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okay, I’m back. As long as I can keep my eyes open I’ll be around till lynch. I’m somehow really nervous for this lynch, like it’s make or break time.
On May 05 2019 03:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:03 Pandain wrote:On May 05 2019 02:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Pandain.
After rereading his filter I don't like that he makes such a hard turn into being super sure Vivax is the best lynch at the end of the day and tries to milk the credit for voting him for all that it's worth. Rayn put him in a spot where he pretty much had to vote Vivax but there wasn't much chance of Vivax actually dying at the end of the day when the only people posting were me/Pandain/Rayn. None of this is true. First of all I had a strong scum read on him, but it wasn't "certain" by any means . Second, Rayn didn't put me in any position and I'm not sure what this means at all. I could have easily not tried to change the lynch, or lynch bugs (Rayn top scum read), or just go afk. So this is completely false. Third, we had no idea how much chance there was. Normally end of day is very active and inactive people come back last 20 or so minutes. There were four non voters which us huge. Your end of day 1 posts read heavily to me like you knew Vivax would flip scum later in the game and wanted your vote on him to look good. You asked Rayn if he would switch to Rels. He said he the only vote he would switch to was Vivax. It would look really strange imo if you came out against lynching Vivax after expressing interest in switching up the vote, so I don't see you ever not voting Vivax as scum in that position. If you wanted a WBG lynch then conceivably you would have voted him already. For the third part, I think it was pretty clear from the game being 20 pages long and me/Rayn/you being the only ones there that there wasn't going to be a sudden urge of interest in the last ten minutes.
I think you misread what happened, maybe because you only looked at filters. Rayn said he only wanted to lynch bugs (me) or Vivax. Pandain says he didn’t want to vote me so he picked Vivax. Go back and reread this, it’s not a point against Pandain, because Vivax was not the only choice presented.
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On May 05 2019 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:From the way I saw it Vivax was a pretty good lynch just from lynching into a player that wasn't posting (and also is bad at scum) without having any strong scum reads but I didn't think he had all that much better odds of flipping mafia than most of the other players from just his two posts. I think Pandain really played up the end of the day vote after Rayn said he wanted to vote Vivax. This reads to me like: "now that I'm bussing I want to get as much credit as possible from the vote." Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote:
Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:53 Pandain wrote:
Grack join the train. You know me and you are mafia bros. Let's lynch scum together. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:54 Pandain wrote:
Who else is here? There's gotta be mafia lurking. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:57 Pandain wrote:
Fuck I think Vivax was the best lynch actually. Where is everyone.
There are several things wrong with this analysis.
First of all, and most basically, none of the first 4 posts are alignment indicative.
If you want to argue the fifth post makes Pandain look like scum, and this is really the crux of the argument here, you have to do several things, the first of which is assuming Pandain is scum. Sure, if you assume Pandain is scum, that looks like a scummy thing to say. However, we all know this is not how you scumhunt because you don't assume your premise before you go looking for evidence of it, that's called confirming your bias.
If you don't assume Pandain is scum and you want to figure out his alignment, you look at the evidence and say, "Does this make sense from a mafia agenda?" and "Does this only make sense from a mafia agenda?". Typically, affirmative answers to the first question are useful hints but not conclusive, and actually a lot of affirmative answers to "does this make sense from a mafia agenda" are just red herrings. However, affirmative answers to the second question are like gold, because they're so hard to find.
I think it's fair to say you are reading far too much into it if you believe that last quote only makes sense from a mafia perspective. Townies lament failed lynches all the time, especially close to the deadline, regardless of whether they end up correct or not. Reading too much into "best" isn't really a great idea either. We have the info that Vivax would have flipped scum, but in that context any townie could say "best" referring to the viable lynches that were on the table, e.g. Jock, Vivax, and Rels. From a Pandain=town perspective, he's telling the truth, it matches the rest of his posts, and thus the statement does make sense from a town perspective and the answer to the question "does this make sense only from a mafia agenda" is no.
