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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:17 GMT
#4937
On March 07 2019 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I an going to tell you if you can find the relevant posts that support your argument that i bolded in red in my post i will promise you i will never call you mafia in this game anymore.

Ok, that should be quite easy. I'll do it this one last time.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:29 GMT
#4938
On March 07 2019 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the last addition to my points on Acrofales, after this i will stop and probably afk.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 00:29 Acrofales wrote:
[...]

So. Lets see, where does rsoultin go with her investigation into Palmar. I tell you, it's nowhere. She doesn't try to engage with Palmar. She doesn't analyse Palmar's posts. Nada. She just throws shade:

On March 03 2019 18:32 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote:
When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf?


You didn't that I recall.

Though I like his Palmar read.

Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent. There really wasn't much there, but this is literally the only justification for rsoultin going after Palmar [...]

This is a big part of his case on rsoultin. rsoultin's early read on Palmar and where it came from. At this point Palmar had said;
- not gonna play, it's weekend
- Policy lynch Sentinel
- HF might be town
- "thanks i hate it" on one of my posts, whatever that meant
- some more posts which say "lynch Sentinel"

rsoultin agreed at the time with my read on Palmar, and Acrofales criticises the reasoning. The problem is that this is Acrofales' reasoning for me thinking Palmar is mafia:
(1) Palmar thinking I [acro] was looking townie
(2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent

First of all (1) had never happened at that time.
Second of all, for (2), i have absolutely no idea where he read rayn scumreads Palmar for wanting to lynch Sentinel, because these are all my words on Palmar at that point;
Show nested quote +
iamperfection actually looks really townie from later posts. I am okay with him being mayor. (Or go with Palmars plan, although he is prolly mafia but i cba of he just kills sentinel).

Show nested quote +
I think Palmar found an easy way out to "play" during weekend on sentinel and os trying to look better. I dont really believe he comes and says "hi see you on monday i dont play on weekends" and then starts reading the thread anyways as town. If you know palmar you probably know what i mean.

I mean i literally encouraged his policy lynch rather than find it scummy.

Okay so, let's pretend Acrofales made a mistake with timestamps and pretend i had all my stuff on Palmar already. here's the rest of what i updated on my read on him:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 04 2019 20:07 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:35 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:27 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:20 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:29 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
Acro, wave, oats, rayn, chez, ls, mocsta(?) (+a shit tonne of others that elude me) will be the lynch today. There's really so many people I could easily lynch and just not care tbh.

Acro is town.

Wave, oats I'm on board with.

Rayn is a no. Your fight with him didn't give me scum vibes on either of you. Just made me want to tear my hair out.

Chez also a no. He seems fine.

LS I can't figure out, and can't be bothered to right now as I already have enough ppl I want to lynch.

Mocsta said before the game he wouldn't be around and he wasn't around. His few posts don't seem scummy, but he'd better start playing tomorrow.


Mate you really are mafia lol

?

He's pointing out you seem to have switched opinions on rayn

I have. The longer rayn goes without shitting up the thread the more I suspect him of scummy shenanigans.

That's not to say scumrayn isn't an abusive asshole. He's generally more tunnelly as scum than as town, at least in my obviously imperfect recollection. But rayn is being uncharacteristically passive and the longer it goes the more I suspect him.

Town rayn shits up the thread trying to find scum. Scum rayn shits up the thread for the sake of shitting up the thread. But rayn never doesn't shut up the thread. New behavior is weird. And probably scum weird.


Why does rayn's activity have anything to do with his alignment? Palmar should also know this, and it's why he's mafia because it's a poor excuse to scum read rayn when there's plenty of other reasons to.

Rayn works long hours so often goes long times without activity. The last thing he did when he was here was shit up the thread. This is a poor flip flop acro.


Rayn did quickly defuse when I was arguing with him though, although some of it may be my reluctance to engage in the argument with him.

I don't know what it means.

