I also motion that we modify the corporate structure of the town and re-organise as a cooperative. For the town and by the town sounds like a good motto to me. It's important that we own the means or production lynching.
I read MZ as a confused old man who didn't know how to act in today's fast paced and cutthroat world of business. I know this because we shared a room in the retirement home before we escaped.
The initial exchange was a wash for me, but I don't like how hung up on it Conversion was on their return to the thread. Bad feelings.
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
No? How come he just agrees lazily without even looking up what rso was talking about and realizing that what she "pointed out" wasn't even about Tubesock who mistakenly thought he was being mentioned.
What? That's actually strictly false because I did do that. But it doesn't matter because Tubesock thought he wad being mentioned, so it doesn't matter that it wasn't even about him.
So you don't agree with rso any more?
On March 03 2019 00:19 Conversion wrote: As rayn said, his scum read on me is that I am trailing 2 of my mafia buddies in there as some sort of strategy, and when I specified the reason in the earlier quote [quote=Conversion]is your ironclad case of me being mafia the fact that I threw 6 random names as mafia?
, he nitpicked my use of the word ironclad and ran with it. So I dropped it, found him suspicious, and moved on
[b]There is to date no official scumread from MZ on you. MZ wanted to know why those names cause if you are maybe mafia then you mixed in a few buddies in there. Don't ask me how he would have analyzed an answer if you gave it to him.
Jesus fuck thank you lol. I started this yesterday just to get information. Calling someone confirmed scum off their first post in the thread is retarded. Did I find conversion's first post suspect? Yes. Did I want more information and to get him to talk more? Yes. In a way it worked but I don't understand why he keeps spinning it as me calling him scum. I'm not even voting for him rn yet you'd think I was about to drop the lynch hammer vote on him. His defensiveness is more suspicious than anything.
That would be fair enough but then 20 minutes later who should turn up on his list but conversion, the same guy he just claimed not to be scumreading.
[B]On March 03 2019 03:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Aight I'm probably still drunk but I'm caught up with the thread.
I hated that third dude who scum claimed as his thread entry, that makes him, trfel, and conversion.
I Don't like iamp's constant questions and no reads, there are also a few others who are doing that as well but iamp is the most obvious.
I'm still running for mayor so vote me and I'll lynch one of the three people who claimed scum with their first post
Gonna take a nap
Then he says he's drunk which could be true but reads as a get out clause and says he's leaving for a while.
That's definitely the strongest mafia read I've had so far.
[/QUOTE] What do you see as the difference between MZ and Conversion both bringing up that convo again?
The first posts of MZ don't call Conversion scum correctly, Conversion posts some more, MZ says he doesn't like the defensiveness, and then he ends up on the list.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
@HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
Oh I just had it as a placeholder vote by myself but I was just making a point that we shouldn't lynch Sent if we are going to use our mayor power on him anyways. Rather have someone else get lynched over the guy we going to use our mayor on.
Yeah, less the vote, more the acceptance of, "Oh well, if I have to be lynched..."
I don't agree with the Sent votes, leave that for the mayor. If Sent did end up lynched though, the mayor would have to choose a different target which still gives some (though less) information. With a higher profile player like Palmar, that could still be useful and potentially add a lot of confidence to reads on him that would either let him lead town or cause his downfall as mafia. So, it's not as good as a real lynch, but not the end of the world for D1.
With that in mind, the martyrdom sounds weird and self-defeating. There's still a lot of time to make a counter-case and push for a real lynch rather than advocate for, "Guess I'll just die then"
HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
On March 04 2019 05:50 Damdred wrote: It is mostly tonal, and for his lack of reads...sometimes he does roll around the thread and just remarks on stuff with innocence.
The rage sora points to town but hes pulled that stunt as scam before with me prodding him of course...so that's more null now I suppose.
Nobody even prodded him this time, he was just scumread by a few people and then raged
Nah what I mean was when we were zcum together I prodded him in mafia chat to make him do it to make him seem town.
But this time you didn't prod him to do it in mafia chat, he just did it on him own?
That's true, mafia chat was a little quiet so I just been watching thread for interesting things....oh draft you caught me
Muahahahaha
I just want someone to talk to me
Who's your mayor target, LS? It sounds like you're still pushing for votes.
LS isn't here to speak for themselves, but why the mayor vote for iamp instead of a normal vote for acro? Sticking to the martyrdom shtick? It sounds like there's some meta that's coming into play here, does LS rage and martyr on the regular?
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
No one else seems to give a crap about Tubesock. I'd be happier if people came out and argued I'm wrong for whatever reason, but instead Tube's being ignored by my town reads.
Will try to catch you again over lunch if possible, but otherwise won't be active until after lynch
On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
No one else seems to give a crap about Tubesock. I'd be happier if people came out and argued I'm wrong for whatever reason, but instead Tube's being ignored by my town reads.
Will try to catch you again over lunch if possible, but otherwise won't be active until after lynch
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
I've got a decent town read on HF and we're not policy lynching Sent
On March 05 2019 04:45 Vivax wrote: On another note, I'm going to vote Trfel and hope others see the light as well. Don't give a damn about lynching BH. It'd be what he wants and that's a reason not to do it.
Did you change your mind about Conversion or is trfl a stronger read?
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
How can you not understand the train unless your scum.
We have a lynch vote where people have to take a stance and justify themselves, and a mayor lynch where scum can push final responsibility away onto the mayor.
Let the mayor kill the scummy lurker, vote to lynch more established cases that actually generate information. w We have three or four of them.
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Lol. Hi pot.
Here are my scumreads rn
LS Damdred Tictock Trfel
I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
LS martyred and gave up. Damdred is lurking somewhere, but I'm trusting ppl who know him better than me to make sense of his uselessness. But he's a lurker. Ticktock didn't seem scummy except for that really bad reentry and fuck off today. But he already said he won't be back before the deadline so if your aim is to have a discussion, maybe read the thread?
So the only real "scum read" that follows your own rules is trfel. Great. I actually agree he is scummy as crap. But he actually looks like he's playing, rather than telling us to lynch him. Sure, we could vig BH. Or, being a high profile target who is martyring himself because he can't be bothered to read the thread, we could lynch him dead. And if he flips scum,
On March 05 2019 05:33 rsoultin wrote: I'm actually really down with murdering tube right now. Like I don't really like the fact that tube is conv's main (perhaps only?) sort of wishy-washy scumread but there's just absolutely nothing whatsoever there for tube but question after question after question before landing on acro for blah reasons that I've literally forgotten after just reading his filter lol ><
When did tube go for Acro? Only saw the trfl push, which was a solo thing at first but picking up more steam now
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
On March 05 2019 05:33 rsoultin wrote: I'm actually really down with murdering tube right now. Like I don't really like the fact that tube is conv's main (perhaps only?) sort of wishy-washy scumread but there's just absolutely nothing whatsoever there for tube but question after question after question before landing on acro for blah reasons that I've literally forgotten after just reading his filter lol ><
When did tube go for Acro? Only saw the trfl push, which was a solo thing at first but picking up more steam now
Nah, you're right I'm just gonna blame doing three things at once. It was trfl, not acro.
On March 05 2019 11:57 Tictock wrote: Just checking on Flip, way to much shit to read and I have zero motivation to try.
See I had decent reads on Trfel and Palmar, and was correct to not trust HF to be Mayor.
I think I may just ride out the rest of this game as much as I can and just see how good my D1 reads were. I have a long day at work again tomorrow, so Wednesday is the most likely day I will make an effort to do anything in this game.
In other news, I hate my life but I will not spend my time wallowing here.
On March 05 2019 11:57 Tictock wrote: Just checking on Flip, way to much shit to read and I have zero motivation to try.
See I had decent reads on Trfel and Palmar, and was correct to not trust HF to be Mayor.
I think I may just ride out the rest of this game as much as I can and just see how good my D1 reads were. I have a long day at work again tomorrow, so Wednesday is the most likely day I will make an effort to do anything in this game.
In other news, I hate my life but I will not spend my time wallowing here.
Are you kidding?
Why would you think I am kidding?
I work 10 hours days quite often and have been trying to have a life (and mostly failing), this game is not my top priority. In the day and a half that I have been absent this shit blew up like 100 pages, which is an easy 3+ hours of reading... and is very unlikely to be fun reading.
Skim if you have to, but it sounded like you said you're just giving up for the rest of the game, with "I think I may just ride out the rest of this game as much as I can and just see how good my D1 reads were.".
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
My read on HF has been consistent through the day once I made it. For the policy lynch I liked Palmar better than HF to stick to it at first. The interaction with Ace made me switch my mayor vote to HF off of Palmar since I figured we'd get more information from how people reacted if HF deviated from the policy vote. Once Sent showed up and posted his role I kept it on HF because of the town read (Palmar was null to me at that point) and some similarity in reads.
The scummy lurker comment was directed at BH. Up to that point he hadn't posted and just showed up to ask people to kill him. I felt it was a derail of the current lynch wagons and would be a big pile on with no useful discussion for scum hunting. Figured the mayor could take him out instead.
I was wrong about trfel, but their post about Fecalfeast looked really bad to me at that point in the day. There wasn't a wagon yet, so again, that could have been a mayor lynch. Once the wagon formed I hopped on. I agreed with the analysis and I felt Conv wasn't happening and felt bad about the interview stuff too
On March 05 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm not generally a reactive or emotive poster like some others here. It feels awkward and forced to me over text
Idk. I just react because I don’t have the time to come up with my own things that often. And usually when I do, people misunderstand what I am saying on such a basic level that it is as if I am speaking in English, but using Hangul like 티수 소 피포 스틸 노 밧 돈 은덧댄다.
Yeah, it's cool for some people and that's their style, but it's just not me. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not my style
My read on HF has been consistent through the day once I made it. For the policy lynch I liked Palmar better than HF to stick to it at first. The interaction with Ace made me switch my mayor vote to HF off of Palmar since I figured we'd get more information from how people reacted if HF deviated from the policy vote. Once Sent showed up and posted his role I kept it on HF because of the town read (Palmar was null to me at that point) and some similarity in reads.
The scummy lurker comment was directed at BH. Up to that point he hadn't posted and just showed up to ask people to kill him. I felt it was a derail of the current lynch wagons and would be a big pile on with no useful discussion for scum hunting. Figured the mayor could take him out instead.
I was wrong about trfel, but their post about Fecalfeast looked really bad to me at that point in the day. There wasn't a wagon yet, so again, that could have been a mayor lynch. Once the wagon formed I hopped on. I agreed with the analysis and I felt Conv wasn't happening and felt bad about the interview stuff too
*Shrug* Most of this means next to nothing to me since I haven't read the game fully.
All I can say is, having read your filter I don't see much that suggests you are actively trying to solve the game. You poke and prod a little at people but I find few conclusions and very few fleshed out scum reads. Seems to me like you are just floating through the game. + Show Spoiler +
Yes I realize there is some hypocrisy in me saying someone is floating through the game when I am not reading it fully myself. I am however pursuing what strikes my interest and making an effort when I am able.
Makes you very likely to be scum imo.
Ok I def spent more time here than I intended to.
Now, off I go, never to be seen again! Unless I want to be seen... in which case, if you see me before I see you... watch out! + Show Spoiler +
Idk, random quote from Red vs Blue
I definitely have harder town reads than scum reads right now which doesn't help that perception. There were lots of people Day 1 who looked scummy, so I pushed/voted the ones that I felt had some more substance to them like Conv, Tubesock, and trfels. Ended up spending more time commenting on wagons I thought weren't great, which was probably the wrong choice
On March 04 2019 07:16 rsoultin wrote: I'm not liking wave this game for reasons I can't describe other than he seems like one of those old vulture headed muppets in the peanut gallery.
me too. He's popping once in a while to say nothing. His one post that contains something serious is also pretty bad, how Conversion is town because it's an early game wagon
Lol >< I know this is ironic but you playing D1 is skeezing me out, and though I think I'm obv town I also know I look a bit like a looney toon on crack so I'm not sure why you'd be top towning me in this crowd which I presume is the reason you're voting me mayor?
But I'm gonna ignore that as a later in the game concern.
Anyone else on Wave? Like I don't really remember ever being so great at reading him or anything and I think he's kinda blah like this as town sometimes but maybe not to this extent idk ><
72 hours of D1 is a blessing for me The way you doubted yourself over rayn was super townie
Sheeesh I didn't know day 1 was 72 hours. I thought we were getting near time for shenannies. I'm walking off.
Oh.. I didnt know that.. I could have trolled even longer. I was about to get serious. Nm. Will figure out who to kill tomorrow.
