[N] Uninspired Mafia

On May 02 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw off-topic is it realise or realize?

On May 02 2019 07:32 Holyflare wrote:


I'm the towniest person in this thread but also a medic dodge.

Also it's realise unless you're some American heathen. They like to throw rogue Zs into things.

On May 03 2019 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know if I want to read into the choice to replace igrok and not vivax or not.

On May 03 2019 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh me too bugs! Me too now that I know it was the godfather! I bet no one in here would say they wouldn't have voted Vivax at the end of the day had they been here.

On May 03 2019 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


you here? have you caught up on the game?

On May 03 2019 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's actually why I ended up playing video mafia as long as I did, that style meshes better with my style of playing the game - my posts are short and conversational. If I walk up to you on a street I'm not going to hand you a letter, I'm going to say "what's up". This game is meant to emulate that dynamic, medium notwithstanding.

Anyway, rant over. I will never stop shit-posting, so long as I'm protected by the sub-forum by-laws that allow me to do so in the name of playing the game.

On May 03 2019 09:54 Grackaroni wrote:

You're in pretty good company.

Especially now that Slam is in the game.

Hijole!

On May 03 2019 10:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


BC let's talk. The situation you talked about with myself & rayn & HF has already resolved itself. I am town though, so there is nothing here to read into, really. I want to hear your opinions about players other than myself and HF, given that our alignments are resolved.

Which reads of mine did you disagree with? Here's the list prior to the daypost, to jog your memory:

Scum

MZ
BC
HF
Vivax

Possible

FF

Neutral

Rels
iGrok/Alakaslam (absent)
Koshi

Lean town

Pandain

Town

VE
rayn
grack

On May 03 2019 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


I mean you literally said less likely than Pandain but not turbo town and there's a huge gray area there, just trying to confirm what you are saying because you're not making it easy to understand your actual stance.



have you caught up? How do you read Pandain, FF, and Rels?

On May 03 2019 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote:


HF has a red check on me so let's assume he's not mafia. I'm going to tell you now I will flip town-if I flip VT then you can kill HF ezpz, miller he's town.

Got 2 other people who look like scum to you?

On May 03 2019 11:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
does anyone besides me think Pandain is town?

On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:


This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me)

On May 05 2019 05:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Lynch into Pandain/lurkers imo.

On May 05 2019 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
The last mafia is going to haunt us

We kill MZ, he has to be scum at this point.

I’m still convinced VE & BC are town. Then towniest to scummiest:

grack
FF
Pandain
Slam
Koshi
MZ

You all could be scum. Actually for all intents and purposes you all were scum this game regardless of actual alignment

On May 05 2019 10:16 wherebugsgo wrote:


He actually decently defended himself IMO. You haven’t done anything except complain once I listed you as absent

On May 05 2019 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Actually I’m fine with any lynch after MZ, even Pandain. the game is gonna be boring af though since I don’t feel like playing really. Trying to distinguish between lurkers is not fun at all and there is no way to make people play.

On May 05 2019 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
MZ is the only person I'm certain is scum at this point.

what in the hell is this game

just FYI that in about 36 hours I'm getting on a flight to America, I'll probably have internet but after Monday my timings are going to be very different. I'll probably only have 1-2 hours at most per day

On May 05 2019 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


My flight in is direct to SFO, my flight out on Thursday night is through LAX

On May 05 2019 18:42 Pandain wrote:


You need to explain why you still want to lynch me

On May 06 2019 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Slam - I can't really say anything. Maybe he's enjoying himself?

On May 06 2019 04:34 Pandain wrote:


Slam is complete null. Hopefully next time he's here, I'm also active and I can get some posts out of him more than one liners and memes.

On May 06 2019 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

Nope hes good too.

MZ or Slam for me. Sorry Slam.

On May 06 2019 05:42 Fecalfeast wrote:


Probably means slam isn't scum as well?

Not a solid read thought because slam is pretty hard t olynch and this pressure was as weak as they get since his next 2 posts are just quotes of slam with no commentary

On May 06 2019 05:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

Ya I put him on a level with Kita, the curator of the Library. Both have been around a bit longer than I have I think.

On May 06 2019 06:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Lol that legitimately hurt me

I really can't promise great activity and we've got a ton of mislynches to burn so I'm fine taking the L today. Let's talk about tomorrow. I'm not sold on slam as scum but I'll try and read him today. If we're going on the assumption scum was super inactive this game then FF is also a possibility.