Yeah i tried to actually talk with you when you asked me to, then you never answered anything but with nonsense posts and then left.. So there is that.

this one isn't entirely about acrofales, and definitely NOT because he read him town
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[....]
You literally said nothing in your post towards acro except that you basically confessed you had a townread on him based on shit things and that you hadn't actually read him at all and apparently weren't even willing to do that.

So mr. Palmar now you are just lying.

I can maybe see how this turns into just "he townread Acro" in some idiots mind, but even if that was the case Palmar himself confessed he was guilty of this so how can rsoultin (or me) be blamed of being mafia because of a "shit scumread" when we actually called out CORRECT things regardless of Palmar's affiliation?? (note that while this is not a reason why rsoultin scumread Palmar, but Acrofales thought it is so it's relevant to the case).




How can any fucking townie not read things above properly enough to:
1) call rsoultin scum based on that
2) what i bolded in red

?????????????


Yadda yadda yadda red text:
Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent.


Point 1:
On March 03 2019 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 20:02 Palmar wrote:
Like why the fuck are you complaining about Acro doing legwork on lurkers, what the hell is that?

Because giving a list of liek 10 people and calling all of them scum or "let's lynch them" and not havign a single read on anyone else doesn't actually accomplish anything. Like earlier he made a big post which said:
1) rsoultin shouldnt be any alignment atm
2) bc shouldnt be any alignment atm
3) hell everyone should be on your watchlist
4) Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active"

---> continues making lurker list posts after that all game


On March 03 2019 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, if you are town, go seriously read Acrofales' filter and actually look at what he says. Then look at his case on Grackaroni and read the posts after that again.


Point 2:
On March 03 2019 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Quick summary, more on when i get on computer (aka wake up again)..

iamperfection actually looks really townie from later posts. I am okay with him being mayor. (Or go with Palmars plan, although he is prolly mafia but i cba of he just kills sentinel).

Holyflare is mafia. He made a complete trashcan case on me that's factually incorrect and followed it up by "i dont understand any of his townreads", which if he believed in should always warrant a vote on me. Yet he just leaves it to it and does nothing. Very very mafia.

rsoultin made the saddest series of posts basicalöy ever where she calls me "you look very town but i am wary" and after hf's trash case i am suddenly her #2 scumread. I mean this is literally the stupidest thing i have read anywhere this year... i am scum because i look town and hf said things that arent even true? Okay.... sadly enough i dont think it makea her mafia but i am never gonna believe she wiöl make rational decisions towards me / bssed on what i say so i have no intention of wasting my time talking to her.

Then there are tubesock and slam who +1 both of above. I'd say one mafia there. Slam has looked a bit more town lately and certainly isnt even rwading rhe game based on his posts so who knows..

I think Palmar found an easy way out to "play" during weekend on sentinel and os trying to look better. I dont really believe he comes and says "hi see you on monday i dont play on weekends" and then starts reading the thread anyways as town. If you know palmar you probably know what i mean.

Oatsmaster is very likely to be town and hf's meta read on him is completely incorrect. Not that oats is helping much or isn't a headless chicken but that doesnt mean he is mafia, in fact it meeans the opposite quite often.

Acrofales has only talked about lurker after lurker after lurker. More likely to be scum. Only real read he gave was TT based on one post that he disageed with (liked the tone), but then wants him as mayor???!?!?!? Why do yoi want someone you dont think is right to be mayor?!?! Like why the fuck would you ever want that?

Now good more night.


And you're probably right that I confused the timestamps, because when you filter, the times appear in local time, but when you quote they appear in Korea time. So I saw rsoul's post as being at March 03 2019 18:32, and not what was actually the case March 03 2019 10:32 CET

I have probably made that timeline continuity mistake in other places too as this is the first time I notice it. Now you want to leave me alone and vote holyflare?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:31 GMT
#4941
On March 07 2019 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I literally just explained why neither of those posts should be part of your read, i even quoted the Palmar parts from them. Like wtf?

You wanted an explanation, I gave it. This conversation is over.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:40 GMT
#4944
If you didn't want people to think you scumread Palmar, maybe you shouldn't say so.

