now. Ease name a successor, ro lead the lynch. One united vote is still necessary, and I think this would help our case Make sure you read MZ. His filter is short but interesting. You might be able to use it to figure out who's mafia. I had a brief look this morning but nothing too detailed. As for who will lead town, it doesn't really matter because its 3vs2 either way and you and koshi will probably vote together. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
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So whichever one of you is the townie: you are literally the game decider lol. -wherebugsgo | ||
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But anyway, we need to figure out which one is the townie in those 3. -wherebugsgo | ||
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