On May 06 2019 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

Ya give everyone a read - if you're good with taking the flip today then everything you post will be useful afterward. I'm not sure how closely you're following, but in the spirit of saving time, me and Bugs are basically clear and we have the largest, most daunting filters. If you left us out of your thoughts, I wouldn't be offended.

On May 06 2019 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmmm

BC died. Let's all go filter him and see why!!! Like yeah, we can't know for sure, but mafia killed BC and not me. I'm curious.

On May 06 2019 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

UUUGGGHHHH MZ DON'T MINDMELD WITH ME WHEN I WANT TO LYNCH YOU BRO

On May 06 2019 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote:

This actually makes MZ look good.......

OMG it's just Grack isn't it?

On May 06 2019 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote

that wasn’t so hard, was it?

Anyway see you all in 24 hours or so.

On May 06 2019 16:45 Pandain wrote:
Slam you here?

It's hard to get a read on Slam when he's only active for 25 minutes during the day, and when I asked him a question before on why he wants to vote me he only says its because I'm "iffy"

On May 06 2019 21:25 Pandain wrote:
I have to say though it would be really entertaining watching an endgame scenario of Slam, MZ, and FF debating each other on who is the mafia.

would there even be posts?

On May 06 2019 21:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Mafia don't know the info in my head. They know my alignment but they don't know how I think. My thoughts are my own.

When someone comes in and says the exact same thing I'm thinking at the same time I'm thinking it, I take note. It's usually important in one way or another.

On May 06 2019 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Fecalfeast, Alakaslam, Grackaroni and MZ -

Myself Bugs and Pandain have done what we can to keep this game relatively active. You four are now the problem. Before the problem was too big for us to contend with. Now the problem is down to approximately half the game and there's only one mafia left, which means that of the four of you, three of you should be doing more to establish your innocence.

I understand that at least half of you (Alakaslam and MZ) have stated already that activity is going to be an issue this cycle. All I ask is that while you're here you spend as much time as possible productively - that means not coming in here and trolling or arguing. Spend your time trying to find the last mafia - give your honest, best attempt at finding the last one and tell us who you think we should lynch and why.

On May 06 2019 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm temporarily clearing Pandain on Activity/Effort. If he wins as mafia, I won't accept any complaining about me "clearing the mafia" - he's actually here trying to push lynches/opinions. If he's mafia doing this while you four are town doing what you're doing, he deserves to win and you know it.

On May 07 2019 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm not saying we cede to him, I'm saying that today I'm not considering lynching him. I'm lynching inside you 4 today, invariably. Nothing will sway me from that course. Pandain has done enough the last two days to live through today, that's my point.

On May 07 2019 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

Werd.

Where the OMGUSers hanging out these days? I tried to hit it up and got a 404 like WAAAAAT?

On May 06 2019 06:32 Pandain wrote:
Was just about to post this. Definitely a plus for MZ and a negative for Grack.

However, I want to point out that it's entirely possible they just shot him because he's a good player who was town. I actually think there's almost no chance mafia shot you because medic would protect you, so the question is who else would they shoot? Realistically only bugs and BC.

They were clearly still aiming to put suspicion on wherebugsgo (as we see from Koshi's post)




They weren't ever going to shoot me since there was still some suspicion on me, and everyone else as well.

So the best shot, even ignoring anything BC said and even if he was wrong on everything was still probably BC.

On May 07 2019 02:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’M BAAAACK

Waiting on my bag now, so not much time.

I think the MZ null read on Koshi isn’t a huge deal. I myself was null on Koshi because I wanted to give time to see how his claim played out and whatnot, and only started scumreading after the HF flip. Even then it was just like, this guy is the scummiest of the people who are literally all afk, Meagan I don’t count really as afk cause he’s managed to post some stuff. Lots of stuff I don’t like but he posts nonetheless

On May 07 2019 03:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah that’s fair. I should reread again since I didn’t get a chance to reread after the Koshi flip.

btw for now I would prefer a 48 hour day because without it I won’t really be able to give much thought to my votes. I’m gonna get 1-2 hours max (thankfully on PST time, probably evenings if I’m not dead tired over the next 3-4 days)

Last night I didn’t feel like FF nor Slam were scummy and today I’m fine with reading Pandain town. Lots of things Pandain has said over the game point to town Pandain with missing info, working to figure things out etc. Let me think about this more and reread, I’ll try to post thoughts when I have some spare time, probably later tn since I’m gonna try and make it to my hotel before 10 pm

On BC being killed I think there’s nothing really to read into there from a reads perspective because there was realistically no other shot that makes sense.

