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On March 06 2019 09:36 Vivax wrote:
The reason could also be that most of the mafia besides BH are all semi-afk lurkers, or that they were on Trfel to begin with.
So while I saw your reasoning there for a moment, it isn't slam dunk.
No, it's not but a lot of people came out of the woodwork at deadline to say things.
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
This one is particularly the most egregious imo. I think we should lynch him today.
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On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
I just wanted to create added deadline tension.
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Don't know why you're wasting your time BH, I'm even trying to figure out what happened around your lynch while you sit and twiddle your thumbs even though you have the most information.
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If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH.
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On March 06 2019 09:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
If you can find me a game where I haven't done the exact same thing at night as town then you can have your victory BH. So you know you and BH don't share a wincon?
Moral victory.
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On March 06 2019 09:46 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:00 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi + AMG i reckon.
AMG is a good player Could have fooled me. Now youre just being rude. This didnt happen by accident: Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
TL Mafia Database
Overall Win Percentage (Minimum 15 games)
1) Adam4167 11/15 = 73.3333%
Town Win Percentage (Minimum 10 games)
1) Adam4167 9/12 = 75.0000%
Do you plan to be a jerk all game?
Do you think you've done anything this game worthy of being shot after you have replaced in? I don't think so, especially over the people that actually got shot. It's not an insult to you, I don't know how you play at all. You have even specifically said your play is inhibited by real life so why is this me being a jerk and not just realistic? Sorry if you got offended.
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On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean. Then you come out with: On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why? Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph Show nested quote +
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
If Oats is a scum lean why do you call him town later when you say nothing has changed?
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On March 06 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:36 Vivax wrote:
The reason could also be that most of the mafia besides BH are all semi-afk lurkers, or that they were on Trfel to begin with.
So while I saw your reasoning there for a moment, it isn't slam dunk. No, it's not but a lot of people came out of the woodwork at deadline to say things. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now. This one is particularly the most egregious imo. I think we should lynch him today.
Back to business please. Going on the theory that Conversion is now flipped as town and Vivax could be town, mafia did not really have to show any face at deadline whatsoever. BH did not vote to save himself and I don't think he'd be that much of a dick to his team to not even try a semblance at deadline to save himself one bit. It's possible, but unlikely.
That gives us the possible information that both wagons are likely town, we just need to find who has shit on both of the lynches or looks ridiculously out of place, of which Exo looks especially bad.
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.
Not only did BH look like quintessential mafia BH, just appearing whenever called to tell us to lynch him and trolling, but in the end Exo voted for BH while shitting on the lynch because he liked Trfel a bit. Why did he not try and bring up any other kind of wagon? He had 15 minutes to talk.
On March 05 2019 08:53 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.
I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t I generally agree with this same sentiment. Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now. how the hell can you think that Which part? he dosent look town at all He's here at end of day trying to prove his innocence. All of these people (especially you) love to stroke your own egos with how somebodys posting means X or Y without really considering sometimes it's hard to just play well in a large game like this. To me, he looks like a town that cares at end of day.
If anyone can say that with a straight face then they're mafia and don't know BH.
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar
This is also a perfect place for mafia to hide and not get any suspicion with 2 town flips. We know palmar is town, bh could theoretically be town. That leaves:
Mocsta, Slam, DF, Ace, AMG, MZ, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu as very likely containing at LEAST 1 mafia.
Ace said his vote on Koshi was just a placeholder, for some reason he is incapable of even formulating one scum read this game. Why is that? His posts asking why I lynched Palmar instead of Sentinel are absolutely atrocious. No thoughts about the EOD wagon whatsoever.
Mocsta, I already outlined a case on him, he was voting Conversion based off a post from Palmar while simultaneously wanting him lynched. He says he doesn't see the problem but I see it as a disconnect of thought from someone wanting to lynch the person that he agrees on their scum read case on.
Slam, I think is very scummy. I asked for his reads and he was unable to really come up with concrete stuff. His scum read on me has either totally vanished or ???? He has a scum read on Chezinu because of some old meta where they were mafia together but he's a lot different to normal imo. Coaching and bystanding instead of really properly interacting with people or spamming. Slam also left his vote on Conversion but I can't seem to find why when he thought I was scummy before he left. He wasn't around for deadline though.
TT, self reportedly afk. Justifies not wanting me as mayor even though his reasons seemed to be purely and absolutely personal rather than game based. Don't like his initial reads and now he's perpetually having RL afk excuses. Really fallen off and not much original thought anymore because of it.
