MZ
Ace
Sentinel
Oats is there or thereabouts too but I need to take another look I think.
Acrofales was a strong town read but he's confused me a bit today but more on that later.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 06 2019 15:16 GMT
#4269
MZ Ace Sentinel Oats is there or thereabouts too but I need to take another look I think. Acrofales was a strong town read but he's confused me a bit today but more on that later. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 06 2019 15:43 GMT
#4286
On March 07 2019 00:37 Vivax wrote: Rayn mocsta HF rsoultin jock TS +1 unknown (Oats?Wiggles?Sentinel?) Could it really be that easy ? Is this your first game too? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 09:07 GMT
#4869
On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 09:11 GMT
#4871
On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote: On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment. So why did you stop trying to sound town? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 09:22 GMT
#4875
On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 09:34 GMT
#4881
On March 07 2019 18:26 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote: So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway? ExO and Ace are both suspicious for thinking i'm town and being kind to me when I was actively martyring Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly. Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing. Is it fair to characterize your day 1/night 1 activity as follows? As town: High risk for you - medium risk for town team - some reward for you - no reward for town team As scum: High risk for you - high risk for scum team - high reward for both you and scum team. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 13:32 GMT
#4982
The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: Show nested quote + On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 13:41 GMT
#4995
On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 14:06 GMT
#5031
On March 07 2019 23:04 Holyflare wrote: Ace and BC have fabricated cases on me. Marv definitely wouldn't be voting for me. Palmar would be alive so definitely wouldn't. He's bad anyway, he got lynched d1. Koshi no fucking idea, he's a loose cannon. I'd reckon he'd say "that hf lynch was so bad. SO bad. He must be town cos hf is bad as town." How are you reading BH right now? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 16:00 GMT
#5104
On March 08 2019 00:59 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 08 2019 00:57 Alakaslam wrote: On March 08 2019 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 08 2019 00:55 Alakaslam wrote: On March 08 2019 00:50 Holyflare wrote: On March 08 2019 00:33 Alakaslam wrote: On March 07 2019 23:31 Holyflare wrote: Also if you want to know why I've got not much in terms of scum reads the game started when I was on holiday and I was off work Tuesday so yesterday onwards I've just been skimming in the office and not doing much in terms of formulating reads in comparison to the start of the game. You have put so much effort into survival that I don’t expect it from you, I Vote you for entirely different reasons. If you are somehow town in all this: Stop shitting up the thread and making it even more inhospitable to low activity players Start doing what you just said here so you can start looking town by being town I.E. lurk silently for a long while until you have something of value. Hahahaha no man this is me and I'm not changing me. Why would I sit idly lurking when I'm getting lynched. You know that is never me and will never be me. Which is why you need to be lynched; you are ruining the game. he is ruining the game because of? Overposting without changing the subject. AFAIK he isn’t even the leading lynch anymore and he will talk about nothing else I strongly believe you to be scum with him too Why is he ruining the game if he is scum? Because it fits with his wind condition ahahahaha. great typo | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 16:04 GMT
#5111
On March 08 2019 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: slam is being coached in scum qt Why do you say this? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 16:50 GMT
#5175
On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier. I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out. Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 17:35 GMT
#5224
On March 08 2019 01:57 rsoultin wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier. I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out. Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything. I agree. I just don't see him ever being lynched over HF, BH or alternatively a low-posting lurker like ExO_ if people decided they don't want to lynch the former two. And honestly I'm not really too interested in lynching someone I don't strongly feel is scum? Cause I think BH has a slightly larger chance of flipping town than scum but I wouldn't wager a so much as a quarter on it lol >< I'd like to lynch Rels but people think his role makes him town and arguing till I'm blue in the face that he's not talking to me when he masoned me which he seemed eager to do is probably not going to get me anywhere. In part because people aren't experiencing what I am and in part because it's kind of tonal anyway. Excite -> not solving game with me. Also I'd feel a bit like a dick if he's a townie with no time and was just being nice so maybe I should have let it slide and see what he did later >< thing is I'm not sure how long this thing lasts and I don't expect to survive N2 anyway. I've just had a quick look through his filter and I think meta information might be useful. Is he always this nice? Most other people in here have got aggressive once or twice. I'm not seeing alot of specifically scummy posts or mistakes really, just a feeling that his posts aren't coming from where we're supposed to think they are. I don't know if he's a lynch candidate (yet), but you seem pretty sure after the QT thing.. On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote: this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it. Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think. So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE This post in particular seems like an odd idea. I can't figure out the real motivation behind it. Rels if you're going to lynch someone as active as hf, why delay until later so they can cause some chaos? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 07 2019 19:11 GMT