What is your relationship to the world famous investigator known as C?
Ahh, so C is both Chezinu and HF wrapped up in one conflicted being then. If we purge the evil from C then can we look forward to their assistance in our investigation?
Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
On March 05 2019 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I haven't gotten so far, but whatever he did EoD i think matters almost none in case Sentinel is town.
Okay nevermind he voted Trfel over Blazinghand WITH Sentinel so that tells it all. He's mafia.
I'm not sure I'm following exactly. Sounds like you're liking him as scum because he hopped off BH for trfel. What's sent got to do with it though?
Acro backed off sent pretty early after their claim came out. He still supported Palmar, but he was pretty consistent in that and started questioning HF and his voters pretty early when others on the Palmar wagon didn't seem to care too much about HF's plan. Sounds like he felt Sent wasn't contributing too much in the latter part of the day, so he was ok with Palmar potentially following through with that lynch. Doesn't read as inconsistent to me.
His other big scum read was Oats, who was on the BH wagon
He did go back on Sent a lot more after the Palmar flip, but I get the feeling that a lot of that was sheeping Palmar's scum reads.
On March 06 2019 09:49 sicklucker wrote: whoever the vig is probably shot iamp or marv both had a little shade on them and some rambo shennagan user like ff or dandred could have easily done it. IF hf is claiming vig this makes it very easy
Why in the world would a potential vig shoot outside of HF/BH?
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
On March 04 2019 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I have absolutely no confidence that spreadsheet will last the entire time MZ is alive
It's lasted so far and you'd be curious to know that you had red reads on two of our dear departed town and were being scumread by Palmar.
On March 05 2019 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Bh i could lynch.
Last break now will be home in 2.5 hours to vote
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:52 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
Do explain?
You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you.
On March 05 2019 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Ya but for real I'd kill hf or conversion too
All of this is total garbage. You are literally just flopping from one wagon to another. You were also one of the under-the-radar HF voters I was talking about earlier. I value the wisdom of the dead very highly (especially when the dead person is Palmar) so I've definitely got a red read on FF now.
We've never played together have we? This is just how I play. I don't take notes and I am almost always baked while playing (not at work) so my reads are based on the last things I've read and often times inconsistent.
Pretty sure some people here could back that up
You don't look great to me because of the weak but persistent tunnel on Acro and a lack of anything besides that.
You spend the first half of the day pushing for Acro, but don't do anything to argue against the counter-case even though you're allegedly sure enough in your read to mayor lynch him. When that wagon dissolves you spend some time hanging out before hopping on trfel as an OMGUS.
Besides that there's lots of questions and little pokes but absolutely no follow up on any of it.
On March 04 2019 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I have absolutely no confidence that spreadsheet will last the entire time MZ is alive
It's lasted so far and you'd be curious to know that you had red reads on two of our dear departed town and were being scumread by Palmar.
On March 05 2019 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Bh i could lynch.
Last break now will be home in 2.5 hours to vote
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:52 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
Do explain?
You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you.
On March 05 2019 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Ya but for real I'd kill hf or conversion too
All of this is total garbage. You are literally just flopping from one wagon to another. You were also one of the under-the-radar HF voters I was talking about earlier. I value the wisdom of the dead very highly (especially when the dead person is Palmar) so I've definitely got a red read on FF now.
We've never played together have we? This is just how I play. I don't take notes and I am almost always baked while playing (not at work) so my reads are based on the last things I've read and often times inconsistent.
Pretty sure some people here could back that up
You don't look great to me because of the weak but persistent tunnel on Acro and a lack of anything besides that.
You spend the first half of the day pushing for Acro, but don't do anything to argue against the counter-case even though you're allegedly sure enough in your read to mayor lynch him. When that wagon dissolves you spend some time hanging out before hopping on trfel as an OMGUS.
Besides that there's lots of questions and little pokes but absolutely no follow up on any of it.
I scumread acro fairly early on, iamp posted his case a bit afterward and was asking people to follow up on it. At this point I assumed the day was 48hr not 72 and started pushing for acro's lynch because I thought with iamps help I could actually get a lynch I want day 1.
After a while it got less interesting and finding out that the day was longer amid all that didn't help so I stopped following the thread as closely. I don't think I saw the counter case but I have been wrong. I work at a site with no WIFI currently and am already at half my data cap so I kept my data off all day at work. I wasn't sure if I'd be home in time to do anything so i turned my data on while being driven to my car to hop on a wagon and change my mayor vote. I sure picked wrong!
Also I was probably going to kill HF or palmar if I miraculously got mayor and it would have been for teh lulz.
On March 04 2019 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I have absolutely no confidence that spreadsheet will last the entire time MZ is alive
It's lasted so far and you'd be curious to know that you had red reads on two of our dear departed town and were being scumread by Palmar.
On March 05 2019 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Bh i could lynch.
Last break now will be home in 2.5 hours to vote
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:52 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
Do explain?
You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you.
On March 05 2019 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Ya but for real I'd kill hf or conversion too
All of this is total garbage. You are literally just flopping from one wagon to another. You were also one of the under-the-radar HF voters I was talking about earlier. I value the wisdom of the dead very highly (especially when the dead person is Palmar) so I've definitely got a red read on FF now.
We've never played together have we? This is just how I play. I don't take notes and I am almost always baked while playing (not at work) so my reads are based on the last things I've read and often times inconsistent.
Pretty sure some people here could back that up
You don't look great to me because of the weak but persistent tunnel on Acro and a lack of anything besides that.
You spend the first half of the day pushing for Acro, but don't do anything to argue against the counter-case even though you're allegedly sure enough in your read to mayor lynch him. When that wagon dissolves you spend some time hanging out before hopping on trfel as an OMGUS.
Besides that there's lots of questions and little pokes but absolutely no follow up on any of it.
Sheeiiiiit wiggles. Palmar's last few posts must have motivated you to get in here and get busing lmao.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
Wiggles I can't believe the scumteam decided they need to start busing each other after a largely successful D1 and N1
and realize that you're probably right. Why would the scumteam bus right now with nothing really going on?
Stop talking scum buddy, you're giving it away!
lol
MZ's so tunnelled on me he's not thinking straight
Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
On March 04 2019 10:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I have absolutely no confidence that spreadsheet will last the entire time MZ is alive
It's lasted so far and you'd be curious to know that you had red reads on two of our dear departed town and were being scumread by Palmar.
On March 05 2019 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Bh i could lynch.
Last break now will be home in 2.5 hours to vote
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
On March 05 2019 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:52 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I would also love to omgus vote trfel as I feel I've been pretty towny this game
Do explain?
You voted me, I have been towny this game. Without reading the pages since you voted me it makes me totally ok to vote you.
On March 05 2019 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Ya but for real I'd kill hf or conversion too
All of this is total garbage. You are literally just flopping from one wagon to another. You were also one of the under-the-radar HF voters I was talking about earlier. I value the wisdom of the dead very highly (especially when the dead person is Palmar) so I've definitely got a red read on FF now.
We've never played together have we? This is just how I play. I don't take notes and I am almost always baked while playing (not at work) so my reads are based on the last things I've read and often times inconsistent.
Pretty sure some people here could back that up
You don't look great to me because of the weak but persistent tunnel on Acro and a lack of anything besides that.
You spend the first half of the day pushing for Acro, but don't do anything to argue against the counter-case even though you're allegedly sure enough in your read to mayor lynch him. When that wagon dissolves you spend some time hanging out before hopping on trfel as an OMGUS.
Besides that there's lots of questions and little pokes but absolutely no follow up on any of it.
Sheeiiiiit wiggles. Palmar's last few posts must have motivated you to get in here and get busing lmao.
Maybe you should read your prior post
On March 06 2019 10:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks:
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
Wiggles I can't believe the scumteam decided they need to start busing each other after a largely successful D1 and N1
and realize that you're probably right. Why would the scumteam bus right now with nothing really going on?
Stop talking scum buddy, you're giving it away!
lol
MZ's so tunnelled on me he's not thinking straight
My filter mentions you exactly twice Wiggles, guilty much?
If you think I'm mafia and say I'm bussing right now, that means you must agree with my analysis. Thank you for your vote of confidence in these cases.
On March 06 2019 10:51 Onegu wrote: ##Vote: Rsoultin
Don't be silly. Is your case really just "OMGUS!"?
Fuck it is. Go read her reason for scum reading me. ITs I am too invested in this game.
I have already wrote this I dont have omgus with people. I dont care if they scum read me. People will becasue I am Onegod. I look at the reason. Is it forced or not. I am always lynchbait. But I almost always figure the game out and I never get credit for it because I never get people lynched.
Its a strategy that will work one day!
The original case from rsoul looks like some recursive meta mind read that I don't understand. There's been a bunch of those in this thread, and I've mostly been ignoring them.
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game. Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 04 2019 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: It's never too late for another wagon!
On March 04 2019 13:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Vote: Tubesock
Try a little harder?
Most activity happens when I'm asleep or at work. No one else liked the wagon that day, so I hopped off.
There's more pressing stuff going on today than you. Just remember I haven't forgotten you're here
Acro's town even though I disagree with him about a ton of crap. His motivations and reactions seem pretty genuine. I don't like that part of the Rayn case is that he's being active in the thread, so we better kill him before he drowns out the voices of town. Acro's being scum read by a bunch of people and hasn't been able to push too much, influence-wise. With that in mind, I really don't see what Rayn's saying happening. Sounds like fear-mongering.
Vivax reads pretty solidly town to me Rsoultin reads town
I've been reading HF as town for most of the game, so I'm hesitant to kill him. The strongest argument seems to be that without this lynch the game can't move forward for a bunch of people. I'll have to re-read and find the people saying this tonight to see if I can tell what their motivation really is. Sounds like an easy scum thing to say, "Well, guess I'll stop playing until this guy's dead!". I'll be looking for that in the posts up until now.
I don't get how Ace is a higher target for a counter-wagon based on how inactive he's been. It seems like we've got some bigger fish to fry today, and given his complete lack of influence I don't think he's a huge threat to town. Maybe he'll come in today and incriminate himself, but I'm willing to hold off.
From the more active people I'd have to peg rayn as being most likely to be scum. That's a gut read based on my thread read, I'll try to dig through him later. I don't agree with his Acro push, as stated above.
You know my thoughts on some other people:
BC Tubesock
Leaning red on FF, but not a high-priority right now.
Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote: for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
how is it locked in ?
that makes no sense you could have changed
I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.
Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.
Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote: The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.
If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.
Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.
HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?
On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic
This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.
Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?
Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.
She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.
1) She makes posts like this
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.
On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC?
This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.
Now the next things for me are this.
Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.
Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.
You want to lynch someone you think is town...,.......................... .
Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.
I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.
You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.
l2r
That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..
This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.
Nobody should believe this part unless the hosts post something in the thread. And holyflare has shown no interest in actually prodding them to do that so I can only assume it’s a lie
Can we leave the out-of-game host interactions and meta out of this? I think it's fine to comment on HF back-pedalling a bit on the commitment to the Palmar lynch after the flip, but I'd rather not see modkills for out of game stuff if we can help it.
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On March 07 2019 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: I think this should be a goal for the day. I want people to commit to something. NOW.
Hey Wiggles, you're here, where's your vote going, buddeh?
Let's kill BH. I'd rather see that flip than kill HF right now. He doesn't give good vibes with how he's playing.
I'm OK sheeping this:
On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote: Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum
On March 05 2019 05:12 iamperfection wrote: Kill bh he is full of crap he is scum
On March 05 2019 06:13 iamperfection wrote: My phone is gonna die vote bh
Little bit of why bh doesn’t give you good vibes please wiggles?
Well dear caller, our read on BH is coloured most by the flip-flopping about actually playing in this game. Will he or won't he? He comes in, says, "Kill me! Lynch me! Vig me and spit on my grave!". Then the next day he comes back and says, "I'm not dead yet. Maybe I'll start playing the game! Here's the start of some analysis.". Then he decides to give up and goes back to asking for the sweet release of death. This is when the vicious cycle begins once again.
Fundamentally, this is anti-town, and I have been reading it as scum. Reading through the thread, the posts in the last few hours look to have improved at least, but that also happened during N1 for a while before BH went back to martyring. If the wagon on HF goes through and he flips town like I'm thinking, I give it a good chance BH goes back to asking to die. Assuming there's no vig shots available we'll have the BH issue distracting from D3 as well.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him?
Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1.
I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this.
When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy.
For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment.
On March 07 2019 01:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I've been reading HF as town for most of the game, so I'm hesitant to kill him. The strongest argument seems to be that without this lynch the game can't move forward for a bunch of people. I'll have to re-read and find the people saying this tonight to see if I can tell what their motivation really is. Sounds like an easy scum thing to say, "Well, guess I'll stop playing until this guy's dead!". I'll be looking for that in the posts up until now.