On May 07 2019 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


I slowly came to that conclusion too. I started toying with "Well a VET just flipped, so chances are mafia didn't factor in a medic at all..." but I think you're right, I think it was just the only shot that they could take safely.

On May 07 2019 04:16 Pandain wrote:


I don't think speculating on why someone got shot is ever the wrong thing to do after the night ends. In fact it's the most reasonable and pertinent thing to do.

Can you please give your thoughts on grack and FF? And are you just sheeping VE on MZ or do you actually have your own reasons?

On May 07 2019 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

To add to this, I did the same thing, so did most everyone. Why single out Pandain as the villain?

On May 07 2019 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well. Anyone NOT see Endgame yet?

On May 07 2019 08:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I don't think scum makes this post.

Grack's all over the place with his lynch choices and his bugs push seems out of place but I think I'm gonna confirm my townlean.

On May 07 2019 08:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Haha holy shit did the inner guilt get to you?

Playing scum town sucks, sorry your team kinda gave this one up.

On May 07 2019 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Host wifom says slam is probably town but I'll give him a quick read anyway

On May 07 2019 08:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Honestly I can't read slam to save my life but I'm much more confident on FF anyway.

Also this eas funny as shit:

On May 07 2019 09:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I mean if you're somehow not scum at this point you're right, I'm absolutely going to die next lynch. Most people seem willing to give me one reprieve and if I'm wrong I die, no questions asked. If its not you I will be happy to die bc I have no fucking clue who it would be unless Pandain is having another godmode scum game.

On May 07 2019 09:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Ok I just read both of their filters and I came to the exact opposite conclusion

On May 07 2019 09:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On a 4 or 5 man scum team sure, bus the shit out of an afk one, but I don't see grack as the kinda person to bus his roleblocker when the scum team is already down a Godfather.

On May 07 2019 09:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

You gotta give me more to work with than that man. Why? Why is FF town to you?

On May 07 2019 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

You have to remember: mafia know peoples' alignment. Don't clear him on his ability to correctly identify a town - the mafia can do that in their sleep. You can only catch them in them trying to find mafia - because they have to make you think that a townie is mafia somehow. They can say true statements all day long about all the townies. In fact, they're GOING to to try and gain allies.

Slam, think my sson.

On May 07 2019 11:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
as soon as slam started talking about pandain a post jumped into my mind from pandain. I will find it


When he made the post it seemed like he was more worried about pointing out that it doesn't clear me than anything else.

Which I disliked obviously.

I don't know. I'm rereading pandains day 1 and he has some weird posts with our current information. I have a bunch of tabs open but here are some highlights




Look how self-conscious and aware of how he's being perceived pandain is in this triple-post. Reads like it's coming from a mafia mindset.

---

Here's a pretty odd contradiction coupled with some equally odd association with koshi





So shortly before grouping these 5 players as some weird cell containing 2 scum, he called two of its members town. Not townleans either.
Two of the other members have flipped town
This, coupled with the fact that we have already established that vivax's first post in the scum QT was likely instructions to bus him, means that pandain through leading a vivax lynch was setting up to lynch into a group of 4 towns. Pretty odd indeed.

I will now mention that he happened to call flipped-scum koshi town twice in these posts but will not speak further on such a simple point.

I have some kinda shitty stuff too if you're interested

On May 07 2019 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry Pandain, but FF totally fucking slammed MZ earlier and that last post just....I gotta give the man props. I'm sure it's all booty to you, but it looks town as fuck to me.

On May 07 2019 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:
VE if you werent Vigi I would scum read you at this point.

On May 07 2019 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm serious too, Pandain is on the table, decide who you think is the better lynch between he and MZ if you aren't feeling an MZ lynch. But for my part, I'm not lynching FF and I'm not lynching Bugs. I'm on the fence about Slam, he disappeared at a really inopportune time for me after shitting on my lynch of choice.

On May 07 2019 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
That paranoid shit at this point in the game with so much actual content....I just don't see it.

MZ/Slam - What do you make of the fact that Pandain was among the few voices trying to draw attention to Koshi at an important time, after the GF had flipped?

On May 07 2019 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like yes, Pandain said Koshi was super strong town that one time, but then look at all of this, AFTER the GF flipped...
+ Show Spoiler [There's quite a bit] +
I'm just sayin. There's bussing a teammate, and then there's bussing an entire team. In an atmosphere where there's A) innocent child townies, and B) blocs of townies voting together. And Pandain is ACTIVE and WATCHING it all, so it's not like he's ignorant of what's happening in the thread.

