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On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler + I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote: Grackaroni This is like 90% why ls isn't town and 5% on grack yet you vote the off hand comment instead. Baaaaad gb. | ||
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Then he votes jealous and gets mad and talks in codes for absolutely no reason. Looks like his pushes flopped and he's just clutching at straws for a reason to do not much imo. | ||
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On May 25 2018 20:04 Rels wrote: 4<1<2<3, so 2 and 3 are most likely, and in both 2 and 3 you're town I don't know how maths works | ||
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On May 25 2018 20:45 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and saw that HF went from calling me scum into only a very slight town in a spam of a few minutes? Did get a question: Rayn's point was he thought a town HF would of called out rayn for his post here(assuming correct quote): Thus I can see where he coming from because HF didn't touch that post at all but I didn't think he was scum for it. I'll be honest I did miss that quote entirely by GB but I did follow the rest of the fight much closer though >.< When on earth did I ever do this? | ||
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On May 25 2018 20:10 Rels wrote: Don't agree. I don't think the first part makes rayn anything. And for the code part, I think it's absolutely possible that rayn get annoyed and "fight back". For example, he got modkilled to prove a point in Resistance V, where he used the exact wording of BH to make a post that got him modkilled, then tried to show how BH was an hypocrit. The first part is definitely mafia perspective because he doesn't care about answers he's just spamming up shit basically. He THINKS gb said the same thing as him so why on earth did he pick on it in the first place? | ||
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On May 25 2018 22:38 LightningStrike wrote: This: Into: That's the reason I scum read gb? I never call you mafia. | ||
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On May 25 2018 22:41 Rels wrote: I think he thought GB was parrotting him while pretending not to be. Don't have time to check before tonight though. Wtf does that even mean?? | ||
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On May 25 2018 22:43 LightningStrike wrote: Sounded like you did because you said 90% why I wasn't town which I thought you mean you were scumreading me at that time. So why aren't you calling me out for voting gb instead? | ||
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jealous are you just gonna post in 50/50 scenarios all game or you gonna make decision making pictures? | ||
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On May 26 2018 08:37 Jealous wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2018 10:43 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I'm town. Rayn is mafia again. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet On May 25 2018 10:50 GlowingBear wrote: I kinda agree. We can start lynching rayn and holyflare. We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play. LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town. Grackaroni NAI opening. darthfoley NAI opening. On May 25 2018 10:51 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I've read it all. Just pointed out the ones I felt talking about. Me town. You town? I don't think you town. On May 25 2018 10:53 GlowingBear wrote: If Holyflare is town, he will come and comment stuff. If Holyflare is town and has no time, he won't have time to comment that he has no time. That's where I come from. On May 25 2018 10:59 GlowingBear wrote: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LS! Rayn is forcing it. I'm just having fun On May 25 2018 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: It says I don't like you and you might be mafia It says I don't like HF and he might be mafia It says I think LS may be town It's says a lot for only 2 pages of game. On May 25 2018 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm just typing as words comes to my mind I'm kinda euphoric right now And I'm not a native speaker. Also not a very good english speaker at all. On May 25 2018 11:07 GlowingBear wrote: I said HF could be mafia because: If he is town and has time, he will comment on stuff. If he is town and has no time, he won't even have time comment he has no time. Therefore, he might be mafia. Because we all know that coming to the thread and communicating you're town means nothing. On May 25 2018 11:10 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me why someone who has no time comes to the thread to communicate he is town and has no time to read a ONE PAGE GAME? On May 25 2018 11:14 GlowingBear wrote: No, your argument is that he didn't pick up a shitpost you claim you made on purpose. My argument is that if he is town he would either play the game or simply not post a single post until he has time. On May 25 2018 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't like your bait post. Looked forced to me. On May 25 2018 11:19 GlowingBear wrote: This. This is so forced. It either looks 1) You mean it, and talking about setup is something you're really against, which makes me feel you're mafia 2) You don't mean it and you're looking for a scum slip "OMG ONLY SCUM WOULD CARE IF IT'S 9v3 OR 8v3". We all know that there are no such thing as scum slip, so it makes me feel you're mafia. 