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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 02:54 GMT
#6253
On March 09 2019 11:51 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 11:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:43 Mocsta wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels

Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar

EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.

Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.

Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
good post. Written as matter of fact

Concerning..

Why concerning?
its written factually

I.e. scum mentality recap

Why you think the bolded out of curiosity?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 02:55 GMT
#6254
On March 09 2019 11:52 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 11:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels

Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar

EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.

Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.

Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.

Throwaway votes is usually scum indicating though in a TvT wagon though but I think scum is also within those 2 wagons since it's easy to blend in when it's TvT. Ya fair play about HF I wish we had a cop check on him >.<



I'm thinking a cop has investigated HF by now and hasn't gotten a scum result so feels no need to claim.

Hopefully we did have a cop investigated HF by now.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 04:39 GMT
#6266
On March 09 2019 11:57 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 11:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:51 Mocsta wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:43 Mocsta wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels

Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar

EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.

Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.

Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
good post. Written as matter of fact

Concerning..

Why concerning?
its written factually

I.e. scum mentality recap

Why you think the bolded out of curiosity?
because its written like a guy going on his first date who didnt warm up before hand

My vibe reading that is its like a post game summary

I see. Kinda interesting metaphor there XD
Well since the thread had died down for the night I will retire to my bed and when I wake up I will try to look deeper into MZ Cheznu and Onegu!
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 10:58 GMT
#6329
Day One Final Vote Count

Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels

Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar

So both mayor votes were town wtf is this game.... Judging on that ya mafia probably want HF because of him promising to kill Palmar who is a good town player. Also Day 2 was TvT as well so mafia just having a field day this game and just luaghing at us for being fools.
On March 09 2019 18:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
acro is scum, ace is scum, LS is scum

Why the hell would I shoot Tina? I love Tina and all but she not that good to get shot in this large of a game especially because she is my biggest defender as well. Also have I ever done VCA as scum before? That's another meta point about me: I DON'T THINK I DONE VCA AS SCUM BEFORE IF I RECALL!
All caps an important piece information for you FF.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 11:01 GMT
#6330
Ya I am only awake because I had to go the bathroom and there is a thunderstorm. Doubt I can't get more sleep till later when it passes so if anyone want to talk feel free to but I am tired so I not sounding coherent that's why.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 11:14 GMT
#6334
Dear faithful host: The game is hard and we trying our best but the game is a mess. Do have some faith in us as we try to solve the game.
Sincerely: LS
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 11:37 GMT
#6338
On March 09 2019 20:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 20:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Dear faithful host: The game is hard and we trying our best but the game is a mess. Do have some faith in us as we try to solve the game.
Sincerely: LS

Thank you dear listener. We appreciate your kind feedback. This is despite that we don't know what to make of you because of the weird meta reasons. At least you're not the scummiest.

P.S. Let's try to lynch scum today

Dear faithful host: Trust Damdred and Tina's (rsoultin) read on me as they both read me well fro the most part. They both were reading me town as least I know Tina was idk if Damdred changed his read on me since he wasn't posting much. Keep that in mind.
Sincerely: LS
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:10 GMT
#6350
On March 09 2019 21:33 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 20:37 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 20:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 09 2019 20:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Dear faithful host: The game is hard and we trying our best but the game is a mess. Do have some faith in us as we try to solve the game.
Sincerely: LS

Thank you dear listener. We appreciate your kind feedback. This is despite that we don't know what to make of you because of the weird meta reasons. At least you're not the scummiest.

P.S. Let's try to lynch scum today

Dear faithful host: Trust Damdred and Tina's (rsoultin) read on me as they both read me well fro the most part. They both were reading me town as least I know Tina was idk if Damdred changed his read on me since he wasn't posting much. Keep that in mind.
Sincerely: LS



Bleh... I am fairly certain they have both been wrong on you in the past...

They had failed at times but more often than not they get my alignment correct.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:11 GMT
#6351
On March 09 2019 21:31 Onegu wrote:
So every one of my reads was wrong...

Not your read on me I am town.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:23 GMT
#6355
On March 09 2019 22:12 Onegu wrote:
Or tell me why my logic is bad?

Don't think scum would have a day vig especially when it would instant win in LYLO/MYLO as someone mentioned plus he had replaced out and replsced back in thus less likely chance he's scum I think.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:24 GMT
#6356
On March 09 2019 22:14 Onegu wrote:
Also not that I was really wrong on Rsoultin. I mean she is scum always anyway reguardless of her flip.

She was obvious town after her thing with Rels....
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:42 GMT
#6359
On March 09 2019 22:38 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:12 Onegu wrote:
Or tell me why my logic is bad?

Don't think scum would have a day vig especially when it would instant win in LYLO/MYLO as someone mentioned plus he had replaced out and replsced back in thus less likely chance he's scum I think.



This isnt a normal game. Possible scum get a 1 shot on day 3. Why should town make that shot though. Doesnt make sense. Only scum take that shot.

Second that is meaningless. Mean I shit I forgot the game started. Get replaced. Come back hey I wanted to play. AMG doesnt want to play scum or some shit comes up. Pandain comes back.