Got a chance to look back at a few of the people who were super gung ho about lynching HF coming into N1.
One person who really sticks out is LightningStrike. Filter's not too long to take a scroll through:
On March 05 2019 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways Koahi is clear town so I happy about that.
On March 05 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: DMA says Mocsta is town.
On March 05 2019 11:22 LightningStrike wrote: I am home now was phone posting before. WoS you got sword on Tina.
On March 05 2019 11:46 LightningStrike wrote: Incase people for wondering WoS is a strong townread for me for the fact he actually did care about me when I did have a bigger meltdown and we seeing eye to eye on some things. As scum I would think he would try to tilt me even more but he tried to lend a ear but I was to pissed off when he made that post.
Starting partway through N1, and heading into D2 LS' filter turns completely into either speculation about the NKs, repeating that we should do the HF lynch, or very soft questions to a couple of people with no response posting. No more information is forthcoming from LS, and there looks to be essentially zero additional scum hunting from them.
To me this looks pretty bad and like they're just coasting through D2 without needing to do anything. From a town perspective this is bad, because it's wasting time that could be used to be doing something useful like developing cases or probing other players. From a scum perspective, there's not too much to do besides twiddle your thumbs and wait for the HF lynch to move forward. The lack of anything productive today despite being present in the thread looks a lot more like the latter to me, considering the contrast to the first part of N1.
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We'll be opening up the lines to callers right away and responding to your mail, but first we need to address recent events in Liquidia. We have recently been notified that long-wanted criminal and local madman Blazinghand has finally been brought to justice and met his ends on the gallows. Unfortunately, despite previous signs pointing to the contrary his blood flowed as green as a fresh mowed lawn. This is a loss to the town, but we must persevere and push forward against our common enemy. With each passing day the shadows grow shorter and soon there will be nowhere left to hide. Town's comin' for you, scum.
With that said, we hope you enjoy the rest of tonight's program.
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter.
Despite the threat of violence against yours truly, we appreciate the sentiment. We here at the Dead Zone Show have done our best to buck the recent trend towards rudeness and vulgarity exhibited by so many of our peers. At the end of the day, mafia is a game, so why work ourselves up to the point we're no longer having fun? The distance of years has imparted at least some wisdom to this old fool.
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Gonna do a little work on this tonight and maybe some light filter diving. I won't be lynching HF tomorrow so I have to figure out which of the garbage is worth taking out first.
Off the bat NKs are probably Rels and Vivax, and if scum does have that third KP, maybe rayn?
Vivax is a town read for us here at the DZS, so we implore any medically minded individuals amongst our listeners to find it in their hearts to consider them for a night-time check up.
We also get the feeling that Rayn may be of a more crimson persuasion than our caller believes. As such, he should be safe from unwanted midnight visitors.
The interesting one here is Rels. Now we don't want to dig in too much to what might be happening in that QT, but taking he and rsoultin at face value, it sounds like there's a distinct lack of communication there. Contrary to some opinions, we do not see being a mason as alignment indicative. On the contrary, Rels' lack of presence and seeming scum-hunting places him firmly in a pile of low-post-frequency undesirables who will need to be sorted through carefully.
Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted.
But by all means Ace, school me.
Are you sure no one else had a chance of getting lynched? Less than four hours before the lynch, this was the standing:
On March 05 2019 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: Day One VoteCount
Not Voting (7): LightningStrike, Blazinghand, ExO_, rsoultin, darthfoley, Koshi, Ace
At this point I'd say the field was wide open, and the eventual lynch was fourth in the standings. It could be useful for someone who has the constitution to wade through those four hours of crap and piece together what went down again.
I believe this was after BH started martyring (given the votes on him) but before his wagon went full steam ahead. The Acro and Conversion wagons dissolved and we coalesced into BH and trfel. If Acro's town like I believe, then none of the four leading wagons were hitting scum. =/
On March 08 2019 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Man you know what sucks the most about all this? I don't think we learn dick all about anything from this lynch.
Wow. Fucking brilliant.
Well I'd love to hear your insight at any time. From my point of view, both wagons are town and nobody else had a hope of getting lynched all day, so people were free to pile on if and when they wanted.
But by all means Ace, school me.
Are you sure no one else had a chance of getting lynched? Less than four hours before the lynch, this was the standing:
On March 05 2019 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: Day One VoteCount
Not Voting (7): LightningStrike, Blazinghand, ExO_, rsoultin, darthfoley, Koshi, Ace
At this point I'd say the field was wide open, and the eventual lynch was fourth in the standings. It could be useful for someone who has the constitution to wade through those four hours of crap and piece together what went down again.
I believe this was after BH started martyring (given the votes on him) but before his wagon went full steam ahead. The Acro and Conversion wagons dissolved and we coalesced into BH and trfel. If Acro's town like I believe, then none of the four leading wagons were hitting scum. =/
I'm talking about today.
My bad. Looking back, the Ace wagon had less people on it than I thought it did. I think there were a bunch of people in thread saying they'd go for it, but never committed with a vote. I read HF and Ace as more likely to be town, so that probably doesn't help if the early HF counter-wagon was also on to a town target.
Ace wagon has Mocsta, Jock, Tube, and a late entry by Tumblewood as the official voters. I feel ok about Mocsta, people should know how I read Tube, and Jock and Tumblewood are in my pile of guys I either haven't read super closely or lean slight scum like FF, Rels, Onegu, Exo...
On March 07 2019 22:41 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up I see Wiggles is now scumreading me but I not going OMGUS him since I know he hasn't played with me before. I got some comments. ...
Wanted to get back to this. Mind explaining what this is supposed to mean? I called you out for what looked like you stopping to scum-hunt and sitting happily on the HF lynch. You changed stuff up after that post was made, but was this response supposed to be some kind of meta thing I should know?
Hey Ace, you asked me about BC but then never followed up. I'm curious about your own thoughts towards him. How are you reading BC? I'm still convinced he's scum.
On March 07 2019 13:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We're opening up the lines, and we've already got our first caller!
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him?
Hmm, could BC + HF be a possible scum team? I guess it's possible. I've had a town read on HF, but if that's wrong and he were to flip red, I don't think that clears BC. A bus of HF today would be pretty easy to support for scum, considering all the people lusting after his blood coming out of N1.
I find BC to be a relative non-entity in this game who comes in long enough to throw around some accusations and act holier-than-thou before going to ground again. I think the exchange with Jock is a decent example of this.
When Jock comes in with a weird post about HF, BC jumps on it but ends up mostly just berating Jock. BC's points don't do much to advance the case on HF itself but do allow him to blow up on what Jock is attributing as motivation to HF. Before BC came in there's been other people town reading HF, but BC doesn't try to address any of those points, instead he just hops on Jock's bad point because it's easy.
For example, I'd contrast his play with yours right now. You're coming back into the thread after some time away, but you're adding comments about stuff you've read along the way. This is helpful and advances the thread. BC on the other hand comes in, plops down a post and then interacts with a couple people present in the thread (usually in a confrontational/negative way) before leaving again. It's obvious he's read the thread because he's putting forward a couple cases, but out of everything else that happens he seems to have basically no comment.
It's the same old song and dance from BC today as well. We have him come in and rage about the decision to out the mason:
On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_-
How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read?
IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read.
On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
Jesus fuck.
Again, this is a really easy thing to pick on as scum because it's just yelling about mechanics and 'standard play'. A bunch of stuff people seem to do now looks weird compared to how we did things in the days of yore, but it's easy even for an old dog like me to see that it's simply a different kind of meta. For BC to react like this says that he either doesn't understand that, which I doubt, or that he's simply fishing for something to comment about without needing to fake scum hunting.
The other posts he makes are just more useless arguing with HF. Browbeating HF does little to advance town, even if you're convinced he's scum. It would be way more productive to either push reasons to not lynch BH or try to dismantle the defence/rationale that other posters have put forward to not lynch HF. Instead he rolls around in the mud with HF for a while before popping out of the thread. Same old stuff he's been doing for the last couple cycles.
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EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Looks like Chez and Onegu also stayed off the mayor wagons.
On March 09 2019 11:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Going to watch a movie. I've got to re-evaluate my reads after, but I'll be around to talk for a while.
I lied.
Hitting up a bar now with some friends. You guys will get either the drunk or morning edition of the Dead Zone Show depending on your luck. Remember to send in those letters!
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Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness.
So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not.
On March 09 2019 17:01 Ace wrote: My reason for Wiggles was the little chat we had about BC. It was like he believed BC was scum and then disappeared. Difficult to tell because he could have legit been afk.
You're right. I did believe BC was scum, and then I went to bed for the night and to work in the morning. I have basically two periods of time I can post during the weekday. One is in the mornin if I'm able to ctch up to the thread in time to be able to do anything before work since I' don't like posting without knowing what;s actually going on. The other is in my evening time where apprently no one else is around, and that's when we run the Dead Zone Show. We ask our faithful listenrs to write in, but not many people do and a lot of the ones who take time to pen us a message are usually asking for us to go die in a fire, for whatever reason.
The other part of that is I posted why I think BC is scum, you asked me some thing about that case, to which I answered, and then you never ended up following up on that. I asked you about it last night cycle and continued the same case based on his bs D3 posting, and then you answered some crap about how we weren't going to lynch BC even though he was scummy scum scum.
I don't get how you're saying I'm scum now because I didn't push BC or something when I definitely was. Of course I wasn't going to pursue that lynch on D2 when we had the HF/BH conundrm to solve. I though HF was town (surprise, he was!) and thought BH's play was scummy. I'm not going to try to start some other hopeless wagon in that case, especially because my availabilty stops me from being around to spam posts about killing a guy all day
mostly it just scuks that a bunch of my town reads are dead now. I was trying to use them as a general guide to see if we agreed or not on scum to inform my own reads
I've basically got Acro, Vivax and Ace as town now, and 2/3 at least of those want to see me hang.
On March 09 2019 19:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote: vivax, in the space of two posts you went from Ace is 3p (not mafia) to ace is mafia. what are you doing?
I do not understand
A wrong assumption from believing mocstas claim that he saw him N1 on BC. Then I remembered TW claimed the shot on him. Idk maybe ace even is 3p, but in that case he has to die either way.
Can you explain your thing about Ace to me? I don't realyl see it in your filter, it looks like it came out starting in this cycle? I don't believe he's a correct lynch for today. Are you following mocsta's case or some other thing?
I forgot I like mocsta yesterday too. How are we at 24 people, it feels like there's basically 8 of us playing the game
On March 09 2019 20:14 LightningStrike wrote: Dear faithful host: The game is hard and we trying our best but the game is a mess. Do have some faith in us as we try to solve the game. Sincerely: LS
Thank you dear listener. We appreciate your kind feedback. This is despite that we don't know what to make of you because of the weird meta reasons. At least you're not the scummiest.
Well I was going to say about the Chez lynch that I'm not sure how to feel since Chez seems to be completely gone. Felt weird to try to lynch someone who's not even playing. But then what do I spy but this:
On March 10 2019 09:57 Chezinu wrote: ##Vote sicklucker
What's happening my brooding brown brother? I think it's time to confess about that evil living inside of you.
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On March 11 2019 03:53 LightningStrike wrote: So why is Wiggle keeping his vote on Tube when we got 2 close wagons atm?
Your host's vote on Tubesock was made because we want to lynch scum. The fact that TS has gone AFK is starting to put us off a bit like with Chezinu yesterday, but we believe our previous read is solid. Here is our collection of past Dead Zone Show clips where we talk about Tubesock:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
On March 09 2019 19:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness.
So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not.
Voting this guy to die
If we're looking to kill scummy lurkers, I think TS should be the #1 choice. I implore my listeners to follow my lead and vote to kill this guy. If not, they can at least argue why I'm wrong.
We have also take some time to analyse the recent motion put forward by Liquidia Town Council to execute a warrant for Ace's arrest and subsequent execution. Based on Ace's behaviour, we do not find him particularly likely to be scum. Ace's posts show that he is indeed analysing the game with the goal of solving it. This host feels that Ace is taking a lot of flak for the culture clash he induces by playing within the new Liquidia meta.
Ace plays some stuff according to a different style but then is using this to inform his reads. A perfect example of this is BC, where BC plays according to what Ace considers good town play, and so becomes a town read. The problem with this is that most of the rest of the thread spurns this type of play and so it probably throws off Ace's reads and then that portion of the town thinks he's scum because it doesn't jive with their own notions of what constitutes town play. I was around for the sort of transitional period where the game here changed from the old 2010 style to the newer more conversational/emotional/meta heavy style. As such, I can see where both sides of the players are coming from, and can also see that it's causing scum reads because of clashes in expected play.