On March 03 2019 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:although he is prolly mafia
Quick summary, more on when i get on computer (aka wake up again)..

iamperfection actually looks really townie from later posts. I am okay with him being mayor. (Or go with Palmars plan, although he is prolly mafia but i cba of he just kills sentinel).

Holyflare is mafia. He made a complete trashcan case on me that's factually incorrect and followed it up by "i dont understand any of his townreads", which if he believed in should always warrant a vote on me. Yet he just leaves it to it and does nothing. Very very mafia.

rsoultin made the saddest series of posts basicalöy ever where she calls me "you look very town but i am wary" and after hf's trash case i am suddenly her #2 scumread. I mean this is literally the stupidest thing i have read anywhere this year... i am scum because i look town and hf said things that arent even true? Okay.... sadly enough i dont think it makea her mafia but i am never gonna believe she wiöl make rational decisions towards me / bssed on what i say so i have no intention of wasting my time talking to her.

Then there are tubesock and slam who +1 both of above. I'd say one mafia there. Slam has looked a bit more town lately and certainly isnt even rwading rhe game based on his posts so who knows..

I think Palmar found an easy way out to "play" during weekend on sentinel and os trying to look better. I dont really believe he comes and says "hi see you on monday i dont play on weekends" and then starts reading the thread anyways as town. If you know palmar you probably know what i mean.

Oatsmaster is very likely to be town and hf's meta read on him is completely incorrect. Not that oats is helping much or isn't a headless chicken but that doesnt mean he is mafia, in fact it meeans the opposite quite often.

Acrofales has only talked about lurker after lurker after lurker. More likely to be scum. Only real read he gave was TT based on one post that he disageed with (liked the tone), but then wants him as mayor???!?!?!? Why do yoi want someone you dont think is right to be mayor?!?! Like why the fuck would you ever want that?

Now good more night.

You say it twice. Do I think it was a particularly strong read? No. But do I think you're scumming Palmar at this point? Hell yes. And why? For the policy lynch thingy.

Then we add on the later to posts where you are boggled by Palmar townreading me, and I just added it onto the "grievances Rayn has with Palmar" list.

Right. Now I am really truly done with this. Focusing on more important stuff.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:46 GMT
#4946
On March 07 2019 19:19 AMG wrote:
I had hoped the rate that this thread is growing would slow down with a couple of the deaths, but alas it does not seem to be the case. The thread has grown by nearly 100 pages in the last 36 hours and I really do not have the time to dedicate to reading all of this.I've requested a replacement at this point and hopefully one can be found.

Ill put my vote onto BH at this point as last I read he was asking to die anyway.

##Vote: BlazingHand


Sorry you feel that way. I understand it completely. This game is definitely reminding me of why I stopped: it is just wayyyy too time consuming. I did warn you though:
On March 05 2019 17:35 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!

I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.

Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?

23


Just one last request: please vote HF before you leave.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 12:49 GMT
#4953
On March 07 2019 20:14 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand why anyone even thinks I'm mafia that would trade 1 for 1 with Palmar for absolutely no reason at all.

Then they make up some bs like they don't even remember how the d1 vote count went. There was no real vote count for 20 minutes after deadline.

Doesn't this essentially mean that if you don't get lynched, this is no longer valid? So to prove you aren't scum you should want to get lynched?

Like... this is such wifom I don't see how you think this is an argument. I just stumbled across this as I was looking for the question you asked me that I still didn't understand.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:04 GMT
#4958
On March 07 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:38 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?


A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!

It incidentally worked quite well to make you sound town. But I was already on the BH=VT train when you posted your death post. And now we know conversion is town, we know it wasn't a preconstructed scum gambit to gain town credit after vote shenannies saved you.


First of all good job ripping your scum read's analysis and using it as your own.

Second of all, if you believe this why the fuck are you lynching me and not exo??????

Don't talk to me. I'm trying to get away from tunneling you.

And wtf are you talking about anyway?!


