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raynpelikoneet
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April 01 2018 18:53 GMT
#33
I agree with setup B. It is dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
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Last Edited: 2018-04-04 18:59:20
April 04 2018 18:57 GMT
#48
On April 05 2018 03:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I know i said I'd change the setups earlier but i got swamped with work and school but i have some setups in a textfile at home. Still willing to take suggestions

There is nothing wrong with the setups except that they are open setups, and PGO and gunsmith should be 1-shot.
And setup B, because SK doesn't really belong to a 13-player game. And no, it doesn't make the setup better to give MAFIA more KP lol....

Edit: yeah and watcher is a terrible and OP role for town ofc.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 05 2018 05:46 GMT
#54
/in
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 06 2018 02:50 GMT
#57
On April 06 2018 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
How is it not full yet?

I was hoping for a weekend start because i would actually have a bit more time but seems like it might not be happening.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2018 04:55 GMT
#65
Now this is the correct way to start the game, i love you FF. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 03:33 GMT
#127
Morning.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 03:42 GMT
#128
GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason.
I am not sure why currentlyhomeless asks what he does, care to elaborate how on earth does that have any relevance on anything?
Last post on Vivax is dumb, like super dumb, but probably town dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 03:43 GMT
#129
What is the time difference in #118 and #121? Cant see that on phone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 03:47 GMT
#130
Homelessperson are you from the same forum noobking is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 04:56 GMT
#138
On April 08 2018 13:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 12:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason.
I am not sure why currentlyhomeless asks what he does, care to elaborate how on earth does that have any relevance on anything?
Last post on Vivax is dumb, like super dumb, but probably town dumb.


Let me see if we mindmeld? What's your opinion on why Calix might be scum?

She's arguing about stuff that doesnt make anyone anything, or at least mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 04:57 GMT
#139
On April 08 2018 12:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 12:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason.
I am not sure why currentlyhomeless asks what he does, care to elaborate how on earth does that have any relevance on anything?
Last post on Vivax is dumb, like super dumb, but probably town dumb.


why don’t you tell me and I’ll be nice to you?

Okay. Holyflare and Damdred.
Am i town now? Why?
What are you gonna do with that info?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 05:05 GMT
#140
And Vivax ofc. Bit it depends on how paranoid he gets.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 05:59 GMT
#146
On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Calix and Mr. Rayn

I particularly disliked this exchange:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2018 04:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 04:07 Calix wrote:
First, confirmed town


Make it more challenging and flip a coin at least?


On April 08 2018 04:39 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 04:29 Vivax wrote:
On April 08 2018 04:07 Calix wrote:
First, confirmed town


Make it more challenging and flip a coin at least?


Why make it more challenging?

I for one need to figure out how to play again. I am pretty rusty


Vivax joke was really obvious, I don't like this question "Why make it more challenging?" like he is pursuing more information - but he really isn't. Feels forced.

Now this:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2018 06:30 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 06:27 Eversince wrote:
lol, spite vote Calix?


What makes you think it was a spite vote?


When he posted this I already voted him. He didn't react to it, he didn't try to understand what was happening. He ignored it and decided to ask Eversince that question. Again, why asking that and completely ignoring my vote? Ignoring it sounds like he froze and decided to go against anything else.

Idk why you put my name there?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 06:18 GMT
#150
What Tubesock says its not it. I will explain better when i get off work, got called in for today.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 08:30 GMT
#158
Maybe i am just stupid but i dont understand where Calix is making a joke?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 09:05 GMT
#160
Right, and i am still waiting for the answer to how is that in any way relevant to finding mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 09:24 GMT
#163
And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 09:28 GMT
#165
Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours.

Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 09:30 GMT
#166
On April 08 2018 18:25 Calix wrote:
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On April 08 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there?


?

There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in GB asking my/eversince's opinion on you, regardless of whatever alignment all three of us are.

The post where you started questioning that is the one i actually think you might be mafia for.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 09:46 GMT
#170
I dont think there is such thing as too scummy to be scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 09:47 GMT
#171
On April 08 2018 18:42 Calix wrote:
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On April 08 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there?


Going back to this, why did you completely ignore my points against Vivax? If you think I'm mafia, it would follow that you'd have an opinion when your "mafia read" makes a wall-post accusing someone you called dumb town. Yet you completely ignore this to post this question. And it's not even a good question.

It is because your post doesnt really say anything. You dont explain why Vivax does that as mafia you just say it maybe makes him mafia. Also i am at work and wont be making long posts until i am home.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 09:48 GMT
#172
Also no, "which is ťypically a mafia trait" doesnt really mean anything at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 09:50 GMT
#173
Also also answer is A.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 10:31 GMT
#176
I am sorry but that's exactly what i did, responded to your post. So your reasoning is made up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 13:14 GMT
#195
Leta hear who thinks i am bullshitting. Yes or no?

So far holyflare said yes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 14:52 GMT
#204
Ofc i can lol. I just usually dont do it, especially MQ becauae its extremely annoying and i alreasy hate touxhpads/screens. I am home though in about 45 mins.

Are you around at the time?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 15:11 GMT
#206
Because i just simply didnt think about that as an option at that time. When i look at actual times i hover over the "x hous ago" on mouse and it ahows the actual time. Obviously doesnt work so on phone. I was also waiting for my coworker to pick me up so i was in kind of hurry.

Later on when i thought about it more i found it irrelevant to anyones alignment based on aomething eversince said earlier.

I mean like, do you think i as mafia dont push my reads and make "useless questions"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 15:49 GMT
#209
On April 09 2018 00:23 Vivax wrote:
Just read calixs case on rayn.

The "you apologize to me while thinking I'm mafia" seems stretchy.
Claiming that rayn doesn't think she's mafia cause he didn't vote her yet is also stretchy.

Reads very overeager to me to call people mafia. But don't think that makes her mafia, also possibly just very sprinkly townie. Why does it make her mafia instead rayn?

Also abandoning this train of thought on your timestamp question cause you could be lying or saying the truth either way.

I would never ever lie about something liek that, it doesn't even make any sense lol.

The thing is, i don't need to vote, and i don't vote until i am completely certain. I do it as town and as scum i do that as i do it as town. I completely agree it doesn't 100% make her mafia (i think Calix is she, right?) but i am inclined to think it makes her mafia atm. I can somehow understand the "why are you not voting" part from town!perspective but other stuff is either 100% incorrect or completely NAI. What is also funny is that she is accusing me of something that she is herself (based on her thought process and how she acts) doing at the same time.

The problem is i don't think they are both mafia with Holyflare and i don't honestly know which is worse, the case or Holyflare believing the case, because Holyflare should know better.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 15:50 GMT
#210
On April 09 2018 00:40 Skynx wrote:
You're mixing up GB with rayn.

I'm scumread rayn cuz those two questions are unlikely to come from town. If town posts such questions he's likely to follow them up cuz town would be actually interested in the answers. My take is rayn posted them cuz i dunno why the fuck, probably trying to appear townie in the intro.

This is not correct. I always drop leads when i got the feeling they aren't leading anywhere.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 15:50 GMT
#211
I am pretty sure you shouldn't ever do any meta cases Skynx.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 15:51 GMT
#212
Just because you don't understand why i am asking a question doesn't make the question a useless one.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 16:40 GMT
#226
I actually should answer this because either Holyflare is stupid or mafia but regardless of which, when he is on board there is a chance the rest of the people regardless of their alignment will be either stupid or mafia and vote for me. Not because i care about being lynched but because you shouldn't actually be talking about me and while usually there is, now there is nothing more for me to gain in not saying anything.

The first thing that made me thing Calix is scummy was this post:
On April 08 2018 06:41 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 06:35 Eversince wrote:
@Glowing: I just assumed since it is so early probably personal reasons.


Never played with GB before. In fact, I don't think I've played with quite a few people on this playerlist.

Speaking of GB, have a question. If your read on me is "pure intuition" - which suggests you have no solid basis to scum-read me - then how can you ask Rayn and Eversince if they "see what you see"? That implies you have a more tangible reason to call me mafia.

