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On March 08 2019 02:33 LightningStrike wrote: Just a funny thought but what there is a mafia traitor even though it not listed in the op? Was this just coincidence, faithful listener? | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:25 LightningStrike wrote: Wiggles my own post about the traitor is actually making me laughing so hard irl my stomuch hurts lol. I remember someone mentioned it and now I'm WIFOMing over if it was a coincidence or a fish hahahaha What a game this is XD | ||
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On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way. Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims. | ||
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On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote: Deadzone wiggles. I would contest its a scum-favoured role. Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times. There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible. Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago. Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro? Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets. | ||
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On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: We don’t lynch the claims because it makes 0 sense for the claims to actually claim On March 11 2019 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Like fake claim sorry On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy We agree with this sentiment. If Acro was fake-claiming and had some other kind of vig/KP role, there's basically no reason to come out with that explanation. Further, if the role was a lie as town or scum, there were several better targets for a KP on N2. As scum, he doesn't necessarily have to claim the KP, and could have kept it a secret. On the other hand, killing Damdred doesn't exactly scream scum motivation, especially if the role claim is truthful. That's why the claim comes out as a wash for your host, and we prefer to base our read on Acro based on his past behaviour. We agree lynching into him would be silly. We hope that sometimes listener Ace will come to his senses about this matter. | ||
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On March 11 2019 15:20 Chezinu wrote: Deadzone wiggles, Your art of words have spoken to me. You words gave me second thought to attaching an explosive message along with this letter. I know you cherish the letters delivered to you. I am sure they will be secured in your heart. I shall give you a C and I will look into the R as someone had suggested. Sweet dreams, ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vDCUUiL.png?2) Chezinu Isunizehc It appears that the bomb threat situation has been resolved peacefully, with Chezinu being swayed by the wise words of your faithful host. While we will be sure to exercise due diligence in carefully inspecting any packages received in the future, we are glad to say that we have moved back into our previous broadcasting studio. Feels like home! | ||
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On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote: Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts: 1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now? 2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154 For Ace's point 1), your host is not sure exactly what to make of the game balance given the claimed roles. We had 3 claimed vigis, one confirmed now on flip, and another having shot publicly in thread. Acro has no counter claim, so we might as well consider his KP confirmed if not his role as well. FF has claimed hatter and Chezinu has claimed Chezinu, so we can maybe go ahead and add another 1.5 KP. That gives us a total of 4.5 KP floating around, what looks like 3 KP per night for mafia, and a couple KP negations in the medic and vet. We can guesstimate at the number of scum and come out with a number like 5-8 or so, and include traitor as about half a scum. If that number of scum's on the higher side, then we can maybe guess that the claimed KP is town aligned. This would help town get through scum and that one of the vigis is delayed seems to suggest that hosts wanted town to be thoughtful about where their KP is going and not just blow everything N1. If that number's on the lower side, then we can guess that mafia probably has their own power roles to make up for it somehow, or that perhaps some of the KP isn't town aligned. Overall, we've only seen one scum flip and a traitor get lynched, so we can't really give a lower bound on the number of mafia. It's also possible that we could still have some other power roles kicking around that haven't felt a need to claim and are instead silently protecting and guiding the town. Depending on how things shake out, it could be worth looking into the claimed but unconfirmed alignment roles later on in the game. I don't personally feel the need to jump on that right now though. As for Ace's point 2), we think that the rest of his case against Acro is very heavily based on post-flip analysis of votes and kills. It seems to rest on the assumption that scum are targeting town based on who the townie in question was pushing. Based on our own analysis of the kills here at the Dead Zone Show, it seems like a lot of the kills have been aimed at active town players who were publicly demonstrating their townieness. Anyone who starts to look too green and gets consensus behind them seems to be cut down