Can we please address this before any more votes on Pandain?

On May 07 2019 11:45 Grackaroni wrote:

Yeah I know I said this earlier.

I don't think Pandain would throw Koshi under the bus because Koshi actually had the potential to come back and carry scum team to victory.

On May 07 2019 11:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like you are ALL alive on that list EXCEPT for Koshi (because of me). And Pandain CHOSE KOSHI to push, instead of you all. You're telling me that you think that Pandain CHOSE to push Koshi, the roleblocker, as a ploy to get to this moment in time? WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS SHOOTING KOSHI TONIGHT SO HE COULD CAPITALIZE ON ALL OF IT?!?!?!?!?!

On May 07 2019 11:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE is mafia vig kills his own roleblocker and tries super hard all game to sit on a throne of garbage as he claims MVP in a game with 2 modkills one being scum, a replacement, and a lynched town veteran. Not to mention slam and fecalfeast

Solved game

On May 07 2019 11:56 VisceraEyes wrote:



I said I'd allow it, not that I'd endorse it. I'd like anyone voting Pandain to answer these points.

On May 07 2019 11:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

Surely.

On May 07 2019 12:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok realistically I think there are only a few people that would ever night kill BC. Me/WBG/MZ

Me because he was scum reading me earlier and WBG/MZ because they are old-timey players with a lot of respect for BC's play.

I don't see Slam or FF making that NK choice.

On May 07 2019 12:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think BC's play in this game was worth being night killed without any prior expectation from him.

On May 07 2019 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
With Slam I got....maybe the mod didn't want to fuck Koshi by modkilling TWO mafia D2? Suspiciously inactive? *shrug*

On May 07 2019 13:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's a school of thought that says RNG is the like, ONLY way to reliably play the game, town or mafia. Towns have a higher chance of hitting mafia D1 based on RNG than they can reliably expect to hit a mafia via reads/consensus. The problem is that you'd need consensus to do RNG too so you never REALLY know unless you measure it.
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 07 2019 13:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

About 3 pages back he had a short spurt of posting throwing shade on Pandain. He even got Slam on board.

On May 07 2019 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote:

And the truth shall set you free.

On May 07 2019 14:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

Bro stop this, who the fuck holds a game hostage because of a more than likely wrong read?

Like, you didn't even read my post, you just saw that it was disagreeing with yours and started typing.

Whatever, you can die first idgaf. Especially if you're threatening the game over it.

On May 07 2019 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like shit, you don't get to be this indignant after FUCKING OFF the ENTIRE GAME Slam.

On May 07 2019 14:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

Bro stop this, who the fuck holds a game hostage because of a more than likely wrong read?

Like, you didn't even read my post, you just saw that it was disagreeing with yours and started typing.

Whatever, you can die first idgaf. Especially if you're threatening the game over it.

On May 07 2019 15:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
SLAM GOD DAMNIT I SAID WE'RE NOT WORRYING.

NOW QUIT WORRYING!

On May 07 2019 16:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like everyone keeps talking about Pandain "bussing his way to victory"....but check it - after he tried to bus Vivax everyone got on his ass about trying to take the credit. So what does he do? He.....busses Koshi? And that's....supposed to work better? And of course it doesn't, Slam and FF instantly go off to the bus train. LOL

Like....yes, I concede that it's possible. I've even argued in THIS THREAD that bussing can be a viable strategy. But like, at some point, it just becomes ridiculous.

On May 08 2019 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Uninspired Day 3 Final Vote Count
Fecalfeast (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Grackaroni
Meapak_Ziphh (2): Fecalfeast, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, wherebugsgo, Fecalfeast ,Alakaslam
Grackaroni (0): wherebugsgo, Pandain, VisceraEyes
wherebugsgo (0): Grackaroni
Pandain (0):Alakaslam Fecalfeast

Not voted (0):
Fecalfeast is lynched.

On May 08 2019 04:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
*sigh* I guess there's no shenanigans today, huh?

GG boys. I honestly still think the meta read is absolute trash and for everyone to switch because of it makes me pretty butthurt.

Do you know how cool it would have been to carry a scumgame to a victory with a team of vivax/koshi vs HF, rayn, and a monster-mode VE? I honestly thought I had it in the bag after everyone started calling me town.