BC, absolutely no idea and not really read him. He ended up voting Iamp after coming out of the blue and I remember his case on iamp was that he wasn't doing anything or pushing anything when iamp had made a case on acro and was campaigning for BH's lynch. Read reeallyyy artificial to me. Scummy af.
Pandain/AMG ?????????????????????????????????? Not a clue. Votes FF for what reason because ff is contentless and then afk's without providing his spreadsheet which may or may not be real in the slightest. Didn't like his posts before either.
MZ has kept his spreadsheet apparently up to date. I'm tired and can't be bothered to finish this train of thought. Please remind me to check up on him later because he's been massively skating on by.
Rels/Chez/Onegu could potentially be full of scum but same as mz, that's for tomorrow..
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On March 06 2019 10:18 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm really warring between 'stay the course' or not the alternative is to kill rayn. the thing is town is so behind if we make one more mistake we lose so I think we just stick with the logical play. You cant even say holyflare wouldnt do this as mafia because apparently if he did he would be owning us hard. I think the town vig should claim as well and we could have a free lynch. I changed my mind on that
what?
you think mafia have 2kp instead of three and 5 are dead so how do we lose after 1 mistake?
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I think we easily have a few more days left, like 3 or something. What are mafia powers gonna do against no roles? Nothing.
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Claiming vig would be the dumbest thing anybody could do right now, please don't do it.
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On March 06 2019 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF are you still around in ~3hrs?
of course not lol
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Would appreciate if we could get some vote analysis and scum reads going on guys, that'd be good.
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On March 06 2019 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
the only compromise I think I can make is kill bh first. but if bh is town we lose. IF bh is mafia hf is mafia so why not just go straight for the gut
and just ignore what I wrote where it's likely we both could be town?
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also how in the fuck if BH is mafia am I mafia? I'm the one that orchestrated the start of the lynch BH wagon
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On March 06 2019 10:41 sicklucker wrote:
the most unsettling thing is that rayn is a wild child over emotional rollercoaster and hes not mad at hf and wants to hang out and go on the ferris wheel
that is why rayn is probably mafia but I haven't said anything yet to avoid the volcanic eruption
don't tell him plz
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On March 06 2019 10:42 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 09:49 Mocsta wrote:On March 05 2019 09:44 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2019 09:43 Mocsta wrote:On March 05 2019 09:40 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
not mafia tho regardless you are the only sensible vigi shot Hi Marv, been a while! Can you walk me through this? I still think HF is town, so i dont understand why hes a sensible vig shot? okay I only read the last 10-15 pages before the lynch but palmar looked town hf is good don't think town-hf would kill palmar there, I really thought it was just a play for reactions This is the final game of TL mafia. Egos are on display. I can totally see HF trying to make sick plays.. Also, in last 10-15 pages, Im mainly interested in the people that came in to stoke the fire and fuck off. I think thats best candidates for mafia. Ppl like BC come to mind. Wiggles as well (which is another palmar read).. possibly Ace - that I cant remember. Im surprised you as a fresh face is putting that to the side, to wrestle with HF. FOR THE RECORD, I THINK HF is town because of how hes choosing to read me. He takes any disagreement on his point of view very "personally", and its just something I have come to expect from town!HF. I DONT KNOW WHY HE FORGETS THIS THOUGH - every fucking game. ah yes i liked this. however right beneath it is another post that says "there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in this group of 7 people because statistics" which is about the least insightful thing you could say. still town tho
Hello.
Could you please give me an updated list of your reads and a short sentence on each saying why you think they're mafia. I see a lot of comments on posts in your filter but not many conclusions.
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On March 06 2019 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:BC is a scummers. This post before deadline reeks: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything. Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
BC is a fine lynch.
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On March 06 2019 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've been keeping up but not posting.
Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit? Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 07:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm voting trfel because so many people have reads on him and I'm not sure what's going on with BH at all. Soo post one suggests that you think trfel is town and then you decide to vote for him as scum bc "you don't know whats going on with BC" HMMMMMM Also you're one of those HF lurker voters... Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 18:37 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote:
i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was. This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes. You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
I like this post mz. Welcome to the club. Not sure you want into a club with me but you're in it.
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On March 06 2019 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand why jock has to be on both sides of hf lynch if hf is mafia? Its very easy to coordinate towards what you want and no need to waffle.
Well I'm town? So he waffles in case it becomes consensus to kill me and then he can blend or he leaves scum reading me open for later. Or not at all if they have to kill me.
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