3) "How about we figure out shit fast" is bad and forced, and it feels you didn't mean it. It feels you made this post for people to nitpick. But you're not one to make shitposts like this. Actually you always bashed on me for trying to do stupid things on purpose. This seems out of character. There. On May 25 2018 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: Just to get this clear: you're meta-ing me and you think I'm so lazy as mafia that I wouldn't bother to answer rayn like that? On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote: But LS, you said our fight looked forced. How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened? On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler + I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote: Grackaroni On May 26 2018 01:25 GlowingBear wrote: My wording can be confusing, but it's simple logic. If I don't see town motivation behind a post, it makes the guy probably mafia. On May 26 2018 01:28 GlowingBear wrote: Gut feeling: this post sounds townish to me. For some reason I can't see LS posting this as mafia. He is not really good at lying. I'll go with LS being town for now. On May 26 2018 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: This is me being transparent on my stream of thought regarding LS. I even said I have to rethink LS in that. In the other hand, it's clear I have a strong opinion on that post by grack. BAAAAD HOLYFLARE On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia. On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia. For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia. Koshi is probably town. Rels is probably town. You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later) I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy. + Show Spoiler + In your first quote when gb tells people his read on me is based on what I would say as town or town with no time you give him a green plus but then when he elaborates on it later you completely change the green plus to a null/confused. Why? | ||
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This is why rayn is mafia too. His first reason for me being mafia was complete trash and I pretty much thought it was to push me to do something or react but now that it's well over he has given 0 other reasons that I am mafia and can't even elaborate on anything as to why he posted like he did. Join me on the wagon of justice. | ||
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On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me? ^ very valid point: On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia. For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia. Koshi is probably town. Rels is probably town. You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later) I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy. | ||
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On May 26 2018 22:38 Rels wrote: yeah. OK. That's not what I was trying to say exactly so let me try again. I know it's frustrating to get scumread for stuff outside your control. I currently don't have any strong reads, but if I had to choose right now I would vote you. I'm sorry if you're town. But it's not because I think you repeating "I hope more people plays" makes you scum. I know it's frutrating to get scumread because "meta", but I don't it makes you scum. But I also don't think it makes you town, like GB was saying at the top of the quote chain. I think you could do it as scum, emulating your last game where you also apparently also did it. I don't think it means anything. this literally says 0 words it's so many words to say absolutely nothing | ||
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On May 26 2018 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i am. I will try to explain it better when i am home. But nevertheless i am not going to switch my vote unless Jealous starts playing properly, so ppl just have to do something about it, unless you wanna play with one less townie votewise. Well he could even be mafia but ita kinda imposaible to tell atm. such an unbelievable cop out he's posted actual reads | ||
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On May 26 2018 23:04 Holyflare wrote: this literally says 0 words it's so many words to say absolutely nothing You've: A) Said nothing that makes LS town or mafia? B) Didn't call LS mafia. C) Explained why you didn't call him mafia. D) Said you're not mafia reading him for meta. E) Said you'd vote him if you had to. | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote: So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning. I've finally read up Townie: Rels Jealous GB GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read. Scummy Rayn LS grack Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town" Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null You have rayn as mafia for reasons that I've outlined and I'm voting rayn and have given other reasons and I'm not in your town list???? | ||
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On May 26 2018 23:25 Grackaroni wrote: Grackaroni's reads list: Town lean: Rels - His attitude seems townie to me. I think Rels is more of an aggressive questioner as scum. Raynpelikoneet - I don't think Rayn is pushing a mafia agenda. He's sticking with his Holyflare read that convinced absolutely nobody earlier and is bitching about Jealous posting pictures. I think he's acting like more of a grumpy townie than mafia and is playing in a way that will make people want to vote him for reasons that don't actually make him more likely to be mafia. Koshi - I liked his posts earlier. Probably won't vote today: GlowingBear - I liked the posts + narrative that Koshi highlighted for Glowing bear as a reason to town read him instead of any of his actual content, but I'm not really very familiar with Glowingbear so meh. No opinion: darthfoley LightningStrike fuba Jealous byj Holyflare On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me? I think grack is mafia. That list post is super shit and his read on rayn is super out of nowhere and also bs but the worst of it all is that he has an open ended question to GB (above) that would likely make GB mafia if he couldn't answer it probably but he's content to just sit back and make a list post with no follow up to GB | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:38 Grackaroni wrote: lol. Is this seriously the part of the post that bothers you? what on earth else would bother me about it? | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:15 LightningStrike wrote: Don't worry I discount your read on me since you can never really me for shit anyways <3 Anyways at least you posted something I was about to pm the mod to either warn you so you can actually post. ls is either confirmed town or bming the game btw so that's cool | ||