pretty much immediately by scum. We think this theory explains some of the weirder kills. It looks like scum's trying to stop a town circle from forming. This suggests that they've probably got a disproportionate number of members at the outskirts of the game, or in the people who have been trying but failing to join the town circle. We've had one full scum death, and from what your host remembers of the thread it wasn't really the case that anyone pushing BC always ended up with a bullet in them. This seems to support our argument that scum aren't necessarily going after people based only on reads. Looking back at the kills, they seem to fit this model, with the only real outliers being Rayn and TT. TT was looking townie to us here at the show, but there wasn't necessarily a strong sentiment of this expressed in the thread. Given the above, we think that basing a case on Acro with the kind of flip associations Ace was making is a bust. If the case isn't based mostly on in thread behaviour, it's probably not solid. | ||
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On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote: I think Tubesock is highly suspicious just for the fact that nobody, and I mean literally nobody IIRC, has brought him up for lynch. The above sentiment saddens those of us here at the Dead Zone Show. Even though we've decided to devote our lives to late night radio, we still like to think of ourselves as people worthy of consideration. Radio hosts are people too!  With that being said, here's what your host had to say about Tubesock on D3: On March 11 2019 05:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LightningStrike writes in: Your host's vote on Tubesock was made because we want to lynch scum. The fact that TS has gone AFK is starting to put us off a bit like with Chezinu yesterday, but we believe our previous read is solid. Here is our collection of past Dead Zone Show clips where we talk about Tubesock: + Show Spoiler [Dead Zone Show Archives] + On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though. Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch. We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town. On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in: This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo! On March 09 2019 19:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Acro writes in some thing about us having a weird interaction ewith Tubesock. We say that the distinction here is that Tubesock thinks that your faithful host's behaviour is similar to his own, but we do not agreee with that. We see TS as lacking in scum hunting or professing reads. It's D3 and we have only a faint idea of what the gentlyeperson in question actually thjinks. As town that's a pretyy big WTF. There's no reason to lay low and keep your cards close to your chest at this point. We're playing mafia, not poker. Seems way more likely to be scum motivated as not contributing reads or solving the game allows you to not get caught in a contradiction or take pressure for your views lqter on. You might take heat for not helping town out (like I've been trying to do to TS) but otherwise you can keep laying low and hope town passes over your redness. So for Acro's point, I don't see our play as the same. That's why I can say that Ts' thing about replacing me with him in my case makes him scum. He supposedly agrees that the main thrust of what I wrote points to scum, but tries to undermine it by sayoing it could point to me as well. I don't think our play is the same, so I don't believe you can honestly do the replacement. In that case, he's just saying that his own play is scummy, but that I shouldn't gibe him crap for it since he thinks I'm doing the same, which I'm not. Voting this guy to die If we're looking to kill scummy lurkers, I think TS should be the #1 choice. I implore my listeners to follow my lead and vote to kill this guy. If not, they can at least argue why I'm wrong. snip... Altogether, this is enough that I'll vote for Chezinu closer to the deadline if I need to save Ace, but I'd rather we kill Tubesock. We are gladdened to see others catching on to the case against Tubesock, even though it appears to be happening subconsciously as opposed to being based on your host's persuasive arguments. We'll be placing out vote there for now, in the hope of flushing him out from wherever he's hiding before bringing him to justice. If it looks like Tubesock has flown the coop, so to speak, we will be voting for another promising scum candidate closer to the deadline. | ||
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On March 12 2019 11:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Pandain not dead after his shot is scummy as fuck to me. Same with Acro. Why was Ace killed ahead of them? There was also plenty of people willing to kill him today. I feel like he was right about something the rest of the thread hadn't bought into so i gotta reread his filter. Our own explanation for this from those of us here at the show is that the only claimed vigilante who had a full-on alignment confirmation was TW, since they took out the dastardly BC in a magnificent display of brutal street justice. People have (rightfully) been considering that either of Pandain or Acrofales could be scum, regardless of their role. Ace was also pushing that one of the vigis could be scum, and was using it in part to push Acrofales as a lynch. By killing Ace and leaving the two non-town-confirmed vigis alive, maybe scum are pushing to try to lynch into them? It seems a lot like bait to try to get an Acrofales lynch going. | ||