I can sort of see the thought process here but from this post i got the feeling Calix is doing the thing here where she makes GB answer wrong regardless of the answer. There is nothing wrong with GB asking me or Eversince about Calix, since Eversince was obviously around, and me for other reasons (which shouldn't be a concern to Calix here since she has never played with GB). Then she goes on and says the last sentence which is like... ughhh.. leading GB to possibly say something stupid. Like if GB says:
1) "no i didn't" --> you're mafia because you implied so
2) "yes i actually did" --> you're mafia because you didn't give the reason (why wouldn't you)

The whole questionaire to GB is a mess that is completely NAI and just... idk fucked up lol. It doesn't make any sense because it doesn't follow any sort of thought process i can think of.

Then there is this.
On April 08 2018 18:53 Calix wrote:
If you don't think there's such a thing as too scummy to be scum then yeah, I'd like to know why you think Vivax's dumb post is "town dumb" then.

A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from.

And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response?

Yeah, I don't believe you.

##vote raynpelikoneet

The problem with the "questionable progression" Calix gives here might be suspicious because in the post where she accuses Vivax of being mafia she already gives the townie answer for Vivax (aka answer A). It is basically what i believed Vivax was doing, i thought Vivax made a stupid rection test to Damdred on GB already having a townread on GB. That in itself isn't even scummy, what i find stupid is that Calix gives a scumread on Vivax and then says like "but what was your reasoning, pick from these answeres where one is townie and one is scummy or make up your own answer". If you want someone to answer TRUTHFULLY you don't give answers (or you have some kind of trick in there ^^ , which there isn't here). Why would you say, as town, "hey dude, i think you are scummy, can you elaborate on this X thing and if you answer Y then you are town"? What's the point? Now i don't think this is even necessarily scummy but the follow up on it is.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also funnily enough Vivax gave an even more townie response haha ^^


The second thing is, i actually did confront Calix on her read on Vivax, i did it here:
On April 08 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours.

Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2).

This should be quite obivously an indication that i am interested in her read on Vivax and in connection, her (lack of) read on me. Just because i didn't directly ask about her read on Vivax doesn't change that fact, because what i tend to do is not to say everything at once. I progress one step at the time because i can lead the discussion to what i want to in a "sneaky" way where the "target", if mafia, reacts in a way they shouldn't as town to a maybe just a small harmless question.

I think it is very unreasonable to say i ignored the read on Vivax until she "prodded me" because (this is what i talked about earlier) it is actually this way; SHE ignored MY read on Vivax until I prodded HER about it. So at best this makes her a fucking hypocrite. Or the other thing...

Initially i ignored the Vivax read because yeah.. it doesn't really make her mafia. It doesn't matter if i think she might be mafia before that, because i don't bs and call my scumreads scum for reasons that actually don't make them scum (and the read on Vivax in itself doesn't -- townies make stupidass reads like that all the time, aka if Calix is mafia it is not because she made that read on Vivax).

On April 08 2018 20:00 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry but that's exactly what i did, responded to your post. So your reasoning is made up.


Congrats, this is the scummiest post in the thread!

Firstly, you only responded after I directly asked why you ignored my post. Doesn't count hun.

Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?

Moreover, why are you apologising? I'M YOUR MAFIA READ. Who you're not voting for! Apologizing is basically you waving a flag reading "I know I'm full of shite".

In fact, to highlight how ridiculous and nonsensical it is for you to not be voting me at this point, I've quoted all the times you implied, or outright stated, that I am mafia. Hell, accusing me of making things up should be SUFFICIENT REASON to vote for me WITHOUT any other quotes. But you're dancing around the topic and keep saying I'm doing stuff that mafia does yet you won't commit.

And you're doing that because you're trying to evade a confrontation with me

Three words for you, boo: Vote me, pussy.

+ Show Spoiler [Rayn's Calix posts] +
GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason.

She's arguing about stuff that doesnt make anyone anything, or at least mafia.

What Tubesock says its not it. I will explain better when i get off work, got called in for today.

Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours.

Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2).

The post where you started questioning that is the one i actually think you might be mafia for.

It is because your post doesnt really say anything. You dont explain why Vivax does that as mafia you just say it maybe makes him mafia. Also i am at work and wont be making long posts until i am home.


Three things here:
1) Hypocrite
2) Yeah i can see how you could believe that as town. Bad wording on my part. It was just the first thought that came to my mind. Do you also go with Holyflare 100% mafia because if he "is not bsing" as you accuse me of he should also always be mafia to you?
3) You are bad at sarcasm.
4) See some stuff i wrote earlier and also i ask again what i asked in (2).
5) not really, i just heavily dislike your playstyle because you appear to be cocky and angry for no apparent reason and it makes me unwilling to discuss anything with you so congrats if you're town, you lost an ally.
6) + Show Spoiler +
Now i actually lied, this was more than three points.


So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.

So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum.

GB is town
Vivax is town
Oats is a headless duracell bunny who can be helpful if he slows down a bit and focuses not on everything but onto important things. also town.
Skynx is likely ignore pile but town

Tubesock probably town for a reason i don't wanna say yet

Damdred is idk
Eversince idk

Then there are non-posters

One of Calix and Holyflare is mafia, but no more than one
Smurf dude is most likely mafia if he is a good player, or Blazinghand. 100% if Blazinghand.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 16:43 GMT
#227
On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar.

I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 16:48 GMT
#229
Meh i explained the Calix on GB thing poorly. There is nothing wrong in "pure intuition". There is nothing wrong in asking about this "pure intuition" from others. The argument however is expanded to something i feel like is ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. It basically just looks like "you call me scum now other people see, it's actually HIM who is scummy here".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 16:49 GMT
#230
On April 09 2018 01:46 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar.

I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it.


I'm still reviewing your post but trying to meta-read me off one game...over a year ago...where I stopped posting because of shite internet =/= good meta read.

If you're basing even 1% of your read on me because of that, stop. You simply do not know enough about how I play to make a proper judgment there.

I am not, but if you are town this game then your town play is as shit as your scum play. You were never ever going to not get lynched in that game regardless of if you went afk or not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 16:49 GMT
#231
I am not trying to be a dick, but that's the truth.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 08 2018 16:54 GMT
#233
I am sorry but i tend to respond to overly cocky posts with being evenly dick. Like you're either just mafia or making a very bad read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 08 2018 17:08 GMT
#234
On April 09 2018 00:58 Skynx wrote:
Go ahead and explain what is the point to those questions im curious.

On Eversince and Damdred. they both were wanting to engage each other then it jsut dropped off. That's where i left to when i got to work. I found it weird there was no progression on that conversation. Then i realized Eversince said she was drunk and relying on someone else's internet and both of them stopped posting (aka possibly went to sleep). So yeah, it doesn't make them anything.

On the smurf dude. They joined relatively close to each other with noobking. And this guy started talking about setups pre-game (which is something noobking apparently is very concerned of regardles of his affiliation). I thought there is a high chance he is from the same place he is from, which obviously affects on what to expect of him and what not in comparison to TL players. I actually kept on what i was pushing until he basically said he is a smurf and that's when i dropped it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 08 2018 17:16 GMT
#237
Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....

If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me?
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April 08 2018 17:18 GMT
#238
Like your thought process is:
1) There is this thing X that makes rayn mafia
2) if X is correct always vote for rayn
3) Holyflare agrees with X
4) Holyflare doesn't vote for rayn (this is in fact the X in question)

How does this make sense?
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April 08 2018 17:36 GMT
#242
Well your "not showing commitment" is what people read me scum for every game nowdays. Hell in my last town game i was scum for not showing commitment and also showing commitment at the same time, as i was in the last game as mafia (yeah, ridiculous).

I am not sure why you don't have an opinion on this HF thing? Why is that weird, because from your POV and how you have approached the game i think it should be scummy, no? Also do you think "hasn't done anything else" makes him somehow townier? Because i can't really believe you don't what his (at least) approx skill level is.
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April 08 2018 17:50 GMT
#246
On April 09 2018 02:43 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well your "not showing commitment" is what people read me scum for every game nowdays. Hell in my last town game i was scum for not showing commitment and also showing commitment at the same time, as i was in the last game as mafia (yeah, ridiculous).

