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On October 23 2018 21:11 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it. Though wouldn't any other person have fit that purpose? Show nested quote +
I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way.
How did HF's flip help you with a read onto DF/raX? Show nested quote +Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. Nah 
Correct. But I believe HF gave us the most info. In hindsight lynching you could've also been optimal since HF could exonerate himself as suspect number one, and then we could do the same analysis. Others didn't say enough to really reveal much if they got lynched and flip town IMO.
But HF got lynched and that simplified the vote to the question if you are scum or not. If you are, then mafia had skin in the game. If not, then they could relax. Working backwards from there and my assumption is that DF is red and you are green. That ruX is scum is evident from his filter.
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Doing work all day but I'll be able to keep an eye on the thread from 5 hours before to 20 minutes after the deadline (1-6:20 eastern)
In the meantime, DF, could you tell me
1. Do you have any thoughts on my big post on the last page?
2. Who's your current scum team?
3. Of the other 3 people, why do you think they are more town than your 2 scum picks?
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byj you as well although you've answered #1, and you said you agree DF is scum and prplhz is town. Of me, Koshi and ruXxar who do you think is the second scum and why?
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If ruX/DF are actually mafia we can't win unless prplhz returns as well.
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Nah he voted. Which is the issue since there's already 3 votes on me and even if the 3 of us vote for one other candidate, the 3 on me take precedence and I get lynched.
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Unless prplhz is actually the second scum in which case DF needs to return to the thread and save the game.
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Let's get off me and then we can all talk about who we can switch onto and why.
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ruX is mafia.
Game is solved but no prp so no win.
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gratz to koshi
ruXxar that was some of the worst town play I've ever seen
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Thanks to players and hosts
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FUCK ME i was cop
I could've sworn I was vt 
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I take that back that was my fault then
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I still need to learn D1, kinda wish Palmar plugged that hole for me
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I was a little busy before D2. I wasn't lying about the I-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded strategy but the reason I did it in the first place was I couldn't find enough time to participate much D1. That said, even though I didn't solve the game, coming up with a big case on everyone really got me back into the spirit of this game.
So looking forward to more.
I'll even host.
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On October 24 2018 08:32 iamperfection wrote:
tl mafia is dead
absolutely atrocious play by both sides really how koshi dosen't get policy lynched for that day 1 is inexcusable.
Ridiculously town favored setup and still manage to lose? Cop didn't know he was cop? How is that even possible if you read your role pm. how did you know you were town ?
im actually flabbergasted
Big assumption there buddy
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On October 25 2018 00:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote:On October 24 2018 07:36 KelsierSC wrote:
Hosting Bebop Mafia is going to be my last participation with Team liquid and mafia for a long time. Most likely permanent.
I've hosted two games in a row to keep things ticking along but it feels like flogging a dead horse. Sign-ups take a long time and once the game starts there is usually an AFK and general apathy. We reached the end of D2 and had about 11 pages total. The way Holyflare got lynched D1 was a good example of what TL mafia has become.
I understand that as we all get older, lives get busier. Many players I enjoyed games with have moved away from the site. People's priorities shift, mine included and I don't have the time or inclination to continue with an experience that has become unenjoyable.
Thank you for putting up with me and I wish everyone the best.
Even in the "hey-day" of TL, the same issues above existed, just that the high player/game count buried it. Are you aware of other sites that dont have AFK and/or general apathy? I don't know of a solution is either. I have suspected for some time, the decay is a natural consequence of SC2 decline - among other factors as well. I look at some other forums and find the page layout to be really based on casual/phone posters, where the signature is more prevalent than the post content. But then, those threads also have auto vote counters etc; some even have automated hosts. I think that you cannot control what type of players you put into a game. Yes you can restrict, but you cannot force a playstyle. What you can control are the little niceties that make the experience smoother for all, and then put more focus into the game itself. Im not really sure where to go with that, I don't play mafia anywhere else. My 2c only, and it is a shame to have lost another player/host to the cemetery. This is almost entirely correct. We've been modkilling or policy lynching afk-ers for years. The difference is that high player counts masks a lot of problems. It's much less punishing to modkill people in 20-30 player games. Additionally, when games fill and start within a day or two, people are just more likely to be there. There's more reason to click the site when there's always something new going on. Teamliquid as a site has probably shrunk quite significantly. We've getting very little new blood in for a long time now. This has nothing to do with the community itself, as new players wouldn't have any kind of grasp on whether it is good or bad. I've actually been at the rise and fall of other online communities, and there may be a reason to discuss ideas on what, if anything, we want to do to preserve or take this one forward.
So what are your thoughts regarding the best course TL Mafia can take?
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On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread What are your thoughts on my effortpost + Show Spoiler +I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.
BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts.
I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa
I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity
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On October 25 2018 05:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2018 04:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 25 2018 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2018 10:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 09:39 byj wrote:On October 23 2018 08:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 23 2018 08:22 byj wrote:Zzz, guess it's time for me to go sleep again... and wake up to an empty thread What are your thoughts on my effortpost + Show Spoiler +I agree with you on DF, Koshi and prplhz, but I got no clue about ruXxar. I hate to say it, but it made you seem less scummy. But still what you said after the lynch makes you seem so scummy... even riding onto another lynch with HF is something beneficial for Scum I'd say, and something I'd do. Assuming you get it you have the chance to upgrade from a VT to a power role, and once pressed about changing the vote you could argue that it's because you think that HF was town - and thus implying lynch votes onto you are misdirected and should be onto HF if they really think he's scum... maybe I'm reading way too much into it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I'll go to sleep for real now, looking forward to hearing from you Koshi and ruXxar My D1 plan was pretty simple: 1) Lynch any good source of information. Especially in a game this inactive I have absolutely no idea who's town and who's scum (most of) D1. Whoever we lynch, hopefully it's contentious enough that we get different wagons. Maybe even if we lynched Palmar in absentia (like over the course of the day, not rapidly at the end), we would've had a productive conversation about it.
BUT lynching someone like HF who has said a lot of stuff will give us lots of information. If we lynch Palmar he has said nothing and the fact that he is town gives us no additional information (besides how people voted and why). If we lynch HF we get all that and we get to see lots of confirmed town posts. If he turned out to be scum we just stopped scum from running the thread in their frame.And you might ask "why didn't you lynch your scum reads instead?" which is the ideal town strat right? Right now my most probable scumteam is ruXxar and darthfoley. I would have no idea besides a very light suspicion on DF that those two were scum. Probably someone else would be an idiot or I'd somehow convince myself Koshi was scum and I'd get a towny lynched even if I had my way. 2) Get a wagon on me. First of all mafia is way more fun when everyone is talking about you. But second from my perspective I had no idea what to make of the game so I wanted to reduce the number of variables. Towns generally give more risky and more substantial arguments for lynching someone. Scums either tag along or have to frame the argument in which the target (me) is scum and ignore the one in which the target is not scum. I've used it before to varying success but usually it helps more than it hurts. Maybe it makes it a little more ass to play a game with me - I don't know, you tell me about that one. It's generally not a good idea to lynch the person doing the most talking in a game where there are 0 posts. I talked as much D2 as you did D1 and vice versa I wouldn't say much was lost in terms of activity That didn't work out either though did it?
Did your plan to lynch byj work out?
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