EPTPandain voted FF here:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/546592-uninspired-mafia-vote-thread?page=4#67
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Pandain voted FF here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/546592-uninspired-mafia-vote-thread?page=4#67 | ||
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On May 08 2019 02:51 Grackaroni wrote: I still want to note that latest WBG post though. How come his meta reads are always defending people once they come under pressure rather than reasoning to suspect somebody: Look at how many times Pandain says the phrase "I think". Look at this long post FF posted. You’ll know when I defend someone, and that was not it. | ||
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We should just RNG the lynch at this point | ||
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On May 08 2019 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs are you fucking me? nope I actually am rather annoyed I just didn’t complete the martyr on d2 because I’d rather have had HF deal with the hard work this game of 1. Finding scum among unreadables and 2. Fending off the constant nitpicking that happens whenever you are vocal and have a lot of posts to afford nitpicking The only person left alive I basically have never townread till now is Meapak. I don’t think I recall seeing a post that MZ made that I liked and honestly if he dies and flips town I think I will be truly broken | ||
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On May 08 2019 14:50 Alakaslam wrote: Like what does one even do to prove innocence? I thought here the sole tubería was trying to look for scum? Not much, honestly. If you, for instance, have a doubt about someone you think is scum and you ask me about that person and explain why you are asking (it can be in the same post or a different one) that’s an easy way to show you’re trying to figure out the game. I townread Pandain really hard because Pandain has written things that indicate P is trying to figure out the game from a standpoint of limited information. (This applies to BC and VE as well, prior to VE being confirmed) If that happens enough times in ways that make sense, the hurdle for that person being scum is so high you can just basically ignore the possibility until you get (enough) evidence that is very difficult to ignore. Compare this to FF. There were times when I thought that FF was trying to figure out the game but not enough, and the messages were far more conflicting. FF was a much harder read and it was way easier to convince me that he’s scum. | ||
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It’s between MZ, grack, and slam for me. It’s 4v1: If we kill MZ and that’s wrong, it becomes: Slam grack (me or Pandain) I don’t think Pandain is scum and lynching active players hasn’t really worked out this game. Also I’m not sure I want to consider the possibility (and this is selfish but idc) because it’s not likely we’d be alive together in endgame anyway. I don’t think slam is scum either tbh. However I’m open to convincing here. If you were in that situation, would you pick slam or grack? | ||
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On May 08 2019 04:27 Grackaroni wrote: I would be super ok with FF > MZ > Bugs This post bothered me the most Idk though, is grack faking not having full info here? Like there are surrounding posts that look okay to me. | ||
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Like I don’t really get the progression and it makes you look really scummy. I can’t get over how it seems you’re always on the right side of the lynch eventually in terms of opinions, but as far as I can tell you have little to no influence in the lynch beforehand. You don’t really participate in the discussions I’d expect you to participate in, and you kind of just shit on people’s posts from the periphery. Why did you accuse Pandain of trying to bus Vivax d1 when you also sheeped that same vote? idk. Just talk it out here, I’m rather confused because I don’t find clear takeaways about your reads. | ||
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Can you both tell me what you see that indicates MZ is town? I don’t get that. If you have time, try to meta read MZ, just like two games is fine. If activity is a factor use a recent game, he’s played recently, right? | ||
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Would you kill grack or MZ? In a (me/Pandain), you, grack world who would you kill? What about (me/Pandain) you, MZ? | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:28 Pandain wrote: And I really really don't like how certain Grack was on HF. I mean we know that bugs, BC, VE, and FF were all town and they thought there were serious concerns. Grack pops in during the HF lynch to say: But he later admits he hadn't even read the case on him: I agree on this, particularly as prior to that I didn’t have the impression that grack was closely following the game. If he were more present, I’d buy that he’d been reading and had come to some conclusion, but if that were the case he’d have tried to interact with us and slow down the momentum. Every time grack has some resistance to a lynch though that resistance doesn’t seem to be real/come in a townie fashion. I think townies would interject whenever necessary to prevent mislynches. I’m not getting that impression. There are lots of other factors at play here though. Like I’ve seen bad things in both grack’s and MZ’s play and one has to be town | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Then VE lynches HF like a fucking tool. Man fuck this game I'm done. On meta alone how would you place MZ’s play this game? Btw I’m right there with you on this game, but don’t beat yourself up about anything, you did the most of anyone to keep town in this. | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:36 Pandain wrote: I thought about that but Grack actually does have lots of posts arguing why HF shouldn't be lynched. But it doesn't mean that much to me anyway, because as I know the other lynch he was pushing was on a townie (me). That came EoD though right? Similar to his anti push on FF | ||
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Like if I were town in his situation and I didn’t agree with you, VE, I probably wouldn’t rule myself out as scum. Like, from that perspective I don’t think he sees a good reason to townread me because he’s aware to some degree that I can play an active scum game. Unlike slam, who I think doesn’t have enough in the way of opinion-conveying posts, my problem on grack is that it is sometimes hard to follow the logic and rationale for his thoughts. The actual results of those thoughts aren’t my terrible. I also recognize that a scum here would know they need to paint both myself and Pandain badly because it helps in endgame when only one of us is alive | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:42 Pandain wrote: I don't know why I'm defending someone I want to get lynched. Nevermind bugs, you're 100% right and the reasoning is brilliant. Let's lynch Grack  I’m really like 50% on grack. Like I said above I see huge variance in his posts, like some I’d say look really townish and others just make me think no townie would ever post that | ||
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Anyway, grack calling me scum is one of those things that can make sense from both alignments. Hell, him calling HF town and defending him EoD is potentially good from both alignments as well, just slightly more scummy to me given the lateness and the manner of it. I think the most suspicious thing about grack’s opinions is not the actual opinions themselves but the way they have changed is not clear. | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:48 Pandain wrote: Mafia is great at making townish points. It's because they actually know what is happening in the game and the "right" thing to do and say. You have to find the things that don't make sense and focus on them. I remember ver or Qatol or Incognoto saying one time that "90% of a posts by a scum are probably okay, it's the 10% slipups that you have to focus on" I don’t disagree here, it’s exactly why I thought HF was scum. Townies often have weird reasons for doing things and unless you see those reasons and they make sense it’s hard to come to a definitive conclusion. Neither MZ nor grack have helped elucidate reasons | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Could the bolded just be a result of his inactivity and the times when he chooses to post? Like, townies are often not clear on their reasoning, this seems bad. Yeah, which is why I asked him directly why he changed his read on me. I wanted to know why he thought HF was town as well. I had a half troll half serious post when we were lynching HF where I just took a few posts from past games to see if grack could come up with good reasons for reading HF (and be right/as sure as he was here). I don’t feel like I’ve gotten much from grack about his opinions though. Like the Vivax Pandain thing is also still really weird. | ||
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