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On April 30 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Slow-moving games are slow-moving. Like after I posted I COMPLETELY forgot about this game until now so I was anticipating having like 10 pages at least for my punishment. Finding mafia in this environment might actually be pleasant. :D Not gonna lie, almost forgot this game was a thing as well. Also happy to see i missed a page. | ||
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Jock should know enough at this point (especially after his first game) on how to at least FoS people or pressure people. Given that hes not adding content, showed he was lurking thread waiting (replied literally like 2 minutes after i voted) and hasnt offered anything other than "im not scum, people be bad" I get its day 1 and day 1 can be a crap shoot but at least try for fucks sake. | ||
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On May 01 2019 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Youre saying he knows how to look town as scum and now he is not (since he was scum in the first game)? Im saying hes experienced enough at this point to know things he should be doing as town and isn't. Add in his cocky comment would lead me to believe A) hes Red B) hes being an unhelpful tard. Given that its day 1 Id lynch someone (especially so early in the day with next to no content) who fits those metrics. If hes town he still has plenty of time to change my mind though, so its on him now. | ||
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Jock Rels FF Rels and FF are interchangeable atm. If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements. In terms of everyone else. BC - Town Pandain - lean town WBG -lean town HF - lean town VE - Lean town Koshi - Neutral Rayn - Neutral Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town. | ||
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Also its day 1. There are players that play a really good day 1. | ||
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Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons. Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value. Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that. I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates. | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you ever say this in comparison to your D1 filter? Like you literally had one fucking topic all D1 and they ended up being town, not to even mention Grack called your mislynch town. So? Compare the differences. Regardless of whether i was right or wrong (clearly i was wrong). I had a stand on a specific person. IE I made a hard call. This gives someone a starting point to analyze me. Take your pick on what you think that makes me. Grack has posted a few town reads, and aside from a justification vote on rels never gave reasons for why he thought vivax was scum or why he voted for him. | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am heavily disappointed in this part of your post. You are super pushy and all that shit but when it comes to certain people you fear(?) that you might not get the edge of them even if they are mafia? what the fuck is this shit even? Just call someone mafia if you think they are mafia, what game are you playing? Remember end of the world? I am currently not committed enough to an opinion to literally shit a thread up. You and HF will spam hard defend yourself and I have to believe bugs would given my past interactions with him in old games. Currently as I'm not 100% why would I potentially derail a thread to let mafia hide in (in the chance im wrong). Remember I was mafia in end of world where the shit with HF played to mafia advantage and pushing the right way led to a clusterfuck of a thread. Id like to avoid that. | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grack also madea hard stance on jock, before anyone did the same. Idk what do you expect him to do if he is telling the truth and thinks jock was town? Should he still have voted for him or what? I expect a player who is clearly being active to play the game. A lot of his posts are either fluff / troll / non game relevant. His hard stance on not voting Jock is fine for not voting jock. But the reasons he has for voting where he landed were non existent. Why spend more time justifying a town read than talking about your mafia read? | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:46 Holyflare wrote: How can you not have a read on me when the 2 main people I've made cases on are/were BOTH your scum reads (pandain/jock) and I'm pushing bugs for what you're saying - that he's underwhelming? Because almost every game you are in I waffle between you being mafia or not for at least 2 -3 game days. Literally Same with Rayn. You both have a playstyle that makes me rage as town, and cheer as mafia. Sitting back and attempting to actually see through my own bias to try and get a read is still hard given its well, n1. | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay. my problem is i cant figure out your alignment and i would like some clues to do that. unfortunately i can't do that for you. we'll see later on in case i live. Eh? if you can't figure out mine based on what I have posted but have such a hard town read on grack (which is what your defense of him felt like) Then i'm not sure how I can help you beyond what I am doing | ||
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On May 03 2019 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: My other problem is BC that you dont struck as a person who holds back if you think someone is mafia nad that's exactly what youre doing rn and i cant figure out if it is if you are mafia or for some other reason. I dont like your reasoning for it. exactly. IF I THINK they are mafia. I posted my top mafia reads and my reasons for them. I think there is a high chance of 1 mafia between 3 players. I am not going to prioritize that read until it fleshes itself out among the 3 of you. | ||
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Everything I just read screams of a town bugs vs a town HF. You two need to stop funneling eachother and take a step back and breathe ffs. TBH if you look based purely on activity since the flip the people based on absence that look the worst. Pandain Rels Me As we have all been mia. As much as me being at work then sleeping makes sense to me, enough people in mafia lie about why they aren't around to avoid the fos so meh. IMO the shit pandain did when he came back into thread did not exonerate him. He was a top lynch pick of more than 1 person and all hes done is appear to basically claim town cred then bounce. Given that I was already suspicious of him and the whole attempting to claim town cred and vanishing looks slimy as fuck, hes red in my mind unless he can change my mind before he flips. The thing with rels. He was "inactive" in thread in the end of the world mafia when he and I were on a team together until he couldn't be anymore. Even then he tried to fly under the radar. However he was stupidly active in the mafia QT. as much as part of me wants to say hes red. Currently he just looks like he has 0 time and no motivation to play. As hes basically almost at the modkill point id leave him for that / wait and see if he appears just long enough to skirt the posting / voting requirements. Also just quoting this for my own future thoughts based on how flips play out as the post stood out as a glaring wtf all of todays posting I was reading. On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok two hours to go. I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more. Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment. I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk. After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk. | ||
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[b] Town /b] VE BC FF null - lean town WBG HF MZ Koshi Null Alakaslam Mafia Pandain Grack Rels | ||
