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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 09:16 GMT
#1722
You can tell who the mafia will be from now on when they say that they are unvoting me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 09:34 GMT
#1728
On March 04 2019 18:21 Palmar wrote:
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On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.


I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?


Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.

His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.

None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia


Hold on a second... the bolded? What's that?


Was a quote about acro in your filter, not sentinel. Rest of the points still stand though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 09:35 GMT
#1729
On March 04 2019 18:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
AND PARANOIA KICKS IN
Too many warm fuzzy townfeels going around from so many active people and there are a bunch of people in agreement with this (includingme aaaaaa)

Will probably look some people up and make a real dumb case no one will listen to tomorrow when I think I've found scum.
Stay tuned.


Self deprecation will only let you hide for so long. You better be providing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 09:40 GMT
#1731
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
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On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw

Now apologize for playing anti town.

I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.

Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.


He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.

Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:

a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it.
b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".

I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.

Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.


I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 09:51 GMT
#1735
On March 04 2019 18:42 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 04 2019 17:59 Holyflare wrote:
Don't mind lynching not acro, looks marginally better. This has nothing to do with his promise of voting me if I unvote him I swear.

Cool. You can be my mayor of you wanna kill Oats with me.


Yeah sure I'll kill + Show Spoiler [Oats] +
Palmar
!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 10:19 GMT
#1747
On March 04 2019 19:06 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 04 2019 19:02 Palmar wrote:
Rayn looks pretty bad as well, if only for the fact he's not berating some poor soul right now.

K. I'm comfortable sheeping Palmar. Rayn not being abusive feels like he's trying to fly under the radar.

Now, if you can just vote Oats, I can afk the rest of the day


You're 2 for 2 acro.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 10:20 GMT
#1748
On March 04 2019 07:29 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.

Acro is town.

Wave, oats I'm on board with.

Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.

Chez also a no. He seems fine.

LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.

Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.


Mate you really are mafia lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 11:05 GMT
#1760
On March 04 2019 19:35 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:20 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:29 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.

Acro is town.

Wave, oats I'm on board with.

Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.

Chez also a no. He seems fine.

LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.

Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.


Mate you really are mafia lol

?

He's pointing out you seem to have switched opinions on rayn

I have. The longer rayn goes without shitting up the thread the more I suspect him of scummy shenanigans.

That's not to say scumrayn isn't an abusive asshole. He's generally more tunnelly as scum than as town, at least in my obviously imperfect recollection. But rayn is being uncharacteristically passive and the longer it goes the more I suspect him.

Town rayn shits up the thread trying to find scum. Scum rayn shits up the thread for the sake of shitting up the thread. But rayn never doesn't shut up the thread. New behavior is weird. And probably scum weird.


Why does rayn's activity have anything to do with his alignment? Palmar should also know this, and it's why he's mafia because it's a poor excuse to scum read rayn when there's plenty of other reasons to.

Rayn works long hours so often goes long times without activity. The last thing he did when he was here was shit up the thread. This is a poor flip flop acro.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 11:23 GMT
#1770
Just keep me as mayor and palmar dies, easy life mocsta.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 11:23 GMT
#1771
The whole acro/palmar interactions feel really bad to me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:20 GMT
#1875
Palmar gonna get mayor lynched

For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:27 GMT
#1878
On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:
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On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar gonna get mayor lynched

For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever.


Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic?


I think he's mafia. I also think that's exactly the reason his mayoral wagon gained any traction whatsoever. Why would I not want to lynch my mafia read and give the most information to the game possible?

Before I said anything he hadn't even had a real scum read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:28 GMT
#1879
If you don't like it then don't vote me for mayor and campaign against me. Simple as that mister.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:37 GMT
#1886
On March 05 2019 00:30 Vivax wrote:
I think you should cancel the flight, go to a coffee shop and try something else than what you've been smoking so far.

Who the fuck is supposed to be mafia on the Palmar for mayor wagon?


Almost the entire palmar wagon is/was full of the sketchiest people in this game:

Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Maepak_Zipphh, Chezinu, Acrofales, Vivax, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Grackaroni

Palmar - mafia

Tt - his logic confused me all game, think he's a bit towny now but he was only on the palmar wagon to spite me

Mz - dude was under suspicion all game

Chezinu - I think is mafia, given plenty of reasons for it

Acro - his new contradiction on rayn is bad, his whole interaction with palmar seems incredibly faked like he's gagging for any excuse to vote him as mayor again

Vivax - only thing you've said all game really is to lynch one person and nobody has been listening to it so plz do something because I have no idea what you are. Guess your resistance to me killing palmar seems a bit towny even if he's mafia

Ls - dude is v likely mafia. Still no scum reads and all these sad posts look drawn out and boring

Wave - literally waving from the shadows

Mocsta - was scummy, has seemingly forgotten everything he agreed with for scum reading palmar and his qq to agree with palmar or something if I remember that correctly?

