On March 17 2019 00:22 Rels wrote: we need to consolidate though at some point. Acro, do I have no chance of convincing you to vote Onegu?
Nope. I'm with you that he's probably scum, but at this point we just ignore him and find his scumbuddies. If he flips 3p we lose, and there is a real risk his 3p claim is real. A survivor in a 35-player game is totally possible.
If we had killed 3 or 4 scummers and were having a terrible time finding their friends, I'd say lynch him to be sure. But we have gotten a single scummer and no associations from it. So it's really no need to lynch a possible 3p right now.
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
Why do you believe Onegu's claim?
Mostly because of his breadcrumb. I know that's not the strongest reasoning in the world but on a potential lylo lynch I'd rather not take chances. I also think his play is consistent with a survivor type role.
His breadcrumb was made only a day and a half before the claim, just after Acro started attacking him though. When you say his play is consistent with survivor, are you talking about before or after his claim?
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good
Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p:
There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better
Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong?
On March 17 2019 00:17 Rels wrote: Acro and TS findings on Oats' read on TS is a great find. The only thing I didn't understand was how the fuck TS posts at the beginning were supposed to be traps, but since Oats showed he believes them, it doesn't matter
I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes?
again, how does that make me mafia?
'cause you still scumread him after that ... that's the whole point lol
TL;DR I sheep my vote to Acro - He deserves this much for the only guy left giving a real shit about the game If this is it - Its been a bittersweet pleasure & I think Pandain + Rels are scum
Im feeling much better about DF - I prob more wanted him to be scum, then I thought he was scum.
I actually watched the whole thing and I think you're town now I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good
Lots of things in the video ofc I don't agree with the scumread on me. You say I'm backseating and just popping off from time to time, and that's why I'm scum; but this doesn't apply to me. As scum, I take the town leadership and get the lynches I want. As town I do my own thing when I have time to play. p:
There are two things I really liked in the video: - the BH post about lurkers. I also have the mindset that most of the scumteam are lurkers, and have been watching town self-desotry themselves from the beginning. That's why actually the best lynch everyday would have been someone like ExO; not the most exciting one, but a good chance to hit scum - Oats' response to rsoul's scumread of BC and DF, commenting that her DF's scumread is "the worst scumread he's ever seen". That's might be a good parnter indicator right there. I didn't find Acro's point on Oats / BC beta / alpha very scummy, but this is way better
Now one question: why do you think my reasonning on Onegu(s claim is wrong?
Literally DF hasn’t even flipped yet you muppet
talking about BC here
On March 17 2019 02:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 00:17 Rels wrote: Acro and TS findings on Oats' read on TS is a great find. The only thing I didn't understand was how the fuck TS posts at the beginning were supposed to be traps, but since Oats showed he believes them, it doesn't matter
I mean, believing in them means that he thought through it beforehand yes?
again, how does that make me mafia?
'cause you still scumread him after that ... that's the whole point lol
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On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
he doesnt really entertain the idea that Onegu is mafia fakeclaiming 3p seriously, instead wanting to take the claim at face value but like he isnt suspicious at all. Instead, its a really long part of fluff that basically says "meh hes probably survivor for no reason and I dont want to lynch him today" scummy
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:41 darthfoley wrote:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
okay so this post, right before this wriggles seems to "know" that df is mafia with a lot of confidence
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
right so like its a joke but that comes from no question at all that he thinks DF is mafia because of the red check from mocsta In the post analyzing mocsta, he states that the claim is off but he doesnt commit to a read on mocsta because of that and that seems to me like a lot of hedging kinda seeing where the town read him and then commit to that read. Like he basically says "shrug, i dunno its weird, dont look at me i dont know". Again, another post that looks good but says absolutely nothing.
Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched. He kinda waffles a bit, plays a bit of mentor advice role but legitimately just hides in the shadows. His show is just a way to fluff up his posts, and if you notice, for the most part he doesnt actually progress anything in his show. Its basically him answering some questions and peacing out. So he is putting his opinion in the thread but not actually using it for any reason whatsoever to look townie.
