EPTOn March 05 2019 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
Ace why are you trying so hard for someone you don’t know the alignment of?
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On March 05 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Posting exclusively about how we shouldn’t lynch BH in your last like 5 posts Might want to read that carefully champ. I didn't address you or anyone else. Just Blazinghand. | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor. If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar? | ||
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On March 05 2019 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote: He wants you to pad his ego. Hey ace why koshi? Random vote. Got a prod that I didn't have a vote on anyone. I'll change if Im around before EOD. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here. | ||
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@trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. | ||
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@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote: What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no? Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:24 Holyflare wrote: Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace. Holyflare (15): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_ Thanks. Add some more colors to my name. I love variety. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:29 Holyflare wrote: ??????????????????????????? I quite categorically laid out that I was going to lynch palmar for at least 1/3 of the cycle if not more. At every opportunity and also in my giant wall of scum reads I had put palmar as mafia and the bottom of my list and Sentinel not even in the mafia category. If you thought anyone other than Palmar or someone in my scum reads was getting lynched then you were sorely mistaken. If you wanted a Sentinel lynch then voting for me over the guy who solely proclaimed "we are lynching Sentinel and only Sentinel" a myriad of times is completely on you and is actually quite bad that you voted against that. I didn't "want to lynch Sentinel". I was looking at YOU wanting to lynch Sentinel. Just because you talked all 1/3rd of the day about lynching Palmar doesn't means your reasons were actually legit. You don't even feel sorry for doing it. @damdred: He ran his platform on lynching Sentinel. He did not have popular support for lynching Palmar. Either way I'm not going to harsh on this with either of you anymore. I made a mistake voting for HF because I didn't think he'd lynch the guy. | ||
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https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on  Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. | ||
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On March 06 2019 09:51 sicklucker wrote: also one of rayn and holyflare is always mafia here. the other kept the other alive for obv reasons. they suck each others thumbs Can you explain this reasoning more? On March 06 2019 09:55 Holyflare wrote: Do you think you've done anything this game worthy of being shot after you have replaced in? I don't think so, especially over the people that actually got shot. It's not an insult to you, I don't know how you play at all. You have even specifically said your play is inhibited by real life so why is this me being a jerk and not just realistic? Sorry if you got offended. Lol. I mean, come on. On March 06 2019 10:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Why in the world would a potential vig shoot outside of HF/BH? Dang IKR. On March 06 2019 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop the speculation. Probably scum kp, leave it at that. Ugh my short lived boner has been killed Scum having 4 KP? Or 3 KP plus a 1 shot? Why wouldn't you speculate on this? Best to figure out what are plausible roles in the game with our limited information. We have another set of bad day/night and we might as well start thinking about a mass claim. On March 06 2019 10:12 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I'm going to stick around for the next 5 hours or so and see what I can find. I need to see cooler heads prevail here even though I think HF is a dumbass. I have nothing against lynching Palmar day 1. I just think that Palmar's posts this game were pretty obviously high quality posts ignoring his name. HF is probably not mafia. Early in the day multiple people said that he was a worse mayor choice than Palmar because he was liable to do something stupid. I knew he would do something stupid. His ego tells him that the only way that Palmar can have more votes than him is if Palmar is mafia. To no surprise he does something stupid. There is maybe a 10% chance that HF makes a calculated play as mafia to get rid of Palmar knowing he can talk his way out of the lynch the next day. K, let's pretend Holyflare really did think this is true. Is it too much of a stretch to say these 2 events have to also exist: 1.) Holyflare thinks Palmar is scum, and is also being boosted by Scum votes 2.) Holyflare accuses and actually pushes the people on the Palmar wagon more than anywhere else, showing he really thinks there is a scum party. If this does not happen, then he doesn't really think Palmar is Mafia. At least not for the reason listed here. | ||
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On March 06 2019 10:23 sicklucker wrote: well usualy things like cop vig doctor veteran are needed for town to win mafia games. we have none of those anymore and no mafia killed. if we dont kill a mafia tonight were 8-9 town down with little power roles you do the math On March 06 2019 10:24 Holyflare wrote: I think we easily have a few more days left, like 3 or something. What are mafia powers gonna do against no roles? Nothing. On March 06 2019 10:25 Holyflare wrote: Claiming vig would be the dumbest thing anybody could do right now, please don't do it. Well, Scum don't really need that many power roles to stomp town so 1st quote from HF is just eh. We also don't know what PRs they have as it's a closed setup. The 2nd quote is damn sensible though. On March 06 2019 10:38 Holyflare wrote: Would appreciate if we could get some vote analysis and scum reads going on guys, that'd be good. Motherfucker...gotta admit. I like his style. On March 06 2019 10:41 Holyflare wrote: also how in the fuck if BH is mafia am I mafia? I'm the one that orchestrated the start of the lynch BH wagon Sentinel, BH, Palmar. Damn broski, just pulling names out a hat huh? On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread. Wiggles, not sure of the timing of the vote nor do I really disagree with this post. But I just checked the voting thread quickly and see BC has a vote on HF. Unless he finds reason to move, do you think BC + HF is a possible scum team? I also called BC scummy for the post near last EOD but outside of this do you sense scum motive from him? On March 06 2019 10:51 Onegu wrote: Can we lynch rsoultin or damdred. Rsoul for her terrible read of me. And Damdred for TMI I really hated that post. I definitely missed this. Which post in particular? | ||