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So, no, I don't agree that his reads are for bad reasons because I actually quite agree with them (at the time he made the posts (other than LS being confirmed town and myself not being town when I should be)). Pretty sure you're mafia. | ||
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On May 27 2018 01:44 LightningStrike wrote: Kinda meh overall like I agree with GB being town but I was hoping for more content in the post itself. Mainly I thought his babo read to shallow. Who is babo? | ||
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That's like 90% of your post too and it's baaaaaaaad. The other thing is you don't even really believe I'm pushing you but then you don't even check to see who I'm voting I'm voting grack because his read on you looks a lot like tmi and you haven't responded to anything yet. I still think you have a high chance of mafia but just not with grack. | ||
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One other thing, Holyflare likes to lynch me and push me for lynch when he thinks i am mafia. This fact coupled with the above doesn't fit his town MO because he ACTUALLY seems to be thinking i am mafia but he isn't really doing anything with it, in a town!HF way. Rels knows this "no opinions, only facts" thing, it's pretty common for HF to act that wayand push stuff like it was truth even though he isn't even sure of it. That isn't happening right now, the scumread on me and the way he handles this is way too soft. This is actually categorically false too because I have been pushing for your lynch, multiple times :D :D :D :D :D :D | ||
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why is he town? | ||
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GB and LS are town, that's quite simple. that's it on gb??? | ||
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why does that make sense? | ||
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You started to scum read me for something but did absolutely nothing with it and didn't push it any further, I still don't even understand how what you said is pushable when I don't ever read the op to even know how many people are in the game and you know that. The second is that when you dropped that and went after GB you were merely talking AT GB and even called him mafia but then did absolutely nothing with it too. You said he was mafia with me but maybe not, which is fine, but then you started arguing about really really semantic things like the exact wording of GB's argument against me for no reason other than to call his reasoning bad. You achieved nothing by doing it and didn't go back to pushing me. Then you just gave up, did nothing and policy voted Jealous to "hold the game hostage" for absolutely no reason. If you were sure I was mafia then you were effectively doing nothing with it. You've bided your time on this read of me but it hasn't changed once since apparently the beginning of the game and your read on me is simply something you misread. It's simply just poor play which I don't expect from your town game. There was 0 interaction with me, 0 pushes on me, 0 of anything. It reminds me SO SO SO much of this one mafia game you played like what, 3 games ago? where you effectively went afk and did absolutely nothing because of "policy" and came back to write a wall of text that people just called you town for but you were mafia it's gonna be really hard to get past that | ||
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On May 27 2018 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it it just untrue and and very simple minded. so your changed argument on me was that "HF as town pushes things he doesn't believe as if he does believe them to create pressure" it suddenly disappears lol? | ||
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On May 27 2018 03:02 Rels wrote: I think DF is the best lynch. why? | ||
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On May 27 2018 03:15 Rels wrote: 1: 2: this game is very slow. Votes are all over the place. It feels like scum is just waiting and hiding, happy to let the game go at this slow pace. So this post as DF makes a ton of sense as scum, to just do the minimum and not more. why is grack's post any different? | ||
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On May 26 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote: In your first quote when gb tells people his read on me is based on what I would say as town or town with no time you give him a green plus but then when he elaborates on it later you completely change the green plus to a null/confused. Why? ^ | ||
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If he's making a thoughtful read on GB's posts then why are the same posts reaching different conclusions............? Looks like he's just arbitrarily assigning pictures. | ||
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On May 27 2018 03:43 GlowingBear wrote: For now my hangover is too strong for me to catch up, so I just skimmed. @HF: I meant "what's your read on me?" I don't have a read on you other than you are on the scummy side of null imo. I'm having a bit of trouble after reading your filter tbh, I don't think you've really said a single thing. Specifically, I think it's your whole approach to the rayn/me situation. You think rayn might be mafia initially, you've agreed with my points on him and wanted a follow up and he's followed up since but you haven't interacted with him or re-evaluated anything around it at all and you keep making excuses to not play. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both of the red parts are based on the assumption that i am town, otherwise it doesn't make any sense, but then:; So one of the reasons GB is town is because mafia!GB doesn't go after town!rayn (which is also bs btw) but then he doesn't know if i am town or mafia (so why can't like.. we both be mafia for example??). And this was not an off-hand comment, he even said it TWICE. good catch | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: so you're going to wait for another picture to "clear that up" or? the next one after? or after? I thought his pictures were quite clear and understandable, or what? ................. it's not that black and white you know, if he really is town and wants to play to his win condition then at some point he's going to have to transition and answer questions I'm all for someone having fun and I'm not going to stop them. If his pictures didn't have that contradiction in them I would be quite happy with what he's done, even if it's just a GB read and a bunch of 50/50s. | ||
