[M][N] Elementary Mafia

On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

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I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?



We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

On May 25 2018 20:04 Rels wrote:

4<1<2<3, so 2 and 3 are most likely, and in both 2 and 3 you're town

On May 25 2018 20:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw that HF went from calling me scum into only a very slight town in a spam of a few minutes? Did get a question:

Rayn's point was he thought a town HF would of called out rayn for his post here(assuming correct quote):

Thus I can see where he coming from because HF didn't touch that post at all but I didn't think he was scum for it.
I'll be honest I did miss that quote entirely by GB but I did follow the rest of the fight much closer though >.<

On May 25 2018 20:10 Rels wrote:

Don't agree. I don't think the first part makes rayn anything. And for the code part, I think it's absolutely possible that rayn get annoyed and "fight back". For example, he got modkilled to prove a point in Resistance V, where he used the exact wording of BH to make a post that got him modkilled, then tried to show how BH was an hypocrit.

On May 25 2018 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:

This:

Into:

On May 25 2018 22:41 Rels wrote:

I think he thought GB was parrotting him while pretending not to be. Don't have time to check before tonight though.

On May 25 2018 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:

Sounded like you did because you said 90% why I wasn't town which I thought you mean you were scumreading me at that time.

On May 26 2018 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really. He is scum though.

On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:

You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me?

On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.



Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia.

For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia.

Koshi is probably town.
Rels is probably town.
You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later)

I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy.

On May 26 2018 22:38 Rels wrote:

yeah. OK. That's not what I was trying to say exactly so let me try again.

I know it's frustrating to get scumread for stuff outside your control. I currently don't have any strong reads, but if I had to choose right now I would vote you. I'm sorry if you're town.

But it's not because I think you repeating "I hope more people plays" makes you scum. I know it's frutrating to get scumread because "meta", but I don't it makes you scum. But I also don't think it makes you town, like GB was saying at the top of the quote chain. I think you could do it as scum, emulating your last game where you also apparently also did it. I don't think it means anything.

On May 26 2018 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i am. I will try to explain it better when i am home.
But nevertheless i am not going to switch my vote unless Jealous starts playing properly, so ppl just have to do something about it, unless you wanna play with one less townie votewise. Well he could even be mafia but ita kinda imposaible to tell atm.

On May 26 2018 23:04 Holyflare wrote:


this literally says 0 words

it's so many words to say absolutely nothing

On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.

I've finally read up

Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB

GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.

Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack

Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"

Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null

On May 26 2018 23:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Grackaroni's reads list:

Town lean:

Rels - His attitude seems townie to me. I think Rels is more of an aggressive questioner as scum.

Raynpelikoneet - I don't think Rayn is pushing a mafia agenda. He's sticking with his Holyflare read that convinced absolutely nobody earlier and is bitching about Jealous posting pictures. I think he's acting like more of a grumpy townie than mafia and is playing in a way that will make people want to vote him for reasons that don't actually make him more likely to be mafia.

Koshi - I liked his posts earlier.

Probably won't vote today:

GlowingBear - I liked the posts + narrative that Koshi highlighted for Glowing bear as a reason to town read him instead of any of his actual content, but I'm not really very familiar with Glowingbear so meh.

No opinion:
darthfoley
LightningStrike
fuba
Jealous
byj
Holyflare

On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:

You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me?

On May 27 2018 00:38 Grackaroni wrote:

lol.

Is this seriously the part of the post that bothers you?

On May 27 2018 00:15 LightningStrike wrote:

Don't worry I discount your read on me since you can never really me for shit anyways <3 Anyways at least you posted something I was about to pm the mod to either warn you so you can actually post.

On May 27 2018 01:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Kinda meh overall like I agree with GB being town but I was hoping for more content in the post itself. Mainly I thought his babo read to shallow.

One other thing, Holyflare likes to lynch me and push me for lynch when he thinks i am mafia. This fact coupled with the above doesn't fit his town MO because he ACTUALLY seems to be thinking i am mafia but he isn't really doing anything with it, in a town!HF way. Rels knows this "no opinions, only facts" thing, it's pretty common for HF to act that wayand push stuff like it was truth even though he isn't even sure of it. That isn't happening right now, the scumread on me and the way he handles this is way too soft.

GB and LS are town, that's quite simple.

On May 27 2018 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well it it just untrue and and very simple minded.

On May 27 2018 03:02 Rels wrote:
I think DF is the best lynch.

On May 27 2018 03:15 Rels wrote:

1:


2: this game is very slow. Votes are all over the place. It feels like scum is just waiting and hiding, happy to let the game go at this slow pace. So this post as DF makes a ton of sense as scum, to just do the minimum and not more.

On May 26 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote:


In your first quote when gb tells people his read on me is based on what I would say as town or town with no time you give him a green plus but then when he elaborates on it later you completely change the green plus to a null/confused. Why?

On May 27 2018 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and?

On May 27 2018 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:
For now my hangover is too strong for me to catch up, so I just skimmed.

@HF: I meant "what's your read on me?"

On May 27 2018 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Both of the red parts are based on the assumption that i am town, otherwise it doesn't make any sense, but then:;

So one of the reasons GB is town is because mafia!GB doesn't go after town!rayn (which is also bs btw) but then he doesn't know if i am town or mafia (so why can't like.. we both be mafia for example??).

And this was not an off-hand comment, he even said it TWICE.

On May 27 2018 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so you're going to wait for another picture to "clear that up" or? the next one after? or after?
I thought his pictures were quite clear and understandable, or what?

.................

On May 27 2018 06:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Holyflare are you still scum reading Rayn?

