Like there was no reason to assume the lynch would change. So if he was scum he was just giving up? Doesn't seem like it.
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Like there was no reason to assume the lynch would change. So if he was scum he was just giving up? Doesn't seem like it. | ||
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It's also part of why Slam is suspicious. He has 8 pages of filter and I don't actually think one is a good post. I mean he's a spammer but is he normally this bad? | ||
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You can read my prior post on grack here: On May 06 2019 06:53 Pandain wrote: I don't like this post at all. First of all, the last sentence is extremely and obviously false, and looks like he's just trying to make up stuff. The idea I felt forced by Rayn to vote Vivax is extremely ridiculous and I'm not sure how anyone actually can come to that conclusion, particuarly since he was there when it was happening. But second of all, and more importantly, it actually reveals his own mindset during the lynch. Grack, in his own words, thought there was very little chance of Vivax dying. Unlike me, and it basically completely negates his own vote on Vivax. This also makes no sense. I was trying to get as much credit as possible from the bus? But actually I was only able to get credit because Vivax was modkilled, something no one could have predicted day one. And in his own words, "Vivax was very unlikely to get lynched." So in that scenario I would have never gotten any credit (because no flip), and instead I would have just thrown Vivax under the bus for day 2. Trying to sheep Rayn's analysis, which is the same exact thing mafia koshi tried to do. Seems mafia was trying to get people to follow dead town Rayn's analysis, and Grack is doing the same thing here. I also don't like how he hardcore defended HF and said he's super obviously townie. This is the weakest of my points. But I don't think it was actually obvious and there were lots of good points made against him. I think dismissing them like this suggests inside knowledge. Anyway just some thoughts. I'm going to do meta analysis tomorrow if I have time. Still not placing a vote but definitely more suspicious of Grack. Slam is useless. Whether it's because of time or because he's mafia, he's been useless. His filter is so sporadic and random I don't even understand many of his posts. So I want to lynch him, but there's just a huge element of randomness that I would want to do it last. | ||
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I'm more bewildered by Slam than anything else. But if he coasts to victory as mafia as the "hahaha, I'm so busy and random LOL" I'm going to actually lose it. | ||
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Complains about time but uses it uselessly 1. Whole last day was going through HF filter (why would we even think HF is accurate, and I think town has been pretty good so far on Vivax and Koshi even though they didn't die from getting lynched). It was all useless and spammy and pointless an Wanted to vote me and never ever justified it. Even said he wanted to martyr Like half his posts are spam, 1/4 are HF posts, and 1/4 are about me. But he never justified it even after I asked him. But is this because he's mafia or because he's just useless? | ||
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If you are able to have 8 pages you are not "low on time", at least not enough to the point where you are this useless and incapable of doing a single actual analysis. Both as town and mafia, it's inexcusable to have the amount of useless spam, sheeping, and generally uncomprehensible material. | ||
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Grack pops in during the HF lynch to say: On May 05 2019 02:10 Grackaroni wrote: What the fuck guys. Holyflare's filter is super super townie. But he later admits he hadn't even read the case on him: On May 05 2019 02:54 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through your filter atm VE so I'll see what your case on HF is. | ||
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And it's ok VE, I led the lynch away from MZ/Grack/Slam towards someone a townie most people were already reading as town :p. We wouldn't even have to be worrying about this if I hadn't made the FF post. | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:34 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree on this, particularly as prior to that I didn’t have the impression that grack was closely following the game. If he were more present, I’d buy that he’d been reading and had come to some conclusion, but if that were the case he’d have tried to interact with us and slow down the momentum. Every time grack has some resistance to a lynch though that resistance doesn’t seem to be real/come in a townie fashion. I think townies would interject whenever necessary to prevent mislynches. I’m not getting that impression. There are lots of other factors at play here though. Like I’ve seen bad things in both grack’s and MZ’s play and one has to be town I thought about that but Grack actually does have lots of posts arguing why HF shouldn't be lynched. But it doesn't mean that much to me anyway, because as I know the other lynch he was pushing was on a townie (me). | ||
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I mean dude I'm with you I think he's scummy. But as this is mafia, there could be many explanations and it's not definitive. | ||
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Nevermind bugs, you're 100% right and the reasoning is brilliant. Let's lynch Grack ![]() | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't meaningless though, because there's no guarantee he could have landed a lynch on you if he convinced anyone off HF. The only two votes that were going to happen, 100%, was me and HF. And in fact most people were suspicious about me at that point and I think most of the HF voters had originally voted me. So if he convinced someone off of them it would probably go to me; even you and BC were still very suspicious of me at that point. | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:44 wherebugsgo wrote: idk I think grack’s push on me actually makes him seem really townie. Like if I were town in his situation and I didn’t agree with you, VE, I probably wouldn’t rule myself out as scum. Like, from that perspective I don’t think he sees a good reason to townread me because he’s aware to some degree that I can play an active scum game. Unlike slam, who I think doesn’t have enough in the way of opinion-conveying posts, my problem on grack is that it is sometimes hard to follow the logic and rationale for his thoughts. The actual results of those thoughts aren’t my terrible. I also recognize that a scum here would know they need to paint both myself and Pandain badly because it helps in endgame when only one of us is alive The bottom is important. One of bugs and I are going to be alive in the endgame. Also let's not forget that BC's main scumread was Grack. As to the above, I don't really understand why Grack's push on you makes him townie. Explain? | ||
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On May 08 2019 21:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I’m really like 50% on grack. Like I said above I see huge variance in his posts, like some I’d say look really townish and others just make me think no townie would ever post that Mafia is great at making townish points. It's because they actually know what is happening in the game and the "right" thing to do and say. You have to find the things that don't make sense and focus on them. I remember ver or Qatol or Incognoto saying one time that "90% of a posts by a scum are probably okay, it's the 10% slipups that you have to focus on" | ||
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Would you two agree? That will definitely help us in the endgame. | ||
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It's just next would be Grack and not MZ for me. | ||
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I have a very strong town read on bugs. Slight town read on MZ. And then Slam/Grack are the same moderate scum read. | ||
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Does he live in the Fallout universe? | ||
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