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On May 27 2018 06:03 Grackaroni wrote: Holyflare are you still scum reading Rayn? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 27 2018 06:07 GlowingBear wrote: I'm back, thought about Grack's alignment, I'm reconsidering it, also reconsidering my read on rayn, I don't see why rayn would protect him unless he is mafia with him, currently voting Jealous because of Grack's reasoning which sounds right. Protect who? If you're referring to grack then why the fuck would you ever write this when you think both grack and rayn are scummy???????? | ||
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On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote: First I thought Grack can be town Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack Therefore, both can be town Therefore I don't want to lynch them Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads. I still don't understand this at all. Nothing has changed other than rayn mentioning he's "too scummy to be scum" and you disagreeing with that as a fundamental premise that you believe in. I find it hard to see how you've rationalised yourself to this point AND THEN also make an unflipped association read with rayn based on your random change of heart on grack. It looks like grack has stopped becoming the flavour of the thread and now you've just jumped onto jealous over a good case on koshi while not really commenting on koshi? | ||
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On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote: First I thought Grack can be town Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack Therefore, both can be town Therefore I don't want to lynch them Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads. Didn't really say this either. | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed. HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game Never votes rayn. Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion) HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him). This wagon doesn't sound right at all. LS is effectively confirmed town, I'm confirmed town and am hedging on rayn. I also didn't even read those koshi posts until rayn has pointed it out. I've also definitely reevaulated rayn to be a complete hedge and see how it pans out. (Also think his vote on jealous while making a good koshi case is more towny than scummy). Fuba is just fuba, literally no opinion other than I think his post being sceptical of rayn looked pretty genuine. If you wanna talk about dodgy wagons you should just look right at the jealous wagon that's formed by a policy voting rayn, grackaroni who doesn't have a scum read and glowingbear who was voting with his two biggest scum reads that suddenly changed out of the blue based on little to no reasoning afterwards. | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed. HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game Never votes rayn. Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion) HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him). This wagon doesn't sound right at all. ah this was glowingbear and not grack posting even worseeeeeeeeeeeee wtf On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Rels [1]: Koshi, Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear GlowingBear [1]: raynpelikoneet [1]: byj [1]: Jealous Holyflare [0]: LightningStrike [0]: Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels Jealous is currently the lynch. The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. like it's right fucking there and you're not even reading the game! | ||
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there is no way he thinks the above NO WAY! He comes back after scum reading grack and rayn WHO I EVEN CASED AND GB AGREED WITH AND I VOTED to say that he doesn't like the wagon because I'm on it because I never voted rayn and didn't reevaluate rayn??????????? He also says the wagon is formed based on a flimsy rayn read but town reads rayn but clearly this post says rayn is posting an outdated read (so how the fuck does his town read on rayn even form) but then votes on the policy wagon rayn started????????? | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:12 GlowingBear wrote: I already said Koshi looked town to me for the same posts rayn pointed out as scummy. Well, HF, I'm trying to read the game from every perspective, and it looks to me there is a possibility where both are town. I can work them later. I can't work with scummy lurkers. I do this every day1. I always go against scummy lurkers in the end. NO! There is still that unanswered grack question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 26 2018 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me? | ||
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On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia. On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia. For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia. Koshi is probably town. Rels is probably town. You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later) I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy. First quote shits on a koshi being town read. Second quote makes a koshi is town read. Why? | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:16 GlowingBear wrote: LOL I'm definetly playing like shit lately. | ||
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On May 27 2018 08:09 fuba wrote: What are we confused about? O.o that jealous flipped vt but mafia also have vts | ||
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On May 27 2018 08:10 GlowingBear wrote: Any questions? I'm pretty sure I'll take a lot of flak for this although he was already the lynch even before HF's swap. why so maf? | ||