The guy that proclaimed bh was town the whole time but lynched him anyway??? Despite bh looking scummy af???

The guy I've written lots of posts about...

I'm still confused. I don't really care about ExO_ at the moment. He may very well be scum. I haven't actually looked into him much, but he's not "my scum read". In what world was I sheeping him though? Here's my read on BH:

+ Show Spoiler [preamble] +

On March 05 2019 17:53 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2019 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 05 2019 15:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who was the guy who was super interested in Jockmcplop's mafia terminology?

Acro asked Jock three times if this was his first mafia game, looking at his filter.

Sounds like throwing a bone of shade like "someone please pick up on this and be suspicious of him".
Why the fuck would Jock start the game by going to scum QT with "hi team, first tell me mafia terminology so i can make posts"???

He wouldn't. But he might be getting coached simply by scum bandying words around. But he just knew way more than he could get from coaching and his explanation was fine, as you might have noticed as I dropped it after he explained.

Now go die, scum.

Team scum:
Wiggles (Palmar case + votes)
Sentinel (Palmar case + trfel case + votes)
Holyflare (not dumb enough to kill Palmar as town)

Pretty sure:
Rayn (did nothing all day. Town rayn would be telling people how dumb they are and be raging at HF. Instead, he is here to tell me I'm scum for thinking Palmar is town. Wtf? Nice omgus)

Probably:
MZ (did nothing all day, but was instantly around after flip)
Damdred (same)
BC (sheeping Palmar)
Marv (last minute vote switch)

Maybe:
Fecalfeast (trfel thought he was scum)
BH (martyring :/ )

100% absent and useless:
Onegu
Rels



Upon further reflection:
On March 05 2019 18:18 Acrofales wrote:
My maybe list above is bad.

BH is probably a VT.

And if he is, I think his calmer analysis of conversion might make sense. I did like how Marv immediately entered the thread as if he was excited to play. As scum there'd be no urgency and he'd slum it with his homies in the QT, acting as if he wasn't around before being forced to make an appearance here today. His mere presence makes him more townie.

Also, @rsoul: sheeping Palmar to victory is a fantastic strategy that I'll happily follow.


If you aren't talking about ExO_ you're going to have to be a bit more specific, because your filter is gigantic and there's lots of people you have made "lots of posts about".

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:08 GMT
#4961
EBWOP: I knew there was more somewhere. Here you go:
On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:
I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.

I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun!


This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there.

Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words".

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:14 GMT
#4967
On March 07 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 21:57 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2019 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2019 19:51 Vivax wrote:
And that's the first guy to call out the entire mafia team.

I want a prize post game.

This feels real disingenuous. I can't really explain why.

Vivax do you believe everything you wrote on this page?


I had an aha moment yes. It just fits all too well.

Could you name off the top of your head who HF is scumreading?


Pretty impossible because I don't even particularly know.

If I had to outline some names:

Ace, BH, BC, Slam, Darthfoley, exo, Chezinu

Possibilities of:

Tumblewood, rels, jock, oats, ls

I mean... it's possible that mafia did absolutely nothing all game and we're tearing ourselves apart. But I don't think it's very likely that *none* of the active players are mafia. Just as a point of interest: why are onegu and pandain/amg not on that list?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:16 GMT
#4970
On March 07 2019 22:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 22:04 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:38 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?


A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!

It incidentally worked quite well to make you sound town. But I was already on the BH=VT train when you posted your death post. And now we know conversion is town, we know it wasn't a preconstructed scum gambit to gain town credit after vote shenannies saved you.


First of all good job ripping your scum read's analysis and using it as your own.

Second of all, if you believe this why the fuck are you lynching me and not exo??????

Don't talk to me. I'm trying to get away from tunneling you.

And wtf are you talking about anyway?!


The guy that proclaimed bh was town the whole time but lynched him anyway??? Despite bh looking scummy af???

The guy I've written lots of posts about...