Wiggles - voting me now he's legit

Grack - this dude looks scummy af too


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:47 GMT
#1895
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like in HF's head:
'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'

Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'


Never said you're all scum but you sure are all scummy. I'm sure if sentinel is town then mafia has probably thought he's blue. They definitely couldn't trust me to follow through with a policy in comparison to palmar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 15:56 GMT
#1905
On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that


What are you talking about?

He either copied a pm from the host or forged one:

On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?

On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw



Yeah but YOURS.

On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw


I responded to your joke with a joke.

On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.


I made this argument first btw.

On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw

Now apologize for playing anti town.

I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.

Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.


He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.

Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:

a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it.
b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".

I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.

Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.


I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.



No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.

It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).

Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is

c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.

I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.

I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).

Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.

On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.


It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.

I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:

Some people were kinda suspicious of LS
I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town
Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS
Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)

So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.

It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.

You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.


LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.

I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.


The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 16:00 GMT
#1910
On March 05 2019 00:57 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that


What are you talking about?

He either copied a pm from the host or forged one:

On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?

On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw



Yeah but YOURS.

On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw


I responded to your joke with a joke.

On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.


I made this argument first btw.

On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw

Now apologize for playing anti town.

I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.

Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.


He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.

Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:

a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it.
b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".

I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.

Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.


I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.



No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.

It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).

Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is

c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.

I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.

I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).

Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.

On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.


It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.

I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:

Some people were kinda suspicious of LS
I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town
Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS
Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)

So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.

It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.

You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.


LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.

I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.


The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol


Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree


On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,

I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.

So here we go,

The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.

However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.

He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.

There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.

I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.

However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.


This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying.


Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise


Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying


Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary.


I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^

But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><

On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,

I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.

So here we go,

The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.

However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.

He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.

There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.

I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.

However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.


They quite literally think the opposite. Prepare to die Palmar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 16:00 GMT
#1911
On March 05 2019 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does ls needlessly martyr as scum? Usually a townie thing to do


He has done it as mafia to emulate his town play, yes.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 04 2019 16:11 GMT
#1930
On March 05 2019 01:09 Palmar wrote:
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On March 05 2019 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:57 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:54 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that


What are you talking about?

He either copied a pm from the host or forged one:

On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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[quote]


Yeah but YOURS.

On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw


I responded to your joke with a joke.

On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.


I made this argument first btw.

On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:
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Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.


He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.

Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:

a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it.
b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".

I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.

Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.


I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.



No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.

It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).

Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is

c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.

I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.

I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).

Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.

On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.


It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.

I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:

Some people were kinda suspicious of LS
I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town
Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS
Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)

So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.

It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.

You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.


LS is weird, bunch of us know him very well, that whole bunch seems to think he's town.

I can't explain a read based on just knowing a person.


The whole bunch seem to think the complete opposite lol


Well, Damdred, rsoultin and I all agree


On March 04 2019 07:03 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:01 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:58 Damdred wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:56 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,

I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.

So here we go,

The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.

However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.

He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.

There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.

I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.

However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.


This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying.


Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise


Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying


Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary.


I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^

But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><

On March 04 2019 06:52 Damdred wrote:
@sen,

I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.

So here we go,

The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.

However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.

He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.

There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.

I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.

However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.


They quite literally think the opposite. Prepare to die Palmar.


By the way:

Holyflare knows me mistaking earlier positions of rsoultin and Damdred from here:

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On March 02 2019 16:57 rsoultin wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote:
LS is town, that is all.

More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.


Not sure if this makes you town or just stating the obvious lol


and not realizing they had changed their view, is actually not scummy at all. It simply means I haven't read or followed every post in the thread. I'm just as likely to make that mistake as town and scum, and again, HF is perfectly aware of this.

I'm like 90% sure he's just posturing, but in case he is not, if something like this is what he justifies lynching me on, that's only mafia HF play.


I've made plenty of posts as to why you're mafia. You're the one pre-empting anything. People know I'll mayor you so you don't need to excuse your mafia ignorance. If they don't want you dead they shouldn't vote me.
Holyflare
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March 04 2019 16:12 GMT
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On March 05 2019 01:09 Tumblewood wrote:
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On March 05 2019 01:03 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 05 2019 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like in HF's head:
'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'

Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'

i did mean you were scum when i said you made an awful bad post earlier. however i love this post and some others today have been good so i no longer think scum

actually i take this back. it made me laugh but why would mafia ever ever want to install a town!palmar as a mayor?
this does not help wave’s logic, but i suppose mafia do not want town!HF as mayor either, and his wagon is IMO scummier than palmar’s. but forget those two, iamp’s wagon is all town except maybe damdy or rayn.


Who on it is scummier than Palmar's? Imo it's incredibly clean.
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