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On May 27 2018 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: It is a bit of a stretch to call him and yourself confrimed, isn't it? I'm confirmed to myself and ls is basically mod confirmed so no? | ||
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On May 27 2018 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, HF still mafia. hahahahahaha | ||
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On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote: Well now I know who I can trust My read now: Town: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, Holyflare, GB, me for obvious reasons. LS: Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble Fuba: and him voting on Koshi makes me suspicious. I assume either LS or him is Scum, leaning towards Fuba Koshi: Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now darth: barely talked, no clue Rels: Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba So if I had to take a guess I'd be Rels + Fuba who are our remaining Scum Why is GB "Town for obvious reasons"? | ||
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On May 29 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote: ^ In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia. I like it | ||
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GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote: Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ? really bad rels it's super obvious if you read the game even a little bit | ||
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It's before deadline where he says I never voted rayn and used it to try and deflect votes off the koshi wagon etc etc. THat's just one instance. Another is how his reads develop over time with no new critical thinking or development and then just magically change when the situation looks bad for his team mate. Something that massively weighs me in the favour of a GB/Koshi scum team is that GB scum reads rayn/grack ALL OF DAY 1 but then Koshi starts to be a wagon when rayn made his "outdated" case on koshi. Somehow that rayn and grack read magically changes to oh wait they're town now and he votes jealous with them. When I pressure him to explain that read he fobs it off and basically has NO reason that his read changed on them. The only correlation is that Koshi is up for lynch. We then know how the rest of the deadline went down where he basically switches off jealous for absolutely no reason and then criticises you multiple times for not voting jealous(?????). Furthermore, with regards to Koshi. I don't EVER believe he votes LS in this situation. If he has a pool of ls/fuba/df/you etc (which is already a major bs pool of basically people that didn't vote jealous) why would he vote LS? LS could have easily voted df in this situation to save Jealous but did not, Fuba as well. Koshi isn't critically analysing anything that went down at deadline. DF is the key to him solving the game but he refuses to vote there. I am pretty sure it's because it reveals that GB was the counter wagon initiator to save Koshi. | ||
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On May 29 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote: Rels's recent posts make me think he could be town I just reread fuba's filter and I see no apparent reason from him to vote Koshi. Koshi is correct that if Koshi is town, fuba's vote looks especially terrible and he might be mafia. Except I just checked and he was the first person on the Koshi wagon. Would scum!fuba start a counter wagon on Koshi, of all people? Frankly idk why mafia didn't just hammer me considering I was easy lynch bait yesterday and lots of people were okay with me dying (including myself) Fuba voted koshi based on rayn's case didn't he? | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: The only reason Jealous died was because I voted him and he became the main wagon BEFORE koshi. Holyflare's swap didn't hammer Jealous. HF, let me ask you something. If I am mafia with Jealous, why would I flip my reads on Grack and Rayn and HAMMER MY FUCKING SCUMPARTNER? You didn't hammer your scum partner. There was ample time to switch absolutely anywhere. Which you did. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare You're mafia. Really good reasoning. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: I don't want to get too caught up arguing over this. You're focusing on a minus that should be outweighed by many pluses in GB's filter. If GB was scum and he didn't want to bus then he never would have voted Jealous in the first place. I do not think there are pluses that you think there are. When I look at gb's filter I see reads that change out of nowhere, a lot of unanswered questions that he doesn't follow up on and a shit tonne of misconstruing and leaving all his options open. Even this whole cycle he keeps throwing my name into some arbitrary mafia list and now he's even voting me despite people pointing out obvious facts and logic gb agrees but then still keeps those options open because it's his only out for later. Even now I know he's just going to try and start a shit fight with me. | ||
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On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town. You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me. You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread. I have three main reasons to think you're mafia: 1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made. 2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his. 3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI. I literally don't care if everyone on earth called you town. That doesn't make them correct. What have I agreed with you about at all? I've made about 5 posts this cycle and one of them is that koshi is playing like mafia and should be the lynch. The others are that you are likely mafia. If you're not mafia then you should be playing out of your mind to convince me you're not and why someone else is but it's all omgus and useless crap like this that makes it really obvious to me you're mafia. You're literally saying I'm mafia who lynched mafia day 1 instead of literally anyone else and now on the next cycle instead of any other player in the game I just push. 1) I have never accused you of not doing things. This is heavily misconstrued. 2) I don't believe he's confirmed town anymore because he's done it again and it looks quite overplayed. I don't think he's looking exceptionally like mafia either though and nobody has made a convincing argument why he is but they just keep saying he is for no reason. 3) I have literally just been doing that. Another post misconstruing. | ||