We have also thought some more about local insane asylum escapee, Chezinu. Having graduated from proselytising on the street to making death threats against esteemed members of the town, he offers an interesting conundrum to solve. We're beginning to think he's more likely to be scum due to his reaction to the pressure placed upon him. Rather than picking up and starting to solve the game as he said he would, he instead placed his efforts into vague threats and claims at wielding a higher power. We can see where this was said earlier:
On March 05 2019 16:47 Chezinu wrote: rayn!!!!! YOU ARE SUPPOSE BE LIKE CHEZ IS MAFIA!!! Then force me to scumhunt!!!! Then I start making my list and we gets the mafia!!!! Whys you no answer me questions!!?
Only on D2 or after, sorry bro.
You know... have a 3 day Day 1 has really thrown off my trolling schedule. I'm use to starting to play serious at this time before getting lynch. This is when the mafia usually push for me for not making sense. Town usually gets frustrated with me a little bit too. I then start playing and proving my townieness. But it's only night 1 now instead of day 2. It's like subconsciously I've learned the boundaries of trolling this game in this forum.... It all makes sense now! Rayn! You are a genius!
I haven't seen too much of Chezinu proving their townie-ness, but have seen vague threats, weird soft claims, and some higher order meta thrown out. When we publicly questioned Chezinu on the show, it was only a short time before a letter containing a bomb threat was mailed in. Along with the letter was the following cassette tape. We must warn you, this tape contains disturbing content which may upset some of you fine citizens:
On March 11 2019 05:15 Pandain wrote: @rels what do you think about my point about ace wanting hf vigi'd.
I think he would have been very happy if a vig shot was wasted on HF instead of hitting a lynchbait like Damdred or another scum like BC. Him calling for a vig doesn't change my points about him
HF seemed like much stronger lynch bait than someone like Damdred. Going into D2 HF was public enemy number one for a lot of people. N2, scum killed a couple of the people defending HF who had stronger town reads on them. For scum that could have been a setup to try to push the HF lynch again on D3. I don't think it would have been hard for them to push the WIFOM perspective to the people who started to call HF town because of the flips. Pandain came in with their shot before anyone did that though.
If Pandain hadn't shot HF, this would have probably turned into another HF vs counter-lynch day. Given this, it sounded like Ace was off the lynch HF train into D3 (though based on the theoretical existence of a cop?), so I think that gives him some more town cred. I would have expected a scum Ace to continue the HF tunnel and argue the WIFOM thing. Scum Ace doesn't come in and say he thinks HF got checked town by a cop before going back to continue a HF tunnel.
Overall, I think scum were trying to set up another lynch HF day and Pandain screwed it up. Ace had come off the lynch HF wagon before the shot, so that looks good for him.
We'll be taking the Dead Zone Show off the air temporarily while we move to a new secure location. We'll be back before the lynch and our intern is still taking calls, so send in those questions.
The hosts of the Dead Zone Show endorse the campaign to leave Ace alone. They urge you to read TS and make up your own mind. Ideally you come to your senses and we can get a wagon off the ground.
On March 10 2019 05:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro, are you able to share the details of your role?
Is it based on a list of lurkers that you're just given, or were you told the criteria for inclusion on the list?
Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead.
I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p
I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way.
Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims.
Our brave Dead Zone Show intern took this call a few minutes ago:
On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote: Deadzone wiggles.
I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible.
Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago.
Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro?
Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes.
Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets.
On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: We don’t lynch the claims because it makes 0 sense for the claims to actually claim
On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Like fake claim sorry
On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy
We agree with this sentiment. If Acro was fake-claiming and had some other kind of vig/KP role, there's basically no reason to come out with that explanation. Further, if the role was a lie as town or scum, there were several better targets for a KP on N2.
As scum, he doesn't necessarily have to claim the KP, and could have kept it a secret. On the other hand, killing Damdred doesn't exactly scream scum motivation, especially if the role claim is truthful. That's why the claim comes out as a wash for your host, and we prefer to base our read on Acro based on his past behaviour. We agree lynching into him would be silly.
We hope that sometimes listener Ace will come to his senses about this matter.
We'll be signing off of the Dead Zone Show for tonight. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it on air during the next show. Our intern will be collecting the mail and will be sure to deliver it to our secure location in a timely manner.
Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's a pleasure to be with you here tonight, whether the only thing keeping you up is that cup of black coffee or the black pit of your mafioso despair.
We'll be opening up some fan mail live on the air before getting to our callers on the line.
In some happy news for the producers of the Dead Zone Show, the following letter was received by our brave intern:
On March 11 2019 15:20 Chezinu wrote: Deadzone wiggles,
Your art of words have spoken to me. You words gave me second thought to attaching an explosive message along with this letter. I know you cherish the letters delivered to you. I am sure they will be secured in your heart. I shall give you a C and I will look into the R as someone had suggested.
Sweet dreams, Chezinu Isunizehc
It appears that the bomb threat situation has been resolved peacefully, with Chezinu being swayed by the wise words of your faithful host. While we will be sure to exercise due diligence in carefully inspecting any packages received in the future, we are glad to say that we have moved back into our previous broadcasting studio. Feels like home!
Before his untimely demise, Ace took the time to write in:
On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote: Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts:
1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now?
Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game.
Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive:
Onegu
On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote: Aright LS..
##Vote: Rsoultin
obvious mafia what are you doing
On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote: Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green!
you need to die too
On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax
On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote: Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded" to '"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar"
Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh.
It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game
Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all.
However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing.
On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote: I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But
On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun!
This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there.
Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words".
He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading
On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.
If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.
He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.
Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.
How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.
Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia?
When did you get so bad at this game?
Trying to bait me?
Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in).
So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help.
I don't trust you
And of course, iamp's only vote
On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote: ##mayor: iamperfection ##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum.
1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now.
2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility.
3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip.
It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
For Ace's point 1), your host is not sure exactly what to make of the game balance given the claimed roles. We had 3 claimed vigis, one confirmed now on flip, and another having shot publicly in thread. Acro has no counter claim, so we might as well consider his KP confirmed if not his role as well. FF has claimed hatter and Chezinu has claimed Chezinu, so we can maybe go ahead and add another 1.5 KP.
That gives us a total of 4.5 KP floating around, what looks like 3 KP per night for mafia, and a couple KP negations in the medic and vet.
We can guesstimate at the number of scum and come out with a number like 5-8 or so, and include traitor as about half a scum.
If that number of scum's on the higher side, then we can maybe guess that the claimed KP is town aligned. This would help town get through scum and that one of the vigis is delayed seems to suggest that hosts wanted town to be thoughtful about where their KP is going and not just blow everything N1.
If that number's on the lower side, then we can guess that mafia probably has their own power roles to make up for it somehow, or that perhaps some of the KP isn't town aligned.
Overall, we've only seen one scum flip and a traitor get lynched, so we can't really give a lower bound on the number of mafia. It's also possible that we could still have some other power roles kicking around that haven't felt a need to claim and are instead silently protecting and guiding the town. Depending on how things shake out, it could be worth looking into the claimed but unconfirmed alignment roles later on in the game. I don't personally feel the need to jump on that right now though.
As for Ace's point 2), we think that the rest of his case against Acro is very heavily based on post-flip analysis of votes and kills. It seems to rest on the assumption that scum are targeting town based on who the townie in question was pushing. Based on our own analysis of the kills here at the Dead Zone Show, it seems like a lot of the kills have been aimed at active town players who were publicly demonstrating their townieness.
Anyone who starts to look too green and gets consensus behind them seems to be cut down pretty much immediately by scum. We think this theory explains some of the weirder kills. It looks like scum's trying to stop a town circle from forming. This suggests that they've probably got a disproportionate number of members at the outskirts of the game, or in the people who have been trying but failing to join the town circle.
We've had one full scum death, and from what your host remembers of the thread it wasn't really the case that anyone pushing BC always ended up with a bullet in them. This seems to support our argument that scum aren't necessarily going after people based only on reads.
Looking back at the kills, they seem to fit this model, with the only real outliers being Rayn and TT. TT was looking townie to us here at the show, but there wasn't necessarily a strong sentiment of this expressed in the thread.
Given the above, we think that basing a case on Acro with the kind of flip associations Ace was making is a bust. If the case isn't based mostly on in thread behaviour, it's probably not solid.
On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote: I think Tubesock is highly suspicious just for the fact that nobody, and I mean literally nobody IIRC, has brought him up for lynch.
The above sentiment saddens those of us here at the Dead Zone Show. Even though we've decided to devote our lives to late night radio, we still like to think of ourselves as people worthy of consideration.
Radio hosts are people too!
With that being said, here's what your host had to say about Tubesock on D3:
On March 11 2019 05:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LightningStrike writes in:
On March 11 2019 03:53 LightningStrike wrote: So why is Wiggle keeping his vote on Tube when we got 2 close wagons atm?
Your host's vote on Tubesock was made because we want to lynch scum. The fact that TS has gone AFK is starting to put us off a bit like with Chezinu yesterday, but we believe our previous read is solid. Here is our collection of past Dead Zone Show clips where we talk about Tubesock:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
On March 09 2019 19:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness.
So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not.
Voting this guy to die
If we're looking to kill scummy lurkers, I think TS should be the #1 choice. I implore my listeners to follow my lead and vote to kill this guy. If not, they can at least argue why I'm wrong.
snip...
Altogether, this is enough that I'll vote for Chezinu closer to the deadline if I need to save Ace, but I'd rather we kill Tubesock.
We are gladdened to see others catching on to the case against Tubesock, even though it appears to be happening subconsciously as opposed to being based on your host's persuasive arguments. We'll be placing out vote there for now, in the hope of flushing him out from wherever he's hiding before bringing him to justice.
If it looks like Tubesock has flown the coop, so to speak, we will be voting for another promising scum candidate closer to the deadline.
Disgruntled ex-employee Meapak_Ziphh called in with this to say:
On March 12 2019 11:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Pandain not dead after his shot is scummy as fuck to me. Same with Acro. Why was Ace killed ahead of them? There was also plenty of people willing to kill him today. I feel like he was right about something the rest of the thread hadn't bought into so i gotta reread his filter.
Our own explanation for this from those of us here at the show is that the only claimed vigilante who had a full-on alignment confirmation was TW, since they took out the dastardly BC in a magnificent display of brutal street justice.
People have (rightfully) been considering that either of Pandain or Acrofales could be scum, regardless of their role. Ace was also pushing that one of the vigis could be scum, and was using it in part to push Acrofales as a lynch. By killing Ace and leaving the two non-town-confirmed vigis alive, maybe scum are pushing to try to lynch into them? It seems a lot like bait to try to get an Acrofales lynch going.
Your faithful host has reviewed the case on DF and we agree that he doesn't look good. If desired for questioning, we suspect that he'll be found at the local trout pond, as he seems to be quite fond of fishing for answers.
Beyond that, he seems to float where the wind takes him, without providing any substance of his own.
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
The bolded is likely true.
We here at the Dead Zone Show would like to reach out to LightningStrike and Oatsmaster for comment. Could you please expand on this point for our fine citizens listening at home?
We believe the question of whether scum knew about Sentinel's treacherous qualities is relevant to the case of the mysterious drifter known as Onegu.
After the Sentinel lynch Onegu was quick to come in and passionately throw around the idea that scum had no idea who Sentinel was. We don't know how they could be so sure of that fact. Wouldn't only scum know for certain?
As scum that could be a misdirection play to keep town from focusing more on the other D3 wagons.
Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's a pleasure to be with you here tonight, whether you're driving a dark lonely road all by yourself or racing down the bright city strip in a van packed full of your scum buddies.
We'll be responding to your fan mail here on the air before opening up the line to our dedicated callers. We hope you enjoy the program.
We arranged a secret meeting earlier with the Brazen Brown Bomber to allow them to give their side of story regarding the recent explosives scares in Liquidia. Here's what they had to say:
On March 12 2019 14:01 Chezinu wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles.
If you are mafia and are roleplaying cause you know it make me want to never lymch you... its working... and then you vote not me... making want to save .myself more...
We accept the high praise given to our show here, and wish to express that we continue our work on the Dead Zone Show purely for the enjoyment of ourselves and others here in Liquidia. These are dark times, perhaps the end of times, and we are grateful for any smile or laugh we can bring to our listeners.