I'm still confused. I don't really care about ExO_ at the moment. He may very well be scum. I haven't actually looked into him much, but he's not "my scum read". In what world was I sheeping him though? Here's my read on BH:

+ Show Spoiler [preamble] +

On March 05 2019 17:53 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2019 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 05 2019 15:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who was the guy who was super interested in Jockmcplop's mafia terminology?

Acro asked Jock three times if this was his first mafia game, looking at his filter.

Sounds like throwing a bone of shade like "someone please pick up on this and be suspicious of him".
Why the fuck would Jock start the game by going to scum QT with "hi team, first tell me mafia terminology so i can make posts"???

He wouldn't. But he might be getting coached simply by scum bandying words around. But he just knew way more than he could get from coaching and his explanation was fine, as you might have noticed as I dropped it after he explained.

Now go die, scum.

Team scum:
Wiggles (Palmar case + votes)
Sentinel (Palmar case + trfel case + votes)
Holyflare (not dumb enough to kill Palmar as town)

Pretty sure:
Rayn (did nothing all day. Town rayn would be telling people how dumb they are and be raging at HF. Instead, he is here to tell me I'm scum for thinking Palmar is town. Wtf? Nice omgus)

Probably:
MZ (did nothing all day, but was instantly around after flip)
Damdred (same)
BC (sheeping Palmar)
Marv (last minute vote switch)

Maybe:
Fecalfeast (trfel thought he was scum)
BH (martyring :/ )

100% absent and useless:
Onegu
Rels



Upon further reflection:
On March 05 2019 18:18 Acrofales wrote:
My maybe list above is bad.

BH is probably a VT.

And if he is, I think his calmer analysis of conversion might make sense. I did like how Marv immediately entered the thread as if he was excited to play. As scum there'd be no urgency and he'd slum it with his homies in the QT, acting as if he wasn't around before being forced to make an appearance here today. His mere presence makes him more townie.

Also, @rsoul: sheeping Palmar to victory is a fantastic strategy that I'll happily follow.


If you aren't talking about ExO_ you're going to have to be a bit more specific, because your filter is gigantic and there's lots of people you have made "lots of posts about".



I'm talking about your read on bh which is pretty much a straight rip off of my post to vivax:

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On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:
At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town.

On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: BH


He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart.


I know that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so thanks

Think you got that the wrong way round, as my read predates yours. So thank you, I guess?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:17 GMT
#4971
On March 07 2019 22:14 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 07 2019 22:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 21:57 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2019 21:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2019 19:51 Vivax wrote:
And that's the first guy to call out the entire mafia team.

I want a prize post game.

This feels real disingenuous. I can't really explain why.

Vivax do you believe everything you wrote on this page?


I had an aha moment yes. It just fits all too well.

Could you name off the top of your head who HF is scumreading?


Pretty impossible because I don't even particularly know.

If I had to outline some names:

Ace, BH, BC, Slam, Darthfoley, exo, Chezinu

Possibilities of:

Tumblewood, rels, jock, oats, ls

I mean... it's possible that mafia did absolutely nothing all game and we're tearing ourselves apart. But I don't think it's very likely that *none* of the active players are mafia. Just as a point of interest: why are onegu and pandain/amg not on that list?

Or, for that matter, where are your apparent town reads of Wiggles, Sentinel and MZ coming from?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:33 GMT
#4984
On March 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Thata it

Im voting bh

We need day1 closure

Im honestly ok with losing if hf is scum
I really cant see it

##vote: BH

Oh come on, mocsta. I don't want to make a BH is town post, because most of the reasoning is already in my filter, but lynching BH for information doesn't make any sense at all. You want to lynch for information? Lynch scum. That's the only real way to get information on who was reticent about lynching them, and hedging their bets. But lets say we lynch "for information":

If BH is scum (unlikely at this point), I guess it looks bad for Vivax, but Conversion, the one who sealed the deal, already flipped town. It also looks kinda bad for anybody else on the trfel wagon, but any decent scumteam is going to distribute votes and some will be bussing their buddy, especially if their buddy is BH begging to get killed in the thread. Imho, there is very little information to be gained here even if he's scum. Maybe from today's lynch you'd gain more, but I'm willing to be scum is not gonna vote to save him now either. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were mafia.

