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On March 12 2019 08:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 08:28 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote:
I think Tubesock is highly suspicious just for the fact that nobody, and I mean literally nobody IIRC, has brought him up for lynch. On March 12 2019 03:54 Vivax wrote:
It's like he doesn't exist, he's in that sweet blind lurker spot. On March 12 2019 03:55 Vivax wrote:
If I were mafia against a town Tubesock, I'd push the living shit out of him provided I'd actually be posting as mafia. Yeah this is legit. I completely forgot about him as well. ##Vote: Tubesock What's hilarious is that he doesn't appear in most reads lists. The only point in his favour speaking for being straight out not able to play is the non-voting I guess. Acro looking at your reads list, why did you demote TS from town to null? I remember you speaking up for him.
I did and I may again. He dropped down to null, because I don't remember a single thing he did during D3 and didn't reread.
The NKs are weird because it is leaving a bunch of confirmed blues alive. And if shooting townies for the sake of it, I don't understand why Vivax or Oats outlived TT. I would put myself in both categories, so was absolutely expecting to die. Maybe scum are trying to dodge a medic protection? But TW was also a very likely target for a medic.
I'll read some more filters, including TS. For now, I like
##vote: MZ
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On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote:
I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like.
No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker
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On March 12 2019 18:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote:
I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like. No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker Im here... Not lurking...
Insofar as I have seen, your main push on Chez came from misinterpreting my role. Me explaining how it worked ended with you still saying Chez is scum for non-definite reasons.
Now I still have no fucking idea what the hell alignment the brown one is this game, but I really don't trust your intentions right now.
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On March 12 2019 18:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 18:46 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:40 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote:
I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like. No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker Im here... Not lurking... Insofar as I have seen, your main push on Chez came from misinterpreting my role. Me explaining how it worked ended with you still saying Chez is scum for non-definite reasons. Now I still have no fucking idea what the hell alignment the brown one is this game, but I really don't trust your intentions right now. Right now I think its really doubtful there are 2 mad hatters. Other then that I think he needs to flip for info on the wagons yesterday.
Why is Chez the fake hatter then? Also, they claimed different roles. In fact, I'm not sure Chez claimed hatter at all. His claim was weird. FF claimed a pretty traditional, coherent hatter and I intuitively trust counterclaims more, because scum prefer not to be in 1:1 situations until lylo.
But this game has been very weird. I definitely want to hear more from Chez. I don't want to lynch him for more information on the wagons, which is the retarded reason people killed BH. Let's NOT do that again. We kill scum today.
Darth Foley and Meapack look a lot worse than chezinu. And looking into tubesock and slam today too.
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On March 12 2019 18:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2019 18:47 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 18:46 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:40 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote:
I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like. No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker Im here... Not lurking... Insofar as I have seen, your main push on Chez came from misinterpreting my role. Me explaining how it worked ended with you still saying Chez is scum for non-definite reasons. Now I still have no fucking idea what the hell alignment the brown one is this game, but I really don't trust your intentions right now. Right now I think its really doubtful there are 2 mad hatters. Other then that I think he needs to flip for info on the wagons yesterday. If chez flips town what does that tell us about the wagons yesterday? It basically makes pandain confirmed town. Makes anyone on the chez wagon look bad.
Pandain is already confirmed town. Chez wasn't the lynch target by EoD, town was slowly plodding its way to an Ace (TOWN) lynch. Which would probably have put us at l/mylo today. Instead, we lynched scum and have some good prospects for more scummers.
If you want to lynch people for their voting behaviour yesterday, here are your targets:
On March 11 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote:
#Vote: Ace
On March 11 2019 07:50 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ace
And I'm not giving MZ a pass, because he jumped on sooo late and for such shitty reasons that it didn't matter anymore:
On March 11 2019 07:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##unvote: wiggles
Vote: Sentinel
Sicklucker just looked very very weird:
On March 11 2019 07:59 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote chezinu
Of these, I still think vivax is town, and SL looks like town doing his own weird shit. DF looks even worse than he did yesterday, and MZ doesn't look any better.