Theres a reason Palmar wanted him to die.
this is the lynch for today
##vote wriggles
Like, this is a lot of words, but this is so bad. For context, before that case, the last Wiggles' posts spree was these 7 posts: + Show Spoiler +
On March 15 2019 11:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's truly a pleasure to still be with you here tonight, whether you're patiently counting down the time until blood runs red in the streets once again or frantically looking to avert your scum buddies' imminent slaughter.
We'll be opening the line up right away to our dedicated callers; for the first time in Dead Zone Show history we find our fan mail bag empty.
On March 15 2019 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: In recent news, suspected mafia accomplice Onegu has claimed the role of 3rd Party Survivor. Your host is pleased that their read of 'not-town' turned out correct. However, there still remains the matter of determining the absolute truth in this case.
We are not sure that it made sense for Onegu to claim 3rd party at night. There's no threat of lynch at that point, and it is doubtful scum would shoot them given the general suspicion surrounding their business in the town. So, what's the point of the claim at that time? Is it because the claim had been previously planned by scum and they were nervous in wanting to post after the lynch? Time will tell. This is yet another point added to a growing pile of inconsistencies surrounding Onegu's claimed allegiance.
Now, if our listeners would indulge us as we take a trip down a line of inquiry smelling of fine wine, we can theorise as to the possible scum motivations of Onegu's claim.
From the reads stated in calls to the show, Onegu was widely regarded as being a good lynch candidate and a likely member of Liquidia's most notorious crime family. Without a doubt, the pressure would have been on today. So, claiming 3rd party at this point allows Onegu to take himself out of the pool of suspects and buy more time. Given that town is likely on the brink of failure and needs to lynch correctly several times in a row (see professor Acrofales' excellent analysis) this provides benefit to scum since town will now be looking into their weaker reads, where the chance of mislynch is higher. Given that town's reads are likely to become more accurate over time, this gives a higher chance of success for scum than if we had simply proceeded with the Onegu lynch directly.
With this being said, we are still evaluating how to handle Onegu. He is surely not a member of our town, but is he a threat? After the events of last night, we may have a sure lock on another scum candidate, so this question can probably be put on the back burner for now.
We think it may be in our best interest to lynch him if we find ourselves in muddy waters in the next few cycles, but we can likely leave him be for today.
On March 15 2019 12:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Suspected criminal mastermind Oatsmaster calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: Moscta it does matter only because if it's a red check we just lynch them today and if they not well you get the picture but I assuming a red check because you going to just park your vote there. ##Vote: Darthfoley
Lol he didn't vote me because he redchecked me. He didn't even check me. He's voted me because I haven't given a shit about this game and been wrong one more time than he has (I wasn't on the Sent wagon). Lynching me in LYLO for silly reasons would however, cap off this shit show of a town
Why is it lylo?
We would direct their attention to the two recent journal articles published by esteemed citizen Professor Acrofales in the Liquidia Journal of Criminology:
On March 14 2019 17:54 Acrofales wrote: Tomorrow there's going to be 15 ppl alive if the KP stays the same. Pretty sure if you don't lynch scum, it's over:
Formula 1: #scum/2 rounded up (traitor doesn't count) 10 town vs 5 scum Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 8v4 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 6v3 Lynch scum, kill 1 town: 5v2 Breathing space: town bought themselves a final mislynch.
If you lynch town: Lynch town, kill 3 town: 6v5 Lynch scum, kill 2 town: 4v4 and it's over.
So HAVE TO kill 3 scum in a row.
Formula 2: flat 3 KP, unknown number of mafia: 15-X vs X Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 12 - X vs X - 1. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 9 - X vs X - 2. Lynch scum, kill 3 town: 6 - X vs X - 3. Lunch scum, kill 3 town??? 3- X vs X - 4.
This obviously cannot continue and the last scum must be dead here, so X <= 4 in this scenario. X < 4 would make the scumread too small for the game, IMHO. So balance says that scum should be exactly 4 here, and to win, town needs to kill all scum in a row, starting now.
So what I'll do tonight is give you a list of the 4 scummiest shits and you lynch them in order. If KP stays 3, then you are in the bottom scenario and every day is lylo. If you're in the top scenario, you can take a brief breath after killing the three scummers.
Obviously I'm expecting to be dead tomorrow, but maybe there's a backup medic. Who knows.
