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On May 04 2019 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's why I think HF's play is so strong - he mixes the old style of play where he can string more than three sentences together in a post with the newer style of play where he's aware of the thread and interacts with it a lot...and it comes across as opportunistic and scummy in a really general sense, so it makes him hard to read by default.
he's not aware of the thread though, he's been consistently wrong about how events have unfolded and this has been pointed out several times already. Look at some of my rebuttals to him, for example. It's basically like he's coming in periodically, catching up and not actually spending time trying to figure out alignments, just finding surface-level things to nitpick and blow out of proportion.
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BC you don't think Pandain is scum anymore. Care to take a stand on who you think is?
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as much as I'm afraid others think I'm pulling the wool over their eyes, I'm afraid of you pulling the wool over my eyes, BC :p
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Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post:
On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:HF I think you played your hand too hard here Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
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You say no, maybe only vivax.
Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
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Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia? When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain
Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.
Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity. Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't? I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC. 1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance. 2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance. 3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC? So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2? 1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
2. Yup. BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum. HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list?
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On May 04 2019 12:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
TBH I am currently filter diving HF as hes had a few posts that make me reallllly question him.
I asked VE and you questions basically to ensure that my general though process isn't well, insane. The fact that VE holds the same opinion as me in that HF is normally aggressive and well, I am not seeing that this game. And haven't during any of it. End of the world he was aggressive and was a center of spawning conversation whereas this game he isn't and instead he comes off almost apathetic to my eyes.
So now I dive and re read things in context to what was happening in thread.
I would suggest first diving HF, then reading in context of the rest of the posts (there aren't many in this game, so it shouldn't take long. That's a nice thing about low activity)
Then, once you've come to some conclusion, I'd suggest looking at my interactions with HF from my filter, and see if your conclusion changes after seeing my perspective.
BTW, the activity bit made me realise one other thing. I wouldn't classify this town as cohesive nor do I think it's a particularly active game. HF is an active player as either alignment and I think moderate activity is great for town while extremes (very low/very high) are often bad for finding scum. HF tends toward a higher-activity type player, but as far as I can tell has expressed no frustrations this game that there are a ton of players who haven't contributed, or haven't even bothered to vote. His attitude comes across more like just apathy and I find it hard to believe that a high activity town player like him wouldn't be a little bothered that they can't easily figure out the game due to people just not participating.
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On May 04 2019 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
BRO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW PISSED I'M GONNA BE IF PANDAIN IS MAFIA AND WE DECIDE TO LYNCH TOWN HF
dude I 100% agree with you here. However at some point I need to put my money where my mouth is, idc if literally everyone else thinks Pandain is scum, I'm sticking to my guns and not buying it.
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I'm suspicious of anyone seriously trying to get Rels killed before it's clear whether he gets modkilled or not and MZ most of all because his read shifts make no sense from a "I'm town and I'm trying to figure out who's scum" perspective. Here's the progression, as usual emphasis mine.
On May 03 2019 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2019 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 10:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 10:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 10:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.
I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.
However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs. do you have any real opinions? Do you? I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible. I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy. VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red. I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know. Let's hear what you have to say on BC. I'm assuming right now you think he's town and I want to hear why. I also want to know what you think of Koshi and FF. Like I said to FF feel free to assume I'm town as you respond to me, because that's what I'll flip. If you're town, it's going to make your life much easier later. ohhh now we're having fun, why on earth do you think I read BC as town? I'll get to the others in a second but I wanna know where this "MZ reads BC town" came from. just a hunch, since you agreed with the same wagon on d1, and you think I am scum & making associations on VE & Pandain. I find it hard to believe that anyone could think I am scum with BC but maybe I just don't really understand how mafia works anymore. On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Order of people who need to be lynched currently.
Jock
Rels
FF
Rels and FF are interchangeable atm.
If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements.
In terms of everyone else.