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On March 12 2019 19:24 Pandain wrote:
Acro you think it's possible there are two mad hatters? I have been going back and forth on the issue.
I'm not sure. I'm not even sure chez is claiming hatter. He seems confused about it:
On March 10 2019 15:51 Chezinu wrote:Come on.. think about it... if I was a mad hatter, wouldn't I be talking to ticktock all game?
On March 11 2019 12:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 10:46 Ace wrote:
As of now we have these claimed roles. If any of the information is wrong let me know.
1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed
1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales
Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast
Mad Hatter - Chezinu
Day Vigilante - Pandain
Known roles:
Marv = Cop
Trfel = Doctor
Palmar = Backup Cop
iamperfection = Veteran
BC = Scum Roleblocker
With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds.
Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow.
With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker.
No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB.
So I just don't buy all of these claims.
Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more.
TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town.
FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante.
I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town.
So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me.
Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon.
Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow.
I believe you are wrong about your Chezinu Role Claim. I know... he is hard to read.
On March 11 2019 13:07 Chezinu wrote:
hmm...
Is it too late to role claim that I'm a Bank?
On March 11 2019 13:11 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote:
Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. Wtf role si this? Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote:
Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 16:02 Incognito wrote:
Mad Hatter
You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while the you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!! We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives!
None of this makes any sense. And I am averse to just lynching chez for not making sense, because it isn't *scummy* to not make sense. It's just... nonsensical.
Like. What possible reason does chez have to claim mad hatter as scum? He was under pressure, and I guess it was a claim people might believe, and especially had low chance of being counterclaimed (hatter isn't a very common role here). But then why claim some kind of bizarro hatter where he doesn't even know how it works. Chez has been around long enough to put together a believable claim, and this really wasn't it.
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Ok, read tubesock.
The earlygame town reads are still there:
On March 02 2019 16:59 Tubesock wrote:
I like Chez because he’s entertaining.
I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie.
This entry to the thread oozes town to me. He looks really bubbly. I know, scum can also be happy to be playing an awesome game of mafia, but this feels like town to me.
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote:
There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch. I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you! Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace? That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said. You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
This response to pressure seems very natural. Just a "let me do my thing", not getting nervous about it. Never played with tubesock before, but the "just back off mate and I'll do my scumhunting" is generally a pretty townie response to pressure.
Minor red flag here:
On March 03 2019 18:33 Tubesock wrote:Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit.
I don't get the impression that he thinks Palmar is scum (or town. he hasn't really made up his mind either way at this point, I don't think). He mainly thinks it'd be fun to kill Palmar. However, killing town!Palmar is apparently a hobby for some here (see HF), and TS was proposing this before it was the cool thing to do.
On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game.
This post might have some TMI. I know I didn't like Oats calling over half the game scum with no backup reasoning. Or he might just have a long history of playing with Oats and meta read him off that.
@Oats: what do you think here? Levelheaded townie with a meta read on you? Or scum buddying you here?
D2 onwards: Tube kinda just stops playing.
On March 08 2019 03:32 Tubesock wrote:
I don’t see a world we can swap off BH to kill much more likely mafia and not have HF get lynched.
I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game.
Votes BH for damage control. This is the problem with forcing people onto just two wagons: tube is talking about wanting to lynch Ace or me (two more townies, btw), but doesn't dare take his vote off BH or do much of anything. Is this scum just being lacadaisical because it's two town wagons? Or is it a townie scared that his main townread is gonna get wrecked? I can't tell.
And he hasn't posted for 4 days. How are we supposed to read that? I'm inclined to leave him to get modkilled or start playing again.
Don't think it's a good lynch at all.
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On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills.
WoS scumread him
Tina needed a closer look on him
Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum)
Marv didn't say much on him
Koshi was townreading him
Iamp ???????
TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles
Ace: ??????
Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us.
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Why is rels town?
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On March 12 2019 21:28 Onegu wrote:
Tumble, acro, and paindain all vigi? Thats alot of shots for town to fuck themselves... Like imagine if all are town and tumble missed?
I think there is a scum in there...
I don't.
The hatter claims maybe. Still gotta sort out chez vs FF claims. But the vigis seem sorted out.
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On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote:
Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead
Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities:
1. He's mafia himself.
2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them.
I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful.
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On March 12 2019 23:05 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 22:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote:
Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement?
No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town.
I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive.
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On March 12 2019 23:24 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 23:17 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 23:05 Tubesock wrote:On March 12 2019 22:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote:
Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement? No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town. I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive. In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying.
He only claimed the bomb post-flip tho. But I agree with you that it's the obvious play. I'm also trying to make sense of chezinu at all. His whole play since the start of D3 has been a blue-claim and then 100% defense.
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That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town.
FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was:
1. Ace
2. Me
3. LS
Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF.
But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right.
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On March 12 2019 23:31 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 23:07 Onegu wrote:
I dont think I have ever played with pandain. I was scum reading him.
But why does he move the lynch off of Ace if scum? I guess next lvl plays but meh. He isnt getting lynched today so I will just ignore him for today.
He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny.
But why would he go to the trouble?
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On March 13 2019 00:01 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote:
Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition
This post doesn't count.
It's like how chezinu's "seal of townieness" only works as long as people are willing to believe he won't fuck over his own town meta for a single (last) game as scum.
The moment you are super self-aware of your "meta" tells, you try to copy them as scum.
The reason the "seal of townieness" worked was because people were willing to fuck over their team, and just get lynched in any game they were scum, in order to be able to use their "confirmed town" meta play when town. It was, of course, a total cop-out and not quite sure what the site rules said about such play, but it only works if you never post it as scum, and it definitely shouldn't be believable in this "last game".
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Never got around to it, but here goes:
On March 04 2019 18:16 Holyflare wrote:
You can tell who the mafia will be from now on when they say that they are unvoting me.
Unfortunately, I don't think we can.
Mayor standing at that point:
Mayor
Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Maepak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Mocsta
Holyflare (8): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop
iamperfection (6): raynpelikan, iamperfection, Damdred, LightningStrike, darthfoley, Tumblewood
Chezinu (3): sicklucker, ExO_, Chezinu
FecalFeast (1): Fecalfeast
[UoN]Sentinel (1): [UoN]Sentinel
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Close race, with Palmar barely leading. At this point, BOTH their policies were to kill sentinel.
End of day:
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Not Voting (0):
Difference:
HF:
Moved off: Slam, BC
Moved on: Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar:
Moved off: Mocsta
Moved on: Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, BC, Blazinghand
Seems obvious that BC didn't want dirty hands with a Palmar kill. And sentinel is obviously self-preservation. But I don't really know what to make of the rest.
From the general behaviour, my gut says that scum don't know sentinel is scum and aren't trying to protect him by voting HF. They also don't feel like getting their hands dirty lynching Palmar (as evidenced by BC jumping off) despite it being their most desirable outcome. So our best bet is to hunt for people who try to make Palmar look bad, but don't vote HF in D1.
There's probably 1 scum on the HF wagon (beside sentinel), but I don't get the feeling that they really tried here. This was town derping about, imho.
People who judiciously steered clear of both wagons:
darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster, chezinu, onegu, rels
What did these players say about Palmar?
Chezinu:
On March 03 2019 17:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 16:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar zzz this is why the sent push is pointless Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders. And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town. 36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy. And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit? Though props for not being that guy at least. People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO. Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information. Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above. Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1. Oh... I was just going to pretend to think Palmar is townie cause I really think him going after Sent if a really mafia Palmar thing to do if Sent was mafia. Best make the mafia think you don't know to much if you want to survive the night.