At this point, we doubt that Chezinu had any bombs to begin with, and think instead that his threats were meant to lash out at a cold uncaring town that was willing to lynch some of its most vulnerable citizens living out on the streets.
We at the show were happy to get Chezinu back on his feet, given his desire to save himself, but when we visited for a checkup earlier today, he was nowhere to be found. We hope that he has not fallen back into his old evil ways. We can only do so much to help him, and at a certain point it is up to himself to demonstrate his townieness to his accusers, or else finally face the noose.
Given the ongoing Brown Bomber case, we at the Dead Zone Show have assembled a crack investigative team to look into some of the allegations surrounding Chezinu. After hours of research, interviews, and fact-checking, we have managed to put together the following piece of evidence which is sure to blow the case wide open once again:
On March 12 2019 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 4
I would include some flavor text here, but it got delayed.
Tumblewood the Town Delayed Vigilante has died. (Cannot shoot on first night. Single bullet.) Tictock the Vanilla Townie has died. Ace the Vanilla Townie has died.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record
For the less astute amongst you, we direct your attention towards the dates and times highlighted above in red. As we can clearly see, local demolitions expert Fecalfeast made his post regarding the placement of explosives under Chezinu's cardboard box over an hour after the daily news had been delivered. Therefore, the timeline positing that scum were able to see where Fecalfeast had decided to lay his bombs before deciding whether to shoot him is incorrect.
Overall, we are saddened by yet another lynch partially driven by incorrect facts. We recall when people were pushing for Chezinu's death last cycle based on the claim that a 'Lurker Vigilante' would need to have at least one scum in their list despite Acrofales having given a clear description of how the targets had been chosen. The fact that dearly departed Ace had latched on to that piece of misinformation shows that even the best amongst us can fall victim to not reading the danged thread.
Faithful listener LS calls in with the following question:
On March 13 2019 11:15 LightningStrike wrote: Dear faithful host: What you think of Moscta's KP stuff from this page? Sincerely, LS
Your host is not sure exactly how we're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets that were provided by local accountant turned crime fighter, Mocsta. For the original analysis, we at the show will assume the simplest solution until evidence to the contrary surfaces:
Mafia have had what looks like 3 KP the last three cycles
Either the traitor didn't count for KP or the loss of one traitor + one mafioso wasn't enough to reduce KP (former seems more likely than latter)
The veteran was role-blocked on N1. It's possible another KP was involved, but there's no evidence of this (no claim, no unclaimed KP role flips) and we do have evidence that a RB existed (BC flip)
Given Mocsta's post (included for reference), this would be Option 2, Option 1, Option 1 for the nights.
On March 13 2019 11:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Given the ongoing Brown Bomber case, we at the Dead Zone Show have assembled a crack investigative team to look into some of the allegations surrounding Chezinu. After hours of research, interviews, and fact-checking, we have managed to put together the following piece of evidence which is sure to blow the case wide open once again:
On March 12 2019 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 4
I would include some flavor text here, but it got delayed.
Tumblewood the Town Delayed Vigilante has died. (Cannot shoot on first night. Single bullet.) Tictock the Vanilla Townie has died. Ace the Vanilla Townie has died.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record
For the less astute amongst you, we direct your attention towards the dates and times highlighted above in red. As we can clearly see, local demolitions expert Fecalfeast made his post regarding the placement of explosives under Chezinu's cardboard box over an hour after the daily news had been delivered. Therefore, the timeline positing that scum were able to see where Fecalfeast had decided to lay his bombs before deciding whether to shoot him is incorrect.
Overall, we are saddened by yet another lynch partially driven by incorrect facts. We recall when people were pushing for Chezinu's death last cycle based on the claim that a 'Lurker Vigilante' would need to have at least one scum in their list despite Acrofales having given a clear description of how the targets had been chosen. The fact that dearly departed Ace had latched on to that piece of misinformation shows that even the best amongst us can fall victim to not reading the danged thread.
Nobody thought or thinks I claimed before the night post but if I'm counterclaiming someone who do you think im putting my bomb on?
We would like to point out at least one person who explicitly thought that FF's target came out before the Day post:
On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote: Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead
Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities:
1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them.
I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful.
But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement?
No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town.
I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive.
In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct.
Given that information about Acro's role had to be repeated several times in thread by multiple people before it was no longer being used to push a Chezinu lynch, we do not consider attention to detail a strong suit of the members of our town, and there are likely more people who have made the same mistake.
As for the counter-claim angle, your host was under the impression that you would have put the bomb on your strongest scum read, especially given that the Chezinu claim seemed more likely to be trolling than a serious one. You said this yourself before the day post:
On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off.
Wtf role si this?
On February 09 2010 16:02 Incognito wrote: Mad Hatter You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while the you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!!
We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives!
For the record this is not like my role at all and I'm pretty sire chez is trolling at this point
Meanwhile, you had provided the following reads:
On March 09 2019 18:08 Fecalfeast wrote: acro is scum, ace is scum, LS is scum
On March 11 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote: I guarantee if I was scum shooting HF would be the last thing I do. That man was literally lynch bait on fire.
no scum wanted him dead . your definitely suspect. nk's made him town if you thought about ti logically like many of us did. If you had read the thread you would have realized everyone who was scum reading him including me suddenly town read him. but you decided to shoot him very scummy. very anti town.
I decided not to kill you tho and I honestly cant remember why. Oh ya day vig for mafia is less likely then town day vig. your safe bub
sicklucker pandain scumteam lol
"It's super scummy for a couple reasons but since your role is more likely town IMO (in a game with weird random roles that said it was normal) you're safe..." Seems pretty dismissive
On March 11 2019 06:32 Tumblewood wrote: FF who have you bombed
It's only one person per night and I get the bomb back if i don't die so it's irrelevant but ok
N1 i put it on HF
N2 I put it on onegu but changed it closer to deadline to ace
So, if the bomb placement was based on your reads, it could have been on any of Ace, Onegu, Pandain, SL, LS, Acro, or Chezinu (who you did vote for the lynch). If scum were playing conservatively based on your reads, then any of those (besides Ace) could have been the deterrent to your untimely demise.
Lastly, there is this question that we missed before diving your filter:
On March 11 2019 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm just wondering how chezinu thought to claim mad hatter you know? Random claim for fun that awkwardly happened to have a counterclaim?
Though it shames us to admit it, the delusion of being a bomber was placed in Chezinu's head by none other than your hosts at the Dead Zone Show!
On March 10 2019 10:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Is that a vague threat or some kind of hatter claim? I'd rather keep living if I can help it
C was a mix of HF and Chezinu and had some darkness in them. HF flipped green, so does that make you the darkness?
btw, the new C is LightningStrike. Think it's time for them to take up the mantle?
On March 10 2019 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You said the same thing about Vivax apparently:
On March 06 2019 13:56 Chezinu wrote: I'm going with the I die you die tactic.
On March 06 2019 13:46 Chezinu wrote: Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax
It is great to have ammunition against the mafia so that they don't kill ya!!!
Is this about to turn into a hostage negotiation?
It appears to us that Chezinu read our worried question into his threats of violence and ran with it, adopting the moniker of the Brown Bomber and wreaking terror on the citizens of Liquidia. This is why we at least consider the claim to be bunk, since it came out after we put it in Chezinu's head, and the claim had many inconsistencies and things made up about it on the fly. That it resulted in a real blue claim was an unintended side-effect.
New listener Vivax calls in with the following message:
On March 13 2019 12:11 Vivax wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles, I have meditated upon the fact that so far this game, one role can have multiple variations, as evidenced by Palmars flip. Our lord and saviour kitaman27 has made sure that we could not fully understand his creation in order to be amused by the dabbling of confused heretics.
I have therefore decided to temporarily accept Acrofales claim that he is only allowed to use his gun on silent individuals. I have also decided to accept that the Brown Bomber could use a different type of explosive than demolitions expert Fecalfeast, although the name of the latter suggests that he might be a contender for the pseudonym of Brown Bomber.
Upon further inspection of the Brown Bombers manifest, I have also not been able to notice maliciousness, rather than a constant state of confusion with intermittent periods of normality. Even noticing my name in it in a manner that looked like a death threat, I have attributed it to the belief that his intention was not to kill me for believing I was a killer in the night, but rather in order to rank up in the OP.
Your scrutiny of the claims that the brown bomber being alive is only due to the fact that he himself is a killer in the night is convincing me to campaign to delay his execution. My interest for today's execution is instead slowly shifting to a smelly pipe I have for far too long endured. I have been wondering where this foul odor that has been plaguing the town was coming from, and have realized that it smelled like my shoes after a long day of trekking.
Upon gazing into the pipe and being greeted by pitch black darkness, I was also assailed by a foul smell of rotting flesh and old socks. I suspect the nightly disappearances are being hoarded in there by a vile creature that I had the liberty of coining tubesock.
We fully endorse this message, and will be calling in Liquidia police to begin a search through this network of underground pipes in the hope that they can flush out the insidious being calling them its home.
It's long past due to hang this dirty piece of laundry out to dry!
On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Why is rels town?
Out of all the players he choose me to get the qt. If he was scum he should of went for someone who seriously thinks is a traitor or a town leader. I trusting my early read on rels as well which I did he have him town day 1. As scum he also loves to buddy up with town leaders and he not really doing that given that he gave me the qt.
On March 12 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LS said the following in an interview earlier today:
On March 12 2019 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
The bolded is likely true.
We here at the Dead Zone Show would like to reach out to LightningStrike and Oatsmaster for comment. Could you please expand on this point for our fine citizens listening at home?
We believe the question of whether scum knew about Sentinel's treacherous qualities is relevant to the case of the mysterious drifter known as Onegu.
After the Sentinel lynch Onegu was quick to come in and passionately throw around the idea that scum had no idea who Sentinel was. We don't know how they could be so sure of that fact. Wouldn't only scum know for certain?
As scum that could be a misdirection play to keep town from focusing more on the other D3 wagons.
We eagerly await your response.
Mainly because of mechanical play: If scum didn't know who the traitor was they wouldn't of shot Ace 99% of the time. Ace was lynchable which makes him a bad kill and especially because of his flip we were given what was the wagons for Day 3 outside of Chez. Side note: Rels in the qt did say that both MZ and Chez are almost certainty are scum but Chez did his tell for me unless he decides to break it in this game.
The argument being made seems to be that Ace was a prime lynch target for today if he had lived, and by killing Ace scum gave town more information about the wagon to work with. So, is the idea here that scum want to manipulate how we look at the D3 wagons? We're not exactly following, but we believe in your conviction to the answer!
In any case, if we can say with high confidence that scum knew Sentinel was mafia, would you agree that that makes Onegu's behaviour at the end of day more suspicious if he were scum? Onegu was essentially saying not to read anyone town or look into the wagons too closely since if scum didn't know the traitor they thought they were getting a town lynch. However, if we now have evidence that scum likely knew that Sentinel was a traitor, then Onegu's play looks a lot more like it's dissuading us from looking at the wagons so that we don't notice things like if scum were trying to push people off of Sentinel.
On March 12 2019 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
Our paths will cross again soon!
Dear Dead Zone Show:
I have found it strange that my inability to read anyone has caused me to go slowly from universal townreadedness (how would I say that? Oh from being generally regarded as townie) to a stronger and more universal scum read from my fellows. My alignment didn’t change; So I have to ask, is not the General methodology this town is using, somewhat of a failure? Can we agree on that? What then, is a reliable metric to use to find criminals, without as much risk of the costly error of assigning a sentence to the innocent?
Also, how can one who has found that spending the time to pick up a $100.00 bill would cost him more than he would make keeping it, prove innocence quickly and concisely?
I posit this is impossible, and ask that people read my filter. Is it so bad?
What is your take? Are the eyes of Svengali upon my filter?
I posit I lack the skill.
But
May this town Mowglify. Despite how our bagheeras are all deeply entranced (shot) mayhap we can push kaa
But I digress
Your host agrees that it has been hard to keep green friends for long in this violent period of upheaval. We all have some people that we can trust, or that our gut tells us are allies, but we can only rely on that so far.
At a certain point we have to delve in to the darker parts of our society, to expose the rank belly of corruption that underlies our fair town. It is important to differentiate between those who have dark intentions behind their words and violence in their hearts than those poor souls who are genuinely confused and lost amidst the turmoil.
We ourselves at the Dead Zone Show look for those who veil their intentions behind layers of misdirection, and who change conviction at the first sign of resistance or opportunity. These people often change their masks, but if you keep a close eye out you can sometimes glimpse the monster that lays beneath.
