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Regfan
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will tell you a secret. During work i went through every single mafia game i ever remember Cake playing on teamliquid and as mafia she has absolutely zero townreads during the first cycle. Literally zero.  I will tell you another secret, there is simply no reason to think Cake is mafia because she is mostly interested in my alignment or what i think her is. You could simply just go look at any game we have played together in in last years or so. Painting one question you can't understand (while you could just simply ask -- or go check) as "useless questionS" is not only lazy as hell, it's also misconstruing the whole thing in the first place. Third secret. Who needs Gemma the seer when you have Calix the "i didn't really care to read anything much i just went to some random person's filter that btw doesn't make any sense to go to in the first place given the playerbase and hallelujah!! Every post was a mafia post!" yeah right. Looking for mafia or looking for a lynch? a) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real. b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her. c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced. c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing. d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her. And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much. | ||
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What I meant with missing process was more the "here are suddenly all of the hard stances that I have" out of nowhere type thing, that I didn't see coming at all from your previous posts. Which, I guess can just be playstyle? I need to touch base with Regfan, he wanted to take point on reading you and I trust him more with it given his familiarity with your meta anyway. -G | ||
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On June 26 2018 20:10 Calix wrote: I don't care about what kitaman did last game. I'm not kitaman nor am I scum. So you say that I missed the possibility that mafia didn't read the OP and didn't know about the cop. Then say that "any smart person" (important qualifier that reveals you're not calling me mafia, just stupid) would have asked some questions instead of concluding it meant nothing. Then you make a very weak meta read that you're not really qualified to make. Forgive me if I'm not wowed by your analysis. I'm more convinced you're taking shots at me yet again as opposed to thinking you believe any of this makes me scum. I guess if Calix has a stronger wolf game then this post isn't something I would townread. I could be reading him on too low of a level. The reason I thought this was town was because I don't really think that's how wolves talk to people scumreading them very often. Like, there's discrediting the person pushing on you when you're mafia, and there's saying "I don't believe your scumread on me is real", and it takes two different breeds of wolves. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:52 Calix wrote:In any case, talking to you has made me more convinced that you are also mafia. Also uh, I wouldn't say tonereading is my specialty by a long shot, but, ew. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:59 CopCake wrote: Lol what is this, make hard accusations and when someone debunks you or has more experience playing with someone suddenly his reasons are invalid? I actually found his clarification response pretty helpful, I just didn't understand his first post about you. -G (Flood control sucks.) | ||
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-G (Fyi I am INFP. I play against type a lot of the time because my intuitive side needs that grounding in process and fundamentals or I just fall off track and lose myself.) | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:34 Mocsta wrote: thats exciting for me Im your complete opposite.. entj We are meant to be mentors for each others weaknesses :excitedjumpinghifiveanimeemoji: Night! -G (Also I kind of suspect that Regfan is going to read through and end up exactly where I'm at right now given how closely matched all our thoughts on the game so far have been, which means we'll probably put out a readlist or something tomorrow that will be full of goodfeels about where we're at with the game. Looking forward to seeing what you think of it / how your reads compare.) | ||
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Actually going to sleep now. -G | ||
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Regfan doesn't proof my posts before I post them and I don't proof his. We don't always know what the other person is going to post. When I was pushing on you, he was at his girlfriend's house, and he wasn't really available. He sent me a message around the time I made my first post saying your read on CopCake made no sense, but he hadn't read up and we didn't talk about anything else. I don't know what he's going to think about any of that until he finds time to read it and let me know. He told me that he wants to take point in reading you, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have my own read on you or try to figure you out, and he also wants me more in charge of figuring out scum reads / our lynch for today while he takes care of townreads more. It just suits our respective strengths to do it this way. There has been very very little I have disagreed with him about, so pretty much everything he has posted you can take as me having that read too. We both felt bad about you at similar points, him slightly before me, then felt good about you at the same time (I started off by immediately calling you town based on your push on my copypasta, and he said it wasn't AI because of meta stuff and actually was really worried about what you were doing). We both felt good about TT at the same time. We both felt bad about mocsta at the same time and we both great about him at the same time. We both felt bad about CopCake at the same time. All of them for very similar reasons. I didn't like some of his reasoning on mocsta early, and I thought some of his other reasoning was bad (he said something like the "you're never going to lynch me" was townie, which feels like a typical meaningless thing that Regfan will read into in the wrong way early because he sucks at mafia), and he thought some of the things I posted were bad (there's generally going to be a bigger ratio of that, because I do more things that he dislikes than he does things that I dislike, mostly due to playstyle differences), but that's about it. I'm including his knowledge that you and CopCake are dating as meta knowledge, I guess. And you've not exactly been a small presence so far. I don't really know what else to say other than you're wrong? That's not really helpful for you, though. If you want to quote posts that don't make sense to you together then that might help, but I don't understand how you think that we've had different opinions when the only time our opinions have been out of sync has been when we're not caught up together. Like, one of the main things that we've done this game is voice our concerns early about mocsta, and we were both looking at pretty much the exact same things at the same time, which we both posted about, and which we then realized were wrong at the same time. All of that is in the game thread, except I didn't +1 our mocsta townread, and I was annoyed that he wasn't reading us properly and took longer to feel completely sold on it. It could be inexperience dealing with hydras? I'm not sure if you expect both of us to just say the exact same things all the time or not, but that doesn't really make sense, it would be annoying and redundant for everyone else to read if we just went "yes I agree with my hydra partner here is a slightly different telling of that same read" all game. We both focus on slightly different things and divide the work so that we can get more done and express both our individual perspectives properly. | ||
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It looks too logic-heavy for me to parse when I'm heading out the door sorry but I like Calix votes right now based on how he was positioning himself on CopCake last night. -G | ||
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Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces. -> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not. -> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere. -> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily. - R | ||
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Current headspace is that I'm very confident (Bet the game level) that there's never more than 1 scum inside of Rayn/Calix/Cake, have Rayn/Calix as non-aligned, Rayn/Cake as non-aligned and Calix/Cake as non-aligned meaning it's going to take a looooot to convince me to lynch inside that grouping since the odds of hitting mafia outside of that is significantly higher. - R | ||
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