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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 07:43 GMT
#311
Ahhh so u +1 me now i see
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 07:48 GMT
#312
On June 12 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 16:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2018 16:20 Holyflare wrote:
The nk is super weird and it makes me think about Mocsta being mafia more and more. Not only does he talk about medic dodging but a Superbia kill effectively gives no information and was imo a waste of a nk since he'd done nothing.
u farny

BTW, do you note the self-contradiction by stating superbia gives no information (optimal for mafia) and in parallel state it was a waste of nk (presumably because it wasnt you lol)

i really dont recall you randomly throwing rocks to see what shatters... hmmmm.. should i be reading this last game of yours?


This is exactly why I think it implicates you. I don't give a crap about giving no information. I just nk people that oppose me and give the game life via talking a lot until it's a dead thread and you command it.
i may care about no info. But thisvgame is all murky

Pointless and stupid item you raise
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 08:00 GMT
#313
On June 12 2018 16:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I kinda doubt I'm getting shot, but if I do rayn and Mocsta should be the ones you guys focus on tomorrow. I still need to do a reread myself since I've only really skimmed the n1 stuff.

I really have no idea who the third could be. I could honestly come up for a reason for basically every other player why they could be mafia aside from tube and slender and that's only because they haven't posted anything.

They obviously all can't be mafia, but at the same time I'm also starting to get concerned about the assumption that only 1 of them is scum if its rayn + mocsta. Late game is going to be a complete mess at this rate.

-super started out okayish, but has shown no interest in yesterday's lynch.
-fuba has no reads and then shows up with the ninja Palmar vote
-Rels seems like he threw out a post because he needed to say something, but it doesn't seem like he strongly believes anything he has said and just calls a bunch of stuff weird
-koshi threw away his vote when he could have hammered rayn, but I guess he wasn't obligated to post that he was around or preferred rayn over Palmar
-KSC no idea
-iamp is posting nothing but throw away comments that aren't relevant to the game aside from the rayn vote
-HF's most recent post about me being mafia has me a bit concerned because we basically share the same top two scum reads. Doesn't seem very consistent from his viewpoint.
-grack threw away his vote when rayn was the logical choice for him.

Guess we'll see who flips and go from there.


I think this is an extremely surface level post that is effectively a glorified list post that says the whole game could be mafia. Pretty bad imo.

Other than the shameless +1 this is ironic as its a position you have sort of advocared
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 08:19 GMT
#315
On June 12 2018 17:16 Holyflare wrote:
Yes but I didn't make it my "last will" and I didn't waste my time writing about every player in the game when I said it in one sentence.

Touche

I will pay that the credit it deserves
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 11:23 GMT
#321
On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made

Yawn
You sir are getting me confused with this guy

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 12:24 GMT
#323
Koshi 316/417
Real bad

Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia.

Blatantly hiding behind others reads.
I would like to know if koshi read on kitaman
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:12 GMT
#350
On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.

I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.

Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.

I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance.
What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish.

What is it...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:14 GMT
#351
On June 12 2018 23:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Mocsta
Rayn
HF

In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game.

I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.


#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?

On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
#213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it.

like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker.
Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker?

in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on.

Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction.
i suspect im not far off the mark though.



Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made

Yawn

I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels.

Voting Koshi.
I am seeing the light.
I note that Koshi avoided giving me a read on Kitaman too.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:18 GMT
#352
On June 12 2018 23:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Part of rayn's scum read on Palmar is that Palmar had a mafia read on rayn, but wanted to put it off for a later date. Now rayn has a "100% mafia" read on HF and tells us to lynch him day 4?! How isn't that blatantly scummy?

People that are defending rayn are focusing too much on whether or not rayn had a valid reason for thinking Palmar was mafia. Palmar's play sucked. It's whatever. That's not what makes rayn look so bad in my opinion. It's the way he waited to go hard against Palmar until later and the way all his views on players in this game are based on whether they town or mafia read him.

1) Palmar scum reads rayn but doesn't want to deal with it during the weekend
2) rayn calls the read in-genuine but leaves it at that
3) Several players including Palmar vote rayn making him the top vote candidate.
4) Palmar is 100% mafia and votes him
5) rayn attacks kita for his vote
6) casts suspicion onto iamp for his vote
7) rayn buddies up to the individuals who are on his side of the wagon
8) rayn survives the lynch
9) Kita is 100% mafia and votes him
10) HF is now 100% mafia and votes him too after a very leading question about "why is he alive" and having the chance to engage him in the thread. Wants to vote for HF day 4 though so why isn't he still pushing kita as the main lynch?

