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Keep in mind that I have no internet at work so expect very low activity if I do play ^^ | ||
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On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote: Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead. What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? | ||
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Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. | ||
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On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote: @Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare Because I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCake Two reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote: Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste? Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah. This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote: He had the same thinking process as me - I have free time but no one will do shit - Actually I will try to do work - Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote: I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote: Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote: Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place. I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote: Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive On June 26 2018 12:30 CopCake wrote: Koshi, Vivax and Boxer I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town. In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:22 CopCake wrote: 1.- Stupid questionSSSSS? I only remember Rayns. 2.- I ASSUME you now think Regfan is town??? 3.- Me confusing members I dont know is common specially if I am not used to the member base, can ask Rayn, slenderman, etc. 4.- Oh sweetheart, I only cared for the inactives? Maybe that is why I jumped to explain why I think ticktock is town, or maybe why the regfan first post is a meme, or why Mocsta’s thinking process about my question is not bad. Like literally, if I tried to pocket people I would follow a train but nope 🚂 but nope this is cake giving her reads. 5.- “Cake says regfan is town for the seer comment etc meme whatever” Eh, I said that the post is NOT mafia indicative ^^ since no mafia would want to have the spotlight since the beginning. Nevertheless; I didnt like regfan asking me questions and throwing them away, like he got info, he didnt do anything with it but yet he is judging mocta for doing the same? (While mocta’s question is good so is quite ironic from reg) So now, tell me Calix, who told you to go after me? I am an Open Book and I think my process of thinking has been on top. 2. Since I'm arguing that you have TMI on several players, Regfan being one of them, this question answers itself. 3. I'm not sure what this part is in response to or how it is relevant. 4. Saying you want to put pressure on inactives and giving a list of inactive names (which mafia love doing this because it's safe and doesn't give away anything) is focusing on the inactives, yes. I don't give a flying fuck about your TMI town-reads because mafia already know who the townies are so obviously they can give reasons to town-read people. I care about who you think is mafia because that's the part mafia actually find difficult to fabricate. Where are your scum-reads? Where is paranoia? Where are the accusations? You prove my point because the evidence you provide to show you're not 'just focusing on inactives' is listing the (active) people you are defending/ town-reading. 5. If it isn't something that mafia would want to do then that implies Regfan is town for doing it without any prompting, not that he's null. If you dislike Regfan's aimless questions (from your point of view) then is that a scum read? Are you going to like, actually vote or anything? If he isn't a scum read then what is your conclusion on him and why? Why are you accusing me of being mafia? You don't explain how you reached this conclusion or how my post on you is more mafia-motivated than town-motivated. | ||
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On June 26 2018 18:56 CopCake wrote: Lol, Calix got heated and instead of fighting the people that pointed fingers at him his first post is to make a case of me 🤷🏽♀️ Ofc that shit is staged. Like any town would try to clean himself but creating a case of me (Bad one). Literally his case is “town do this, mafia do that” not wveryone play the same way. @mocsta Like forcing me to push someone lmao, I already said before I suspect HF and I am not liking the last couple of posts of regfan, specially his engage towards you If I have a scum read then why would I waste time defending myself when I could be figuring out your alignment and prove myself town through scum-hunting? What kind of shite logic is this?! Yes, I have certain ideas of what town and mafia would do in certain situations and I think your current play fits a mafia agenda better. I don't know how you play so I have to make general assumptions, duh. Hell, your very response makes an assumption about how town plays (town would want to defend themselves first and foremost) and then you criticise me for doing the same thing when it comes to reading you! If I'm wrong then I'm sure your townieness will shine through but right now? Nah mate. What's your problem with HF anyway? | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:08 CopCake wrote: HF’s case on ticktock was super bad “He stroke some phrase” He also never answered me, when I asked to explain me his case, probably one of the stupid questions I made  mDidn't HF just say that TT has a scummy tone and forced opening posts? I don't find it persuasive but I also can see how he might conclude that as town. And he just recently explained to Mocsta that 'the phrasing TT uses feels overly wordy for the little points he is making and it feels un-TT-like' so what does he have left to explain in your opinion? | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:16 CopCake wrote: Actually Calix. I assume you here are saying that Regfan/Gemma is town for posting a meme no? Or what did you mean with this? “Prefabricated” “Before getting a role pm” It is very... specific. Like someone would write that prefabricated... who on their right mind would? Your assumption is incorrect. I state in that very post you quoted that I think it's NAI. | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:18 CopCake wrote: It was supper bad, like I have played with HF before and he is good, super good. His TT case was bad, dissapointing. I have to interfere because I had his same process, TT didnt seem forced, and I think after that, he also looks super town. So a meta/ expectation read. Sure. Precisely how strong are your other town reads, may I just ask? I don't think TT is 'super town' myself; there just isn't enough evidence to have a read THAT strong in my opinion. So I would like to know how you have that much confidence since I'm not getting the same strong town vibes from people. I'm also going to divert the topic onto something more general since I don't know you very well: How do you play? How many games have you played? When was the last time you actually played and specifically when you played with HF? I'm assuming you're an old-timer who was dragged back from the Stone Age myself  | ||