I am not sure why you don't have an opinion on this HF thing? Why is that weird, because from your POV and how you have approached the game i think it should be scummy, no? Also do you think "hasn't done anything else" makes him somehow townier? Because i can't really believe you don't what his (at least) approx skill level is.


My comments about your 'level of commitment' have nothing to do with previous game performances. As noted previously, I do not know you well enough to make that judgment call.

I do, I said it was weird and that I had filed it away for later but that I didn't have a strong opinion on it. If you're asking why I didn't post "HF not voting is weird" then that's because I wanted to see what HF would do whenever he returned BEFORE saying something.

Yes, I am aware of HF's reputation. I don't think him posting almost nothing else means anything at the moment.

Okay i am confused.

What HF says when he returns depends on my affiliation right? Which you think (idk if you anymore but at that point did for sure) is mafia. Why does it matter what he says if you think i am mafia? If you are "aware of his reputation" what does it matter if we are either mafia together or i am mafia and he is town? Like.... what difference does his answer make if i am mafia (as you thought) in any case?
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April 08 2018 18:15 GMT
#253
On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious.

I actually agree with this.

I also wanna ask this, Holyflare what's the thing(s) you agree with Calix' case on me?
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April 09 2018 06:56 GMT
#396
On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:
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On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though


Why not oats.. why not then..
Looks like scum to me.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ;:D :DD:D:
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April 09 2018 07:03 GMT
#399
On April 09 2018 14:33 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 09 2018 14:22 Eversince wrote:
How could one miss time stamps?! I do this shit all the time.

And I've liked almost all of Rayn's post. So that's the other half.


It’s funny, you’re saying a lot of things that I feel support my argument.

Rayne gets heat from a lot of people.
Mafia would stack on the heat.
Skynx adds heat.
Skynx’ main point is Rayne lied about getting a timestamp. (Garbage reason)
Skynx is town though.

We agree with it all except for the alignment part.

I actually think the same as Eversince.
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April 09 2018 07:05 GMT
#400
On April 09 2018 14:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
none of the rayn cases make any sense, he isnt under any pressure at all.

That is actually not true. The second part.
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April 09 2018 07:08 GMT
#401
On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn has never been lynched day 1.

Incorrect.
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April 09 2018 07:12 GMT
#402
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

This is actually the most terrible single post in thread:
- follow thread sentiment, check
- make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check
- doesn't make any sense at all, check
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April 09 2018 07:14 GMT
#403
Hey kushmasta, talk about something that is not Holyflare. Or well you can talk about Holyflare if you actually talk about him. I have no idea why you think he is mafia and him "omgusing you" is not a reason.
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April 09 2018 07:24 GMT
#405
On April 09 2018 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +

Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?


Did this ever get answered?

It's one thing for you to "slow play" a vote because that's "how you always do it as town" but it's another to accuse someone of making up something but then not voting them.

If you believe this, why didn't you vote for me when i was "making shit up"? The reason i am highly considering you as mafia is because the way you agreed to Calix' case -- especially this part doesn't make any sense. If you believe Calix is correct (which you did) you should yourself have voted for me as per your own definition on "what a townie should do". Another funny thing is that you yourself make such claims all the time and if we lynched for that you would probably be lynched in every single game.

But the bottom part is you do one thing but still say the townie thing to do is the other thing.
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April 09 2018 07:25 GMT
#407
On April 09 2018 16:19 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 09 2018 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:33 Tubesock wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:22 Eversince wrote:
How could one miss time stamps?! I do this shit all the time.

And I've liked almost all of Rayn's post. So that's the other half.


It’s funny, you’re saying a lot of things that I feel support my argument.

Rayne gets heat from a lot of people.
Mafia would stack on the heat.
Skynx adds heat.
Skynx’ main point is Rayne lied about getting a timestamp. (Garbage reason)
Skynx is town though.

We agree with it all except for the alignment part.

I actually think the same as Eversince.


That thread sentiment convinced him to case you and GB? Or her entire stance? Or just he’s town?

That he is town. I am not sure if Skynx was "adding heat" rather than just focusing on people he wants to focus on. You might want to read the last game where Skynx was town with me...
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April 09 2018 07:34 GMT
#410
Tubesock:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/524561-generic-mini-mafia-iii?user=Skynx
On July 13 2017 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote:
Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading.

so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all.

man i was so right here:
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On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this guy can go to ignore pile.
he's probably gonna throw if it comes close.


Funny thing is it's always "because rayn did the same thing last game as mafia". Without any thinking at all.
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April 09 2018 09:11 GMT
#429
The only problem i really have with Eversince's reads is the Exo read which doesn't really make any sense in any world. Also the HF read bugs me because Eversince basically gives the reasons why HF would be mafia and then calls him town.
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April 09 2018 09:12 GMT
#430
Actually now that i look at it i have more problems with her post lol.
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April 09 2018 09:21 GMT
#431
I think i wnat to do this.
##vote ExO_

The timing of this post added to what i said here:
On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

This is actually the most terrible single post in thread:
- follow thread sentiment, check
- make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check
- doesn't make any sense at all, check

seems like a very convenient thing to do as mafia. I am quite sure he was just trying to follow the thread sentiment with his "own added reasoning". But, once again, the reasoning never makes any sense.
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April 09 2018 09:28 GMT
#432
On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?

No i do not. I already said that.
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April 09 2018 09:44 GMT
#438
On April 09 2018 18:34 Calix wrote:
Why lynch ExO_ over HF or myself or Eversince? I say lynch because ExO_ already said he will basically be absent for some time. And you still think HF and myself are scummy as far as I am aware.

Because i don't really think you're mafia anymore and i am a pussy who will not vote for HF most likely on D1 anyways.
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April 09 2018 09:56 GMT
#446
On April 09 2018 18:48 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 18:34 Calix wrote:
Why lynch ExO_ over HF or myself or Eversince? I say lynch because ExO_ already said he will basically be absent for some time. And you still think HF and myself are scummy as far as I am aware.

Because i don't really think you're mafia anymore and i am a pussy who will not vote for HF most likely on D1 anyways.


What changed your mind?

"Pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" are not two words I would usually put in the same sentence

I liked your post on Eversince, since you "dropped" your push on me, you needed to do something else and you passed. I am not sure you would make points that good as mafia. Also yeah, you would put words "pussy" and "raynpelikoneet" in the same sentence if it includes "Holyflare". I can basically never be sure enough on him on D1.

I think your case on Eversince is good. Especially when you group it with the fact that after the pressure on me and Glowingbear dropped, regardless of both of us alignments mafia needs to do something. Eversince looked okayish to me because her post about me (which i know to be correct) and GB (which i assume to be correct). I didn't read the rest of her post closely enough until you brought it up, but the rest of it to me looks like then she got completely lost and tried to do something, aka put some reads up, but the reads are in fact quite terrible.

I still think ExO_ is a better lynch because his "case" smells like mafia so much it hurts, but yeah, those two are definitely the scummiest people in the game.

I disagree with Holyflare on kush. kush is basically a troll atm and his posts don't mean much alignmentwise. He can die though unless he starts playing properly.
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April 09 2018 10:00 GMT
#448
Can you show me an example of him reading you? I gotta go to work so i have no time to find one myself rn.
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April 09 2018 10:02 GMT
#449
Also would you say your posting is similar to your "normal" town game here? Because in my opinion your posting is completely different from any of your games ever.
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April 09 2018 11:08 GMT
#464

But maybe not the fluffiest thing she's done. I liked when she asked Tubesock what he thought about me, when I hadn't made a post yet. That question is bound to be productive.

I am sorry but how is this productive? Do you think mafia will make up a read on someone who hasnt posted?
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April 09 2018 11:09 GMT
#465
On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?

No i do not. I already said that.