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On May 05 2019 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Similarly if I were mafia, you guys would all be FUCKED. Instead, we're likely all just going to be picked off a night at a time until only lurkers remain.
On May 05 2019 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
See my issue VE is I am town. But anyone who has played extensively with me as town knows my best performances include pms to bounce ideas off of. Hence how I was asking you and bugs stuff last night to make sure I wasn't seeing things in a weird bubble.
Also you have no idea how much I hope both you and bugs are town. Taking a huge leap im not being fucked with.
we're in this together
unless either or both of you are mafia, then fuck you.
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HF, desperately voting MZ at this hour is not going to save him from being lynched tomorrow
You should just concede now and save yourself further embarrassment
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On May 05 2019 03:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote:
Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler,
I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me.
Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason.
Sincerely,
Pandain Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote:
Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") So HF, He said he thought Jock was a good lynch, but thought Rels was a better lynch, then chose Vivax for basically the same reason. Fuck, like, He stated his reasons for voting and you are damning him for it. Based on that logic, the fact you fake claimed to kill bugs but are now pushing pandain means we should lynch you because you thought bugs was worth the fake claim.
I mean HF literally also said like four times that I am more likely to be scum than Pandain but conveniently his vote never moved to me.
Like all that shit about the mod confirmation? If the KP bs was the thing that moved HF over the edge to move his vote from me to Pandain, why wouldn't he move it back to me the moment Artanis confirmed that there's only 1 kp? Nothing else happened inbetween those two events.
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On May 05 2019 03:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 02 2019 01:02 Pandain wrote:
Dear Mr. BloodyC0bbler,
I think Jock is a good lynch but I'm keeping my vote on Rels at the moment. This is exactly what he did in End of the World as mafia (as you and I both know), and I also don't like his only post that said "me too!". It just seemed fake to me.
Furthermore, and maybe more importantly, it pressures him to come on in and talk. I would love if more people voted him if only for this reason.
Sincerely,
Pandain On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote:
Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass") So HF, He said he thought Jock was a good lynch, but thought Rels was a better lynch, then chose Vivax for basically the same reason. Fuck, like, He stated his reasons for voting and you are damning him for it. Based on that logic, the fact you fake claimed to kill bugs but are now pushing pandain means we should lynch you because you thought bugs was worth the fake claim. Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Should we fucking lynch you or what? What a hypocritical fuck. This is literally what you YOU have said about Pandain. He was the top of your mafia list. NOW IT'S ME WITH THE TWISTING NARRATIVE LOL.
it's almost as if players continue to post and things gradually become clearer over time
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On May 05 2019 03:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 05 2019 03:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 05 2019 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 05 2019 03:30 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again.
I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. It's almost as if you were describing YOUR play in this game up to this moment. Can you point to one point in this game VE where I have cherry picked something and not critically evaluated it or had reasons for what I've done? One. Just fucking one. Prove this and I will bend over, let you fuck over town and lynch myself. I'll wait. Nah, because you're going to bend over and let me lynch you anyway. Rather, convince me to lynch someone else, someone like Pandain or MZ. I know you're down to lynch MZ. Fuck off. The whole premise as to why I'm mafia from bugs and bc is that I'm opportunistic and cherry pick and twist narratives. If you can't point to even one part of this game where I have done that then fuck you. I don't have to, bugs already did, I looked myself and agreed and moved my vote. You can get angry and indignant all you want, but you had an opportunity to say all this before now. Link me to this proof. Right now. I won't. Dig yourself out of this. Extremely convenient. I can only assume you're mafia.
as with Meapak, and myself, and Pandain, and BC
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I thought anger comes before bargaining...
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you know I had my doubts but now I'm fucking giddy about this lynch
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On May 05 2019 03:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain. Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game. This is bullshit. Holyflare was the person pushing people the hardest outside of maybe Rayn and Bugs acknowledged that earlier unprompted..
you don't seem to understand the difference between having enough cred to get sheeped and actually aggressively pushing your targets.
My push on HF = aggressive.