Besides that, NICE SHOT VE. Koshi and I were planning on having me bus him that day because he had some stuff going on and we decided we probably didn't need the RB that bad idk was probably a dumb plan but doesn't matter now.

grats on your bad meta read pandain.


Like seriously, this is a scummy post too like why are you thinking of what the game will be like after I flip town?

I probably should have pushed the 'koshi wanted to be bused' angle more I bet I could have got you lynched today instead.

Oh well, bygones and such.

On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Order of people who need to be lynched currently.

Jock
Rels
FF

Rels and FF are interchangeable atm.

If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements.


In terms of everyone else.
BC - Town
Pandain - lean town
WBG -lean town
HF - lean town
VE - Lean town

Koshi - Neutral
Rayn - Neutral

Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town.

On May 02 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:

















This guy is suspect numero uno. Anybody that uses the phrase "that's scummy regardless of Jock's alignment" is a guy that has tmi and makes it want to look like he's weighing up his options.

Let us also not forget that he agreed with all the points on Jock, fought against rayn that jock looked scummy, said rayn was scummy for not trying to save his town read and then dropped it all to try and shenanigan with rayn.

Let us also not forget that Pandain wanted to lynch rels (based on incorrect meta that was highlighted several times already) despite a wagon building on Jock, his also scum read, to make rels active again. Then when that didn't take off, Pandain, master of misdirection, avoided joining the jock wagon (his scum read) again for terrible shenanigans.

Then when Jock, his scum read, flipped town (after pandain said he's probably town for no discernable reason why arguing that he was still mafia) Pandain decides to call the entire wagon on Jock, his scum read, and also maybe town read, mafia.

No thanks. You mafia mate. Lynch Pandain when I'm gone.

On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
You can simply sit in your baboon pile if you can read his progression from his filter and think it makes any sense whatsoever like you are implying.

He literally came from afking with his shitty formatted post saying he doesn't understand the jock change in mindset and that jock was contradictory.

You say you have to be an idiot to do that as mafia.

Pandain says mafia do that all the time but more importantly it's a mindset contradiction.

Pandain then makes all his previous posts irrelevant saying "lol I'm not even voting him". Why even bring jock up in his return and argue with you about mafia mindsets if he doesn't agree he's mafia?

Pandain questions your motive for not saving jock. Your motive is purely emotional bs that doesn't mean anything to do with your alignment and should never have swayed Pandain one way or another.

Then Pandain tries to make you vote rels out of the blue for absolutely no reason other than he's afk.

You say no, maybe only vivax.

Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?

Where has his jock read even gone? Nothing he has said at any point since initially scum reading jock has given a reason to why he has NEVER placed a vote on his other scum read, Jock. Nothing. Not even a smidge.

On May 02 2019 07:32 Holyflare wrote:


I'm the towniest person in this thread but also a medic dodge.

Also it's realise unless you're some American heathen. They like to throw rogue Zs into things.

On May 02 2019 08:11 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain is mafia. Night

On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain

Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.

Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity.

On May 02 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
And all those shitty afkers and ff I guess but pointless trying to include those shitters yet.

Interestingly ff left pandain out of his read list.

On May 03 2019 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know if I want to read into the choice to replace igrok and not vivax or not.

On May 03 2019 07:02 Holyflare wrote:


Okay, I'll just make this quick and painless for you.

wherebugsgo

On May 03 2019 07:46 Holyflare wrote:


If it wasn't clear I've red checked you. Good day.

On May 03 2019 07:55 Holyflare wrote:
I agree that Pandain post looked pretty fake trying to get cred

On May 04 2019 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
That's not true. I made a case on Jock and got him lynched. I made a case on Pandain and he'll realistically get lynched. He's done nothing today.

On May 04 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
Everyone realises it but everyone has been burnt by bussing before. It's a futile exercise, especially when I can almost guarantee the first post in the mafia qt is vivax telling his team to bus him.

You asking for all the cred is bad.

Your post after the day post basically screaming for cred didn't help, looked pretty fake.

Your lack of night activity because it was oh so obvious you wouldn't die and you'd do it tomorrow into nothing looks bad.

Your d1 avoiding jock looked bad.

Your 0 real scum reads is bad.

More content will eclipse those points potentially eventually but you have to start somewhere. VE is being an absolute gentleman trying to help.

On May 04 2019 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
Also doc, you can apparently heal the same target twice in a row. Congrats, you're OP medic

On May 04 2019 18:24 Holyflare wrote:


Was ve and ff. Interesting.