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On March 06 2019 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meapak, if youre town (which is someghing i am willing to entertain) then acrofales must always be mafia. What's the reasoning for this? If already explained I missed it. On March 06 2019 11:20 Grackaroni wrote: This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace. ooooooo. On March 06 2019 11:28 Chezinu wrote: you say literally chezinu... I'm sooo torn.... compliment or insult.... TROLOLOLOL I thought Chezinu's honesty was a sure town tell. You know how he admitted how he run for mayor solely because of the title and not necessarily because he had a great plan to lead the town. But.. yeah.. At least HF said he was go with the majority of town with his vote. He was playing it politically. You see Palmer actually had stances. Unless this chanced. I haven't read too much of the new pages. But yeah, Chezinu's purpose is more fully fulfilled in a non-mayoral role. He is the bait. What's going on homie? I know you usually only respond to poetic motions or role play, but if you're not scum we'll need you. The bolded tho? Was that his actual stance at any point Day 1? On March 06 2019 11:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He didn't but it's funny how he said this: And then voted for HF lmao Yea :/. Was having this exchange with BC because I definitely did not see HF doing what he did. I actually thought Palmar had way too much sway for that move not to be met with instagib and also he didn't appear as scum to enough people for it to even be approachable. BC took my HF vote as a Palmar supported kill because he obviously believed the threat and was correct in the end. | ||
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Mocsta I like your post :D Firstly, I got mod prodded. Regarding Mayor, I was never going to run. However, you're idea that I didn't "care" about who got Mayor is spot on. I really did not care whether HF or Palmar got it. I was more so interested in binding them to an opinion on who to lynch. If they deviated from that without sensible reasoning or flip/flopped I would find it extremely suspect. Asking about lynching Palmar is not the same as saying I definitely want Palmar lynched. I also did not have a strong opinion on scum read till BC near EOD. I screwed up in not moving my vote before deadline but I was wishy/washy on Trfel. Also, I tend to not give strong opinions on people until I'm ready to do so. I've also been out of the thread for long periods of time so some of my posts may seem disjointed - I'm trying to play catch up and will not voice every thought that comes to mind or may even forget some conversations. But really, I do like the post! | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:19 Jockmcplop wrote: Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job. Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking... So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either). You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him. Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it. When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip. yikes On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too. What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice. You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance. I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned. R.O.F.L. That second bolded though. Explain. Really :D. I don't see how a person who mostly wanted to kill himself would reveal more information on someone with strong opinions and an actual action we can tie to them. On March 06 2019 17:29 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree with it. Why would someone fabled for being so good at mafia make such blatantly false accusations? If he doesn't come up with some read based on those posts then yeah, probably mafia. You definitely did not read Mocsta's post then. How many accusations did I make, to whom?, and how would you know they are false? | ||
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On March 07 2019 13:42 Mocsta wrote: ohh man cant afford to lynch. town needs all the spare bullets we have left ##Unvote Work with us on acro pls I'm currently on page 202 lol. I doubt I will catch up. But I will definitely try to vote before deadline which is 7PM ET I think (about 19 hours from now). In the event I don't can you link me to the relevant posts on Acro and/or summarize. Really not trying to be lazy but this is a lot to wade through and take notes on with my limited time. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:23 Holyflare wrote: That's not what I'm talking about though. He needs to answer why he didn't vote you over koshi and also how he got my stance on palmar so incredibly wrong. If he knew I had a "not good" reason to lynch palmar then he knew I scum read palmar all along and would likely follow through with the lynch. After all, he's who I wrote the most about in my reads list. On March 06 2019 18:25 Holyflare wrote: You said you didn't read the thread and only filter dived and then magically came out with a read on acro that didn't exist in any of the places you said it appeared. That's completely different. Ace is reading the thread but doesn't know I said I'd lynch palmar over sentinel? Does that make sense to you? Oh hi. Just because you [b]have a reason[b] for calling someone Scum doesn't mean it's a sensible reason. I really may have missed the connections that outlined it but for argument's sake just direct me to where it was laid out. Also I'm willing to blank out all of Day 1. But you're play Post Night 1 also screams scum to me. So there's that issue. I can abandon the Mayor thoughts entirely and you still don't fit the "this is Town" puzzle for me. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote: A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town I just caught this, and I feel like this is a needle in townish direction, especially since I read it after the post I made quoting this from HF. Could be scum BH but way more probable a Townie makes this most post. Fuck, I feel like most of my posts are anti-HF and I'm tunneling too hard and looking for confirmation bias :/ *sees HF reply to this post* So much WIFOM spam, Town hero fallacy, and guilt tripping. Nah fuck that. Keep the lynch train going. Just too many things that push HF into obvious scum. On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Legit LOL. I know for a fact BC nearly slammed his skull into the computer. Even if he's scum writing this he's like WTF? On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with. What when? Really I can't remember  On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall). People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game. Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense. Clearly I'm reading this after asking for Acro case so I know some people think Acro is scum. However, I can't wrap my head around the first part of this post. Acro being angry at the guy who carried out the action more than the voters is pretty logical for a Townie to do. I myself have currently not mentioned the HF voters even though I'm aware they should be scrutinized even if HF flips Town (scum believing he would really kill Palmar and pile on). Besides, you are also on the HF Mayor wagon. In fact, you're #1 . You want Acro to be angry at you? Because if he did show anger at you post vote this is downright alarming post central.It actually isn't. You of all people should get the most out of it. Page 206 is a shitfest. On March 06 2019 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote: Ace looks like someone who's encouraging everyone to meta read him as town. Just from subtle posts like this: Don't do it. Just look at the filter. The guy is scum. If there is one person on this forum who will not play by meta it's me. I don't encourage anyone to meta read me. Going to stop at page 207. Tomorrow I'll answer anything from my comeback in the thread around page 239 or so. I doubt I need to move my vote from Holyfield, but I am interested in hearing other cases (will read Acro stuff tomorrow). | ||
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