On March 15 2019 03:41 Acrofales wrote: Time for setup speculation part 2, now with 3p!
I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes:
If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him.
If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula.
Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about.
In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is.
Onegu the SK.
This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP.
Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says:
The town's win condition:
The town wins when all mafia are eliminated.
This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK.
Your hosts at the Dead Zone Show tend to agree with this analysis, and at least the general sentiment that we must try our hardest to lynch into scum. There should be no more talk of throw-away lynches to thin lurkers or bad players at this point.
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
On March 15 2019 12:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ever-faithful listener and #1 Dead Zone Show fan LightningStrike calls in with the following question:
On March 15 2019 11:40 LightningStrike wrote: Dear Faithful host: What you make of Moscta's claim and actions from today? Sincerely, LS
We're still trying to wrap our heads around the claim. We agree on the general scumminess of darthfoley and will be voting there as we figure out the rest of the day. We'll be interested in seeing any letter addressed from Professor Acrofales regarding the target of today's lynch. During the night cycle he argued strongly that we need to lynch Oatsmaster, and we'd like to see some more reasoning for that target compared to df.
Now for the claim itself, we're not sure whether we believe it. There was some weirdness, a so-called 'ploy', around last night's check. Similarly, the timing of the claim was odd. Why post a claim with almost the full night ahead so that scum can decide whether to shoot you? mocsta was around for just before the flips, so that would have been the more logical time for the claim to come out.
The scum motivation for this would be if we're in a do or die situation like the Professor pointed out, and df is town. This would cement a scum victory if we followed the claimed check blindly.
On the other hand, we have been reading mocsta as town, and historically they have acted quite compulsively. From that perspective, your hosts are pondering whether a town mocsta would try to fake claim to ensure they got the lynch they wanted. We haven't followed their past career closely enough to know if this is something they would do, but it does seem possible.
The alternative is that we're over-thinking this and mocsta really does moonlight as a private eye, but overall the claim needs to be clarified since something smells off to us here at the show.
On March 15 2019 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Death row inmate darthfoley calls in with the following:
On March 15 2019 12:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Though, on reflection, is that a slip from our red friend DarthFoley?
Yes lynch me and find out
On March 15 2019 13:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: We'll be shutting down the lines early for tonight's episode of the Dead Zone Show to catch some shut eye. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your letters so we can read them on air live during the next show.
We'll see you tomorrow evening!
And what do we find in Oats' case? 4 out of the 7 posts are used to justify his scumread on Wiggles. It looks like he just opened his filter, went to the last page, and made a case with what he found. Then his conclusion starts with: "Im just gonna stop here for now, but throughout his filter, theres a lack of like interest to actually get the people he thinks is scum lynched" Stop where? You just quoted his few last posts, you didn't show anything that proved you went "throughout his filter".
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
On March 16 2019 06:10 Tubesock wrote: Oatsmaster, I don’t understand why you didn’t kill me since you’ve been scum reading me near as long as MZ. And I can’t really tell why you apparently want him dead over me as I’m in your filter about as much.
So why MZ over me?
I don't understand how this interrogation turns into a townread. So, in the scenario you're town, Oats sees a TvT lynch between Chez (claimed vet) and you (a scumread). He doesn't pick side and stay on MZ without making waves, the lynch falls on Chez.
Why is it a reason to townread him? If anything, it's kinda scum indicative that he didn't pick a side in a TvT lynch. I'm not saying it makes him scum by itself, but it NEVER makes him town
On March 17 2019 05:15 Rels wrote: I hate this Oats / Tubesock duo trying to deflect the lynch. Scums are showing face
On March 17 2019 04:21 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:06 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: I think Acrofales is the only real blue left. Maybe either FF or Rels too it not both.
Pandain is blue claimed. He shot HF remember...
I know you haven’t been reading. But I cased him, so if you read you’d know I think he’s mafia day vig. I was voting him until about two minutes ago.
I believe your claim mostly when you said you wanted to do something truly baller and survive without claiming. So, I don’t have any problems with keeping you alive.
Why are you more persuaded by the wiggles case than the oats case Tube?