#5331
On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing. You know what always cheers me up? Sifaka lemurs: + Show Spoiler + Look at em. Lovely things. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 03:10 GMT
#5786
On March 08 2019 07:45 Holyflare wrote: Guess I'll get one with my reads thing: Jockmcplop Show nested quote + On March 04 2019 22:23 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 04 2019 22:17 Mocsta wrote: hmmm. Im not keen on my unvote. I didnt have a problem with oats, and hes now 2nd wagon. acro - you were iffy on trfel. you still prefer oats > trfel? I don't have a read on trfel. I can probably be convinced to switch if there's a good reason. I really don't like the idea of lynching acrofales. No read on Trfel Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? Essentially gives a reason for Trfel not to be scum Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. This vote doesn't make sense in the slightest. He doesn't have a read on Trfel, says a reason for him not to be mafia and votes Trfel because other people have reads on him. Town reads me at some point. No mention of BH No mention of BH No mention of BH Show nested quote + When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip. BH was kept alive because he was interesting but BH never featured in any reads list he posted. Show nested quote + On March 06 2019 18:34 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote: On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town Are you going to start engaging properly with the game now? FWIW I think you're town. Do you have any reads other than hf? What's your thinking on ace? Thinks BH is town with nothing in between? Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote: On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote: On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote: On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote: BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment. So why did you stop trying to sound town? Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote: On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly. Questions BH, says it's a ballsy play as scum and then: Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby scum reads BH don't get me wrong, it's all true but it still seems a bit of a weird 180 when BH hasn't done anything new that he hadn't been already doing Show nested quote + On March 07 2019 22:41 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 07 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote: On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence. The best example of this is the following post: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence. He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage. On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case: On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me? Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum. In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it: 1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF? Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game. That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town. seems like a pretty big scum read on BH Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 01:50 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 08 2019 01:17 rsoultin wrote: Actually, if we're looking for people over-justifying votes I'd say Jock qualifies. Caveat is I think he was planning on looking into BH earlier. I've said that since I voted for trfel on the first night. I wanted to see more from BH to see what he's all about. I have done, but I still don't know who to vote for tonight so I'm keeping an eye out. Ace is still a good candidate... turning up with his one word replies pointing out other people's mistakes while keeping his mouth pretty much shut about everything. but then says he doesn't know who to vote for and maybe vote for Ace?????????? (who is also another good pick for mafia but it's just a weird thought process when you think BH is mafia???) Conclusion: Says a lot of stuff that appeals to me but it's his first game, he's got a 100% town read on me after meta reading?????? (read his filter with regards to me and thinking my alignment is town through the read and you'll become suspicious) and scum reads BH and is unsure of who to vote? Honestly if you read his filter it looks like he's playing with perfect info and knows alignments of people when he talks about them but I feel bad because he's also defending me and I like the guy. Don't take this the wrong way but scumreading me while apologizing because I'm new is condescending af. If you think I'm scum just lay it out there don't apologize for it. you say this: This vote doesn't make sense in the slightest. He doesn't have a read on Trfel, says a reason for him not to be mafia and votes Trfel because other people have reads on him. Town reads me at some point. No mention of BH No mention of BH No mention of BH The vote makes sense and I'll refer you back to your own post as to why. Find this quote of yours that I'm replying to and move your eyes down the page about an inch. There it is! I voted trfel because acro had quite a few votes and I was wondering how deep the shenanigans go and EoD here. I wanted to keep acro alive because he seems the most town out of anyone here (or did tome at the time). Why not mention of BH? Well at this point all he had done is ask to die. I wanted to see what happened when he stopped asking to die. What would he do? Then I could read him. You're right I did scumread BH. Honestly I ended up going for an impropmtu night out which took us past the deadline. My plan was to keep my vote on Ace and switch to a wagon if required,but fuck me if I didn't get wasted and only got home 15 minutes ago. Its quote convenient that a TMI read on me from you automatically exonerates you from being scum though. 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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 09:54 GMT