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On May 04 2019 06:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok BC I can agree with a fair bit of that, but I want to know why you've got Grack listed as a red. He rubs me completely the wrong way. All of his posts scream feigned activity to me but whatever meta TL mafia has turned into I still don't understand or well like. I give him credit for wanting to off vivax early but his posts outside that make me want to burn him with fire. | ||
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On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote: No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. | ||
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Hes generating discussion, hes pushing people where they should be pushed (ie like trying to get HF to explain his fake claim) Answers questions, asking questions about reads etc.. Can it be faked as red? Sure but its why I have him leaning town. Hes only made one post that I don't like as right now. | ||
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Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote: no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I think VE also has influence because he seems to be universally town-read. I just don't think anyone in this game is unquestionably leading town. Now this leads the rub. Based purely on player activity (you can check filters) How the fuck between all the walls of text / posting has no one snagged real thread control / direction of the town. Why is the only real cases being made for the day. You and Pandain. Something to me feels wrong about it all. | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote: HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain. Why is he getting credit for Pandain and Jock? | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote: The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: 1kp fixed is in the OP BC I'm not accepting dumbtells at this time. to be perfectly honest until the host came in and said fixed 1 kp I didn't even know that so *shrug* | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote: He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game. and if so? is that his standard town play? because my recollection of my recent encounter with him is that it isnt. | ||
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I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes. So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread. | ||
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On May 04 2019 12:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity) Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective. BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating. Id say add to this the fact that right after Vivax was modkilled he said the game was super easy but isn't the one leading the charge to said victory. | ||
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On May 04 2019 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF Why do you think I haven't pulled that trigger yet. Im still unsure on if im second guessing just how easy this all this and making it more complicated than it has to =\ | ||
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On May 04 2019 09:12 Holyflare wrote: What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game? On May 04 2019 09:37 Holyflare wrote: I didn't like your response and chose to ignore it in favour of my perceived chain of events which makes you look pretty scummy if I do say so myself. Highlighting these three primarily because he fake claims (whatever he does it a lot) however does it and didnt read the OP to realize the chance of a miller existed. The key part to this is the not reading the OP. Follow that into the 2nd quote. That is the statement pandain made that warranted HF to vote for him. Which given all the other content going around the thread was a pretty weak statement to jump on. Moreso because it was lack of reading the OP related that HF himself is guilty of. Now the third quote. Literally stating that he is ignoring what someone said in favour of his own views. If he truly believed Pandain is mafia, he would be able to use pandains words as a reasons for this and actions, not just ignore them and make up ones own version of the events. Pretty sure he also dodged MZ's questions when MZ wanted to know about the shit related to the fakeclaim. | ||
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##vote holyflare | ||
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Nice to see you again. Care to weigh in aside from the "ima vote" post? What do you think of everything that has happened. etc... | ||
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Sorry HF, you claiming Vet also was super bad. Even if you flip one you have set a precedent of fake claiming that I can't accept any claim you make with your neck in the noose =\ | ||
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Also you have no idea how much I hope both you and bugs are town. Taking a huge leap im not being fucked with. | ||
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On May 05 2019 01:00 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sorry guys. Some real life stuff came up yesterday. I'm here now and I'll read through but my gut reaction is that we should be lynching into a lurker right now rather than the most active players. | ||
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You claiming Vet tbh is more or less a non issue as any claim you make in thread I just dont believe. I can't given your track record. | ||
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On May 05 2019 03:17 Grackaroni wrote: Oh ok. From the last page I thought you were the leader. TBH I more or less started the push on you. | ||
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On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. +1 feel like all the effort being posted atm is only cause his head is on the line. | ||
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On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote: Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler, I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me. Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason. Sincerely, Pandain On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote: Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") So HF, He said he thought Jock was a good lynch, but thought Rels was a better lynch, then chose Vivax for basically the same reason. Fuck, like, He stated his reasons for voting and you are damning him for it. Based on that logic, the fact you fake claimed to kill bugs but are now pushing pandain means we should lynch you because you thought bugs was worth the fake claim. | ||
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On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote: Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. TBH mine originated as meta based. You feel completely different this game compared to end of the world mafia. The way you post, mannerisms, etc... Factor in the extra and it just makes more sense. | ||
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On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? | ||
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On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote: THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. | ||
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I believe in you Bugs and VE | ||
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On May 11 2019 05:26 wherebugsgo wrote: It’s in the QT I think BTW it was nice to play town with you for once haha I think I’ve played scum with you and as scum against you but never town & town Its been a long time thats for sure. Wish I hadn't overthought things and fucked my initial line of thought though =\ | ||
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