I don’t think Wiggles has played towny. I started disliking him once he started doing the radio show, but he was getting the benefit of the doubt because we voted similarly. But recently I feel like he’s following sentiment.
I thought Oatsmaster was scum for sure for awhile. My doubts started when he didn’t kill me the day we lynched Chezinu. He had every opportunity and plenty of justifications, but he stayed on you. Then kept me in his scum lists. It weirded me out a bit, and this day cycle I think I like most his posts. Except the ones where he tells Acro to just believe him or pull his head out. But town people seem to like saying that shit too.
This is it? First, what does it change that he stayed on Meapak instead of you? If you're town, maybe his vote would have been the difference between you dying or a town veteran dying; does it matter? Second, I don't see what you're finding good about his posts. He's clearly just trying to survive, he picked a target and is trying to get him. His "case" was cherry-pick 4 back-to-back recent Wiggles posts then pasting the convenient conclusion of "Wiggles is passive".
You don’t seem suspicious
Of wriggles
yep, I think he's town. Why are you not suspicious of TS making a 180 on his read on you for bad reasons? Everything that made TS scum yesterday still makes him scum today.
Anyway so you kinda brushed aside the case without giving a real reason why it’s bad. Do you think wriggles has been proactive? Do you think that those dead zone posts are good posts and why?
I've explained exactly why it's bad lol I think his dead zone posts are pretty good. He's clearly having fun and playing his own little game, but he's not hiding behind it to not give his thoughts. His logic is easy to follow and makes sense.
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Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning.
TBH there is a very high chance ExO is scum just lurking around. I'm sure he'll get back just in time to vote too Slam's votes last EOD were pretty townie though, especially if TS is scum
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
Why do you believe Onegu's claim?
Mostly because of his breadcrumb. I know that's not the strongest reasoning in the world but on a potential lylo lynch I'd rather not take chances. I also think his play is consistent with a survivor type role.
His breadcrumb was made only a day and a half before the claim, just after Acro started attacking him though. When you say his play is consistent with survivor, are you talking about before or after his claim?
On March 16 2019 12:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok i finally made it home. I think mocstas claim is wayyy too sloppy to be scum. I don't think this clears DF. I believe onegu's claim and I also believe we're at lylo so I'm not real impressed with the people who are pushing him rn.
Why do you believe Onegu's claim?
Mostly because of his breadcrumb. I know that's not the strongest reasoning in the world but on a potential lylo lynch I'd rather not take chances. I also think his play is consistent with a survivor type role.
His breadcrumb was made only a day and a half before the claim, just after Acro started attacking him though. When you say his play is consistent with survivor, are you talking about before or after his claim?
MZ you never answered that I think
I'm talking about his play throughout the whole game. He hasn't sought to draw attention to himself.
What about these?
On March 11 2019 08:15 Onegu wrote: NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!!
On March 11 2019 08:40 Onegu wrote: ONCE AGAIN TO HAMMER THIS HOME NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN CRED FROM THAT LYNCH.
On March 17 2019 06:52 Onegu wrote: Like I want people to look at what I have said about my role... I am 3p it is the only thing that makes sense for me.
I AM A SURVIOR.
I have talked about why I screamed about that traitor lynch. It made me look bad so I had to make a reason why I dont look bad.
calm down, only LS, me, and now exo wants you lynched today. Unless Acro or Mocsta changed their minds you're not gonna get lynched
On March 17 2019 06:52 Onegu wrote: Like I want people to look at what I have said about my role... I am 3p it is the only thing that makes sense for me.
I AM A SURVIOR.
I have talked about why I screamed about that traitor lynch. It made me look bad so I had to make a reason why I dont look bad.
calm down, only LS, me, and now exo wants you lynched today. Unless Acro or Mocsta changed their minds you're not gonna get lynched
I dont see why you would want to lynch me... Like tell me why I am not a survivor? Read my filter and it looks like a survivor because I am one...
I talked about it a lot already about why I don't think you're survivor, we talked about it actually at some point. You're not getting lynched today so it's whatever. It's in my filter if you want really want to reopen the debate
EPT
I thought your claim was shitty but I understand the attempt now, and I think the reaction you got out of DF was pretty good![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/2b9rJsvqoqNxe/giphy.gif)