If BH is town, it literally didn't matter at all to scum what wagon they were or weren't on in D1, and we learn jack shit from flipping BH. They were welcome to vote for whoever they wanted. I guess people who didn't bother to consolidate on either of the wagons look bad, but with so many people just plain afk, even that is hard to figure out.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:37 GMT
#4987
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.

The best example of this is the following post:

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On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.

He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.

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On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:


Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:

On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby

Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:

1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly.
2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?

Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:39 GMT
#4992
On March 07 2019 22:38 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 07 2019 22:33 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Thata it

Im voting bh

We need day1 closure

Im honestly ok with losing if hf is scum
I really cant see it

##vote: BH

Oh come on, mocsta. I don't want to make a BH is town post, because most of the reasoning is already in my filter, but lynching BH for information doesn't make any sense at all. You want to lynch for information? Lynch scum. That's the only real way to get information on who was reticent about lynching them, and hedging their bets. But lets say we lynch "for information":

If BH is scum (unlikely at this point), I guess it looks bad for Vivax, but Conversion, the one who sealed the deal, already flipped town. It also looks kinda bad for anybody else on the trfel wagon, but any decent scumteam is going to distribute votes and some will be bussing their buddy, especially if their buddy is BH begging to get killed in the thread. Imho, there is very little information to be gained here even if he's scum. Maybe from today's lynch you'd gain more, but I'm willing to be scum is not gonna vote to save him now either. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were mafia.

If BH is town, it literally didn't matter at all to scum what wagon they were or weren't on in D1, and we learn jack shit from flipping BH. They were welcome to vote for whoever they wanted. I guess people who didn't bother to consolidate on either of the wagons look bad, but with so many people just plain afk, even that is hard to figure out.
its not info

The two wagons are hf and bh

Im not sure we can get a swing onto an alternate cos no idea whom thw lurkers will latch onto

If bh and hf are both town. I would prefer to lynch bh still

GAaaaaaargh. I almost want to lynch you instead for this amount of retardation.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:52 GMT
#5012
On March 07 2019 22:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 22:39 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:38 Mocsta wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:33 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Thata it

Im voting bh

We need day1 closure

Im honestly ok with losing if hf is scum
I really cant see it

##vote: BH

Oh come on, mocsta. I don't want to make a BH is town post, because most of the reasoning is already in my filter, but lynching BH for information doesn't make any sense at all. You want to lynch for information? Lynch scum. That's the only real way to get information on who was reticent about lynching them, and hedging their bets. But lets say we lynch "for information":

If BH is scum (unlikely at this point), I guess it looks bad for Vivax, but Conversion, the one who sealed the deal, already flipped town. It also looks kinda bad for anybody else on the trfel wagon, but any decent scumteam is going to distribute votes and some will be bussing their buddy, especially if their buddy is BH begging to get killed in the thread. Imho, there is very little information to be gained here even if he's scum. Maybe from today's lynch you'd gain more, but I'm willing to be scum is not gonna vote to save him now either. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were mafia.

If BH is town, it literally didn't matter at all to scum what wagon they were or weren't on in D1, and we learn jack shit from flipping BH. They were welcome to vote for whoever they wanted. I guess people who didn't bother to consolidate on either of the wagons look bad, but with so many people just plain afk, even that is hard to figure out.
its not info

The two wagons are hf and bh

Im not sure we can get a swing onto an alternate cos no idea whom thw lurkers will latch onto

If bh and hf are both town. I would prefer to lynch bh still

GAaaaaaargh. I almost want to lynch you instead for this amount of retardation.
im one vote

I dont see what ur issue is

Im not the make/break for u to get hf flipped

Who says this won't come down to a single vote? But regardless of that: way to abdicate your power. If you really think both are town, have the balls to vote for a scumread.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 13:54 GMT
#5015
On March 07 2019 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 07 2019 22:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.

This makes no sense.

