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On June 26 2018 11:35 Regfan wrote: My read on TT is without a lick of meta involved in it, if you've done some meta research that suggests he's town here, I think mentioning that is rather important -- I need to be able to follow /how/ you're getting to reads in this game here and the way it played out didn't really do that. What's your reads/thoughts on Mocsta at the moment? We both read a lot of his posts as him feeling somewhat detached from the actual game thread in a way I see mafia do more often than not, where he's there posting things that seem /somewhat okay/ but then looking at the body of content and going "huh". I'd imagine you've got some actual meta on him, is this something you'd say fits more his town/scum play and why? (Pretty much if you're town here dude I need to see it via your thought process/solving, please) -R Basically what i found out to be mostly correct is that tt makes more detailed and not all over the place posts more likely as town in comparison to as mafia. It's partly meta partly just gameplay. Especially him looking like he is thinking about what he posts mid-post aka the post on Calix seems to me way more likely to come from town than from mafia. idk it is hard to explain, i think he can make a post like that as mafia as well but i don't think he makes THAT specific post as mafia, post would probably be more lazy and have a different umm... goal in mind that it seems like it has. | ||
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I will tell you another secret, there is simply no reason to think Cake is mafia because she is mostly interested in my alignment or what i think her is. You could simply just go look at any game we have played together in in last years or so. Painting one question you can't understand (while you could just simply ask -- or go check) as "useless questionS" is not only lazy as hell, it's also misconstruing the whole thing in the first place. Third secret. Who needs Gemma the seer when you have Calix the "i didn't really care to read anything much i just went to some random person's filter that btw doesn't make any sense to go to in the first place given the playerbase and hallelujah!! Every post was a mafia post!" yeah right. Looking for mafia or looking for a lynch? | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:13 Mocsta wrote: small thing But if calix is mafia. Its not with tictock Actually when Holyflare made his post on tictock i tried to think about that quite a bit and i wouldn't be so certain of that. Grackaroni and FF once completely fooled me with some dumb "early game alliance" just like that. | ||
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Here are the games go see by yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510083-1-day-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia -- town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501883-pick-your-power-intriguing -- mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/495390-crossfire-mafia -- town In the first three games i did play aswell. This took 5 minutes using the search, which anyone is aware of if they have played mafia on TL. I do not believe you can simply just be so simple minded you decide that "oh those things jsut make her mafia" when you have absolutely no clue about her personality or how she plays. Like Gemma's approach to the situation is perfectly valid, so is Mocsta's. They take the route where they actually think about what something means and try to make some sense to something that doesn't make sense for them atm. You just pick a post, sometimes even completely misrepresent it (see the questionS) and decide it is a mafia post). It is jsut not an approach a townie takes. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:42 Regfan wrote: a) Cake never having made a townread during the first cycle isn't a reason to townread her in this game, that's such a copout way to townread someone and I don't understand how it's real. Ofc it isn't because she has never ever made one as mafia yet she does that every game as town. Another thing regarding this is that i was thinking, when i went from "idk" to "yeah she's probably town", was when someone (i think) questioned her from the townreads on Conversion and Tictock. I don't simply see any reason ever, as mafia, to say at that point that Conversion and TT are town, unless you actually have some weird way of thinking they are. that eventually lead me to read her past games which eventually lead me to what i said before. b) You aren't even explicitly saying that you do townread her or giving reasoning for townreading her, so much as saying there's no reason to scumread her. I am quite clearly saying i think she is town. c) The way you're talking through this whole post as if your reads have already been thoroughly established, but they haven't, and there's a huge gulf of missing process where I have no idea where anything you're saying is coming from. It's like you've jumped into positioning yourself in a certain way that feels really forced. And i have no idea where this missing process is, because in the post you didn't understand i clearly explained the process thoroughly. I am sorry i didn't use 1000 words. c) You're not talking about Calix as if you even think he's mafia. You're coming at this from sideways still, and it's like you're more interested in making Calix look stupid and bad than really scumreading him or actually analyzing anything he's doing. I think it's pretty clear i am, and have been calling her mafia from the moment i +1'd Mocsta's post. I myself do not think you must always write with big red letters "THIS IS WHY THIS PERSON IS MAFIA NOW HEAR ME OUT!!" to make it clear what one thinks. I don't do that. Except when i do. d) You completely ignored my posts on CopCake, despite apparently townreading her, which again makes me feel like you're not really interested in seriously digging into her alignment or approaching any of this honestly, so much as discrediting Calix's push on her. And Regfan just told me while I was writing this that you're dating CopCake, so that's a thing apparently. Don't think it really changes how I am reading this from you very much. I think my posts starting form p11 should answer your posts, even if i don't directly address my posts to you. | ||
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On June 26 2018 21:58 Regfan wrote: Alright, thanks rayn, I'll make a point of rereading your ISO. It's late and I'm overtired and grumpy, so I'll do it tomorrow. What I meant with missing process was more the "here are suddenly all of the hard stances that I have" out of nowhere type thing, that I didn't see coming at all from your previous posts. Which, I guess can just be playstyle? I need to touch base with Regfan, he wanted to take point on reading you and I trust him more with it given his familiarity with your meta anyway. -G I have been at work since i said i am going to go to work. I hardly ever quote posts or make bgi posts at work since i hate phoneposting and touchscreens. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:23 Mocsta wrote: Off topic but common misconception Introvert has nothing to do with how you behave in social situations Fact is. We can all be life of the party in the right conditions. Some just reach those conditions easier. I type you as reliant on introverted thinking and intuition. Intro thinking is about logical accuracy. HF is a clear example. Many Ti users fant let go of something factually incorrect even if it doesnt change the outcome. Intro intution is about converging random info into a cinclusion... the problem being you are not always aware of what the inputs are. Ehich leads to challenges expressing why something so simple to the user is so complicated to anyone else. Anyways. Nuff off topic Yeah i kind of figured it means something else. Not completely true but close enough. | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:43 Regfan wrote: (Also I kind of suspect that Regfan is going to read through and end up exactly where I'm at right now given how closely matched all our thoughts on the game so far have been, which means we'll probably put out a readlist or something tomorrow that will be full of goodfeels about where we're at with the game. Looking forward to seeing what you think of it / how your reads compare.) Funnily enough this is the only thing i find weird about the hydra right now, except that it's the opposite. Like how disconnected they are from each other and they don't really share any thoughts that actually show up in the thread.... | ||
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On June 26 2018 22:52 Regfan wrote: We look at different things and talk about things in different ways, but the overall way we look at the game and the reads we end up at are typically very very similar (and they have been this game, with a few little discrepancies because he has meta knowledge that I don't and he's in a better place mentally/emotionally than I am). I'm not sure why else you might feel like we've been disconnected, it feels to me like we've been talking out of each other's brains for the most part so far. Actually going to sleep now. -G Well your reads on me and Mocsta aren't matching each other at all. I understand this might be due to you each other personally answering to posts regarding (and to) us, but i can't simply see why the other person does (or did) scumread us and the other one doesn't and where that has changed. Basically this post i believe sums up pretty close to your hydra's behavior especially regarding me and Mocsta throughtout the game so far: On June 26 2018 12:23 Mocsta wrote: The difference in play between you and gemma leans me mafia. On June 26 2018 13:21 Mocsta wrote: My recollection of regfan is lots of "process" nitpicking that leads nowhere It is not necessarily scummy per se but like... playing as a hydra it is the easiest thing ever to prove your towniness by showing the thought process throughout two people and i don't just see any. It's like two different people playing acting as their own. | ||
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