This is... pretty terrible. I missed it earlier, but Chezinu clearly doesn't care about who becomes mayor as he sits all by his lonesome on his own mayor wagon. And this is his "read" on Palmar. I am starting to warm up to the Chezinu lynch.
But I wasn't intending to fixate on Chez. Lets move on.
DarthFoley:
On March 05 2019 06:43 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing! I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon. Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers. We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
Throws shade. Does nothing. Also scum. This is too easy!
Oatsmaster
Seems to avoid saying anything about Palmar directly, but not in a scummy way. He's reading the thread, he calls palmar out when he doesn't agree. I don't really see much either way here. Definitely not throwing shade like the above two.
Onegu
Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.
Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).
Rels
Doesn't mention reads on Palmar D1. But his D1 filter is like 7 posts or so, and half of those are fluff. Not mentioning Palmar doesn't seem like a big deal, as he doesn't mention most people. Still a bit suspect.
Conclusions:
DF, Chez and Onegu come away with quite a lot of egg on their face.
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On March 13 2019 02:12 Onegu wrote:
I don’t get
Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.
Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).
Rels was away all of D1 as well. He talks about palmar and discusses what he thinks aobut HF shivving him. You... don't. Searching specifically for any kind of critical thinking about HF dropping a nuke on Palmar gives us:
On March 09 2019 21:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 21:29 Vivax wrote:
Idk why scum killed marv, Koshi and Iamp on N1 over the likes of rayn, HF who were town.
So I went back to reading their opinions before the phase ended and extrapolated something like:
Marv -> mentions acro
Iamp -> Mentions 1gu
Koshi -> Mentions wiggles and sentinel
Could be they were onto something there. I would guess because everyone wanted to lynch HF after is mayor miss... I mean seriously...
On March 09 2019 22:43 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2019 22:42 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 22:38 Onegu wrote:On March 09 2019 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:On March 09 2019 22:12 Onegu wrote:
Or tell me why my logic is bad?
Don't think scum would have a day vig especially when it would instant win in LYLO/MYLO as someone mentioned plus he had replaced out and replsced back in thus less likely chance he's scum I think. This isnt a normal game. Possible scum get a 1 shot on day 3. Why should town make that shot though. Doesnt make sense. Only scum take that shot. Second that is meaningless. Mean I shit I forgot the game started. Get replaced. Come back hey I wanted to play. AMG doesnt want to play scum or some shit comes up. Pandain comes back. HF should always been shot by a vig of any sort though so we had info on the mayor wagon Day 1 and the Day 2 lynch..... Not true at all. Would you have shot him if you had a day vigi? After the flips he was obv town.
There is remarkably little evidence that onegu was trying to figure out what the hell the mayor stuff was all about. This, btw, is the result of cntrl-f HF AND cntrl-f mayor. He isn't even bothering to figure out HF when he's up for lynching on D2...
Also, 0 mention of BH. That's the mayor elections, the fallout thereof and the D2 lynch all completely absent.
And yes, I realize you were legitimately afk. But your catch-up includes no analysis at all of what happened, or how people responded to what happened. It's like you're playing as if the game started at the beginning of D3... which is probably true for scum. Because D1 and D2 was utterly boring for them:
D1 Lynch wagons:
Trfel, BH, Conversion, Acrofales, Iamperfection
D1 Mayor wagons:
HF, Palmar, Iamperfection
All 3 with intentions to kill someone scum (probably) thought was town as well.
D2 Lynch wagons:
BH, HF
Why would scum even feign playing? They didn't have to do *anything*. Town was tearing itself apart. And probably would have continued to do so on D3 if not for those meddling chil... Pandain.
So... yeah. Being afk for the first 7 days (realtime) of the game is a rather convenient excuse if you're scum.
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@mz: you have 5 minutes to push an updated version of your spreadsheet. Time is ticking.
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This should have been easy to update. Where is it?
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