We must admit we have not paid the closest attention to your own writings, which is interesting as they prove quite long at 18 pages. Overall, you have not stuck out to us so far this game as a problem. Perhaps at a later time we'll do a more in-depth read, but for now consider yourself solidly null. Does this free you from the bonds of green and red that held you? Let our read fill you with determination to follow your own heart and root out scum wherever they live. We're looking forward to it.
We thank you for yet another productive episode of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your writings and mail and we'll be sure to devote time to them live on air during the next show.
Welcome to a special afternoon report brought to you by the Dead Zone Show! We've got your host Mr. Wiggles on the line, live from his day job. He'll be trying to check in occasionally until the lynch, but will be posting from phone
TS has looked like scum to your host for a while now. We want to flip them today, and do not want to risk accidentally killing our Beloved Brown Brother by swapping off. If it looks like the TS lynch isn't happening, we'll do what we have to, but the wagon seems solid for now.
We mentioned Onegu and DF being decent lynches earlier. Feel bad that Onegu's in the hospital though
For those opposed to the TS lynch, can someone give an argument other than feeling vaguely towny? Your host doesn't see it, and is excited for that sick Day 1 read to finally be vindicated.
TS' return reads poorly to us at the show because of how they latched on so hard to the FF/Chez claim stuff.
First point is that Chez' claim was trolly as heck, and read fake to us at least. At least some townies may have fell into that hole, so maybe we can cut a little slack here, but!
Second point is that the discussion is super easy for scum to get into. You don't need to analyze behavior or motivations, just focus on some crunchy role mechanics stuff. From that point of view, it looks like fake scum hunting, akin to someone trying to look town by doing setup speculation or something.
So, we get a bunch of one liner reads, with the only real effort devoted to something that barely contributes to town but attempts to look helpful.
On March 14 2019 07:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your host likely has not enough time to properly evaluate an MZ lynch before the deadline. We've been reading him soft town so far.
Is there actually a case written somewhere? Thought I saw one, but went back a few pages and only saw the intention to lynch without the reasoning attached
On March 14 2019 07:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: TS' return reads poorly to us at the show because of how they latched on so hard to the FF/Chez claim stuff.
First point is that Chez' claim was trolly as heck, and read fake to us at least. At least some townies may have fell into that hole, so maybe we can cut a little slack here, but!
Second point is that the discussion is super easy for scum to get into. You don't need to analyze behavior or motivations, just focus on some crunchy role mechanics stuff. From that point of view, it looks like fake scum hunting, akin to someone trying to look town by doing setup speculation or something.
So, we get a bunch of one liner reads, with the only real effort devoted to something that barely contributes to town but attempts to look helpful.
Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's my duty to be with you here tonight, as we mourn the loss of dear Chezinu, perhaps better known in Liquidia as the friendly neighbourhood Brown Bomber.
Chezinu lived a storied life, sometimes in the depths of trouble, sometimes at the heights of elation. Though we here at the show did our best to sway public opinion, we were powerless to do anything as the crowd finally descended upon poor Chezinu and stole away his life. He has now been washed clean of his past in death, and we will remember all that he meant to this town.
We'll be opening up the line to callers as we reflect on the life and times of Chezinu Unizehc. We hope you enjoy the program.
Also, please remember to sign up for this Sunday's Chezinu Memorial Fun Run, as we take to the streets of Liquidia to raise public awareness against the threat of scum to our dear Liquidia.
On March 14 2019 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: I took some time off I think it was TvT for Tubesock vs Chez which makes me sad. It kinda shitty but we have to deal with it.
What's making you change your mind on TS? I don't like how TS rolled over at the end, and unlike some others, I don't believe it's necessarily a town tell. For me that's not alignment-indicative, so I think the previous case still stands.
Concerned parent Grackaroni calls in with the following:
On March 14 2019 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hello Mr. Wiggles.
Long time listener, first time caller.
My issue with your program is that it focuses heavily on night actions and tube socks, which makes for somewhat dull listening in my evening hours. Frequently questions are explored in great detail that are of little value. I fear that your sock fetish frequently distracts from more engaging topics.
Could you give me some of your thoughts on the following players:
Oatsmaster Rels Jockmcplop Mocsta
Firstly, let us assure you that the Dead Zone Show is one of the most wholesome radio programs available to the citizens of Liquidia, and we try to stay focused on the hot issues of the day affecting our society. We do our best to deliver quality entertainment, so if we are failing in this regard, we apologise.
Now, as for your question, we have the following opinions after filter-diving (or at least skimming) the above:
Mocsta:
Overall reads as town to me, based on behavioural reasons. Lots of Mocsta's reads have been pretty out there or novel. There's also been lots of progression in the reads that doesn't look like scum. Mocsta will go out and accuse someone, throw some crap around, and then end up changing the read organically as the thread moves forward or more information is revealed. I don't see scum putting themselves out there that much or making themselves stick out like that. I don't like the recent preoccupation with 3P/SK and kill analysis, but that's more because I think it's a waste of effort than scum-motivated.
Jockmcplop:
Null to scum lean. We liked his play in the early stages of the game, but to us lately it's been becoming more scummy. The last while has seemed really tentative and timid compared to the earlier play that was a bit fearless. The posts from the last day have read more like they're probing to get a sense of town sentiment before committing to a read. This seems like scum that's getting nervous and doesn't know how to play or blend coming in to the mid game where there's less room to hide. I'll temper the read based on the fact that this is allegedly Jock's first game, so maybe the nerves are for a different reason, but it's coming off more as scum than inexperience now.
Rels:
Rels is a weird one because of the mason stuff. Rsoultin was masoned and outed Rels for thinking they're scum, and then LS was masoned and seems to have a town read on Rels (I think?). There's some weirdness going on here, where the Rels/Rsoultin stuff doesn't seem to match up with the apparent effort that's going on now with LS (based on stuff LS is saying in thread). This gives me some strange vibes.
Looking through the filter, it's not great. Lots of soft posting without many hard stances, besides pushing Ace and then Chez in the last couple cycles. Besides that, there's a lack content, even with lots of posts. There's maybe some stuff going on in the QT now with LS, but I don't like that reads are coming out through LS about stuff like Onegu, MZ, and TS and not from Rels himself via his posting in the thread. He doesn't seem to be publicly pushing the same stuff that he's feeding to LS.
Decent chance to flip scum.
Oatsmaster:
Null to scum read, similar strength to Jock. Looking through the filter was pretty hard. There's lots of random commentary and questions that don't seem to accomplish much or go anywhere. Lots of their scum reads come on hard seem to drop pretty soon thereafter. Reads a lot like Oats is throwing crap at the wall and looking for what might stick. Maybe that's a good way to look for reactions pretty early in the game, but coming in to this stage, it doesn't really add too much. I'm not familiar with meta any more, so maybe this is Oats' normal play?
Overall, I'd contrast Oats' play to Mocsta's where the latter's shows a more clear progression in the reads compared to Oats, even if they similarly try to push their own reads regardless of town sentiment. Mocsta's reads a lot more like town trying to scumhunt compared to Oats.
On March 14 2019 11:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LightningStrike calls in:
On March 14 2019 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: I took some time off I think it was TvT for Tubesock vs Chez which makes me sad. It kinda shitty but we have to deal with it.
What's making you change your mind on TS? I don't like how TS rolled over at the end, and unlike some others, I don't believe it's necessarily a town tell. For me that's not alignment-indicative, so I think the previous case still stands.
Because if he was scum then why would town just move all over the place they did EoD?
We're not sure this explanation makes sense. Town shouldn't know whether he's scum or not for sure, so them moving around at the end of day shouldn't matter too much based on TS' alignment? This town has gotten cold feet on plenty of votes, we can look back at the D1 conversion vote, for example, and Vivax acted similarly then as well.
Some people didn't seem convinced by the arguments against TS and tunnelled in on Chez or looked for alternate lynches. This led to lots of churn near the end of the day. We think at least some of this was scum trying to get people off TS or Onegu. Maybe it wasn't reflected in the votes, but some of the counter wagons proposed should be looked at.
Your hosts here at the Dead Zone Show would like to make their reads more clear. Most of this should have reasoning in our filter, besides a couple town reads we haven't mentioned and the null/uncertains. This is where people currently stand from strongest to weakest read in each category on the LiquidiaHotSingles list:
Town:
Mr. Wiggles (I know my role!) Pandain (HF shot + Sent push + posting) Acrofales (Had this read for a while, posting) LightningStrike (#1 Dead Zone Show fan) Grackaroni (Posting) Vivax (Posting) Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam (To make slam feel happy and included )
Null or not paid a ton of attention to:
Fecalfeast (Claim is not confirmed, but not worth looking at as a lynch yet) sicklucker ExO_
We would like to thank our fans for yet another successful episode of the Dead Zone Show! Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your letters so we can read them on air live during the next show. If you forget to write, that's OK! We always keep the lines open for callers.
Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's truly a pleasure to still be with you here tonight, whether you're patiently counting down the time until blood runs red in the streets once again or frantically looking to avert your scum buddies' imminent slaughter.
We'll be opening the line up right away to our dedicated callers; for the first time in Dead Zone Show history we find our fan mail bag empty.
In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
We'll be shutting down the lines early for tonight's episode of the Dead Zone Show to catch some shut eye. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your letters so we can read them on air live during the next show.
Good morning to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to a special Saturday morning edition of the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's truly a pleasure to be with you here this morning, whether you're just waking up to start a lazy Saturday of scum hunting, or finally nodding off to sleep after a night of nefarious misdeeds.
We'll be opening the line up right away to our dedicated callers, and responding to some hate-mail we've received in-between calls. It appears that there are a few curmudgeons in town who do not appreciate what we do here at the show.
Before we get into the show, we are paging Professor Acrofales, paging Professor Acrofales.
If you're still here, we would like to know your thoughts on one 'darthfoley'. We consider him the strongest alternate lynch to Oats that we can rally town behind today.
On March 17 2019 00:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Before we get into the show, we are paging Professor Acrofales, paging Professor Acrofales.
If you're still here, we would like to know your thoughts on one 'darthfoley'. We consider him the strongest alternate lynch to Oats that we can rally town behind today.
how can he be stronger than ExO or MZ?
One of these things is not like the other! Your host does not see how MZ fits with ExO_ and DF, so we'll leave that contrast out.
The big difference is ExO_ comes in to the thread with their own opinions, while DF comes in with probing questions to try to guess town sentiment. We referred to this before as 'fishing'. We'll show some examples from early in the game below:
On March 04 2019 07:03 Damdred wrote: HF, RS, FF,Iamp can be the strong start of a town circle, and sents posts have been overall excellent so I would say hes town as well.
So 6 people is a good start so far.
Let's contknue.
RS for sure tho?
I'm decently sure about RS, a lot of the time when RS has been scum she is a bit pointless and tries to send certain people on tilt. HF and her are coexisting in the thread and not trying to make the other quit, that's town tell one.
She is also prodding and looking into things in a way that makes me think she is doing it i a protein way. Like how she just explained how she had 8 scum tells, its concise has no real filler to make it look padded and just is (she likes to pad as scum as well).
Also reads seem to be more fluid in how she approaches the game is looking g for things to change reads on.
Pretty certain she is town.
Without reading rsoul yet, I think I agree with this read. However I think it's more likely scum damdred town reading rsoul than town damdred town reading rsoul.
Too early to be sure though. I don't like Damdreds Day1. In my very limited opinion he's not scum hunting, but sucking up and trying to be involved in a town circle.
On March 04 2019 16:05 ExO_ wrote: Jesus fuck I don't think rsoul could fake this 7 page filter. I don't like how much rsoul has asked for Damdreds approval, but overall I don't believe rsoul is scum.
So far:
Town: Rsoul
Scum: Damdred
Where the fuck is: Koshi
On March 04 2019 16:10 ExO_ wrote: I read acro's filter. I don't get a super strong scum vibe from it. I placed my vote on him when I was throwing a tantrum and fucked out of here not expecting to be back for a few days, but now I don't see why he's a big wagon. Going to unvote him for now.
On March 04 2019 16:21 ExO_ wrote: Hard for me to read iamp. I'm super guilty of scum reading anybody who accuses me -- and I hate be talked down to. iamp calls everyone trash and acts superior and I'm offended at how he just told me to fuck off instead of asking anything.
That seems to be the attitude of most here though so I guess I should just get over it.
That being said -- he's made a lot of short posts. He posted his one big case on Acro and then didn't really expand on it. Has just continued to push him with very low-effort posts.