He seems more interesting in attacking whoever is directly opposing him at the time.
I believe the Day4 post was a joke in spite.. about how ppl say, we will save HF to the end, and then as mafia he convinces you to vote town.... self-fulfilling prophecy.

Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case?
I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy?
Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read.

This is another summary list post blown out like a hot air balloon.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:20 GMT
#353
On June 13 2018 00:03 Koshi wrote:
Kita tries hard but I like it
This read is consistent with the comment made about rayn
Take back comment b4.
Didnt see this.

What makes you say he is trying hard?
all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:25 GMT
#354
On June 13 2018 04:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you find my posts on rayn and mocsta convincing or do you not feel that the arguments are valid?
Not valid. Grack actually did a pretty decent job of disputing.

I think you are also misrepresenting the vote intensity stuff.. even if you are pushing a mislynch, mafia dip the toes in all the time before jumping in the pool - thus its equally, if not more, applicable.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 22:29 GMT
#355
On June 13 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
Sure, his eod points make sense. His early day points don't exist and if they do they're wildly exaggerated or tmi.
I think we can all agree to that.

So the question then becomes, is mafia more likely to have a bad start and snowball .
Or is town more likely to have a bad start and snowball.

I think option #2 is more likely, especially, as rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style.

Can we move on please.

Lynches for today should be kitaman, koshi and possibly fuba subject to me checking out a mafia game of his (as I that link grack sent is showing a marked difference in play)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 23:01 GMT
#357
On June 13 2018 07:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.

I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.

Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.

I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance.
What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish.

What is it...


I lean town on him if it wasn't clear.
thats my case in point.

admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing.
what does genuine have to do with town?

what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 23:19 GMT
#361
The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good.
But this is why you are scum kita...
Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible.

See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence.
Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 23:21 GMT
#362
On June 13 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 07:29 Mocsta wrote:
rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style.


What? He's been a non-factor this cycle.

The only the he even mentions me is "kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it?".

Then he catches HF but has done not much at all to get him lynched.
That is far-fetching.

Hes in the top 3 posters this cycle surely.

Hes definitely less of a non-factor than:
tubesock/Koshi/Rels/KSC/iamperfection/Slenderman
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 12 2018 23:27 GMT
#364
On June 13 2018 08:24 Grackaroni wrote:
There's not much to be done when it's just the same people posting all day.

I actually think Kitaman is town too now

I just want to hear more from Rels and Koshi.
*BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL*

fine, i will stop posting for a bit.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 13 2018 08:59 GMT
#375
HF:
I clearly mention the early game points you refer to.
I don't think its heavily relevant unless Rayn still thinks KSC is town - which frankly I would be shocked.

To say that Rayn threw out a town read early game as a crucifiable point is you being obtuse; because you haven't demonstrated how that read lead to a scum agenda. Its not like those people were under pressure to be lynched and that was used as a defense, and arguably it wasnt a pocket attempt either.

Not everyone is so smart and wise that they are so consistent in their thought process from start to finish to not have contradictions or opposting points of view - unlike you HF of course...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 13 2018 11:00 GMT
#379
Hf
Why did you drop kitaman out of your lynch pool
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 13 2018 11:18 GMT
#380
HF:
We dont play the same and frankly you call me mafia every game no matter what i do, because of this.
I'm pretty tired of you getting fixated on round pegs that fit round holes, thinking they should be square.
I'm going to keep calling out these posts of yours, so get used to it.

This is where i am at anyways
Holyflare
Rayn
fuba
kitaman27
tubesock
koshi
Rels
KelsierSC
iamperfection
Grackaroni
TheSlenderMan

Holy is intention half green as hes the weakest of my town circle.
Whilst the timing of fuba claim is questionable, I am inclined to outright believe it because of the observation Grack identified prior. That observation solidifies Grack as confirmed town for me as well.

I think HF is focusing on whats in front of him, cos 40% of the game is AFK. But overall I think the game is solved in that list of red and black.

In short this cycle: Kitaman27 >> Koshi >> Anyone else.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 13 2018 22:18 GMT
#461
On June 14 2018 06:49 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Feeling better about Mocsta after some of the early D2-posts. Tubesock OTOH seemed a bit weird during their discussion.

Feeling better about rayn after his words on HF. Not for the content, I'm not able to judge HF's meta or standing here, but the way they are spoken sounds like Town!rayn.

Is there a reason no one is interested in Lynching fuba?

Haven't read all of D2 but this is stuff I wanted to say rn. End of day is in 70minutes, not 10 minutes, right?

if i get lynched.. lynch this guy d3 please.
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