On May 04 2019 21:51 Holyflare wrote:


Do you want me to pick and choose between mz on almost no posts/koshi on almost no posts and alakaslam the unreadable mess?

On May 04 2019 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are fucking morons. I'm the veteran, put two and two things together. I thought pandain was mafia and voted him because he alluded to there being 2kp and it being blocked and I was a very likely target to be shot.

I asked artanis to clarify the kp, not bugs, because it didn't say it in the OP and if you actually read the thread I'm the one asking about it.

I fake claimed cop because I was likely one of the only blues in the game and probably could.


Just because I don't give a shit doesn't make me mafia. There's 100s of my town games where I just don't give a shit about the game and conveniently this just happens to be a weekend I'm busy purchasing a house. Why should I talk about anyone else when mz is a lurker in my point of view.

He comes in to make one post or two every 24 hours.

Koshi similarly.

Alakaslam no idea whatsoever.

I think it's pretty opportune to push me over any of these people when anyone knows the only alignment I actually care about winning is as mafia. Town I just want to be correct and do my own thing.

You guys are fucking morons. I'm the veteran, put two and two things together. I thought pandain was mafia and voted him because he alluded to there being 2kp and it being blocked and I was a very likely target to be shot.

On May 05 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
You're wrong i don't know the votes but you're all fucking stupid if I die.

Nobody has countered the mz points. I'm one or the people that can spam the shit out of the thread with info and you're voting me off.

There is no case.

Lynch mz lynch bugs

On May 08 2019 10:21 Pandain wrote:
3 days of really interesting thread and slam decides to go spend his few time going through filter of dead lynched(not even shot) HF

On April 30 2019 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote:


Isn't that what you just did?

##vote Meapak_Ziphh

On April 30 2019 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyone who's been playing recently care to give me the rundown on what's good these days?

rayn? any thoughts?

On May 08 2019 13:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
it actually lowkey pisses me off that all some players have to do to help us win the game is ensure we read them as town and town only. Instead they throw around suspicions seemingly at random and never seem to be legitimately trying to help solve the puzzle

On May 08 2019 14:50 Alakaslam wrote:
Like what does one even do to prove innocence? I thought here the sole ruberic was trying to look for scum?

On May 08 2019 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
slam what are you even doing

On May 08 2019 15:28 Pandain wrote:
The problem is if slam gets into an endgame with bugs or me he's going to vote for us.

He's almost a liability.

On May 08 2019 15:43 Pandain wrote:


There are six people left in the game.

One is scum.
One is confirmed town, leaving 4 left.

Who do you think is scum and why besides you just parroting HF?

On May 08 2019 20:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


Not much, honestly. If you, for instance, have a doubt about someone you think is scum and you ask me about that person and explain why you are asking (it can be in the same post or a different one) that’s an easy way to show you’re trying to figure out the game.

I townread Pandain really hard because Pandain has written things that indicate P is trying to figure out the game from a standpoint of limited information. (This applies to BC and VE as well, prior to VE being confirmed) If that happens enough times in ways that make sense, the hurdle for that person being scum is so high you can just basically ignore the possibility until you get (enough) evidence that is very difficult to ignore.

Compare this to FF. There were times when I thought that FF was trying to figure out the game but not enough, and the messages were far more conflicting. FF was a much harder read and it was way easier to convince me that he’s scum.

On May 08 2019 20:56 Pandain wrote:
I just have an extremely strong feeling MZ is going to flip town. Like I said, it would have made no sense to push FF if he was in the endgame and FF was very very townread.

Like there was no reason to assume the lynch would change. So if he was scum he was just giving up? Doesn't seem like it.

On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Slam. Grack's play, while being less active than some, has been PRETTY consistently more active than others.

And conversely from Slam, he DOES mention Koshi pretty regularly, as early as D1 drawing attention to him.

Yeah. Between the two, I think it's pretty easily Slam.

On May 08 2019 21:02 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why the opposite conclusion?

On May 08 2019 21:11 Pandain wrote:
It's not just about activity. Anyone, even mafia, can be active. It's about meaningful activity, and clearly showing that you care about the game and seriously showing that you're trying to solve it.

It's also part of why Slam is suspicious. He has 8 pages of filter and I don't actually think one is a good post. I mean he's a spammer but is he normally this bad?