#5845
For Ace Being scum Or dumb Its incredibly easy for anyone to see that ace is scum. He only has a 4 page filter and most of it is literally useless, apart from one obvious wagon that he can sink all of his reasonable looking posts into. 1: 1 word answers and anti discussion posting The following is a list of just a few the times Ace simply quotes something questionable and puts a single word there or something obviously designed to avoid people coming back to him and asking questions about it. Its effective, because no=one ever does that and he gets away with artificially inflating his post count for basically doing nothing. On March 05 2019 06:51 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 05 2019 06:37 Koshi wrote: On March 05 2019 06:33 Holyflare wrote: On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote: On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet. Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia. Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better. Still no comprendo. Me no speak English. He wants you to pad his ego. Hey ace why koshi? Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD. discussion killer here. On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote: On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. Asks the question but isn't there to answer it. No detail just an accusation. Doesn't bring it up again. On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible. @Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. Again there's nothing useful here just poking holes in posts. On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2019 10:24 Holyflare wrote: On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible. @Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace. Holyflare (15): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_ Thanks. Add some more colors to my name. I love variety. Nothing post On March 07 2019 13:43 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2019 17:19 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC" HMMMMMM Also you're one of those HF lurker voters... On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote: On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start @jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes. You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters. Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job. Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking... So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either). You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him. Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it. When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip. yikes Show nested quote + On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too. What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice. You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance. I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned. R.O.F.L. That second bolded though. Explain. Really :D. I don't see how a person who mostly wanted to kill himself would reveal more information on someone with strong opinions and an actual action we can tie to them. Show nested quote + On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote: On March 06 2019 17:28 Mocsta wrote: Hf Some point this cycle. Preferably after ace responds. I want ur take on my ace case I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia. You definitely did not read Mocsta's post then. How many accusations did I make, to whom?, and how would you know they are false? 3 nothing posts in one. 1: no scumhunting Ace has done no scumhunting. You can't call jumping on the obvious hf wagon and pushing that one kill scumhunting, it isn't, its hiding while posting. In sea of thousands of 'lynch hf' posts its hard to even notice ace's posts. Can anyone remember any of them specifically? Its a camouflage. Over the course of the entire game, he has accused 3 people of being scum. HF: All of his posts that contain any detail at all are about hf. Most of them add nothing new to the discussion and just hang there like little grapes in a big ol basket of fruit. Myself: He says I'm an obvious vigi shoot (I was voting to lynch him at the time). That's all BC: Calls him scumcobbler at one point and posts a single sentence after a post he didn't like. Its fair to say that there's no actual content here, but importantly the hf stuff gives the illusion of content, but its all just nothing. 3: Staying silent instead of defending himself Ace ha been accused of being scum by multiple people on multiple occasions, and the only one time he has remotely defended himself was to say that he doesn't use meta in his play. Otherwise he's perfectly happy to stay silent. If he's town why doesn't he want people to know he's town? Why is he acting so weird and only putting out the most basic timewasting posts? Because he's in the mafia. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 10:02 GMT
#5848
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 10:08 GMT
#5850
On March 08 2019 19:07 Pandain wrote: Anyone five pages or less. At first glance that seems to be Onegu, BC, Ticktock, TW, SL, Damdred, exo, sentinel, tubesock, darthfolely, and wiggles. Don't forget ace! That's a good list to me teeth into. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 10:10 GMT
#5852
On March 08 2019 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain. I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn. If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes. PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies Is this a real thing? Can anyone else confirm? | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8748 Posts
March 08 2019 10:15 GMT
#5854
Says he's going to be busy all week. Don't know what to think of him. Does anyone have a case on him? | ||
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