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On June 26 2018 19:24 CopCake wrote: Explain your post to others, not just me. Others had problems with it also. Don't think there's much to explain. All I really say is "I think this post is NAI. While Regfan is here, I will ask for general info about him". Not that deep, fam. I read rayn's posts and I don't get why people think they're good since I don't even really understand them. His posts on me don't say much other than "any SMART person would have done X and Calix didn't do X therefore she's suspicious" and he didn't really explain mafia motivation. Basically he's insulting my intelligence, not calling me mafia. TT said my post was bad because PMs were sent out an hour before and thus it could have been AI. This is a moot point because it's a confirmed meme. I don't know who else said anything about it and think this whole meme thing has been flogged a fair bit at this point. | ||
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On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. So you say that I missed the possibility that mafia didn't read the OP and didn't know about the cop. Then say that "any smart person" (important qualifier that reveals you're not calling me mafia, just stupid) would have asked some questions instead of concluding it meant nothing. Then you make a very weak meta read that you're not really qualified to make. Forgive me if I'm not wowed by your analysis. I'm more convinced you're taking shots at me yet again as opposed to thinking you believe any of this makes me scum. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will tell you a secret. During work i went through every single mafia game i ever remember Cake playing on teamliquid and as mafia she has absolutely zero townreads during the first cycle. Literally zero. I will tell you another secret, there is simply no reason to think Cake is mafia because she is mostly interested in my alignment or what i think her is. You could simply just go look at any game we have played together in in last years or so. Painting one question you can't understand (while you could just simply ask -- or go check) as "useless questionS" is not only lazy as hell, it's also misconstruing the whole thing in the first place. Third secret. Who needs Gemma the seer when you have Calix the "i didn't really care to read anything much i just went to some random person's filter that btw doesn't make any sense to go to in the first place given the playerbase and hallelujah!! Every post was a mafia post!" yeah right. Looking for mafia or looking for a lynch? The only potentially good point is the meta thing and how that might point to a town!CopCake. But it's not something I'm going to bet the bank on unless it's relatively recent meta. The fact that you're accusing me of not 'looking at any game [you and Copcake] have played together' in a 200-post game when I already stated I have time constraints is such an unreasonable expectation to have. I think you're nitpicking at what I didn't do to paint me as 'not trying hard enough to understand CopCake'. You made the assumption that everyone has the time to go digging through past games to fact-check things and me not doing this at the start of the game is somehow mafia-indicative. Oh, and that being "lazy" means anything. As for your last paragraph, I looked at CopCake's filter after that post I didn't like so it made perfect sense to read, and then noticed the rest of the filter was bad. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:24 Regfan wrote: I'm just going to leave reading you to Regfan, because I don't understand how you are ever town after that post. -G Explain? | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix you have been around postwise three hours easily more than me now yet the only thing you have managed to do is to get on a shitting contest after Cake already told you basically half of the things i did. It took me like 5 minutes to find all the games she has played on TL. It took me like 15 minutes to read the filters until D2 (or N1 -- i don't think "D2 meta" can be compared to early game anyways since it just simply cant because the amount of information available). Here are the games go see by yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510083-1-day-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501883-pick-your-power-intriguing -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/495390-crossfire-mafia -- town In the first three games i did play aswell. This took 5 minutes using the search, which anyone is aware of if they have played mafia on TL. I do not believe you can simply just be so simple minded you decide that "oh those things jsut make her mafia" when you have absolutely no clue about her personality or how she plays. Like Gemma's approach to the situation is perfectly valid, so is Mocsta's. They take the route where they actually think about what something means and try to make some sense to something that doesn't make sense for them atm. You just pick a post, sometimes even completely misrepresent it (see the questionS) and decide it is a mafia post). It is jsut not an approach a townie takes. Uh, so what if I've been awake for longer than you have? I have a life. I do non-mafia-related stuff. This is you yet AGAIN imposing this expectation of what I "should" have done by X arbitrary point that isn't founded in anything and which you're not applying to any other player. Yes, I don't know about half the players in the game, don't really know most of the other players, and have to make educated guesses as to their alignment with incomplete information. That's literally why I'm playing this game. Your point? I don't know how to respond to the last two sentences since you don't give much evidence. Sorry to say that the difference between plural and singular with 'questions' does not count. In any case, talking to you has made me more convinced that you are also mafia. I don't get the impression you're actually talking TO me, more AT me, and I see no evidence you care about why I'm doing anything. It reminds me of talking to CH from last game if we're going to use meta references | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:59 CopCake wrote: Lol what is this, make hard accusations and when someone debunks you or has more experience playing with someone suddenly his reasons are invalid? What the fuck are you on about, lady? I said his meta point on you might be valid but that it's not a reason to throw out my suspicions on you. And if you think that I'm going to stop scum-reading you on the basis of meta alone and not from anything you've said THIS game, you have another thing coming. Pick up the pace or get lynched. It is that simple. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:05 Mocsta wrote: lol this is the post that made me solidfy my read on calix vs cupcake Mainky because of how calix broke out of character to address rayn The tone is so different.. somewhat fearful compared to with ubk own cupcake I.e. hamming up aggression out of fear Did this guy who has literally never seen me play before just say that me being 'aggressive' is out of character? JFC. If I'm your scum-read then why aren't you trying to talk TO me here? I'm literally right here in the thread with you and you don't seem to give a shit. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:28 Holyflare wrote: But it's not funny and that's my point. If it's a joke it's trying too hard to blend in. If it's real it's unnatural. Just feels wrong no matter what to me. Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:46 Holyflare wrote: I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it. Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing. Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said. No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak. Why am I scummy exactly? I agree Vivax's post is bad. And how so re: Conversion? | ||
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