Okay, well you're wrong.

Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it.
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April 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#467
Damdred disagreed with his read on gb, then he went back and read gb's posts again and changed his opinion on him. Then he called Damdred town for not "taking easy route and just call gb mafia" which is a dumb conclusion but not out of vivax' town range.

There is nothing strange in that afaik and noone has said anything that makes me think otherwise. Just sayong it is strange is not enough to change my opinion.
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April 09 2018 11:19 GMT
#470
The more i think about it i think i am being dumb and should vote for eversince. Aside everything else said i thought eversince's read on exo could make her town bit it is in fact not so. Either theyre both mafia or she has TMI. After all exo is calling me and gb mafia for ahady reasons, both of who eversince townreads. Why is her read on exo "i liked some things exo said but i dont remember which things". Like... the read on me/gb is ALL exo has talked about.

##unvote
##vote eversince
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April 09 2018 11:22 GMT
#473
On April 09 2018 20:15 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 19:51 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 17:43 n00bKing wrote:
Do you not agree that (because answer B *is* what happened) Vivax's posts on the subject seem strange?

No i do not. I already said that.

Okay, well you're wrong.

Fine, then tell us why it is strange because i dont see it.

I agree with Calix about why it is strange. See Post #161.

I read it the same way you (rayn) read it, that what he was doing was probably "Answer A." When it turned out to be "Answer B" I was like...that doesn't make any sense. As Calix outlined, Vivax didn't sound like someone who had a genuine change in his perception. So if he hadn't gone into the whole thing already townleaning GB before Damdred commented on it....then he didn't phrase things anything like I would, and it comes off very unnatural in my opinion.

Fine. I cant double check rn but from my memory i disagree its an unnatural change in read. Lets see what Vivax has to say about it.
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April 09 2018 15:20 GMT
#638
On April 10 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!

Vivax who is the "teammate up for lynch " in skynx/noobking/hf team and why did uou make that post?
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April 09 2018 15:21 GMT
#639
Yes. You really called calix and es town Vivax.
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April 09 2018 15:29 GMT
#654
Head says leave the claim alive heart says dont because es wants to give gun to probably calix because her reads are good but the difference in pur reads is bas8cally exo and vivax and es hard-townreads vivax who calix scumreads.
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April 09 2018 15:32 GMT
#659
I gtg for an hour.
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April 09 2018 15:34 GMT
#661
Vivax if youre town you dont need me to prove you are town and honeatly i am not that sure anymore.
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April 09 2018 17:25 GMT
#816
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.

Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.

I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_
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April 09 2018 18:07 GMT
#838
On April 10 2018 02:34 Vivax wrote:
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On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.

Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.

I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_


I expected more from you really. Can exo really be the only lynch you can come up with?

No. But the best one. I dont have the luxury of playing properly at work.
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April 09 2018 18:35 GMT
#861
I dont think vivax is mafia. Mafia vivax just rolls over and dies. Damdred can easily be mafia.
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April 09 2018 20:11 GMT
#988
I will parse the eod tomorrow morning, i am dead tired. I am not sure if Calix actually said he knows Vivax is town somewhere there.
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April 09 2018 20:12 GMT
#989
On April 10 2018 04:22 Calix wrote:
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On April 10 2018 04:20 n00bKing wrote:
So, Skynx has a very simple path to self-preservation, which is just to vote against Vivax. He votes against me instead, which (regardless of Vivax's own alignment) just SCREAMS "I know someone has my back."


Huh? That's like the opposite conclusion to what I had.

Seriously, not taking the path of least resistance is what townies do. Mafia would just take the Vivax lynch. It's not like Skynx would get much flak for it cuz self-preservation.

here
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April 09 2018 20:17 GMT
#992
Alright sleepy time. Tomorrow when i wake up i am waiting for explanation on how "looking at the votes" ends up on "all wagons were town" and "rayn looks scummy because he didn't want to vote for a town wagon" (since i have absolutely zero problem voting for townies as mafia).

Good night.
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April 09 2018 20:18 GMT
#993
On April 10 2018 05:15 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:22 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:20 n00bKing wrote:
So, Skynx has a very simple path to self-preservation, which is just to vote against Vivax. He votes against me instead, which (regardless of Vivax's own alignment) just SCREAMS "I know someone has my back."


Huh? That's like the opposite conclusion to what I had.

Seriously, not taking the path of least resistance is what townies do. Mafia would just take the Vivax lynch. It's not like Skynx would get much flak for it cuz self-preservation.

here


Making the assumption that Vivax is town after explicitly stating in the thread that static votes pointed to Vivax being town? Shocking.

Yeah that was already a shit assumtion because static votes doesn't mean shit and hey look how that turned out in the end!
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April 09 2018 20:28 GMT
#997
Okay Claix, simple question, why does not any of these people work with Vivax being mafia (i am not that interested in Skynx at the moment because YOU decided to unvote Vivax and not Skynx based on reasoning i find to be absolutely garbage).

Skynx
Oatsmaster
ExO_
Eversince
currentlyhomeless
Tubesock
Glowingbear
raynpelikoneet
Damdred

Since you were talking about "votewise" i am also talking about "votewise" and votewise i can create a plausible scenario where almost any combination of two of those players can be mafia with Vivax, and once aggain, votewise it makes sense.

That was everyone in the game except for Holyflare.
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April 09 2018 20:29 GMT
#999
Now sleep for reals.
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April 10 2018 20:09 GMT
#1175
Yes
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April 10 2018 20:20 GMT
#1177
I might not because i hate playing when you act like you do.
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April 10 2018 20:43 GMT
#1181
I thought you said 3 of those 4 are mafia and noone should ever townread them so that leaves only you.
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April 10 2018 20:44 GMT
#1182
Also i don't think there is anyone in the game who townreads me aside from Tubesock and your scumteam so gtfo with your "analysis".
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April 10 2018 20:46 GMT
#1184
Anyways, mafia is 3 out of Calix/Exo/Damdred/homelessperson.
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April 10 2018 21:08 GMT
#1193
I agree with your stuff on Calix.

There was and is never anything wrong in my case on Exo. Furthermore the dude came in before the lynch and just casually asked "why is rayn scumreading me" when it says so in my post where i voted for him. But he was still aware of the wagons and had actually managed to read the thread well enough to make a judgement call on who to lynch, aka reading the thread but still not reading the thread, whatever suits him. Saying i should townread him because he does stupid shit as town too is just a nonsense defense. Then he adds me and Damdred to his scumreads because we "havent been playing much". Well actually he only adds me and Damdred is just "worrying". Funny thing is i have over twice the filter the dude himself has.
On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break

Never says anything about why Vivax is town other than Vivax feels town. That is not a read. I understand people scumreading Vivax if you don't know Vivax, i don't understand people townreading Vivax if they don't know Vivax at all, especially with reasoning "Vivax feels town". Let's see what the filter dive on noobking and Skynx reveals:
And side note trying to read n00bking filter is obonoxious as hell. I’ve never quite seen somebody consantly feel the need to use 20 words when 2 would suffice. Loves to bash TL mafia and toot his own horn like he’s the second coming in TL mafia, but isn’t really helping anybody. Its very hard to be objective towards him with this attitude. And any good player would know that constantly filling the thread with your own ego is more of a distraction to town than it is helping them.

This is not a scumread. None of this is saying why noobking is mafia. And Skynx, yeah apparently there was no Skynx filter dive after all.....

Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay.

I don't really have anything to say about kush. Dude is just probably mafia. Still hasn't done anything.

-----

And vivax is town because he actually fights for the stuff he says and gets angry when he tries to explain something and people dont get/believe what he says. Holyflare, it is very easy to get annoyed with you, because you can be really annoying -- i don't mean in a bad way but when you are super pushy it feels super annoying. Vivax still tries. And tries. Like i said, mafia!Vivax with 90% certainty wouldn't give a fuck and just drop dead, because that's what mafia!Vivax does. You can think he is mafia ll you want, you can think i am mafia all you want for my "flip-floppy" or whatever bullshit you said read on him. And i don't care but that's what i think.

