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+ Show Spoiler + Look a distraction | ||
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On October 20 2018 03:34 prplhz wrote: lets murder him for making a joke with a weird vibe ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel There's your scumteam. ##Vote: ruXxar | ||
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On October 20 2018 08:37 ruXxar wrote: So you happen to know exactly how many mafia there is. Interesting.. Maybe I'm missing something but 6 town + 2 scum seems like the logical spread. Is there a universe in which out of 8 players, 3 are mafia? Or one? | ||
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On October 21 2018 03:52 Holyflare wrote: sentinel: awkward entry [citation needed] | ||
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On October 21 2018 04:12 KelsierSC wrote: DAY 1 VOTING Holyflare (2): Koshi, byj byj (2): darthfoley, Holyflare Holyflare is set to be lynched Day 1 ends Saturday, Oct 20 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in Pretty sure the's more votes than that. | ||
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Doesn't cite his sources | ||
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On October 21 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote: Think you're missing something really. I don't accept circular references. Or smug assertions. I actually agree with this: On October 21 2018 04:13 byj wrote: hard to say anything before the first flip, especially with nobody talking And since you're the only one talking, and I have no idea who scum is, the best thing I can do is keep my vote on you to keep you talking. | ||
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On October 21 2018 06:55 Holyflare wrote: This is also absolute madness that nobody is talking and you'd rather vote the person that IS talking over literally everybody else when you yourself say because nobody is talking it's hard to know who to vote. You only started talking after you were set to be lynched | ||
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##Vote: Palmar Can't in good conscience say HF is actual scum | ||
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On October 21 2018 06:59 Holyflare wrote: would much rather vote ruxxar but I'm still dead and it's all your fault cheers Except for voting and killing byj, I couldn't've prevented that | ||
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On October 22 2018 09:53 byj wrote: Just woke up way too early, anybody here? I guess Scum held their shot tonight, note how we don't get an extra day from it, just makes the lynch harder. Disagree. We have 4 town votes instead of 3. | ||
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On October 22 2018 11:34 byj wrote: So if misslynch today and they get a kill it's 2-2 and over. Only thing it does is prevent a fake claim at the threat of there potentially being a vigilante/veteran. But now we have to work with a bigger pool of players =\ Because 67% of the playerbase will actually lynch scum instead of 60. There is a much easier lynching margin with 4 people rather than 3. | ||
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As of right now Koshi is still absent and has been since Day 1. What he says when he gets back will probably affect a lot of what I have to say. For that matter, the only time I can tell town Koshi and scum Koshi apart is when he spams up the thread because it's obvious when he tries to find mafia and when he doesn't. Moving on. byj is an interesting case because HF formed the bulk of the vote on him. That said, aside from hopping on the HF wagon his posts seem to indicate more letting others start the discussion and then hopping in with his own contribution. Once prplhz starts engaging him his posts get a lot more expository and contributing to finding scum. Or people who look like scum. But for now he looks green to me. As far as I know prplhz has never pulled off something on the level of being town and claiming a different town role for some sort of advantage to town. Tell me if I'm wrong. Which means we're in one of two universes. Either prplhz is actually vet and he did get shot (or there's a very lucky doctor in the game, but that doesn't affect this case) or he's scum and they shot someone else who was saved by doctor (because no vet counterclaim). So which universe is more likely? On October 22 2018 21:50 prplhz wrote: Because I voted him? This game is too inactive for shennanie or WIFOM and all this, scum shoot to kill someone who will vote them. I would disagree with this half of the sentence. Scum shooting someone who will vote for them becomes more obvious, not less, whenever there isn't any activity in the thread. It becomes blatantly obvious because it's at most 1 or 2 pages apart. Especially in the case where you are prplhz and you spend the entire day with your vote on me and even in the midst of Holyflare vs byj voting you not only don't change your vote but repeat in the thread that you think I am more scum than Holyflare (or byj). Which is a pretty towny course of action. Now of course if prplhz is scum he can tunnel the scummiest looking towny all day (yours truly - by design). But that would mean byj is town. Any one additional vote on him would set him to be lynched. And nobody aside from HF and darthfoley even hedged on byj being scum beforehand. Again, it's a small game with 9 pages and counting. If you want to save your buddy you'd have to come out of the woodwork ASAP (unless scumteam is darthfoley/byj - but then prplhz is not scum). The scum case is definitely more WIFOMy and convoluted than the town case. Combine that with being one of the few players trying to earnestly make logical sense (incorrectly - I'm town) of the first day/night, which in this game is the closest thing to actual substance. On the other hand: ruXxar has said nothing of substance this entire game. What separates him from Palmar and Koshi is that he's been posting throughout. In fact he calls me scum yet doesn't vote for me until 1) prplhz does, and 2) prplhz claims vet without counterclaim, making him the greenest living player. Whether or not prplhz is actually green, we're perceiving him to be green right now. And riding on the coattails of that without taking any sort of risk is scummy behavior. Especially since green prplhz vouching for ruXxar makes him seem greener by association in the event that I get lynched. If you're set on believing that I'm scum, keep in mind that he didn't commit his vote until there was no other possible candidate - HF is dead and byj is participating more - for him to lynch. As if he wanted me to attempt to dig myself out of my hole first while distancing from me, and then once he himself was safe and I was a lost cause, he put his vote on me. Then he can do this: On October 22 2018 17:29 ruXxar wrote: Btw koshi no longer super detective. Pls kill. And push for inactive/safe lynches assuming this game goes into D3. Darthfoley is the second scum for pretty much the same reasons although he's been saying more (still piggybacking on me w/o original ideas which I don't like). But I'm less sure of this read than I am of the previous one. ##Vote: ruXxar | ||
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Two things that outweigh that IMO: 1) The possibility of a doctor (if I was host and had a 9 player setup reduced to 8, I'd kick town an extra blue role to compensate, but that's just me) 2) Being able to lynch as 3-3 or 3-2 if fucking Koshi doesn't come back to the game | ||
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At the price of there being a 50% increase of wrong players one could vote for | ||
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On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote: Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread  What are your thoughts on my effortpost | ||
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On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote: + Show Spoiler + TL;DR I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it. BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame. And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. | ||
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On October 23 2018 21:11 byj wrote: Though wouldn't any other person have fit that purpose? How did HF's flip help you with a read onto DF/raX? Nah Correct. But I believe HF gave us the most info. In hindsight lynching you could've also been optimal since HF could exonerate himself as suspect number one, and then we could do the same analysis. Others didn't say enough to really reveal much if they got lynched and flip town IMO. But HF got lynched and that simplified the vote to the question if you are scum or not. If you are, then mafia had skin in the game. If not, then they could relax. Working backwards from there and my assumption is that DF is red and you are green. That ruX is scum is evident from his filter. | ||
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In the meantime, DF, could you tell me 1. Do you have any thoughts on my big post on the last page? 2. Who's your current scum team? 3. Of the other 3 people, why do you think they are more town than your 2 scum picks? | ||
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Game is solved but no prp so no win. | ||
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ruXxar that was some of the worst town play I've ever seen | ||
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So looking forward to more. I'll even host. | ||
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On October 24 2018 08:32 iamperfection wrote: tl mafia is dead absolutely atrocious play by both sides really how koshi dosen't get policy lynched for that day 1 is inexcusable. Ridiculously town favored setup and still manage to lose? Cop didn't know he was cop? How is that even possible if you read your role pm. how did you know you were town ? im actually flabbergasted Big assumption there buddy | ||
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On October 25 2018 00:47 Palmar wrote: This is almost entirely correct. We've been modkilling or policy lynching afk-ers for years. The difference is that high player counts masks a lot of problems. It's much less punishing to modkill people in 20-30 player games. Additionally, when games fill and start within a day or two, people are just more likely to be there. There's more reason to click the site when there's always something new going on. Teamliquid as a site has probably shrunk quite significantly. We've getting very little new blood in for a long time now. This has nothing to do with the community itself, as new players wouldn't have any kind of grasp on whether it is good or bad. I've actually been at the rise and fall of other online communities, and there may be a reason to discuss ideas on what, if anything, we want to do to preserve or take this one forward. So what are your thoughts regarding the best course TL Mafia can take? | ||
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On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote: It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts. I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity | ||
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On October 25 2018 05:51 Holyflare wrote: That didn't work out either though did it? Did your plan to lynch byj work out? | ||
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