BC - Town
Pandain - lean town
WBG -lean town
HF - lean town
VE - Lean town
Koshi - Neutral
Rayn - Neutral
Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town. On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
Well I really don't like either of these two incredibly opportunistic posts right here. And you and BC could very easily be scum together so let's not get all caught up in wifom as to why you two "couldn't be scum together" shall we. I would say BC is less likely to flip red than Pandain but I certainly don't have him as turbo town. Koshi is null: On May 02 2019 05:52 Koshi wrote:
I am shooting Fefe tonight. #Truestory But I would love to get a follow on with that. Rels... might actually be a great follow on if Pandain isn't scum: On May 03 2019 02:10 Rels wrote:
gotta stop now, lunch break is over. I'm almost caught up, bugs and Vivax scums. Vivax is a really good wagon to start D2 with as he doesn't know how to defend as scum This post right here was two hours before them flip, funny how it mentions vivax who scum probably would have known by then was gonna get modkilled... okay, so just to clarify: 1. you're assuming I am scum 2. you're fairly convinced Pandain is scum 3. You're townish on BC? Less likely than Pandain but not turbo town? What's keeping you from taking a stance on BC? 4. Koshi is null/unreadable. 5. Rels might be a good lead IFF Pandain is not scum because he might have slipped on knowing about Vivax. Is that right? Can you clarify on #3? I want to hear more about BC. Jesus you are dense You have a red check backing up good analysis done by HF, of course I think you're scumYes I have no idea how you got townish on BC, if anything I'd say scummish. The only reason you don't think I have a stance on BC is bc you're being obtuse. I think he made two very opportunistic posts and aside from that has done fuck all. Rels is probably scum before BC because of his TMI post but if by some godawful stroke of luck you are a miller and Pandain is also town then BC would be next up of most likely suspects in my eyes. Yes Yes
Also the last "Yes" here is confirming this: "Rels might be a good lead IFF Pandain is not scum because he might have slipped on knowing about Vivax."
On May 04 2019 03:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok two hours to go.
I want to do shenanigans. HF not around to defend or explain his actions is making me not like the bugs lynch more and more.
Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.
I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk. After the death of the gf I'd imagine scum morale is pretty low and if townies are pointing fingers at townies their best strategy is to lurk.
Weird things here:
1. HF is not around to defend/explain. Why would MZ not comment here on HF then?? Does he think HF is scummier for it? He clearly thinks I'm less likely to be scum but why does me being scum hinge on HF being around and not, you know, his own reading of the game???
2. The progression from earlier based on my highlight would be me/Pandain, THEN BC, THEN Rels. Okay, if MZ thinks me & Pandain are both town then that's fine, but the only suggestion that MZ is even thinking about Pandain is this post somewhat before:
On May 04 2019 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
HF you really need to explain your whole bugs thing.
Also Pandain's absence is really annoying
And why would an absence make someone more town?
The second half of that statement in that above post, this:
Like I said early game, I'd rather not just lynch through the most active voices who find themselves on the wrong thread sentiment.
I would like to go after Rels for the tmi post and complete afk.
is also really weird. It's like MZ is self-aware his stated top "scumreads" are all "active" players: Myself, Pandain, BC in that order. However BC didn't come back and show any sort of activity either, so why has Rels suddenly jumped to the top of the list?
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okay I realized I missed that MZ said this:
Rels is probably scum before BC because of his TMI post but
So it's not completely weird, but the point still stands that BC had not reentered the thread when MZ was all like "yeah let's kill Rels for not doing anything and posting about Vivax being scum"
Half the players in the game said Vivax was scum at some point, e.g. Grack also said if Vivax is scum we could get him day 2. Rels mentioning only me and Vivax is also completely understandable if he focused a lot on rayn's posts because we were the two main players rayn called out. The OP makes activity & voting rules fairly clear for this game so if Rels ever shows up again we can discuss at that point. Currently though it's a waste of time.
I'm going to be gone for a while, here's my current state of the game:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/O6tjH8E.png)
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HF going through the 7 stages of grief at like 1 every 3 posts
looks like we're at bargaining atm
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On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious .
and he supposedly plays a conversational game, yet every time myself or rayn or anyone else tried to ask him about reads he'd troll or say he already talked about them (when he didn't) and when pushed to the point where refusing would be too scummy he'd say nothing. He's still doing that actually, in his rant he randomly mentions MZ as a lurker (wat)
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On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post: On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:HF I think you played your hand too hard here On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
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You say no, maybe only vivax.
Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
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On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia? When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you. On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain
Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.
Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity. On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't? I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC. 1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance. 2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance. 3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC? So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2? 1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
2. Yup. BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum. HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list? If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts. I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1.
it's PoE but it's missing MZ and grack, the latter of which you've mentioned a whopping total of what...never? Once or twice at most? We're not playing the same game if you think MZ is a lurker, either.
Here's what HF posted in his big rant. He talks about breaking down his thoughts but literally nothing he posted is new, it's just a rehashing of the same old same old that's been rebutted 5000 times.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not gonna lie I'm really busy and that's almost eerily accurate to exactly how I'm playing this game though.
It's a lie I'm not aware of the thread though, I just don't allude to everything I'm thinking.
I'll break it down:
I didn't and still don't like Pandain's day 1. I don't care if it's how you felt and if vivax was on Jock, Jock was a good vote that Pandain supported it but at every opportunity was wishy washy af about joining it ESPECIALLY as his reason for voting rels was pointed out as incorrect repeatedly. Yeah, you and he call it hedging and whatever but to me it doesn't look like hedging, it now looks quite like he may have seen a mafia partner on Jock and not wanted to join it.
if we're going to talk wishy washy, minus actual votes (because he hasn't yet voted, not once) this all equally applies to MZ but here we are nearing the end of D2 and you still don't have an opinion on him.
The last part is just baseless speculation.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I didn't like all the credit he's trying to take for the vivax flip or how he talked about being banned for just bussing in one breath while then changing his tune to saying another thing about bussing in another breath.
what in the fuck are you talking about? This is such a misrepresentation of what actually happened.
all he said was that people who are willing to lynch him who aren't looking at the vote situation on d1 are missing the fact that given how many people hadn't voted, it would be highly risky to try and off his teammate if he were scum. He then said if bussing is common on the forum then we can just consider this a null tell, because of your protests about it.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
I think his post on BC isn't exactly wrong in any regard but it looks very much like just a deflection to someone equally afk rather than a constructive scum read.
baseless speculation. Also BC was legitimately scummy until just earlier today when he reentered the thread. You can only get away with town reading BC "because he only said things you agreed with" for so long.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I'd probably vote a lurker over him at this point though like mz who just asks questions over and over again but doesn't really contribute anything himself. Maybe actually alakaslam who I forgot was even in the game.
MZ is a lurker? ROFL
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
Bugs, I dunno about you. I genuinely thought you were mafia and still hedge over you repeatedly. I look for how people spend their little time in the game and you spent an inordinate amount of time defending Pandian n1 before Pandain had even commented on anything. Your narrative didn't gel with my own meta on Pandain in the slightest and certainly, after just playing with him, his 1 game meta feels wildly different from last game did. That's why I claimed a red check on you. Partly to see how you'd react, which was horribly, pretty much just accepting my check was real and assuming you were a miller and that I'd never do this as mafia while simultaneously trying to shit all over it and give situations where I'm mafia. I think your Pandain repeated defence this cycle isn't necessarily out of character based on your n1 but it seems like that was all you were doing.
If you're town, after we established that your ability to read meta sucks nards on d1 w.r.t Jock I'd imagine that you might actually consider what I had to say but you just brushed me off. You never tried to work with me despite the multiple times I tried to open a conversation with you, and you even trolled the rayn when he asked you about your read on me. In hindsight that smells a lot like you were stalling as long as possible so you wouldn't have to commit to anything when talking to rayn because you knew he would die soon afterward anyway.
On May 04 2019 17:43 Holyflare wrote:I dunno if I'm just not invested in mafia anymore or if I'm just busy but it feels unfun to play this game. I think it might be mainly the activity of other people and I just got tired of talking to mafia reads while everyone else afks. In fact that's most likely it. Tbh even my mafia read afkd so maybe it's just everyone afking I hate.