I am also very fucking sorry i work exactly the last 8-10 hours of any phase so you better lynch me or shoot me dead then because the fact is i am not going to be around as much as any of your fucking highnesses would like me to on any eod.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 10 2018 21:16 GMT
#1195
On April 11 2018 06:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
looks like exo then? I dunno whats the point of this post though, rayns like defending his read on exo?

also super salty that people arent happy with him at the EOD.

Really weird post.

The point of the post is those are my scumreads you dumbass.
Yeah i am salty. I am salty because i can't genuinely be around more than maybe 5 minutes / 2 hours and some fucking semi-lurkers have the nerve to tell me i am not doing shit when i am trying to read and post whenever i can at work. But i won't be doing it anymore, that's how salty i am. dealwithit.

No it's not. For once try to not call anything you see in thread scummy. that's why i don't really care to interact with you, you are much funnier to play with when you are mafia because you're not a headless chicken.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 10 2018 21:20 GMT
#1197
On April 11 2018 05:49 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a gun.

Rayn why are you so sure that HF is town?

Because he is super annoying and impossible to work with and that doesn't happen if one of us is mafia because we try to say and do things the other one likes until they're dead. And he most likely tried to lynch mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:20 GMT
#1198
On April 11 2018 06:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
looks like exo then? I dunno whats the point of this post though, rayns like defending his read on exo?

also super salty that people arent happy with him at the EOD.

Really weird post.

The point of the post is those are my scumreads you dumbass.
Yeah i am salty. I am salty because i can't genuinely be around more than maybe 5 minutes / 2 hours and some fucking semi-lurkers have the nerve to tell me i am not doing shit when i am trying to read and post whenever i can at work. But i won't be doing it anymore, that's how salty i am. dealwithit.

No it's not. For once try to not call anything you see in thread scummy. that's why i don't really care to interact with you, you are much funnier to play with when you are mafia because you're not a headless chicken.

whats your opinion on ever?

Who the fuck cares about her?
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raynpelikoneet
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April 10 2018 21:22 GMT
#1200
On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun?

no
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:25 GMT
#1202
Oh and for the record when i voted for Exo there was over 2 hours left in the phase with leading wagon on 3 votes so it is very bullshit to say "this lynch was never going to happen" and then blame ME it didn't happen when almost everyone of you brushed it away for no apparent reason. I think Noobking lynch wasn't gonna happen aswell since he had at the time 0 votes....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:26 GMT
#1203
On April 11 2018 06:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
looks like exo then? I dunno whats the point of this post though, rayns like defending his read on exo?

also super salty that people arent happy with him at the EOD.

Really weird post.

The point of the post is those are my scumreads you dumbass.
Yeah i am salty. I am salty because i can't genuinely be around more than maybe 5 minutes / 2 hours and some fucking semi-lurkers have the nerve to tell me i am not doing shit when i am trying to read and post whenever i can at work. But i won't be doing it anymore, that's how salty i am. dealwithit.

No it's not. For once try to not call anything you see in thread scummy. that's why i don't really care to interact with you, you are much funnier to play with when you are mafia because you're not a headless chicken.

whats your opinion on ever?

Who the fuck cares about her?

because shes either confirmed town or mafia?

no shit sherlock, everyone is either confirmed town or mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:32 GMT
#1208
On April 11 2018 06:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean like actually confirmed town or mafia

I don't care because it ties the mafia roleblock forever until 2 mafia are dead or she is dead. Or she wants to out herself as mafia. If mafia ever roleblocks anyone they always risk getiing Eversince outed, so the roleblock is effectively useless or outs mafia if she is mafia. I don't think she has atm much input to the game considering the level (i am sorry i don't mean this in a bad way -- just the truth) of her reads on you, HF and Exo from D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:33 GMT
#1210
Mafia gunsmith is a stupid role and if there is a mafia gunsmith in the game i will be very sad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:35 GMT
#1212
On April 11 2018 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Which they will with a gunsmith

I dont understand?

Mafia gunsmith just gives guns to mafia and every other night they have 2 kp. It's stupid and terrible. So 99% no mafia gunsmith.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:38 GMT
#1213
I am also going to assume mafia has a roleblocker because a game with more than 1 town role mafia should always have a roleblocker because otherwise the game is just stupid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:40 GMT
#1214
Anyways that's all i have for now so good night.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 10 2018 21:49 GMT
#1216
I have to look at the votes again tomorrow but Skynx can actually be hipster mafia. There are a couple of things that strike me super odd like:
However, him switching back to ES when claim is uncc'd felt very odd to me, when he had other scumreds such as Exo. His Vivax townread is mostly based on meta which i don't like as he seems to be using pure meta reads as a front against others.

the first thing never happened and he himself saved Vivax.

Also I find it kinda funny i find it kinda sad that noobking got lynched with none of the voters aside Vivax having any sort of case on him. Apparently Skynx and Exo sheeped this perfect case:
On April 09 2018 22:31 Eversince wrote:
I parked my vote noob. I don't honestly know if he's scum but I can't get mislynch. I have to try to survive. And out of the options I think noob is the best place.


Now really good night.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 06:21 GMT
#1427
On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


are you scum this game???

ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1

this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun”

it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith

1500% scum


That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.

Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again.

Eversince, do you have a gun?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 06:24 GMT
#1428
Oh god page 68 is so funny and forget what i said in my last post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 06:36 GMT
#1429
On April 11 2018 08:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
rayn I need you

save me

Who the fuck are you? You are not kush are you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 06:36 GMT
#1430
sicklucker?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 07:12 GMT
#1436
Okay Mr- whoeverperson you are. Play time is over.

Your posts aside from the eversince and gb things are completely undecipherable. Noone has any idea why you are scumreading Holyflare. Noone has any idea why you scumreading gb made hf town and how gb dying made him back to scum. Noone has any idea what you are saying about anything in the game.

Either you start playing or tell who you are and start playing, or you die. Time is up. You are not allowed to troll this town after this moment.
##vote currentlyhomeless
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 07:22 GMT
#1437
On April 10 2018 23:23 Skynx wrote:
I'm reading Tube right now.

I'll spend a good deal reading Calix, Vivax and Exo when I'm done with work. I feel like mafia is lurking there by process of elimination, since Damdy and homeless are coinflips.

You have such long workdays.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:26 GMT
#1440
So why are you scumreading Holyflare and what does that post you quoted, the "sorry baby" one mean then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:28 GMT
#1441
ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip

which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died

but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB

roflmao this actually makes sense.

Eversince elaborate please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:31 GMT
#1443
On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.

I gave the gun to Rayn

(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.

The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.

So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:33 GMT
#1444
On April 11 2018 17:30 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Mr- whoeverperson you are. Play time is over.

Your posts aside from the eversince and gb things are completely undecipherable. Noone has any idea why you are scumreading Holyflare. Noone has any idea why you scumreading gb made hf town and how gb dying made him back to scum. Noone has any idea what you are saying about anything in the game.

Either you start playing or tell who you are and start playing, or you die. Time is up. You are not allowed to troll this town after this moment.
##vote currentlyhomeless


me reading gb as scum didn’t make hf town wtf

i thought he and hf were scum together. it was ever being weird and then hf jumping on ever with very similar thought process to my own which made me post this:

On April 10 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:
what is happening.

HF baby I’m sorry


then I waffled on ever cause I was like na fuck it but niw I’m back to thinking ever is scum cause the claim makes 0 sense and there are too many “mistakes”

also if i were scum what kind of moron would i be shoot one of my only scumreads n1?

btw anyone who still thinks ever is town pls entertain me for a bit

ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip

which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died

but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB

how would ever know there was only 1 nk but not know who it was if ever is town

i seriously don’t believe a townie would forget that fast



How does a mafioso forget who their night kill target was??