HF's push on me, Pandain, and Jock = opportunistic. He literally saw openings in players he thought he could misrepresent and attacked those. Note his voting patterns in particular. He only votes once he knows there is significant momentum on his target. The only exception on face value is his push on me, but that one was easy to predict from a mile away because rayn incorrectly read me and then died-and if HF is scum, he knew that would happen anyway.
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On May 05 2019 03:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:40 Grackaroni wrote:On May 04 2019 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
bugs as for a questions for you.
Who would you say is currently controlling the flow of this game player wise? IE who has the most influence currently. no one. If I had to pick one player, the closest would be HF. Why HF over say VE? As of this moment I feel VE has the closest thing to thread control. HF is the only person in the thread who has consistently managed to get a wagon going. Jock, myself, Pandain. On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? On May 04 2019 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 12:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
The paranoia within me gives HF a good chance to flip scum. I don't really understand why others think he is town and he's done a phenomenal job at twisting words and misrepresenting events throughout the game. His responses to rebuttals are really underwhelming, he tends to pick one thing and blow it completely out of proportion, like the NK scumtell thing, me "not responding" to his case on Pandain after calling it trash, he fake claims cop and then just brushes it aside like "ah but nah but maybe not today but yeah I'm gonna try to be mysterious" and even rayn complained that when talking to HF he got nothing out of him, especially when rayn asked HF for his opinions about me. Question for you, then. Outside of fake claiming to kill you. Does he seem to be aggressively pushing targets right now? He doesn't seem to be aggressive in pushing to me, no. I'd classify his play as opportunistic in this game. This is bullshit. Holyflare was the person pushing people the hardest outside of maybe Rayn and Bugs acknowledged that earlier unprompted.. I don't understand how you can go from Holyflare is leading the thread to Holyflare isn't pushing people aggressively and is just opportunistic.
also note there's a difference between leading wagons and leading scum hunting.
Mafia lead wagons all the fucking time, I do this myself. Mafia obviously don't scum hunt.
HF never led any scum hunting because if you read his posts it's abundantly clear he's not trying to figure out the game. He's not working from a position of limited information. If he were working with limited information, he would work harder to establish relationships with other townies. Sure, he might have doubts on reading them but he would actively seek out those interactions and try to build an understanding of how the game works.
Compare how HF interacted with rayn to how I interacted with rayn. Or compare how HF interacts with literally any of myself, VE, or BC, and then compare how the three of myself, VE, and BC interact with each other.
Both mafia and town can lead and push lynches on people from the background, i.e. by sowing opinions in others and taking advantage of opportunities. I don't believe that town HF operates that way though, town HF is far more direct than he is in this game.
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On May 05 2019 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
Where have I misrepresented any of these people?
Jock, played extremely differently to any of his games. My meta was correct, it just didn't make him mafia.
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On May 05 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 05 2019 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2019 03:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:
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This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot. I know that HF posted this as a reason to vote for pandain. However with the mod confirmation of fixed 1 kp I am inclined to think this post alone would exonerate pandain. Why? Because if you have more information than the rest of the game (being mafia) you tend to be super careful in regards to talking about kp, being vague or what not. I don't see a player of pandains experience being mafia in this case. Fuck. and then I made this post here HF. I have a 3 page filter. Cherry pick me more? THAT'S NOT WHAT CHERRY PICKING IS LOL. YOU you you, have said that I have CHERRY PICKED my case on pandain. That means I've extrapolated information incorrectly and used it to formulate a push in a bad way. This is extremely false because it's the same thing you posted. Either you have also cherry picked a pandain case or I have not. If you say I have then you also have. Just because things after the fact you say exonerate Pandain doesn't mean that I have to agree or disagree with them. If I disagree with your premise and say that people fake dumb tells like that all the time that is then a divergent path in our reads, not a cherry picked case being pushed. You are the one now saying that our disagreement is in fact cherry picking and a twisted narrative. Where does that twisted narrative ever occur BC? I have literally used the word cherry picking once and it was when you cherry picked 1 of my posts while ignoring another. Would would create a false narrative. However. If you really need to know. For all your "case" you have on pandain you didnt fucking vote for him because you still werent sure he was mafia UNTIL HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY OF MULTIPLE MAFIA KP. YOU THEN USED THAT AS THE MAIN REASON YOU VOTED FOR HIM. For fucks sake dude. that is literally what you did. Because of the whole bugs and pandain interaction yes. That is why I fake claimed to get a reaction from bugs and see if it would solidify that relationship even more. There's a method behind the madness... Somewhere. I had literally 0 reasons not to vote pandain other than bugs and UNTIL pandain did something that went against my ROLE which I would have had to have done so many things to plan for as mafia : Plan to fake cop on bugs while also planning to really have an endgame strat of claiming veteran afterwards and basing my whole play around that claim so that any kind of slip like that I would have instantly outed myself to trade 1 single town player (if I was mafia) for myself and then also have to fucking deal with people asking why I'm not dead the following thousand cycles and arguing about it pointlessly forever. Or I could just do the much simpler mafia strategy of doing none of that and not creating an intricate dichotomy between bugs and pandain and just simply lynch pandain for free be because almost everyone is onboard. No way do I ever do the first. Never.