On May 08 2019 21:19 Pandain wrote:
I mean if you want to actually try to analyze slam you find terrible things:

Complains about time but uses it uselessly
1. Whole last day was going through HF filter (why would we even think HF is accurate, and I think town has been pretty good so far on Vivax and Koshi even though they didn't die from getting lynched). It was all useless and spammy and pointless an

Wanted to vote me and never ever justified it. Even said he wanted to martyr
Like half his posts are spam, 1/4 are HF posts, and 1/4 are about me. But he never justified it even after I asked him.

But is this because he's mafia or because he's just useless?

On May 08 2019 21:19 Pandain wrote:
I mean if you want to actually try to analyze slam you find terrible things:

Complains about time but uses it uselessly
1. Whole last day was going through HF filter (why would we even think HF is accurate, and I think town has been pretty good so far on Vivax and Koshi even though they didn't die from getting lynched). It was all useless and spammy and pointless an

Wanted to vote me and never ever justified it. Even said he wanted to martyr
Like half his posts are spam, 1/4 are HF posts, and 1/4 are about me. But he never justified it even after I asked him.

But is this because he's mafia or because he's just useless?

On May 08 2019 21:22 Pandain wrote:
But the man needs to die. Even as a late policy lynch and even if he's town. YOU DIDNT JUST CONGRATULATE THE DOCTOR YOU EVEN KNOW I AM TOWN AND WANT PEOPLE TO LYNCH ME ANYWAY!

If you are able to have 8 pages you are not "low on time", at least not enough to the point where you are this useless and incapable of doing a single actual analysis. Both as town and mafia, it's inexcusable to have the amount of useless spam, sheeping, and generally uncomprehensible material.

On May 08 2019 21:27 VisceraEyes wrote:

I disagree with your premise. Koshi flipped as the mafia team's most important role. Especially given their only other role was modkilled. Slam replacing in and then proceeding to ignore Koshi entirely, while everyone else who's alive today had at the very least mentioned Koshi or drawn attention to him at the time, is entirely damning in my eyes.

On May 08 2019 21:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
@slam you fucker pay arrention you asshat

Would you kill grack or MZ?

In a (me/Pandain), you, grack world who would you kill?

What about (me/Pandain) you, MZ?

On May 08 2019 23:11 Pandain wrote:


Is there any mafia that begs this hard to be lynched?

On May 09 2019 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

You didn't mention anyone. It's not exonerating to you and doesn't change my point at all. You ignored a bunch of posts by a bunch of people trying to draw attention to Koshi. It doesn't matter that you didn't mention X people because the important part is that you didn't mention Koshi. How does the fact that you didn't mention HF or WBG or Grack change anything about what I said about Koshi? Koshi was the roleblocker. Not WBG, not grack, not HF. My point is that what little time you actually did spend in the thread was spent appealing to me directly and throwing shade on Pandain. In spite of having read a bunch and being caught up.

Now, I'm sorry that ad hominem attacks are more appealing to you than actual logic, but they're certainly not swaying me in the direction you probably desire. Address the substance of my argument rather than attacking me personally. Or get written off entirely.

On May 03 2019 09:54 Grackaroni wrote:

You're in pretty good company.

Especially now that Slam is in the game.

Hijole!

On May 05 2019 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Pandain.

After rereading his filter I don't like that he makes such a hard turn into being super sure Vivax is the best lynch at the end of the day and tries to milk the credit for voting him for all that it's worth. Rayn put him in a spot where he pretty much had to vote Vivax but there wasn't much chance of Vivax actually dying at the end of the day when the only people posting were me/Pandain/Rayn.

On May 05 2019 04:37 Grackaroni wrote:

What's the correct answer?

On May 05 2019 04:56 Grackaroni wrote:
lol HF if you flip mafia I am going to look sooooo shitty.

On May 05 2019 06:59 Grackaroni wrote:
GRACKARONIS DON'T DIE.

On May 05 2019 06:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I just hope they don't kill me, Grackaroni.

On May 06 2019 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:

What was your thought process at this point when you said this?

You were still scum reading Pandain and HF was the one who actually wrote a case on Pandain at the start of night 1.

On May 06 2019 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Slam - I can't really say anything. Maybe he's enjoying himself?

On May 08 2019 02:43 Grackaroni wrote:

This is the dream finale.

(Hijole)

On May 08 2019 22:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Y'all

Pandain is trying to drag me into the final 3 with him.

I am the most universally scumread player and who has spearheaded the pushes onto other players both days?

I need to die and I need to die today, because if you keep me alive and you guys lynch slam or grack today then I've been settup as the perfect 2v1 mislynch.