Well how does someone who just said she knows i didn't shoot anyone forget that they actually DID look at the daypost? Like fucking confirmed looked at the daypost.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:34 GMT
#1446
The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:38 GMT
#1451
What do you think of Holyflare's case on Calix?
Like by definition, if you think Holyflare is mafia you should think Calix is not so what's wrong with his case on Calix?
Right now the most likely person to get lynched is Calix and you are not helping.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:45 GMT
#1454
On April 11 2018 17:39 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.


Why would scum Eversince then claim she sent it and not say “well, must have been roll blocked”? Instead she’s like “rayn is confirmed town.” Taking away a possible mislynch.

Gah I had questions for you too. Can’t remember them.

Because she would anyways claim roleblocked. Apparently she thinks the shot happens the same phase (which is already kind of ridiculous). Like i mean if she is mafia she would "know she is roleblocked" and therefore know there is not 2 nk during the night without even looking at the daypost.

I don't think she is lying about being busy, i never do when someone says so. But like... She doesn't know if she has a gun. She fucking should. If she was roleblocked then she has a gun, if she wasnt then i am lying -- that's it. It's very easy to confirm, yet it took like pages of nonsense to get nowhere and she STILL doesn't know if she has a gun or not apparently.

She doesn't know how her role works. She claims she didn't even know she started with a gun when the OP clearly says so.

I know people do dumb shit all the time as town but this claim seems extremely fishy because just about everything is wrong about it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:45 GMT
#1456
On April 11 2018 17:40 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Holyflare's case on Calix?
Like by definition, if you think Holyflare is mafia you should think Calix is not so what's wrong with his case on Calix?
Right now the most likely person to get lynched is Calix and you are not helping.


who are you even talking to

if its still me then tbh i havent read much of calix because theirnposts are too fucking long

But you have read Holyflare's posts as you scumread him, right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:51 GMT
#1458
Glowingbear's case on me was "rayn did stuff so he is mafia", i would never ever feel threathened by that. So you can srop with your "nk analysis" on that front.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 08:54 GMT
#1460
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 09:00 GMT
#1463
On April 10 2018 14:06 GlowingBear wrote:
rayn, your play until here makes no sense to me. You start by inquiring homeless, drops the push over nothing

wrong
votes eversince for flimsy reasons

straight out bullshit
says exo is scum but don't really try to convince people he is mafia.

straight out bullshit
Such a weak gameplay for someone who has such a strong personality while playing mafia.

yeah he can think that after his bullshit, doesn't make me mafia though

On April 10 2018 14:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh and you even scumread Damdred because he was afk.
Although I don't like it, Damdred is not the silent mafia type. We've played a lot with Damdred and we both know he is capable of posting a lot as mafia.

You also said that Calix called Vivax town, like it was a scum slip. You, of all people, should know that this doesn't exist.

bullshit

Damdred's meta, bullshit.

Yes i did. But not like a scumslip. I couldn't understand how someone who was voting for Vivax just decides he is super fucking town which is what it indicates especially after the static vote shit. Like you can't just be that sure for that reason.

There is my answer to gb case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 09:02 GMT
#1464
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 09:11 GMT
#1466
On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.


"playing" - Good joke.

Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.

So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did?
Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 09:20 GMT
#1468
On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.


"playing" - Good joke.

Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.

So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did?
Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.


I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens.

No, this is what you literally said.
That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia.

That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both.

So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 09:25 GMT
#1469
Work time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 11:21 GMT
#1477
On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?

Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun?

If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had.

I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.

Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 11:23 GMT
#1478
On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.


"playing" - Good joke.

Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.

So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did?
Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.


I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens.

No, this is what you literally said.
That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia.

That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both.

So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is?


Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'.

I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads.

The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses.

Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 12:18 GMT
#1488
On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?

Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun?

If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had.

I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.

Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia.




Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1.

Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either?

Fair enough.

No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 11 2018 12:30 GMT
#1489
On April 11 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?

Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun?

If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had.

I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.

Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia.




Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1.

Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either?

Fair enough.

No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.

To be more clear. I donet think n1 not knowing gun makes es anything andd i can understand how someone thinks it could maje her mafia. I can also underatand how it doesnt. I dont understand how this is related to anything because i just skipped that discussion since ots dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 13:10 GMT
#1491
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.

On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 18:42 GMT
#1525
On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.

Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.

Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.

Tbh this one you are wrong on. Vivax attacked es only after ch and me said she saw only 1 flip but didnt know gb flipped. That is a different thing you were saying.

I am home in an hour. Can you bulletpoint a liat on vivax where you want my opinion on to make it faster?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 19:52 GMT
#1549
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.

Or ES was just genuinely afk and didn't know who mafia shot but knows she will claim roleblocked anyways (aka i didn't shoot).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 19:59 GMT
#1550
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.

Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia

Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point

That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 20:04 GMT
#1551
##unvote
##vote Eversince


I really don't believe Eversince forgets that glowinbear has flipped. Not only -- as per her ASSUMED ROLE -- should she be paying extra attention to day post (assuming she would be telling the truth that she thinks the person the gun got passed to can shoot the same night) but in addition to that the person who died was GLOWINGBEAR. Like yeah, the flip in itself is super fucking weird.

Who says mafia shot gb in Eversince's mind? Why was mafia KP not blocked and me shooting gb? Why does she assume gb was shot by mafia in the first place -- like the way she worded her post was like she was sure gb was not shot by her gun. Of course this makes sense if she doesn't actually know who was shot.
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April 11 2018 20:14 GMT
#1554
I made this set of posts.
On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip

which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died

but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB

roflmao this actually makes sense.

Eversince elaborate please?

On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.

I gave the gun to Rayn

(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.

The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.

So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died.

On April 11 2018 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 11 2018 17:30 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Mr- whoeverperson you are. Play time is over.

Your posts aside from the eversince and gb things are completely undecipherable. Noone has any idea why you are scumreading Holyflare. Noone has any idea why you scumreading gb made hf town and how gb dying made him back to scum. Noone has any idea what you are saying about anything in the game.

Either you start playing or tell who you are and start playing, or you die. Time is up. You are not allowed to troll this town after this moment.
##vote currentlyhomeless


me reading gb as scum didn’t make hf town wtf

i thought he and hf were scum together. it was ever being weird and then hf jumping on ever with very similar thought process to my own which made me post this:

On April 10 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:
what is happening.

HF baby I’m sorry


then I waffled on ever cause I was like na fuck it but niw I’m back to thinking ever is scum cause the claim makes 0 sense and there are too many “mistakes”

also if i were scum what kind of moron would i be shoot one of my only scumreads n1?

btw anyone who still thinks ever is town pls entertain me for a bit

ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip

which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died

but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB

how would ever know there was only 1 nk but not know who it was if ever is town

i seriously don’t believe a townie would forget that fast



How does a mafioso forget who their night kill target was??

Well how does someone who just said she knows i didn't shoot anyone forget that they actually DID look at the daypost? Like fucking confirmed looked at the daypost.

On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.

I know i didn't "push it" because there was nothing else to say at that time and i was arguing with Calix and homelessdude.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 20:17 GMT
#1557
lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment
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April 11 2018 20:23 GMT
#1560
On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.


"playing" - Good joke.

Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.

So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did?
Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.


I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens.

No, this is what you literally said.
That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia.

That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both.

So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is?


Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'.

I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads.

The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses.

Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see.

Youre talking about this.

You clearly implied i am (and skynx) more scummy than Damdred is because you literally said "That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia" and Damdred is just something else and not a real scumread . When i confront you about it you say actually you are not sure if i am mafia or even if skynx is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me. So like you first concluded gb kill doesn't make any sense UNLESS skynx or rayn or both are mafia, and now you are not really sure fi rayn or even skynx is mafia when nothing on that front hasn't changed (it's impossible to change tbh because regardless of what we have posted after gb was still the night kill and someone shot him -- and you were ONLY talking about that).