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Beyond that, he seems to float where the wind takes him, without providing any substance of his own. | ||
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We here at the Dead Zone Show would like to reach out to LightningStrike and Oatsmaster for comment. Could you please expand on this point for our fine citizens listening at home? We believe the question of whether scum knew about Sentinel's treacherous qualities is relevant to the case of the mysterious drifter known as Onegu. After the Sentinel lynch Onegu was quick to come in and passionately throw around the idea that scum had no idea who Sentinel was. We don't know how they could be so sure of that fact. Wouldn't only scum know for certain? As scum that could be a misdirection play to keep town from focusing more on the other D3 wagons. We eagerly await your response. | ||
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On March 12 2019 14:01 Chezinu wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles. If you are mafia and are roleplaying cause you know it make me want to never lymch you... its working... and then you vote not me... making want to save .myself more... We accept the high praise given to our show here, and wish to express that we continue our work on the Dead Zone Show purely for the enjoyment of ourselves and others here in Liquidia. These are dark times, perhaps the end of times, and we are grateful for any smile or laugh we can bring to our listeners. At this point, we doubt that Chezinu had any bombs to begin with, and think instead that his threats were meant to lash out at a cold uncaring town that was willing to lynch some of its most vulnerable citizens living out on the streets. We at the show were happy to get Chezinu back on his feet, given his desire to save himself, but when we visited for a checkup earlier today, he was nowhere to be found. We hope that he has not fallen back into his old evil ways. We can only do so much to help him, and at a certain point it is up to himself to demonstrate his townieness to his accusers, or else finally face the noose. | ||
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On March 12 2019 08:00 kitaman27 wrote: Day 4 I would include some flavor text here, but it got delayed. Tumblewood the Town Delayed Vigilante has died. (Cannot shoot on first night. Single bullet.) Tictock the Vanilla Townie has died. Ace the Vanilla Townie has died. You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record For the less astute amongst you, we direct your attention towards the dates and times highlighted above in red. As we can clearly see, local demolitions expert Fecalfeast made his post regarding the placement of explosives under Chezinu's cardboard box over an hour after the daily news had been delivered. Therefore, the timeline positing that scum were able to see where Fecalfeast had decided to lay his bombs before deciding whether to shoot him is incorrect. Overall, we are saddened by yet another lynch partially driven by incorrect facts. We recall when people were pushing for Chezinu's death last cycle based on the claim that a 'Lurker Vigilante' would need to have at least one scum in their list despite Acrofales having given a clear description of how the targets had been chosen. The fact that dearly departed Ace had latched on to that piece of misinformation shows that even the best amongst us can fall victim to not reading the danged thread. | ||
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On March 13 2019 11:15 LightningStrike wrote: Dear faithful host: What you think of Moscta's KP stuff from this page? Sincerely, LS Your host is not sure exactly how we're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets that were provided by local accountant turned crime fighter, Mocsta. For the original analysis, we at the show will assume the simplest solution until evidence to the contrary surfaces:
Given Mocsta's post (included for reference), this would be Option 2, Option 1, Option 1 for the nights. + Show Spoiler [Mocsta's Treatise on Scum and th…] + On March 13 2019 08:36 Mocsta wrote: Sorry if this has been covered, but how do we explain 3KP on N3? 2 scummers dead = 1KP reduction N1 = Cop, Vet, VT Claims: Nil Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 4KP (Scum) - 2shots on Iamp Option 2 = 3KP (Scum) - RB on iamp Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (3P) - Scum + 3P shoot iamp [b]N2 = VT, VT, VT, VT, RB[b/] Claims: Lurker Vig, Delayed Vig Scum KP: Max (3 or 4) Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Lurker Vig) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 2 = 4KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) Option 3 = 3KP (Scum) + 1KP (Delayed Vig) + 1KP (3P) D3 = VT Claims: Dayvig N3 = Ace, Vig, VT Scum KP: Max -1 (2 or 3) Claims: Nil Option 1 = 3KP (Scum) Option 2 = 2KP Scum) + 1KP (3P) Analysing N3 If option 1 applies (3KP), then, scum had 4KP on N1 + N2; OR a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. If option 2 applies (2KP), then scum had 3KP on N1 + N2 AND a 3P is in play. No matter what, Acro lurker vig claim is false. ???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?? | ||
