On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_-
How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read?
IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read.
On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
On March 08 2019 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is going on in this game? I leave for a bit and the thread turns to a shit show -_-
How the fuck has more or less the entire thread glossed over the fact we had Rsoultin out Rel's role because she thought he was mafia then proceeded to not seriously push him as a candidate whatsoever Then proceeded to remain voting for someone she doesn't fully believe is fucking scum.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you guys. We have already had a bunch of blues flip and no one questions seriously why its ok for someone to out another players role on a gut read?
IMO there is literally no reason to out rels at this point in time unless you plan to go ham on a scum read.
On March 08 2019 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 08 2019 05:54 sicklucker wrote: Well if we dont kill hf now hes never dying. So ill just have to asume hes town if thats happening and pray mafia nk him and reevaluate if I dont kill. I dont think we have the votes to kill him today is what im trying to say. so lets set up a side wagon to bh. But fuck I dont have enough time
We only need like 3 votes on HF. please vote him and stay on him. Don't say "let's just assume he's town for no reason because he's too good at convincing people to ever be able for us to lynch him" wtf
Jesus fuck.
You sound like a disappointed and angry dad
in all seriousness, are you saying she should be the lynch?
As of right now? No its too late for a fucking vote swing. But the fact no one is questioning bad play? Like is this the standard now?
On March 08 2019 06:45 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood why have you gone from me being mafia to not saying a word about me?
Why have you gone from BH is mafia to voting Trfel on day 1?
Why have you not even been mentioning or talking about voting him today?
1. that was the only dirt i have on you and i’m not feeling that strongly about it anymore 2. i don’t remember. you quoted a post where trfel made a bad catch-up post that i didn’t like, and that was definitely part of it. 3. i forgot why i scumread him. though you also quoted a post i made about him and now i definitely favor lynching him over you. actually, in response to both the first and third questions, this lynch makes me antsy because it seems like everyone took it as a foregone conclusion that one of you two would die today. the votes have been relatively stagnant and no other wagons are really being taken seriously. seems like mafia just letting two town wagons go at it. that’s why i’m still on ace for now
Gun to your head you have to pick one: BH or HF dies. Who?
I don't see a single scumread past a very earlygame read on damdred. You late-day claimed you read trfel as town (while confusing everybody into thinking you were talking about BH), but not once during D2 did you bother to read BH's dat bigger filter and just tossed your vote on him. Who do you think the scum is?
@LS: how in the blazing hell is this behavior supposed to give us "information"?! I want to lynch everybody who claimed to want to lunch BH for information and will make that shortlist today.
I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain.
I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn.
If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes.
PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies
Hmmm. Fecalfeast is the strongest scumfeel from the filters I read today. He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
On March 08 2019 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I don't support a holyflare lunch tomorrow. D2 was totally lost because of making it about holyflare vs BH. Holyflare is probably scum, but it's clear he made himself unlynchable with a whole army of Sheeples who aren't even playing the game. So we just need to kill off the rest of his team first. I also realized that because of D2, I don't even know where the rest of the scum is. They're in a huge pile of blehhhhhhhhhh. I read exo_ fully expecting to think he was scum, but he is no worse than the whole pile of shitty inactives, which includes you, pandain.
I will be ignoring everything HF says for the rest of the game, and am || <- this close to doing the same with rayn.
If someone wants me to comment on something holyflare said, please quote it as I am literally skipping over any post he makes.
PS. I will treat pandain as modconfirmed town, as I refuse to believe mods would allow a scummer to replace out and back in again. So that makes 3 confirmed townies
Is this a real thing? Can anyone else confirm?
The opposite is more likely because a townie would get information out of the game and be observing from the sidelines. Mafia know who mafia are so not much would change. Don't know why acro feels the opposite.
Interesting. I can't really go off other players' reads if you are all saying different things about something like this. That means more work for me fml I'll just treat him like everyone else then and go read his filter.
Reason I think that is because switching out players with replacements confuses things for town, who keep having to read different players. Scum doesn't have to worry about that at all. If pandain had access to obs qt or was chatting with people outside the game about the game in other ways, then scratch this: he shouldn't have replaced back in at all, for obvious reasons. But if he just sat on the sidelines while Adam drowned in a fast-moving thread and then replaced back in, it is an anti-town move if he's scum. Hosts tend not to do anti-town things.
Anyway, I'm totally cool doing host wifom to read people as town in this game. So yeah, Pandain is town.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say TS is town too. He seems like he isn't paying too much attention to the thread, but is following his own reads (which are different to the rest of the town) and is off on his own cloud somewhere. It's fairly easy to fake as scum, and there's some things that just seem almost *overly* insightful (aka TMI), but overall I get the impression he's town.
I'd like to hear more about this tho, I don't think I get it:
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
Wiggles: cases TS with the following:
On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy. Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote: Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote: Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow. The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
EPT