The last post was sarcastic because i tried many posts and you managed to never answer my question i asked you in the first place and just backpedalled from your earlier conclusion for imo no apparent reason.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:28 GMT
#1563
idk, it didn't sound like one.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 20:29 GMT
#1565
On April 11 2018 17:46 Calix wrote:
- That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. Those were the only people GB said he would vote for (and maybe CH if nobody wanted to lynch rayn/ Skynx). So it's one of those "if both rayn/ Skynx are town then why shoot GB now if he was just gonna vote for a mislynch the next day?" kinda thing. I actually think Skynx is more likely to be mafia here, will have to reread his filter. I say this mostly because that rayn post where he basically tells everyone to fuck off after posting his reads felt townie to me.

Does this sound like "only a hypothetical scenario"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:31 GMT
#1569
I mean, hte only other scumreads she gives in that post are Eversince and Exo.
When i confront him about Damdred, who she should imo be scumreading if she is town because Damdred just dropped a seemingly random vote on Calix when imo there was no reason to scumread her, she cannot answer why Damdred could not be mafia and instead says she is not sure if either of me and Skynx are mafia....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:33 GMT
#1570
On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:
I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that

Humor me and make a case on this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:37 GMT
#1573
On April 12 2018 05:37 Calix wrote:
Damdred is a null read for me. He "can be mafia" BY DEFINITION OF BEING NULL.

I do not know how to make this more obvious.

The problem is there is actually something to analyse on Damdred, especially FOR YOU!!!
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raynpelikoneet
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April 11 2018 20:39 GMT
#1576
On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay.

If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 11 2018 20:42 GMT
#1580
On April 12 2018 05:39 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 05:38 ExO_ wrote:
On April 12 2018 05:35 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:
On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment


Actually possible too, lmao.

On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time


Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit.

Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol?

Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads?


Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken?

I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that
HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF.


No she's definitely played games here before.

'I've never been great at reading scum' - I call bullshit on this. I've seen you play before and you were definitely not a wimp when it came to scum-reading people. Your passive tone here is a stark contrast.

Also it's obvious you're going to vote for me. I don't know why you're limping into it. It's a close tie between your town-read and your biggest scum-read and YOU'RE STILL ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DECIDING?

"probably be sheeping HF" my fucking arse.


I’m not acting like I’m deciding at all, I will 100% hands down vote you over ES. Where the hell do you come off saying im acting like im deciding?


If you're "probably sheeping HF" then that means you're not 100% sure BY DEFINITION.

tsk tsk.... If something "only makes sense" then it ONLY makes sense by definition.
+ Show Spoiler +
I really had to do that..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:45 GMT
#1584
On April 12 2018 05:42 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay.

If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game.


Because I'm aware other people will disagree that there's nothing to say about him, duh. I personally think giving a read on him is pointless because he is AFK, has explained nothing, etc. But not everyone thinks like me. That's why I don't necessarily think it's weird if anyone else has a read on him.

So when is the time in your opinion to lynch / start calling afk people mafia to lynch them?
LYLO? After game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:48 GMT
#1587
He is not kush.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:49 GMT
#1589
kushmasta is 100% incapable of coming up with the case on eversince every single time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 11 2018 20:50 GMT
#1592
On April 12 2018 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
He's saying very kush things about me.

Are you mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 12:33 GMT
#1914
Why would anyone ever think i possibly have a gun?
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 12:39 GMT
#1915
Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this:

After these posts on D2:
On April 11 2018 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun?

no

On April 11 2018 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


are you scum this game???

ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1

this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun”

it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith

1500% scum


That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.

Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again.

Eversince, do you have a gun?

On April 11 2018 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do you still have a gun Eversince?

Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome.

So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"?

Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 13 2018 12:40 GMT
#1916
I think Holyflare can be actually right and Vivax is in fact mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 12:44 GMT
#1917
On April 13 2018 15:13 Holyflare wrote:
This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith.

Okay i take a little bit of the earlier back because of this but it still makes very little sense to me you only say this because the reason i am not mafia because "i might be mafia and have a gun" is that there is never a world where i lie about not having a gun when Eversince can fucking confirm it as she knows if the gun went to me or not.

If you think i would trade 1v1 as mafia against an afk player who says they will be afk who has managed to fuck up pretty much everything about her role in the first place, you are just absolutely retarded, or mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 12:46 GMT
#1919
Wait actually, Holyflare i need you to explain why you are saying this:
This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith.

What do you mean by the bolded part?
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April 13 2018 12:47 GMT
#1920
On April 13 2018 21:46 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this:

After these posts on D2:
On April 11 2018 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun?

no

On April 11 2018 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


are you scum this game???

ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1

this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun”

it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith

1500% scum


That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.

Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again.

Eversince, do you have a gun?

On April 11 2018 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do you still have a gun Eversince?

Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome.

So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"?

Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread?


holy shit i’m a baddie

i have no idea why but i had to read this several times before i finally understood

yea thank fuck actually the game makes a lot more sense now. we dont need to policy lynch you after all

not sure if sarcasm or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 13:24 GMT
#1923
But it helps you read other people no? Like if someone makes a retarded argument it tells about them as much (or even more) it does from the target of the argument.

I can't talk about reads on others because i wasn't able to focus properly last night and i only have like an hour or so before i need to go to bed between my shifts. But i can talk about reads on myself. Basically both Vivax and Exo are using super straw man arguments to read me as mafia.

Glowingbear kill basically doesn't mean anything. I understand if someone looks into some people based on a night kill but if you are trying to prove someone is mafia just because someone was shot ans someone else wasn't it's literally a straw man argument. Because that in itself is never an argument and apparently those two fuckers can't make any other arguments than like that one.

Second thing is the gun thing. I am especially looking at Vivax here since he was initially interested if i have a gun. I did give him a straight answer, yet he managed to NOT figure out if Eversince confirms this or not (i am talking about the three page discussion between basically Eversince and Vivax). After this i directly come and ask the correct question regarding this, so does HF. But after D2 ends and eversince flips Vivax cannot somehow make the most obvious cunclusion ever. (note that i am mainly talking about Vivax here since he was alreay interested in the matter -- aka thought about the whole thing already in D2). Basically he had all the tools necessary to resolve the situation yet decided not to use them, and then "blames" the people who actually did (not to mention me doing that would confirm me mafia at least after knowing Eversince's alignment). That is not a hard thing to understand.

Exo is doing the same thing in different words. Both of them are are only using arguments which don't actually mean anything, and ONLY using arguments that don't actually mean anything. Like the fact that both Vivax and Exo are scumreading me and Holyflare because me and Holyflare are alive is ALREADY A PROOF of Glowingbear kill meaning nothing if they (Vivax and Exo) are town. It is just a wifom argument. Like seriously, give this a minute of thought.....

I possibly have a problem with Calix being mafia. Does anyone remember if there are people who voted for Calix and now think other people who voted for Calix last phase are mafia?

Basically who do Oatsmaster, Tubesock, skynx and ExO_ scumread?
You can put away Exo because i know who he scumreads.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:30 GMT
#1925
I forgot one thing about Vivax.

Vivax is saying i didn't die despite being "largely townread" during N1.
I want Vivax to point out who were those people who townread me N1.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:31 GMT
#1926
Because i cannot come up with anyone except for himself, Tubesock, Eversince and Calix (and i am not even sure about the last one).
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:35 GMT
#1927
On April 13 2018 07:21 Vivax wrote:
Why was GB killed N1 Oats over you, HF and rayn who were being almost universally townread with the exception of me and maybe a few others?

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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:36 GMT
#1928
Actually i am not sure about Vivax townreading me either on N1 because he seems to be saying the opposite rn lol.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:39 GMT
#1929
On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.

Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:54 GMT
#1932
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 13:55 GMT
#1933
On April 13 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.

Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?


Which post?

On April 13 2018 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait actually, Holyflare i need you to explain why you are saying this:
Show nested quote +
This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith.

What do you mean by the bolded part?

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April 13 2018 14:03 GMT
#1935
On April 13 2018 22:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched.


by they, you mean each other?

they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do


It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion.

But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:06 GMT
#1936
Like, lets assume this:

- Eversince is town
- Calix is mafia

- Vote is 6 to 4. One of the voters on Eversince is Eversince
- If Eversince decides that she doesn't want to die (which is what you assume she does as town -- and you know that as mafia, i mean that she is town) Calix dies.
- There are perfect reasons to vote for Eversince
- Why do you vote for Calix?