On May 27 2018 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back, thought about Grack's alignment, I'm reconsidering it, also reconsidering my read on rayn, I don't see why rayn would protect him unless he is mafia with him, currently voting Jealous because of Grack's reasoning which sounds right.

On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


First I thought Grack can be town
Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack
Therefore, both can be town

Therefore I don't want to lynch them

Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads.

On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


First I thought Grack can be town
Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack
Therefore, both can be town

Therefore I don't want to lynch them

Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads.

On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote:

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Day 1 Vote Count

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Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
raynpelikoneet [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare
byj [1]: Jealous
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj

Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels

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Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.

On May 27 2018 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:


I already said Koshi looked town to me for the same posts rayn pointed out as scummy.

Well, HF, I'm trying to read the game from every perspective, and it looks to me there is a possibility where both are town. I can work them later. I can't work with scummy lurkers. I do this every day1. I always go against scummy lurkers in the end.

On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:

You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me?

On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:


Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia.

On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.



Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia.

For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia.

Koshi is probably town.
Rels is probably town.
You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later)

I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy.

On May 27 2018 07:16 GlowingBear wrote:


LOL I'm definetly playing like shit lately.

On May 27 2018 08:09 fuba wrote:
What are we confused about? O.o

On May 27 2018 08:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Any questions? I'm pretty sure I'll take a lot of flak for this although he was already the lynch even before HF's swap.

On May 27 2018 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:


It is a bit of a stretch to call him and yourself confrimed, isn't it?

On May 27 2018 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no, HF still mafia.

On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:

Well now I know who I can trust
My read now:
Town:
raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, Holyflare, GB, me for obvious reasons.

LS:
Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble
Fuba:

and him voting on Koshi makes me suspicious. I assume either LS or him is Scum, leaning towards Fuba
Koshi:
Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now
darth:
barely talked, no clue
Rels:

Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba

So if I had to take a guess I'd be Rels + Fuba who are our remaining Scum

On May 29 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
^
In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia.

On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote:

Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ?

On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:

lol. Quote it then.

On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:
Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town

I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people?

Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself)

On May 29 2018 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:


The only reason Jealous died was because I voted him and he became the main wagon BEFORE koshi.
Holyflare's swap didn't hammer Jealous.

HF, let me ask you something.

If I am mafia with Jealous, why would I flip my reads on Grack and Rayn and HAMMER MY FUCKING SCUMPARTNER?

On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

You're mafia.

On May 29 2018 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't want to get too caught up arguing over this.

You're focusing on a minus that should be outweighed by many pluses in GB's filter. If GB was scum and he didn't want to bus then he never would have voted Jealous in the first place.

On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town.

You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me.

You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread.

I have three main reasons to think you're mafia:
1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made.
2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his.
3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI.

On May 29 2018 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:


1) + Show Spoiler +
Proof you did it.

2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER.

3) + Show Spoiler +
No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi.


PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS:

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JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT?
If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is.
Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous.

On May 29 2018 08:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Here are you protecting him AGAIN!

On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it.

On May 29 2018 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:


I wasn't sure you were mafia until a few moments earlier. My reasoning is pretty sound right know. I have enough reasons to think you're mafia. Actually, I'm sure you are.

Sorry HF, I won't be talking to you anymore. You can defend yourself from my posts so people can choose between what they believe in, but I'm never, ever, changing my opinion on you.

On May 29 2018 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Why aren't you voting him already, then?

On May 29 2018 17:39 Rels wrote:
HF, GB is the reason Jealous was the first wagon that was consolidated, ahead of Koshi. Read the thread starting from here. If GB votes Koshi here, and it's easy for him to do, Koshi is very likely the lynch. So that makes no sense that GB is scum: UNLESS Koshi is scum. This makes no sense if Koshi is town. So, vote Koshi ?

GB, HF's attitude EOD1 doesn't make sense as scum. First, his bait move: this is a town move, and if you reread EOD, it actually makes sense. Scum very rarely do stuff like that. Second, his bait move ended up killing a scum. If there is one thing scum!HF is not afraid of, it's looking bad. As scum he would have voted DF easily. So unless you think the scumteam is exactly DF / HF, which makes sense by itself but has other problems (why didn't DF vote Koshi in that scenario), HF is very likely town.

On May 27 2018 11:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home was on mobile at EoD I will say that flip was nice and lol at GB and HF trying to make counter wagons at EoD. I guess scum was sort of afk at EoD I guessing? Hopefully we can find the last two scum.

On May 30 2018 05:41 fuba wrote:

Why do you have a problem with me trying to get Koshi to vote for DF?

On May 30 2018 06:38 Koshi wrote:
Honestly don't understand this why is Koshi not voting DF thing.
It's ok. I still think my game was sufficient.

Things I said I believed. Flip will proof it.

I didn't really scumhunt per se but I voted the correct people. You guys didn't today.
I should never die over fuba. And fuba had to die this game.
For his lack of content.

On May 30 2018 06:51 fuba wrote:

HF*

On May 27 2018 07:03 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm realising it now

On May 27 2018 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:


Exactly, and I was going to chase rayn but I kept not playing, and when I came back I had a reason to think he could be town.

On May 27 2018 07:03 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm realising it now

On May 30 2018 07:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Only reason I didn't vote is because idk if shannies going to happen or not.

On May 30 2018 07:17 LightningStrike wrote:

Fuba see my filter for why.

On May 30 2018 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:

His tone seems town but Fuba's filter was meh and his filter was mostly on me early which is kinda of odd.

On May 30 2018 07:47 LightningStrike wrote:

Because I not the only person in the game? His town sounded town after the lynch. Okay.........

On May 30 2018 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:


No, I said he kept saying you were scum but decided to vote byj.
Check it here:

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