I mean, this would ordinarily be an amazing fucking argument. Like, I actually was on board with "nah HF would never fake claim here as scum" and 100% believed the claim when you made it because I was like he has to be a cop here.
But of course, you have a history of fake claiming. and you know that.
Which makes all of these completely alignment non-indicative because you and I both know, as some of the better scum players on these forums, that in order not get lynched for a deviation between your town and scum plays you have to do exactly what you would do as town. Or at least, you need to try to do exactly what you think others would expect you to do as town. And in your case, that's fake claim.
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On May 05 2019 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I hope it's not MZ and you're trying to bus him, I'd be pretty disappoint.
On May 05 2019 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF, desperately voting MZ at this hour is not going to save him from being lynched tomorrow
You should just concede now and save yourself further embarrassment
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On May 05 2019 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holyflare where's your partner? You got fucking fucked guy, is it Grack? He's the ONLY ONE trying to save you. Ergo.... Nobody is saving me Thus my alignment must be....
doomed scum
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On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively.
grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do
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On May 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 05 2019 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I guess it's mostly up to Rels/Koshi if this lynch is going to change.
I don't like this lynch at all. BC's case was just that HF usually plays more aggressively as mafia, and that's definitely not the meta read that people like Rayn/Koshi would use to read HF who are both good players that play with HF frequently. I don't know why BC/WBG are the Holyflare experts when they haven't really played with him in years.
I think HF's content has been good this game and I think that he has actually pushed his views aggressively. grack I hope you're just a clueless townie here because if HF flips scum you're going to have a lot of explaining to do Do you understand how this mafia game works. When have you ever seen a mafia hard defend their teammate like this? I can't even think of any instance.
hello? The last game we played together, I did exactly that??
rofl
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On May 05 2019 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
When did we play together as mafia bugs?
we were on opposite teams, IIRC. I was scum with Rayn and someone else who I forget
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On May 05 2019 04:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2019 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
I think at this point even though I haven't and most likely still won't read MZ's filter I am pretty sure he has to be mafia. Of all the people that have voted me or fabricated reasons on me or cherry picked he's the only one that's simply hopped on with no critical evaluation or hesitance. He just exists in this game coming out of the woodwork to ask a few questions and back away into blending again.
I know my vote is on you Pandain but I'll unvote you just as a sign of good faith because I really don't think you should be lynched over slam/mz/koshi. Can anyone counter this mz is mafia case?
no because MZ is scum
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grack I have a quiz for you.
Can you guess HF's alignment in each of these posts?
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On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.
Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it.
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On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.
He was super submissive to rayn.
He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.
His interactions with me are all defensive.
Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least.
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On June 05 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to think there's been any mafia motivation in my play. All I've done is call it like I've seen it. If I was wrong then fair enough, I was wrong but just because I haven't had the time to play nor come back with ferocity that you "think" I should have does not make me mafia.
It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things.
It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all?
It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia.
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