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On May 29 2018 08:01 GlowingBear wrote: 1) + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote: I don't have a read on you other than you are on the scummy side of null imo. I'm having a bit of trouble after reading your filter tbh, I don't think you've really said a single thing. Specifically, I think it's your whole approach to the rayn/me situation. You think rayn might be mafia initially, you've agreed with my points on him and wanted a follow up and he's followed up since but you haven't interacted with him or re-evaluated anything around it at all and you keep making excuses to not play. Proof you did it. 2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER. 3) + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote: Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb? No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi. PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote: LS is effectively confirmed town, I'm confirmed town and am hedging on rayn. I also didn't even read those koshi posts until rayn has pointed it out. I've also definitely reevaulated rayn to be a complete hedge and see how it pans out. (Also think his vote on jealous while making a good koshi case is more towny than scummy). Fuba is just fuba, literally no opinion other than I think his post being sceptical of rayn looked pretty genuine. If you wanna talk about dodgy wagons you should just look right at the jealous wagon that's formed by a policy voting rayn, grackaroni who doesn't have a scum read and glowingbear who was voting with his two biggest scum reads that suddenly changed out of the blue based on little to no reasoning afterwards. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote: Ok I will vote an absolute 0 content poster and nobody else. Jealous is not an option because I think he has more to give and questions to answer. At least he posted a bit too. JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT? If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is. Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous. I changed my mind. I also wanted to figure out rayn and didn't think he'd actually start playing till jealous was dead because he's a dick so I just pulled a fast one and voted jealous. I still stand by that I didn't really want to vote him but I definitely didn't want to vote df at that point and you switching and looking for any other lynch made me want to go to jealous with hilarious bait anyway. | ||
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Is this false though gb? | ||
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On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it. Is this or is this not true? When did you begin to "think" I am mafia? The mafia progression is quite evident from setting me up as mafia and then finding things to fit the narrative instead of the other way around though. | ||
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"I won't ever change my mind on those posts I took out of context but have been setting up for the whole cycle" | ||
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On May 29 2018 08:16 GlowingBear wrote: I wasn't sure you were mafia until a few moments earlier. My reasoning is pretty sound right know. I have enough reasons to think you're mafia. Actually, I'm sure you are. Sorry HF, I won't be talking to you anymore. You can defend yourself from my posts so people can choose between what they believe in, but I'm never, ever, changing my opinion on you. This isn't what I asked though is it? If this is the case and you'd never seen those posts in my filter until apparently just now then why is the last two pages of your filter outlining situations where I'm mafia? | ||
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Koshi/gb/jealous is the trifecta. It's so obvious. You even say you don't think jealous is scummy but you'll vote him as the next leading wagon to save koshi (who you now say is conveniently the key to solving the game :D :D) but then still risk koshi getting lynched by unvoting jealous for a guy you don't actually care about voting. | ||
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Most important fact you left out. | ||
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Why aren't I voting you either? | ||
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On May 29 2018 17:39 Rels wrote: HF, GB is the reason Jealous was the first wagon that was consolidated, ahead of Koshi. Read the thread starting from here. If GB votes Koshi here, and it's easy for him to do, Koshi is very likely the lynch. So that makes no sense that GB is scum: UNLESS Koshi is scum. This makes no sense if Koshi is town. So, vote Koshi ? GB, HF's attitude EOD1 doesn't make sense as scum. First, his bait move: this is a town move, and if you reread EOD, it actually makes sense. Scum very rarely do stuff like that. Second, his bait move ended up killing a scum. If there is one thing scum!HF is not afraid of, it's looking bad. As scum he would have voted DF easily. So unless you think the scumteam is exactly DF / HF, which makes sense by itself but has other problems (why didn't DF vote Koshi in that scenario), HF is very likely town. Have you just been ignoring the entire thread? My whole point is they are mafia together. You even think koshi is mafia afaik so make some sense of deadline and put two and two together. Why is gb switching off jealous if koshi is mafia? It's obvious why. | ||
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On May 27 2018 11:02 LightningStrike wrote: Just got home was on mobile at EoD I will say that flip was nice and lol at GB and HF trying to make counter wagons at EoD. I guess scum was sort of afk at EoD I guessing? Hopefully we can find the last two scum. Ah I didn't see this post :s | ||