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On March 13 2019 11:45 Fecalfeast wrote: Nobody thought or thinks I claimed before the night post but if I'm counterclaiming someone who do you think im putting my bomb on? We would like to point out at least one person who explicitly thought that FF's target came out before the Day post: On March 12 2019 23:24 Tubesock wrote: In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying. On March 12 2019 23:48 Tubesock wrote: I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct. Given that information about Acro's role had to be repeated several times in thread by multiple people before it was no longer being used to push a Chezinu lynch, we do not consider attention to detail a strong suit of the members of our town, and there are likely more people who have made the same mistake. As for the counter-claim angle, your host was under the impression that you would have put the bomb on your strongest scum read, especially given that the Chezinu claim seemed more likely to be trolling than a serious one. You said this yourself before the day post: On March 11 2019 14:07 Fecalfeast wrote: For the record this is not like my role at all and I'm pretty sire chez is trolling at this point Meanwhile, you had provided the following reads: On March 09 2019 18:08 Fecalfeast wrote: acro is scum, ace is scum, LS is scum On March 11 2019 06:14 Fecalfeast wrote: sicklucker pandain scumteam lol "It's super scummy for a couple reasons but since your role is more likely town IMO (in a game with weird random roles that said it was normal) you're safe..." Seems pretty dismissive On March 11 2019 06:39 Fecalfeast wrote: It's only one person per night and I get the bomb back if i don't die so it's irrelevant but ok N1 i put it on HF N2 I put it on onegu but changed it closer to deadline to ace So, if the bomb placement was based on your reads, it could have been on any of Ace, Onegu, Pandain, SL, LS, Acro, or Chezinu (who you did vote for the lynch). If scum were playing conservatively based on your reads, then any of those (besides Ace) could have been the deterrent to your untimely demise. Lastly, there is this question that we missed before diving your filter: On March 11 2019 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm just wondering how chezinu thought to claim mad hatter you know? Random claim for fun that awkwardly happened to have a counterclaim? Though it shames us to admit it, the delusion of being a bomber was placed in Chezinu's head by none other than your hosts at the Dead Zone Show! On March 10 2019 10:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Is that a vague threat or some kind of hatter claim? I'd rather keep living if I can help it C was a mix of HF and Chezinu and had some darkness in them. HF flipped green, so does that make you the darkness? btw, the new C is LightningStrike. Think it's time for them to take up the mantle? On March 10 2019 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You said the same thing about Vivax apparently: Is this about to turn into a hostage negotiation? It appears to us that Chezinu read our worried question into his threats of violence and ran with it, adopting the moniker of the Brown Bomber and wreaking terror on the citizens of Liquidia. This is why we at least consider the claim to be bunk, since it came out after we put it in Chezinu's head, and the claim had many inconsistencies and things made up about it on the fly. That it resulted in a real blue claim was an unintended side-effect. | ||
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On March 13 2019 12:11 Vivax wrote: Dear Mr. Wiggles, I have meditated upon the fact that so far this game, one role can have multiple variations, as evidenced by Palmars flip. Our lord and saviour kitaman27 has made sure that we could not fully understand his creation in order to be amused by the dabbling of confused heretics. I have therefore decided to temporarily accept Acrofales claim that he is only allowed to use his gun on silent individuals. I have also decided to accept that the Brown Bomber could use a different type of explosive than demolitions expert Fecalfeast, although the name of the latter suggests that he might be a contender for the pseudonym of Brown Bomber. Upon further inspection of the Brown Bombers manifest, I have also not been able to notice maliciousness, rather than a constant state of confusion with intermittent periods of normality. Even noticing my name in it in a manner that looked like a death threat, I have attributed it to the belief that his intention was not to kill me for believing I was a killer in the night, but rather in order to rank up in the OP. Your scrutiny of the claims that the brown bomber being alive is only due to the fact that he himself is a killer in the night is convincing me to campaign to delay his execution. My interest for today's execution is instead slowly shifting to a smelly pipe I have for far too long endured. I have been wondering where this foul odor that has been plaguing the town was coming from, and have realized that it smelled like my shoes after a long day of trekking. Upon gazing into the pipe and being greeted by pitch black darkness, I was also assailed by a foul smell of rotting flesh and old socks. I suspect the nightly disappearances are being hoarded in there by a vile creature that I had the liberty of coining tubesock. We fully endorse this message, and will be calling in Liquidia police to begin a search through this network of underground pipes in the hope that they can flush out the insidious being calling them its home. It's long past due to hang this dirty piece of laundry out to dry! | ||
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