I normally don't read too much into statements like these because I assume they're probably pretty legit and honest. I think this is actually HF's real opinion here, but not because he's town. It's far more likely IMO that HF is just sad that he got stuck with a shit team and his GF got modkilled n1. I also think that HF didn't feel this way earlier in the game because he 1. trolled rayn and to a lesser extent trolled me as well, 2. seemed happy enough before:
On May 02 2019 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
I'm having so much fun though :D
On May 02 2019 05:06 Holyflare wrote:![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/02b02664d3572560d1e977011c88a094/tenor.gif)
and to top it all off 3. HF has never actually done anything this game to try and fix this problem; in fact, despite saying he's a conversational scumhunter he's actively made it worse by withholding reads, not responding, and not initiating any conversations himself. All of this supposed frustration this game seems to only be coming up now after I posted my suspicion of a lack of frustration about activity on HF's part.
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MZ this game
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aight I'm gonna sleep a bit early in the off-chance I can wake up in ~7 hours to catch the flip. No last minute vote swaps today please, we're killing HF and HF only.
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On May 04 2019 21:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 20:42 Pandain wrote:
Like what does HF really believe outside of me and bugs? It's not obvious . Do you want me to pick and choose between mz on almost no posts/koshi on almost no posts and alakaslam the unreadable mess?
I mean, you have to choose someone even according to your own logic because you said myself and Pandain can't be scum together
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On May 04 2019 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are fucking morons. I'm the veteran, put two and two things together. I thought pandain was mafia and voted him because he alluded to there being 2kp and it being blocked and I was a very likely target to be shot.
I asked artanis to clarify the kp, not bugs, because it didn't say it in the OP and if you actually read the thread I'm the one asking about it.
I fake claimed cop because I was likely one of the only blues in the game and probably could.
Just because I don't give a shit doesn't make me mafia. There's 100s of my town games where I just don't give a shit about the game and conveniently this just happens to be a weekend I'm busy purchasing a house. Why should I talk about anyone else when mz is a lurker in my point of view.
He comes in to make one post or two every 24 hours.
Koshi similarly.
Alakaslam no idea whatsoever.
I think it's pretty opportune to push me over any of these people when anyone knows the only alignment I actually care about winning is as mafia. Town I just want to be correct and do my own thing.
sick scum claim, HF is now trying to change the narrative on the KP question LOL
I sent a PM and asked how is KP calculated right after posting this:
On May 04 2019 09:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:
Probably correct but op says no such thing and theres no given mafia vig role. It would have to be factional 1 time kp which is sneaky from mods. It also means a pretty bad slip from panda. actually the more I think about it, I think the KP bit is not alignment indicative I can’t actually think of a good reason for someone from either faction to speculate about a doctor save. It looks bad, but I’m not sure it’s scummy.
I also claimed the question immediately after and tried to shut down the talk about KP because HF was using it to call Pandain scum.
HF doesn't even mention it until 8 hours later:
On May 04 2019 17:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 04 2019 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked about Mafia KP.
Mafia KP is fixed at 1. k now we can stop speculating on useless stuff It was in the OP, your dumbtell is not accepted. It absolutely wasn't, trust me 
Sure, he was asleep or whatever, so timing doesn't work. Fine. But he wasn't the only one speculating nor wondering about KP, given that I was in the thread literally at the same time.
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On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.
What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward?
cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc.
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On May 04 2019 22:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 17:48 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Ask yourself why town HF would dodge responding to this post: On May 03 2019 07:32 wherebugsgo wrote:HF I think you played your hand too hard here On May 02 2019 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
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You say no, maybe only vivax.
Pandain comes up with reasons to vote vivax that don't really apply because vivax has proportional activity to normal since this thread isn't very long imo. Maybe he's busy? Who the fuck knows?
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On May 02 2019 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. I will let himself say what he has to say about that.
Why is Vivax not mafia? When did I say vivax wasn't mafia? I don't think he's done anything good or awful. Similarly to you. On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. On May 02 2019 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi/bugs/rels/vivax/pandain
Based on bugs defence of pandain tempted to take pandain out but we'll see.