Compare his filter with rsouls -- rsoul at least looks like she's trying to engage and figure out things, whereas iamp doesn't engage as much....but I don't think I can say at this point in time I think he's scum. I think he's probably a smug little town player who thinks he's god's gift to mafia
A LOT of people are mayor voting iamp though -- people I haven't even seen once. I guess that's the direction I'll head in next because I don't think iamp is a great mayor candidate at this time.
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
On March 03 2019 11:19 darthfoley wrote: So after 30 pages
Townish Iamp - Might not've said huge amount of content, but I feel his tone/snarky responses feel townie. I feel it, in my plums. Ticktock - He put in a fair amount of work trying to put forth some reads + quotes. Felt like a lot of work for mafia!TT that isn't known for tryharding, IIRC Bloodycobbler - Thought his no BS post about scum reading rsoultin/iamp came from a townie perspective that I disagree with rsoultin - Kinda meta analysis of tone, meh Tumblewood - Had one early post on MeapZ before it became the cool thing to do. Agreed with his post
Scummy Conversion - subpar entry followed by not a whole lot. Kind of feels like he doesn't know where to go next Meapak - Posted a lot of early fluff that felt unnecessary, but our scum reads align on conv/LS so I reserve the right to be wrong Acrofales - his one post was bitching about length and pages. Super easy entry without follow up that doesn't provide any information LS - He's definitely posted more than a few times but it's felt very targeted towards a few "chummy" people like Damdred. Jocmcplop - Was passive on a couple scum reads, throwing them out and seeing whether they'd stick.
Everyone else is floating somewhere in the middle. I'm gonna continue to catch up on the game, will be in and out for a few more hours
^ Soft on everyone, early in the game yet, but this is one of the few read posts we get from DF.
On March 02 2019 23:21 Grackaroni wrote: I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
is that me? what's the point of hiding the name?
On March 02 2019 21:26 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:22 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:11 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:02 Vivax wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 02 2019 20:51 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn
MZ said explicitly that he's accepting convs scum claim as a joke, but he wanted to know why he put in those names anyway.
Why is that a reason for you to question his motives?
And why does Conversion instantly get on the defensive about it when MZ said it isn't a reason to scumread him?
Read again, MZ never said Conversion isn't mafia. He said quite the opposite, and i understood perfectly what Conversion was pushing him about. That being said i think that particular answer later on where he explains his stance on Conversion can come easily come from either town or scum, which is why i dropped the conversation about it.
MZ was poking him about it as he said himself and that's how I was reading the entire thing. It's just you and conversion that seemingly are construing it as a scumread.
riddle me this: if you believe me to be mafia, in what world would my first post in a rather dull thread be exposing any of my teammates? if you were to believe I was mafia, as a townie you wouldn't care about my list as you'd have to believe I'm playing against mafia win condition by unnecessarily exposing my teammates for a joke post that wasn't even funny
if you believe I am town, then the order doesn't matter cause I'm just making a dumb joke
And this quote from Conversion isn't something a townie would ever write.
"Hey I made a joke post about me being mafia. Let me explain why if it weren't a joke post, it wouldn't make me mafia"
Okay, you can be in my non-lynch pile. This feels like a vivaxy thing to focus on though I can't say I read his post the same way you do. I'd actually call his post a potential strawman argument.
"Why did you pick those names?" "Why do you care why I picked those names? It's a joke."
I agree with MP that names come from somewhere, joke or not -shrugs-
That's what I'd rather expect from a townie making a joke. And not try to use your joke post in an argumentation for you not being mafia.
Screaming agreement with you there. It's just I don't read the intention behind Conversion's posting as trying to make an argument that makes him not mafia? And since neither of us are him I don't know how we can know his intent for sure :/
ok this is cool, but if you're in agreement with Vivax, do you still want to lynch Chezinu over me? your trail is kind of soft here, unlike Vivax who is hard for "Conversion is mafia"
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
There's a ton of people doing this in my perspective, so could you go a little deeper in explaining why you picked sicklucker?
Still pushing for a Chez lynch.
I'm in agreement with Vivax in theory that someone using that type of joke post to say they're town is scummy. And disagree that's what you were doing. Don't have enough to go on to have a strong read on you.
I don't understand why we would ever lynch Chez in a game with lots of vigi KP. He's always this RP NAI character to me and wasting a lynch on someone that could easily be shot just seems wasteful tbh. There have been lots of people who have been more scummy than chez imo
On March 04 2019 04:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Just catching up now a couple of things are eye catching immediately.
I'd like to know what fecalfeast would do as mayor, specifically.
The only thing palmar has actually committed to is killing sent and I don't see the 'anti town' reasoning as particularly strong. It was only based off of a post or two.
Iamp is suspicious to me. He's posting alot of short, meaningless posts and is pointing out that he's 'obviously town' (if its obvious it doesn't need pointing out).
Oats is weird. I don't know if its just that he's fishing for info by making obviously wrong reads or trying to wind everyone up a bit. Some of his comments are very flamey with the whole 'triggered' thing. Seems like he's trying to obliquely control the conversation and then when everyone starts arguing he disappears.
Townreads at the moment:
LS Rsoultin Acrofales HF
Why are you townreading LS and Acrofales?
On March 04 2019 08:10 darthfoley wrote: Have no idea why town!LS would "rage" with some soft accusations. Hell, this game hasn't even turned toxic yet. Super meh
On March 04 2019 08:25 darthfoley wrote: Interested on MeapZiph's take on iamp after the last 30 pages.
After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role...
Brown Chez, always brown.
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t
So, to contrast these, we've got ExO_ who at least comes in with a strong opinion and offers some reasoning for it. On the other hand, we've got DF who comes in all the time with some variant of, asking where thread sentiment is heading, wondering out loud why things are happening without directly addressing the person he's wondering about, or making very non-committal posts that don't actually go anywhere. There's a few instances of some variation on, "There's lots of scummy people we should look at/vig/whatever", that don't actually delve into the reads. This looks like posts meant to blend, since town can read them and go, "Yeah, there are lots of scummy people!".
Now DF is looking around for 'scum' and being more stronger with the reads, but we think that's only because of the pressure on him. Given the amount of flailing, it doesn't feel like town trying to find a real scum case to avoid mislynch.
Breaking character for a second:
I'm not considering the hospital stuff at all, same thing as for Onegu. My reads are based on what they've said during the game. Using external-from-the-game activity or life information to push cases is something I've always hated, to the point that I tried to make it a bannable offence circa 2012-2013 a little before I stopped playing.
I'm taking everyone at their word for when they say real life stuff comes up, and if they want to abuse that, they're just someone I won't want to play with in the future, but I'll judge that after the game, not during.
The redeeming factor of darthfoley is this hilarious (unintended?) pun about mocsta's claim:
On March 15 2019 22:29 darthfoley wrote: Mocsta pushing me saying I have zero redeeming factors after calling my filter “fine, logical and makes sense” the whole game???
You’re really trying to lynch me in LYLO for being wrong one more time than most of the town? You keep saying I have muppet votes but I don’t know what that means.
I thought you were claiming parody cop but you hadn’t actually checked me. Now you’re implying you DID check me. If you’re actually claiming to have checked me and still claiming a red check then you’re scum.
Pull your head outta your buttcheeks if you’re actually cop
We've got Professor Acrofales on the line. Please stay tuned as we conduct an interval with this esteemed criminologist into the merits of the darthfoley/Oatsmaster cases:
On March 17 2019 00:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Before we get into the show, we are paging Professor Acrofales, paging Professor Acrofales.
If you're still here, we would like to know your thoughts on one 'darthfoley'. We consider him the strongest alternate lynch to Oats that we can rally town behind today.
Why are you looking at an alternative wagon? What do you think of Oats?
On March 14 2019 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hello Mr. Wiggles.
Long time listener, first time caller.
My issue with your program is that it focuses heavily on night actions and tube socks, which makes for somewhat dull listening in my evening hours. Frequently questions are explored in great detail that are of little value. I fear that your sock fetish frequently distracts from more engaging topics.
Could you give me some of your thoughts on the following players:
Oatsmaster Rels Jockmcplop Mocsta
snip...
Oatsmaster:
Null to scum read, similar strength to Jock. Looking through the filter was pretty hard. There's lots of random commentary and questions that don't seem to accomplish much or go anywhere. Lots of their scum reads come on hard seem to drop pretty soon thereafter. Reads a lot like Oats is throwing crap at the wall and looking for what might stick. Maybe that's a good way to look for reactions pretty early in the game, but coming in to this stage, it doesn't really add too much. I'm not familiar with meta any more, so maybe this is Oats' normal play?
Overall, I'd contrast Oats' play to Mocsta's where the latter's shows a more clear progression in the reads compared to Oats, even if they similarly try to push their own reads regardless of town sentiment. Mocsta's reads a lot more like town trying to scumhunt compared to Oats.
Your case has done a lot to build on that read, and we think it's pretty strong. Your point about lots of throwaway content meshes well with what we found scummy. I'm not sure how convincing the BC association is in isolation to other scum flips, but the flip-flop around voting off-wagon is a great point.
The stuff around the rsoultin and TS interaction is also good. Oats definitely backs off hard when the pressure starts to build.
On the other hand, your host has a strong gut read on DF and dives into his filter only serve to reinforce it. We posted some more rationale up above contrasting DF to other lurkers like ExO_.
Do you disagree that DF is scum? A red flip on DF or Oats would provide more association against the other one.
Your host may have a tendency to tunnel into what they consider strong reads, but we're probably in a do-or-die situation, so we need to know if our town reads think we're on the wrong track here. We've backed off TS for the day since a lot of people aren't seeing it anymore, and we don't want last minute shenanigans to be available to scum over a split wagon. It's important that Liquidia commits to a lynch so we don't get screwed. The staff of the Dead Zone Show consider this to best be one of DF or Oats today.
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
Ex-employee Meapak_Ziphh calls in with the following question:
On March 17 2019 01:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Deadzone host I agree with your top scum reads, I'm curious what you think about Pandain in light of what Mocsta had to say in his video?
Pandain's looking worse to me after their posting in this cycle. The case on mocsta is based pretty much entirely on the claim:
On March 16 2019 04:46 Pandain wrote: Mocsta is almost certainly bullshiting about his claim, making him almost certainly mafia
Nothing about his claim makes sense.
1. He claimed parity cop last night already, without revealing his checks. If he was really cop and was afraid to get shot, he almost certainly would have revealed his checks right before day. Not doing this shows he either isn't afraid of getting shot, or he doesn't care about revealing his information, neither of which makes sense if he's actually cop. 2. None of his checks make sense. Let's see who he says a. Koshi night one - Makes no sense. Mocsta had a strong town read on Koshi. Why would you check someone you have a town read on, especially when they were not posting at all like Koshi night one? + Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2019 02:37 Vivax wrote: Anyway, here's my 100% scummers in case I die.
Iamp, Oats, Marv, Sentinel.
My 50 % scummers. Half of those are townies.
rsoultin, Wiggles, Pandain, ExO, BH, TS
Rayn not mafia cause can't be mafia with iamp in 9/10 cases. HF just decided to be a selfish dumbass and shit up the game and hurt my feelings, but alas, he's town by PoE. He literally doesn't give a shit about being townread when town. All he cares about is that people are wrong about him no matter his alignment so he can pat himself on the back.
I absolutely agree on that.
You/acro/koshi/jock/HF are pretty much my only town reads.
Note this is 30 minutes before day 2, so as recent that night as you can get
b. Holyflare night two - Same deal here, Mocsta thought he was town. See spoilers below. Not only that, Mocsta was scumreading people like Exo and Oats. Like the last night, this filter makes no sense.
I will also say this is the "lazy" choice for a fakeclaim check night two, as I bet with all the drama most people would have checked him if not the night before. However based on Mocsta's filter? No way.
On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.
Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline.
they are voting you because you are an internet narcissist.
You have 10% of the page count for what? Congrats, you won the last mayor, and in my opinion wrecked town atmosphere.
I dont think you are scum, I actually thought you were pretty sincere before you when you said you were burnt out. Makes sense, its a bucket load of effort to maintain.
Acro has been putting it in equally too you know.
I really think you are both town.
I really want damdred lynched. or someone from the lurker pool Or vivax, i dont care at this point.
I invested most of my energy into Ace and for what. fuckn 3P. sigh.
On March 08 2019 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Hf I feel like so much of what you've done is based on whether people are defending you or what their reads of the unflipped BH are.
yep and thats what most townies do under pressure
focus on anything to do with them.
c. Ticktock night three - Alright, maybe, in that he was at least scumming him before.
However, it is also convenient that they just all happen to be dead as well. And there's no way town had three cops, that's way way way too imbalanced. Can you imagine if the cops did not die day 1? This game would have been over from long before.