On May 09 2019 09:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Notice how Pandain is now ready to vote me again when I refused to be buddied by him during the night phase.

He realized if he brings me to lylo I would go all in to get him lynched.

On May 09 2019 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote:


I think it’ll be really hard to meet up cause I’m arriving at LAX at 10 pm and leaving at 1 am, basically not enough time for me to exit and go back through security

Thanks for the offer though, maybe next time if I’m back in CA on a personal trip!

On May 09 2019 10:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
also yeah no I’m not dealing with hypotheticals. We lynch MZ today and in the 0.1% chance he flips town we can discuss who we’ll off then

I’m not scum and I’m not going to bother spending time explaining myself when I’ve done more than enough of that all game. If you are town and have a garbage read on me at this point it’s not my responsibility to fix that.

On May 09 2019 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:


It’s ok homeslice I townread you and Pandain

It’s MZ all the way

Look how he doesn’t ever respond to anything

On May 09 2019 23:14 Pandain wrote:
The problem is now if you're town you actually have to die because otherwise if it's me and you together F3 and you're town you're going to vote me and mafia wins.

When the game finishes and we wasted a lynch on you you are 100% responsible.

On May 10 2019 00:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Meapak you never answered anyone, why is Pandain scum? You made the most token effort in filtering FF and calling him scum, and posting a couple quotes “posted without context” and that already seemed bad to me. Now you want to shorten the day instead of convincing us that Pandain is scum. Did you see my earlier post about ignoring townies who do that kind of thing? Why do you want to be ignored if you are town?

On May 10 2019 00:38 Pandain wrote:


90% certain.

He's more townie than me.

On May 10 2019 01:53 Pandain wrote:

You (at least used to) think I'm mafia
mZ thinks im mafia

I'm a definite possible last day lynch. Bugs not so much

On May 10 2019 11:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And slam let's get you in here too. No way you get shot tonight but you're gonna vote grack right? Or were you also feeling Pandain.

What happens if Pandain dies instead of bugs? I'm trying to entertain all possibilities here, Pandain's activity gave me a pause as to my certainty of him being the final scum so now I just want everyone talking.

Rather than shorten this day lets get everyone on record with what they'd do in each of the final 3 scenarios.

The stage is set so the only thing scum knows that town doesn't is who the NK will be.

On May 10 2019 14:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
Slam between grack and MZ why do you find MZ townier

In fact why do you find MZ second towniest wtf

On May 10 2019 19:11 Alakaslam wrote:

Mindmeld earlier

On May 10 2019 14:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’ve got about 2.5 hours btw. Flight @ 1

On May 11 2019 04:36 Pandain wrote:
I'm in the interesting position of having do vote with my #1 scum read because I can't get him lynched, and there is a chance to get my #2 scum read lynched.

On May 11 2019 04:36 Pandain wrote:
Fuck yeah slam.

Let's lynch Grack.

On May 11 2019 04:37 Grackaroni wrote:
I can garuntee Pandain is town so you might as well do me today.

On May 11 2019 04:40 Pandain wrote:
This is the game where 3 different people have told me to lynch them.

What the fuck do i do

On May 11 2019 04:46 Grackaroni wrote:
I say you swap to Slam and then I kill WBG with one vpte

On May 11 2019 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
ROFL nice switch

Sorry for my ass play and sorry MZ I called you scum all game

On May 11 2019 05:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE this game



Hero performance

On May 11 2019 05:19 Pandain wrote:
Hahahahaha obsQT was calling Grack the best town player in the game. "Would be an absolute travesty if he got lynched" :D

By the way, bugs was town to me not because of "activity" but because of his genuine obvious enthusiasm. That kind of stuff can be hard to fake. It was pretty obvious to me when he was pushing HF that he genuinely thought HF was scum. Combine that with stuff like his spreadsheet, and his consistent neverending interactions trying to figure out what people thought it was a strong townread for me.

Glad we pulled this off. Really happy with my play this game, getting Koshi, Vivax, and Grack. I was only really wrong on FF.

By the way, it is weird when someone is too right. For instance, when Grack said I was easily the best player in the game still alive, it felt that way to me but definitely shouldn't have felt obvious to other people. Then when he defended HF with an absolute certainty that has got to raise alarm bells. There is a huge difference between strongly thinking someone is town and thinking there's absolutely no way he's scum.

On May 11 2019 05:21 Pandain wrote:
Great shot by VE.

I also think Grack would have won if he didn't get lynched that night.