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Koshi, why are you not voting darthfoley when it is the key to you solving this game? | ||
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On May 30 2018 05:41 fuba wrote: Why do you have a problem with me trying to get Koshi to vote for DF? Because I think koshi is mafia because he's not voting df lol | ||
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On May 30 2018 06:38 Koshi wrote: Honestly don't understand this why is Koshi not voting DF thing. It's ok. I still think my game was sufficient. Things I said I believed. Flip will proof it. I didn't really scumhunt per se but I voted the correct people. You guys didn't today. I should never die over fuba. And fuba had to die this game. For his lack of content. It's really quite simple. You think mafia is within fuba/ls/df etc but at deadline they were all around and didn't vote df (obviously excluding df who didn't vote to save himself either). You don't even take this into consideration. Why did they not vote to save their partner by voting df? There's no reason unless df is mafia. Thus, from a town koshi perspective if you didn't get lynched and you're town it's because the only alternative wagon to mafia jealous was mafia and the other mafia was afk or ls/fuba. Thus df is key to solving the game to you. If he is mafia then gb/rels cleared and we basically have an auto list to win the game starting with ls/fuba. You don't think about any of this. | ||
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1) On May 27 2018 07:25 GlowingBear wrote: Exactly, and I was going to chase rayn but I kept not playing, and when I came back I had a reason to think he could be town. You agree you weren't playing/doing any follow up/had to keep disappearing so I'm not wrong. 2) redundant - have done so in many many games before in exactly the same way and for different people. I think ls says exactly what he means the majority of the time. 3) voting koshi and was talking about him being the key/mafia before you interjected 4) "jealous called hf scum" You agree he didn't really at all but he did for byj. | ||
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On May 30 2018 07:17 LightningStrike wrote: Only reason I didn't vote is because idk if shannies going to happen or not. What on earth are you talking about? | ||
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Can you give me a brief summary of why? Also a reason koshi isn't? | ||
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On May 30 2018 07:27 LightningStrike wrote: His tone seems town but Fuba's filter was meh and his filter was mostly on me early which is kinda of odd. Why is it odd??? How does koshi's tone seem town either when you voted for him d1? What's changed in day 2? He hasn't really contributed anything, has hard defended mafia and has kept his lynch pool entirely open. He also doesn't want to lynch df which, as I explained, should almost be confirmed mafia to koshi if he's town. | ||
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On May 30 2018 07:47 LightningStrike wrote: Because I not the only person in the game? His town sounded town after the lynch. Okay......... In what way? | ||
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On May 30 2018 08:47 GlowingBear wrote: No, I said he kept saying you were scum but decided to vote byj. Check it here: + Show Spoiler + This is clearly a joke based on my quote you pleb. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:53 fuba wrote: My two scum are DF and HF, but mostly from a paranoia POV. I'm not entirely sure of it, and generally from my way of scumhunting it's harder to read high-content posters, but I feel like since the moment Jealous was pretty locked in as the lynch, HF's been playing the long game. If DF is scum, then HF was basically able to pull the trigger on one of his scumbuddies D1 without fear and make himself look better in the process (and also making the alternative lynch candidate look townier because they were the counterwagon). He railed against rayn, he railed against GB, he railed against Koshi - either all high content posters who will oppose him or people that had the potential to read him well. People who can oppose his outspoken personality late game. He hasn't gone after (from what I can remember) me, DF, or byj - not sure about LS or Rels - I think they're kinda in the middle. If scum HF is going to survive with a team of himself, Jealous, and DF, he needs to take out those that can oppose him end game and will pursue it to his lynch. He tried to get the doc to protect himself over you, scum tried to take you out last night instead of him. He's not really trying to get other people to post more than they are - he's settling on high content posters and, if he's town, just kind of assuming the low content posters are town for no reason. DF is kinda there as an afterthought and somewhat because of what I said yesterday. His spot could be filled by someone else - dunno who though. And I'm kind of locked in the thought of HF choosing between which of his two scum mates to hammer D1. If I am trying to eliminate people that are capable of talking against me in a game that I have not much time to play in then why do I try and lynch those people instead of just placating them and nking them instead? Why would I sit on an afk jealous and not kill Koshi? Doesn't really add up I'm afraid. Honestly, I thought Koshi was playing like shit. He wasn't involved in the thread, he threw out random reads that did not align with what I was thinking at all and there was no back and forth with people. He didn't have the Koshi spark at all. Thus, I've been pretty much using this unflipped association to base my entire game off of and it's pretty much backfired. I thought GB's pushes most of the game had ended up nowhere, with him not pushing anything in any direction and then him just looking for outs so that he could afk and do nothing (such as "omg vote hf I'll do nothing more"). Obviously now with the nk things have changed quite a lot. I don't know if he was shot or not. I have no actual reason to believe he was shot at all and think it's quite likely mafia held their shot if they were going to shoot because they'd have to basically kill grack or myself if GB is mafia and that narrows it down later in the game. I've just tried to apply logic to the day 1 vote count where we lynched mafia with 3 votes but apparently logic does not actually apply since mafia did not try and save their partner in any way, shape or form if GB is town. | ||
