[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 9

On November 09 2018 09:06 Rels wrote:

OK for the second point.
For the first point, I don't see how it gives him any town cred ?

On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
concerning kita, you all have to know that he's a hard to catch scum. My first really salty loss came from a game where he was scum and smurfing, this one. He made really reasonnable and logical posts all game, and nobody really suspected him until he won by himself. And I see the same this game. He's making reads based on good looking, logical reasons. My problems is that sometimes, when he writes a post and wants to justify a choice, like a read and a vote, I can feel that he's making up a reason on the spot. And sometimes, this reason that seems so logical, actually shouldn't make sense in his point of view.

Let's get to examples.


Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place.


This post is to justify his Grack / prp YES vote. Even though Grack is in the bottom of his list at first, then later in the middle tier; even though prp is also in his middle tier; he still votes YES. The correct play in his position with his reads would be to vote NO there, vote NO to Conversion's team, and have his team auto-accepted due to the 3 votes limit. But he voted YES. Most likely because his buddy prp was on the team.


Here he's justifying his Grack nomination. He's saying that "he thinks the plan to put the DT check in rayn's hands is a good one". The problem is, it doesn't make sense at all if he's town. The DT check makes sense for people outside of him, to have a failback plan in case kita is scum. But if kita is town, it means that:
- if a liberal policy is passed, the DT plan doesn't work
- if a fascist policy is passed, it means kita has gotten FFF; in that scenario, the chance of rayn also getting FFF are extremely low.
So he couldn't have thought that as town.

Fair disclosure, when pushed for some of these points, he explained them with reasonnable, logical answers. But I'm claiming that he couldn't have thought of them in the first place if he was town.

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Another thing Conversion bought up yesterday and is very true. kita said multiple times that he knows one of the elected official is scum, which is a fact if he's town since there has been 5 elected people and he's not been part of them. He's hesitating between Conversion Hitler or prp fascist. This is a little weird to me since the fact points more at prp being forced to elect a liberal policy, but OK.

The problem with this claimed mindset is this:


He's claiming that Conversion is showing his allegiance to me. The problem is that he also thinks Conversion is Hitler, and Hitler doesn't know his buddies! This shouldn't make sense in his view of the game. I think that happend because he is forcing himself to keep his Conversion scumread, since if he would let it go he would have to scumread prp, which is probably the real Hitler. But in trying to come up with reasons to scumread Conversion, he created one that didn't match his claimed view of the game.

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Finally, the hail mary yesterday. He faked some of my posts LITERALLY 1 MINUTE before the deadline, so there wouldn't be time for them to be fact checked. He later claim he was just messing with people, but that's a very convenient joke that could have make the difference between him being elected or not.

He's quoting a prp post first, but I think this post was trying to get one of Conversion, krogan or Grack to switch.

On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

On November 11 2018 03:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Because it's so obvious that you have a preference for Rels over myself based on your behavior the last 48 hours.

Meh, we're not going to accomplish anything arguing with each other. Lets wait until some else shows up.

On November 07 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The possibility of drawing FFF is 6/8 x 5/7 x 4/6 which is approx 35,7%
So about 65% of the time we hit at least one liberal (well i'd stop right away if we get liberal anyways).

If we happen to hit FFF the deck is resuffled.
Second fascist policy goes to krogan who i believe is town, he gets the investigation. I would trust the result. krogan can investigate kitaman.
Third fascist policy goes to kitaman, in case he is town. If not then we will do something else but we know kitaman (or at least one of krogan / kitaman) is mafia.

Is there anyone who believes that krogan is mafia? Because in my opinion from the presidents (if you think someone is mafia there) Grackaroni looks the worst for not passing FL instead of LL (passibg FL to prplhz is the correct play there). That's not much, but still a possiblilty, i would find it more likely that mafia are just rels/byj/kitaman/(prplhz).

On November 07 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I gotta go to work. kitaman i am going to vote yes to your team if you pick Grackaroni.
I am probably going to downvote rels' team regardless of what he does. He does make a little bit sense but i am sorry i just am not going to straight up trust anyone who starts playing a week after the game starts.

On November 08 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no getting lucky anymore. All i care about is me getting the investigation so i find either conf scum or conf town (which will allow 100% win) so i am gonna vote yes to kita and if this doesnt pass for some reason then i am gonna do my hardest that your team passes. If this passes i am trying my hardest to downvote your team.

Idk, i am sorry of you are town but i have figured out a strategy that wins the game more likely than any other strategy, and every other strategy has downsides. As i said you should have played earlier if you disagree for "i wanna play" because i lose interest in games i have "figured out" already. Sooo... there is that. I dont need to know anything but that conversion is town and the dude i investigate is either town/scum. Thats it.

On November 08 2018 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is there might be some dumb townspeople who can ruin this shit, so i'd rather take my chances on having two chances on passing one team before me than one. If you can convince people to accept you+grack over kita+grack then i can vote no here. It's up to you.