Koshi hit or miss kinda like what he posted but I trained him as mafia well and he's a complete non entity. On May 02 2019 19:56 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 02 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
HF do you think any of MZ, Vivax, or BC are scum? What a pointless trivial question which I've addressed already. Mz has posted shit all, could be anything. Vivax has done nothing to sway me one way or the other and didn't post anything I hated yet. BC has only made posts I've agreed with. Rayn I can't believe you fell for my posts last night. Reread them as if I'm talking about actual insects :D I will lynch bugs with you. Rayn is this scum HF being fake aggressive or town HF who thinks he's posted something but actually hasn't? I ask him about MZ, Vivax, and BC. 1. Up until this post, MZ is not at all mentioned in HF's filter. Here, HF doesn't take a stance. 2. HF did say the same thing about Vivax earlier, so sure, fine. But again, no stance. 3. "BC only made posts I've agreed with" no direct interaction besides that first weird mistake post HF had, we can come to this conclusion I suppose based on the fact that BC and HF both voted Jock but why should vote alignment matter in reading BC? So why does HF say this is a pointless question when the only thing that HF actually said was #2? 1. What has mz done since that required me to take a stance on him? Like I said, he's done shit all. Also I quite categorically do mention him in my filter. I ask him when he's going to stop fannying around not voting Jock, which now Jock has flipped town makes him look more suspicious. Regardless, I don't have enough information because he just hasn't posted enough. If anyone says they can form an opinion on him they're either lying or wrong.
2. Yup. BC, MZ, HF, at least one of you is town unless this is a bastard 4 scum setup. Come help me figure out the game while I'm still alive. As long as we're lynching me just assume I'm town. You can discard everything I say never, because I won't flip scum. HF if I'm wrong about you and these are not massive scum tells of you defending Vivax for no reason but then putting him as scum for equally no reason, please do explain yourself. Why was Vivax so special, out of the "do nothingers" that he had such a great honour of being in your kill list? If dodging means skipping over it because it should be really obvious then yes. I didn't think what vivax had done was enough to read him anything, as stated in all of those posts. I still don't know why, for the fourth time, you quote my poe post as if it's some revelation. It's poe, process of elimination. The list is simply people I don't town read that I think are most likely to be mafia because it's within their range. That is why vivax is there because his activity is either afk or his staple mafia play. That is why koshi, who I actually town read slightly day 1 is there, because koshi is perfectly capable of appearing town for short spans of time day 1. Please answer this bugs. Why do you incessantly push my poe list as something scummy? Do you understand what poe is?
IF. IT. IS. P.O.E. AND. YOU. HAVE. NEVER. READ. M.Z. AS. TOWN. WHY. IS. HIS. NAME. NOT. THERE?
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On May 04 2019 22:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 22:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 04 2019 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
So what if you did? It's not a scum claim. I literally voted Pandain because I'm the veteran and thought his 2kp thing was a slip so thus I asked the question.
What's my mafia explanation bugs and why are you trying to twist it to something when it's really quite straightforward? cool story bro, it's literally unbelievable that if you're actually the veteran it took you 30+ minutes to vote him after he talked about there being multiple KP. If you're actually the veteran you'd have just called him scum in the exact same post immediately rather than going to read the OP, asking him if he's dumbtelling, asking him if he's played in a game of this size with more than 1 kp, etc. Not really unbelievable at all? I checked op after he said it and it said nothing. I asked him to clarify since just voting him would likely reveal my role and then I asked artanis for clarification twice. Once to see if I get notified which was actually in the op that I didn't read and a second to ask about whether mafia would have an extra factional kp would it be in the op since there wasn't an extra role with kp. All those things take time. Also just because I haven't read someone doesn't mean they can't be in my poe? They're in my poe exactly because I haven't read them and my gut from interaction wasn't a town read.
keep digging yourself deeper, your explanations just keep surfacing more questions and make it clear you're just making this up on the spot. If you asked for clarification and were worried about revealing your role by just voting him why wouldn't you wait until after the question was answered to vote him?
Also, if FF and slam were voting your supposed scumread of Pandain, why the fuck would they be completely null to you?
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anyway I'm leaving for real this time. don't let HF weasel his way out of this lynch, he's desperate scum flailing at any chance to live
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