HF should always been shot by a vig of any sort though so we had info on the mayor wagon Day 1 and the Day 2 lynch.....
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:47 GMT
#6361
On March 09 2019 22:38 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 22:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:14 Onegu wrote:
Also not that I was really wrong on Rsoultin. I mean she is scum always anyway reguardless of her flip.

She was obvious town after her thing with Rels....



Dont care. She is always scum. Even she flipped green this game she is always red in my head.

..............
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 13:48 GMT
#6362
On March 09 2019 22:43 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 22:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:38 Onegu wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:12 Onegu wrote:
Or tell me why my logic is bad?

Don't think scum would have a day vig especially when it would instant win in LYLO/MYLO as someone mentioned plus he had replaced out and replsced back in thus less likely chance he's scum I think.



This isnt a normal game. Possible scum get a 1 shot on day 3. Why should town make that shot though. Doesnt make sense. Only scum take that shot.

Second that is meaningless. Mean I shit I forgot the game started. Get replaced. Come back hey I wanted to play. AMG doesnt want to play scum or some shit comes up. Pandain comes back.

HF should always been shot by a vig of any sort though so we had info on the mayor wagon Day 1 and the Day 2 lynch.....



Not true at all. Would you have shot him if you had a day vigi? After the flips he was obv town.

I would of honestly Day 2 if I was the Day vig shoot him. How was he obvious town?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 16:19 GMT
#6379
On March 09 2019 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
Lol >< yay for reads lists! \o/


LightningStrike
Vivax
Holyflare
Acrofales

Raynpelikon
eet
Mocsta
Wave of Shadow
Grackaroni

sicklucker
Oatsmaster - impression reads aren't advancing but not sure this will hold up after the filter dive I didn't do
tictock

Damdred



Chezinu
Alakaslam - not happy + what now he has to think cause he thought I had no scumreads?
Mr. Wiggles

Ace
ExO_

Bloodycobbler
Darthfoley


Null-reads
Onegu - no shiny hipster reads (scum) vs. so uncaring (town)
Fecalfeast - seems to have lost interest
Rels - pissed at me man -_-

Dunno - would need to look at them closer
Tumblewood
Jockmcplop
[UoN]Sentinel
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
Meapak_Ziphh

*Anything that's changed I think I've added a comment to?

Out for the night. We've got an early morning tomorrow.

Tina actually had a scumread on a flipped scum I wondering if scum shot her because of her being semi-confirmed town plus her bc read? Might be WIFOM but we need to take some closer look on the dead town filters in terms of reads before they were shot.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 16:35 GMT
#6380
Where is everyone I am quite sad noone is posting
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 18:28 GMT
#6388
The game went out of normal when we got a back up cop flipped Day 1.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 18:53 GMT
#6401
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.

First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.

It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.

Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't

I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.

The lurk scum:

FecalFeast
He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.

He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?

Wiggles
I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly):
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote:
Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.

Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote:
Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.

This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles

This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!

I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:

Wiggles: cases TS with the following:
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On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.

Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.

We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.



TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.

I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.

Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.

I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:

Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy.
Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.

So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:

At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.




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On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.

Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.

Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.

+ Show Spoiler [Disturbing Letter to our Host] +

On March 08 2019 06:25 A--of-l-s wrote:
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On March 08 2019 05:58 Vivax wrote:
On March 08 2019 05:50 A--of-l-s wrote:
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.

Just look at wiggles first, please?


His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.

Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.

Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.

I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.

Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/

But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
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On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?

I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.

"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)

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On March 05 2019 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote:
Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.

Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind

Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
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On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit



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On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now.

I read rsoul town for what it's worth

Yeuchhhh

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On March 05 2019 12:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---

I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul
We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow.
The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.


I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.

Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/

"Please tell me what to think" take 2.

Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.


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On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.

Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).

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On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.

I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)

"Please tell me what to think" take 3.


Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.

I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.

I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.



Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.

After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.

rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.

Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.

I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts

I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.

Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.

You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.

Conclusion: still Wiggles



But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
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On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia

your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.


Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia



Damdred
See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.

Ace
Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.

I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.

Bloodycobbler
Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Chezinu
I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.

Sentinel
There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...

Onegu
AFK. No red flags in his few posts.

Pandain
Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.

MZ
Didn't have time to filter.


Tictock
tubesock
Tumblewood
sicklucker
ExO_
darthfoley
Rels

For various reasons, these guys are probably town.

I didn't get around to making sense of the actives. My gut feelings and reads from yesterday haven't changed. For the record that is:

Holyflare
No matter the activity, you do scummy shit, you are scum.

Raynpelikoneet
Stuck in a tunnel on me. No clue what to make of it.

Grack
Mocsta
I read them as town last time I filtered him, but no clue really. Need to refilter

Alakaslam
Hasn't been doing much, but just a general townie feel to his posts.



WoS
Oats
Vivax
rsoultin
Jock
LS

Town for various reasons

Assuming Pandain is town Chez actually a good lynch assuming that it's a 2 town 1 mafia ratio honestly based on that alone. Tina also was scumleaning Chez and Slam doesn't like Chez this game?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 18:54 GMT
#6402
Might be a bit wifom but we should lynch Chez. High percentage of him flipping scum on that stuff alone.
##Vote: Chezinu
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 09 2019 18:57 GMT
#6403
Also Chez does happen to fit into an inactive scum who decided to throw away his vote Day 1 like BC did.
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