However, the final nail in the coffin is that Mocsta rescinded his vote on DF. We are in a possible lylo situation right now depending on KP and how many mafia there are. Why would a parity cop who just checked someone who is red ever in a million years not keep pushing for his red check? Makes absolutely no sense if he's telling the truth.
If we actually are in a lylo situation, it would be a perfect time for mafia to fake claim because they just need to get one person lynched. The whole circumstances surrounding Mocsta are super sketchy, shady, and scummy, and he's practically mafia in my book now.
These circumstances also makes darthfoley a strong town in my book. If he is town, I'm not surprised that mafia would fakeclaim check him considering there is tons of suspicion on him.
In short, he's contradictory, his "checks" don't make sense, and he isn't playing like someone who just checked scum.
This case came out long after I had made my own analysis on mocsta that came to the conclusion that he was town and fake-claiming as some sort of ploy or for laughs, and after several others had already called out the claim as well.
Pandain's 'final nail' is the thing that should throw off his entire case. As a real cop, or a scum fake claiming cop, mocsta would have to be 100% committed to the read on DF and push for a DF lynch. That mocsta backed off showed that the claim was obviously bogus. From this perspective the case reads as some kind of weird tunnel that started with the conclusion that mocsta was scum and then tried to make its way there via the claim.
This is also bad:
On March 16 2019 04:56 Pandain wrote: Because he revealed his checks I might be persuaded to vote onegu but it 100% should not be oats based on how easily mocsta switched
Needs to be between mocsta and onegu
As we explained on the last episode of the Dead Zone Show, there's not a strong reason to lynch Onegu today, unless we have no other strong scum reads. Assuming Onegu is 3P and not scum for the moment, this post is asking us to lynch into either likely town or 3P. Pretty nice lynch for mafia, don't you think listeners?
Given the very weird DF green read based on mocsta's fake claim, and the push to get people off of Oats, your host thinks that Pandain looks like a great lynch after one of them flips red. For now the associations aren't confirmed, but assuming they're there based on our current reads, Pandain's play today looks like scum trying to seal the deal by pushing for a mislynch.
On March 17 2019 01:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Deadzone host I agree with your top scum reads, I'm curious what you think about Pandain in light of what Mocsta had to say in his video?
What are the rough timestamps for the Pandain part? I was listening to it in the background, and heard some of it, but would like to re-listen more closely to give a better answer about the video in particular.
The stuff around the shot and sent lynch had us town reading Pandain in the last cycle, but the posts today are quickly destroying our confidence.
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
We'd also like to point out, RE activity and being interested in the game, that this is our most active game on this site, ever.
My next longest filter is Insane Mafia 2 which spans a whole 7 pages of game posts over a few weeks and we end-gamed that one. Our filter usually ranges in the 1-5 page area, so don't come at me with that stuff, it's old hat. If you really want, I'll go find the crappy cases people made based on activity and 'interest' that resulted in mislynch from back then too.
On March 17 2019 04:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wiggles do you really still think tube is scum?
I don't think they're cleared based on the last day, and coming in now when we're probably at MYLO to try to push a mislynch on me with their scum buddy Oats is a terrible look.
It's not alignment indicative to me that they rolled over on the last cycle. Scum can do that too, and if they are getting tired of the game, it's easy for them to say so so mafia doesn't put a ton of effort into saving them.
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote: [quote]
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance.
I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first.
What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing
On March 17 2019 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I just want to point out that Wriggles coming hard on me here is 100% mafia play who knows that their only way out of today is to push the lynch on me as hard as possible and since townie looking people have already certified this style of play, aka acro, they dont look weird
Oats looking for literally any other lynch is 100% mafia who knows that a mislynch is the same thing as mafia victory. He doesn't care about how he looks coming out of this because if he kamikazes into me scum win
On March 17 2019 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Crimson bandit Oatsmaster calls in with the following:
On March 17 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Desperate likely-mafioso Oatsmaster write in with the following nasty bit of slander:
On March 16 2019 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Wriggles is mafia
Lets start with this post
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
Your host does seriously entertain that Onegu can be scum, which is why the bulk of the above transcript is devoted to the idea that the claim doesn't make much sense for a real 3P and that there is definite scum motivation to make that claim. We think he's more likely scum than survivor, but on the chance he is survivor, we'd rather not give scum essentially a free round of night kills.
Given Professor Acrofales' analysis, we need to lynch into scum multiple times with no mislynches. We'd rather not take the chance on Onegu when we believe there are other scum to lynch who we feel just as strongly on. That's the whole point about if our reads aren't great coming in to the second or third scum lynch we can kill him then, since the expected value works out.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
[quote] We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology: [quote] [quote] Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
waste of time post
If that post that took a minute to write was a waste of time, what does that make your question? Please read the thread in the future, and you won't need to waste so much of other people's time. =/
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question: [quote] We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
We have a town read on mocsta, which if you don't know that seems to go back to not actually following the show very closely. This read was made before the cop claim came out. That post details that despite the claim, we still thought mocsta was a member of our fair town. There could be mafia motivation to the claim, but based on our earlier read and the inconsistencies in the claim, we thought it was some sort of ploy to get people behind a DF lynch.
As for the last point, outside of weekends we have only a few hours to actively post in the evening. This also happens to be when a lot of people are away or asleep, thus the title of the show. We're playing the game by trying to advance reads, comment on current events, and basically be an open book to any question we're asked in our fan mail. If we don't look like we're pushing lynches that's because we're not, in the sense that we can't be around to spam "lynch X" for the four hours before the lynch. If people don't read the thread or want to remember what was written further back than a few hours ago, we can't really do anything about that.
The claim needs to be verified because something smells fishy, means that you thought its some sort of ploy from town? Your words and your explanation afterwards don’t make sense.
I really don’t care why you decided that this format is how you want to interact with the game, I care that you come in, answer some questions and then not use any time at all to promote your lynch targets. There’s no proactivity in your play, it’s all reactive. Like it’s actually literally all reactive. Which is extremely scummy because you want to blend in and make sure that you react appropriately and not take risks in being proactive
Oats doesn't like reading, or more likely is scum lying through their teeth, so here's the quote from the original post:
"On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible."
This came out before mocsta admitted to the fake claim.
We've been pro-active in some ways for this game. We've been the only one who was really pushing your scum buddy Tubesock until the last lynch cycle. We were also one of the few people taking heat off of people we had town reads on by dismantling the shoddy and clumsy cases being made against them. Too bad this didn't work for Chezinu, but let's look at the wagon, shall we? Take your pick of Pandain or Onegu for scum:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Day Four final VoteCount
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
We've got half the scum team pushing Chez, and then your buddy about to get lynched voting you uselessly instead of doing anything to help town.
You summed up your post on mocsta with that line so im talking about that line. Not the rest of the literal waffle in your post.
I wasnt in thread when chez got all those votes anyway, when I left it was 7 tube 4 onegu 3 chez 2 mz stop saying that makes me scum because i wasnt there
You introduced the word fishy, scum.
"The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show."
Of course mocsta needs to clarify the claim, because he claimed two different checks! It smells off, because it was probably a fake claim. Then guess what? mocsta came in and said it was a fake claim, claim clarified!
DFs not happening, so you'll do. Die.
Im sorry, this is what I actually said
he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
smells off == smells fishy, same parlance.
I feel like you are trying to twist what I said to fit your narrative. This omgus push is nice though
I read you as scum last cycle, but wanted to flip DF first.
What I said is pretty unambiguous, and now you're floundering because I'm quoting instead of going with your paraphrasing
well yes its unambiguously bad which is what I pointed out. You are sitting on the fence with mocsta going, "i dunno man its just weird thats all".
What part of hard on me do you not understand?
Definitely scum. You can't read if you think "This could be scum, but I read mocsta as town and think he's fake claiming for whatever weird personal reason" is ambiguous
Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.
Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.
Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?
Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.
Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.
Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red
On March 17 2019 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.
Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.
Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red
Onegu is confirmed not town.
Yeah, but if he's 3P and not scum we might not be able to lynch him without losing. I think we've got the scum team pegged pretty well after all the stuff today though
On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.
Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.
Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?
Oats looks like he got the most 'constructive' this day cycle because he's getting lynched.
What do you think of Oats pushing MZ hard last cycle and then straight up abandoning him for me this cycle? I think it's related to the fact that MZ didn't get traction and people said they town read MZ so Oats needed to try a different target to get a mislynch.
On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.
Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.
Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?
Oats looks like he got the most 'constructive' this day cycle because he's getting lynched.
What do you think of Oats pushing MZ hard last cycle and then straight up abandoning him for me this cycle? I think it's related to the fact that MZ didn't get traction and people said they town read MZ so Oats needed to try a different target to get a mislynch.
Night kills were pointing at him didn't really like my interaction with him on Day 4 I think it was. Oats was more constructive early in his filter than his entire filter in that game like I said so unless he decided to up his game for this final game compared to his last one I played with him I doubt he is scum on that. I think he gave up that push since it wasn't going anywhere and tried to look for alternatives so we can lynch scum?
Yeah, my concern with the filter is it looks like that one only went to the end of D1 when he died. I wasn't in that game, but if he got lynched on D1 I'd expect his filter to look quite a bit different just because he had to deal with trying not to get lynched or give away too much info.
If that posting style is why he got lynched D1 wouldn't he have learned to change his game as scum so he doesn't get lynched again on D1? I don't see him playing the same way again as scum if he could help it or he'd just get killed D1 again lol
Dear Dead Zone Show listeners, we have a situation on our hands!
Suspected scum Rels has been whispering dark things into the ear of our #1 fan LightningStrike. LightningStrike is now prepared to turn his back on the town and elope with Rels after murdering ExO_. We'll be commenting live on this situation as it develops.
Concerned citizen Meapak_Ziphh writes in:
On March 17 2019 07:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LS you sound like you're in an abusive relationship with bad ideas "I know it went bad last time but THIS time it'll be different"
We agree with this. You can break if off with Rels and join the town before it's too late! Don't give in to this manipulation
On March 17 2019 08:08 Acrofales wrote: Well, I'm done with this game. My scumhunting is completely awful. I'll go join HF in the dumbass corner of this game.
If I'm still alive tomorrow I'm sheeping mocsta.
Maybe sheep me?
Is it time for the fan to become the leader and the show to become the fan?
We made a mistake in not trusting you, faithful listener.
On March 18 2019 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't even feel like there was that much "spam" as characterized by off topic posting. Just a lot of active people trying to solve the game.
Yeah, it wasn't off topic, but there was a lot of stuff like people posting seven one-liners in a row instead of in one post, or asking for people to link them to cases or other stuff instead of just finding it. One example of this is was Acro's role claim which ended up with a whole bunch of pages speculating how it worked after we had already had the exchange of:
Me: "Can you explain your role Acro?" Acro: "Sure, here's the details..."
I ended up reading each and every post of this game haha. It ate a ton into my four hour time window where I could play in the evening even when I was trying to keep up a bit on reading during work.
I actually leaned on how much stuff got buried to not answer a few questions that would have had awkward answers. Since the thread was moving so fast nobody noticed or cared. Probably one of the most damning things against me was someone asked what I thought of HF wanting to kill Palmar on D1 and I just ignored them lol. Good luck finding that exchange afterwards when filter diving unless you knew what you were looking for though
Overall my D1 play was really bad while I was shaking off 5+ years of rust. Palmar pegged me, but luckily HF followed through with his "kill Palmar" plan. Palmar also didn't post reasoning that I saw, so there wasn't a case, just an accusation.
This made things harder for me going forward, because a bunch of people had it in their head that I was scummy because of the "sheep Palmar" mentality. I showed up in a ton of scum lists with this reasoning, and it's part of the reason I was in something like 8/13 dead townie's reads, I think. We weren't even trying to kill my accusers on purpose, it just turned out something like half the game thought I was scum coming out of D1 lol.
After this I basically kept pushing town reads on a few of the people who were accusing me, wanting to kill me, or wielding town influence like HF, Acro, rsoultin, and Ace. This seemed to work since I didn't really get pushed by them after a while. The closest was probably rsoultin's half scum read on me.
The Dead Zone Show was something I started just to have fun. I figured I'd be lynched by D3 and potentially sooner after Palmar, so I wanted to have some fun while I was still around. There wasn't an ulterior motive like TS and Oats implied, I just did it for laughs, and will probably do something similar in future games, since it did end up being a lot of fun for me.
For a fun tidbit, all of the Dead Zone Show songs were taken from the soundtrack of True Detective Season 3. This was to set up the stupidest role claim breadcrumb in history when my lynch rolled around. Mocsta stole my thunder by fake claiming parity cop before I could though.
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