I mean a placeholder vote stilla bit tired >.< But i also want information in terms of Day 1 wagons hence the information part.

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WE LEARN FROM LYNCHING BH!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 14:01 GMT
#5019
On March 07 2019 22:58 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 07 2019 22:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.


With rsoultin of all people? kk

Palmar, marv, Koshi wanted HF dead

Now you probably don't know ace and BC, but they are the "old guard" of this forum. They both want HF dead and so far the only dudes casing them are coincidentially the ones opposing the HF lynch, so.

I'd love it if you voted HF.

Again it just a placeholder atm but I also want more information about the wagons Day 1.
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On March 07 2019 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.

This makes no sense.

I mean a placeholder vote stilla bit tired >.< But i also want information in terms of Day 1 wagons hence the information part.

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WE LEARN FROM LYNCHING BH!

If BH is town mafia had a field day and can have their votes all over the place. If BH is scum then maybe need to take a closer look on the Tfrel wagon maybe a few on BH for easy bus credit.

So... very little information at all, especially if he's town. And if he's scum? Do you think scum wasn't busing him when he martyred?

Do you think we gain more information from lynching a town BH than from lynching scum?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 14:12 GMT
#5041
On March 07 2019 23:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.


With rsoultin of all people? kk

Palmar, marv, Koshi wanted HF dead

Now you probably don't know ace and BC, but they are the "old guard" of this forum. They both want HF dead and so far the only dudes casing them are coincidentially the ones opposing the HF lynch, so.

I'd love it if you voted HF.

Again it just a placeholder atm but I also want more information about the wagons Day 1.
On March 07 2019 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2019 22:49 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I am voting BH as a placeholder/ information lynch.

This makes no sense.

I mean a placeholder vote stilla bit tired >.< But i also want information in terms of Day 1 wagons hence the information part.

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WE LEARN FROM LYNCHING BH!

If BH is town mafia had a field day and can have their votes all over the place. If BH is scum then maybe need to take a closer look on the Tfrel wagon maybe a few on BH for easy bus credit.

So... very little information at all, especially if he's town. And if he's scum? Do you think scum wasn't busing him when he martyred?

Do you think we gain more information from lynching a town BH than from lynching scum?

I can see a few of them bussing if he's scum but if he's town like I said mafia had a field day which would mean we need to take a closer look at people's reasoning for their votes.

We should be doing that anyway...

So what you're saying is that regardless of BH's flip, you'd need to read why people voted the way they did? Like... why do you need BH to flip for that?!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 14:13 GMT
#5043
On March 07 2019 23:11 Rels wrote:
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On March 07 2019 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 07 2019 23:05 Rels wrote:
I confirm that I'm Mason and that I used my power on rsoul N1

Cool reasoning for using the power on Tina?

Not much, some combination of: I like her outside the game, I townread her in game, she was scumreading me and she was seemingly not well in the thread at some point.

Do you still townread her?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
March 07 2019 14:19 GMT
#5052
On March 07 2019 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
People who are voting HF, if you're doing so for filter dive-y and NOT mod reasons, I won't stop you.

This to me is the clearest case on a town hf. It's absolutely possible I'm wrong here and if the game goes late, remember, but if scum HF truly pulled off what he did D1 that's insanely impressive, even for him and we as a whole deserve to lose for falling for it and lynching #1 town voice.

Show nested quote +

Hf does have limits to what he's capable of. I had kind of forgotten that. Deflecting suspicion for the entirety of a game is not where he likes to be. Sure he can put forth more sheer effort than nearly anybody else, but that is a tall order. Way more likely he actually did what he said and was dumb because he loves being right and looking right.

I'm also willing to admit I might be wrong on HF. But fuck man, he still needs to die. He shanked town!Palmar and fakeclaimed vigilante. WTF kinda townie does both of those things in the same game?

He's either a retard or he's scum. Now it's entirely possible it's the former. He has been super high activity and I didn't see him as scum on D1 at all. But actions speak louder than words, my man.

Also, his scumreads have been supersketchy.
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