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On June 01 2018 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: It was a reaction test did you not read the thread lmao. I guess I missed it. Why were you reaction testing GB though and what did you get out of it? | ||
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On June 01 2018 05:35 GlowingBear wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2018 05:33 GlowingBear wrote: On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Rels [1]: Koshi, Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear GlowingBear [1]: raynpelikoneet [1]: byj [1]: Jealous Holyflare [0]: LightningStrike [0]: Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels Jealous is currently the lynch. The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. Jealous is set to be lynched with only two votes. On May 27 2018 03:29 Calix wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Grackaroni [3]: GlowingBear, Holyflare, darthfoley Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni Rels [1]: Koshi, GlowingBear [1]: byj [1]: Jealous darthfoley [1]: Rels Holyflare [0]: LightningStrike [0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Not Voting [2]: LightningStrike, fuba Grackaroni is currently the lynch. The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. People pile on Grackaroni. A counter-wagon is formed. An inactive scum Jealous is safe for now. On May 27 2018 07:00 Calix wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Jealous [3]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, GlowingBear Koshi [3]: fuba, Holyflare, LightningStrike Grackaroni [1]: Rels [1]: Koshi, GlowingBear [1]: byj [1]: Jealous darthfoley [1]: Rels Holyflare [0]: LightningStrike [0]: raynpelikoneet [0]: Not Voting [0]: Jealous is currently the lynch. The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in . If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. People change to Koshi, but my vote on Jealous sets him up for the lynch. Meh, I started the analysis but it's taking too much effort, maybe I'll do it later. Besides, as I was analysing, I got really confused lol. I'll save this here anyway What happened to showing why Darthfoley is mafia and why are you not that interested in it anymore? | ||
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On June 01 2018 07:40 byj wrote: <3 RELS, DF mind talking? ##unvote ##vote: Rels How come you vote fuba and then ask rels and df to talk but then only vote rels? Who exactly do you think is mafia? | ||
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On June 02 2018 03:44 Rels wrote: I have a better suggestion: read the thread and decide for yourself. I really don't have time. Grack pick a guy and I'll vote. | ||
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On June 02 2018 04:29 Grackaroni wrote: HF should we lynch LS? I really haven't read enough | ||
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On June 02 2018 06:11 LightningStrike wrote: Quoi qu'il en soit devrais-je être lynché que je peux comprendre d'où vous venez, vous devez trouver les 2 prochaines escarpins et je pense que vous devriez lyncher Rels et DF pour les deux prochaines lynches si je devais lyncher juste parler à un brickwall. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Anyways should I get lynched which I can understand where you guys coming from you must find the next 2 scums and but I think you guys should lynch Rels and DF for the next two lynches should I get lynched it just talking to a brickwall. You can see where everyone is coming from but you want to lynch the guy that made the case that you agree you can see everyone coming from? What? | ||
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Your first narrative was that I am alive today and it doesn't make sense that I wasn't shot after grack. Your second narrative is that the grack shot makes sense but that I shouldn't be alive either. Why should I not be alive when I've been playing like I have? What night would I have been shot? | ||
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B) I never said you were inactive at the end of day 1? What nonsense are you even spouting now? | ||
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It's tough for me to decide what alignment you are though because there's so much stacked up against you. I have a feeling that you're stuck in a corner and instead of natural reevaluation you did the typical mafia scenario of doubling down on your read on me because it makes the most "sense" from your perspective. The problem is it doesn't make sense. Everything you write tries to paint me as some mastermind that played for the long game yet I haven't even really been playing the game so I don't understand how you can simultaneously think both things. It's also quite telling that you said my partner was darthfoley but didn't even look at the vote count last cycle (which you afked your vote on me in) where I actually tried (and almost succeeded) to kill darthfoley, my alleged partner as a shenanigan. What would be the point at all? It's this lack of critical analysis combined with the most posts that I've ever seen you write (and all the day 1 vote crap) that leads me to think you are mafia. | ||
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On June 05 2018 07:54 fuba wrote: I am not a typical player, and you know that. Scum Fuba doesn't fight like this. Now you're trying to appeal to me to save you or something or what? | ||
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I really wanted to go for the yolo no kill but rels was a wussy (wouldn't have worked anyway I guess but would have been super favourable if it worked with pretty much no loss). Was actually exceptionally busy this week though which was unfortunate. | ||
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fuba you played really well and I would lynch you 0/10 times if I was town in this situation | ||
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