This all translates to, why does someone who scumreads Calix scumread other people on Calix??????????
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:07 GMT
#1937
This all translates to, why does someone who scumreads Calix and was on Calix D2, scumread other people on Calix??????????
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:11 GMT
#1939
I am super conflicted at the moment because logic says Calix should be mafia but i can't manage to make a scumteam that makes sense to me logicaly, based on what has happened in the game, again logically. Here are the Calix voters:
Eversince (6): currentlyhomeless, Calix, vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Eversince

We know eversince is town.
I know i am town.
I think HF is town.
I think CH is town.

That only leaves Calix and Vivax. Maybe it is them two and Damdred slot. That makes sense. But then again based on what has been psoted in the thread is that Exo is mafia too. So basically Exo/Calix is my primary concern right now.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:12 GMT
#1940
On April 13 2018 23:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 13 2018 22:58 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 13 2018 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It doesn't make any sense a person who was on Calix does now want to kill other people on Calix, because if Calix is mafia (which they should automaticvally still think as nothing has changed) they are less likely to be mafia since the vote was super close (aka Eversince who should get an action taken on her after game for playing against her wincondition) could have get Calix lynched.


by they, you mean each other?

they obviously all can’t be scum, this was the same thing. i was saying earlier. literally makes no sense for someone to scumread someone else who has the same scumreads as you. but literally all of them do


It does make sense to scumread other people who scumread the same people you do, it all depends on reasoning. But there was perfect reasoning for Eversince to be mafia so in itself people voting for calix instead is fishy in my opinion.

But if you go further on with this, why would you now scumread the people who SHARED your opinion of the unlikely scenario where Eversince flips town, especially when Eversince was an easy place to place a vote on if you are mafia -- when the alternative is your scumbuddy Calix. And Eversince can just kill mafia!Calix only by saving herself which is an expected outcome anyways lol. It doesn't make anys sense.


actually i think the hammer had to be damdred or someone switching from ever to calix.

iirc we had 5 on ever right. then ever comes and votes herself and makes it 6.

even if ever voted calix the vote wouldve been tied and it would be up to the afk player to decide the vote

i do get what you mean though. basically on tone tube & oats came out townier for me, while both exo and skynx look scummier. like between those 4 who voted calix i think its max 2 scum. theres no way they are all scum otherwise the infighting makes no sense, no team buses that hard

although actually bussing more cleanly explains it rofl

Ah you are right, it was 5-4 before eversince. I miscounted.
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April 13 2018 14:13 GMT
#1941
I still think my argument holds some water since there is the Damdred card as you said.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:15 GMT
#1942
Skynx voted for Calix and damdred scumread (?) me in one of his last posts. Damdred also voted for Calix D1.
If Damdred is town where would you think he puts his vote on?
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:16 GMT
#1943
Assumining he actually comes back (which is what you should assume if you are mafia and you know he is town).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:18 GMT
#1945
Okay so i am operating under Calix/Vivax/Damdred slot team, or Exo/???/???

I gotta sleep now, If there is one of Vivax/Damdred slot who can definitely be mafia with Exo then there is your lynch for the next day. I think all those 4 look scummy and i think aside from connections the cases have been psoted well ewnough already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:21 GMT
#1947
On April 13 2018 23:16 Vivax wrote:
It's funny how the entire mafia is basically outing themselves by being experienced players who should know better than scumreading me.

I challenge you to find me a single scum game where I had a 13 page filter by N2. If you even find a single one. I'm shutting up and self voting tomorrow.

Seriously dude, fuck you.

Can you for once not go into "i never do this" argument and actually psot based on something that actually happened in the game? You dodge all the points pointed towards yourself, you give arguments that are completely irrational. You can't even make a single well found reason why someone who you think i scum is scum, and appareltly you lately think everyone is scum.

Like fucking play mafia instead of being angry when asked for a contribution to something that is clearly either scummy or a misplay from your part.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:22 GMT
#1950
On April 13 2018 23:19 Vivax wrote:
Once we "P-lynch" rayn your house of cards falls apart and that's where the game becomes something more than a shitfest.

Once we "P-lynch" vivax this game becomes something more of a shitfest where nothing is said or answered, also we prolly lynch mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:26 GMT
#1953
On April 13 2018 23:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 13 2018 23:16 Vivax wrote:
It's funny how the entire mafia is basically outing themselves by being experienced players who should know better than scumreading me.

I challenge you to find me a single scum game where I had a 13 page filter by N2. If you even find a single one. I'm shutting up and self voting tomorrow.

Seriously dude, fuck you.

Can you for once not go into "i never do this" argument and actually psot based on something that actually happened in the game? You dodge all the points pointed towards yourself, you give arguments that are completely irrational. You can't even make a single well found reason why someone who you think i scum is scum, and appareltly you lately think everyone is scum.

Like fucking play mafia instead of being angry when asked for a contribution to something that is clearly either scummy or a misplay from your part.


The reasons are all over my filter I will sum them up once it matters. But I don't see the benefit of engaging in conversations with scum that are already designed to lead anything I say ad absurdum.

I see, everyone in the game thinks so, except ofc me and Holyflare. Carry on.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:26 GMT
#1954
On April 13 2018 23:26 Vivax wrote:
You are just legit mad scum that wants to Mlynch me but as long as the argument is in the room that this would be the only best scum game I ever played activity wise that's a moot point and it's fucking unfair towards mafia that I'm literally too spammy and involved to be scum this game and it's the reason it works you and HF so up and you insist on me using your lines of argumentation.

I will say if you are town this is probably the worst town game you have ever played.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 13 2018 14:28 GMT
#1956
Like there are inconsistencies that are PROVEN to be there in your play and you try to brush it all off just for "wow look at me i am so active my filter is 927148 pages" and never touch the things even with a long stick.

That's disgusting. That's what it is. And then you act all mad and call everyone scum who doesn't "believe" you for what you didn't say.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 14:29 GMT
#1957
Good job you just proved you are self-aware of your meta.
Doesn't change the facts.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 18:03 GMT
#1965
Ahhh okay now i see what you mean. Nevermind. The sentence was very hard for me to understand.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 20:48 GMT
#2012
If there is another blue now is the time to claim.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 20:57 GMT
#2019
I will have more time tomorrow and sunday. If exo is mafia here its a smart claim. If one of me and hf is miller and we lynch wrong we are fucked. I have hard time seeing why holyflare kills hopeless there of all the people. I am not mafia and whatever happens today i will try my best to prove that. Juat dont buy exo claim at face value, its a very smart claim if he is mafia and at first glance i have very hard time seeing hf as scum.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 21:00 GMT
#2021
Note to self, check exo-vivax/calix tomorrow morning.
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April 13 2018 21:02 GMT
#2023
Tubesock i think you made a mistake. At least you should have claimed only blue.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 13 2018 21:06 GMT
#2025
I am running a scenario where exo is mafia with vivax and calix. If his claim is believed town auto loses the game and he basically saves his team as those three are the most wanted lynches today.

But i dont know if that team makes sense. I have to check but its not going to happen until tomorrow morning when i am off work.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 14 2018 14:48 GMT
#2258
I am on my to work, i switched shifts so i will be here around 6-7 am until the eod barring some 6-7 hrs of sleep tomorrow. I havent had a time to read anything yet.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 14:13 GMT
#2393
Here, now.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 15:22 GMT
#2395
The voting from D1 suggests that A team of Calix / Vivax / Exo is definitely possible.
Thw voting form D2 however does not suggest Exo and Calix are both mafia. Now i don't know how possible it is that Exo realizes Calix isn't going to be lynched after all, maybe he could, considering Damdred is not voting and assumed to come back, and because it is assumed Eversince wouldn't be staying on herself until the end. Actually it is probably as likely as that they are not mafia together.

The reason i am talking about this is because of this wagon that happened yesterday:
Calix (4): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, skynx, ExO_

There is always, always mafia here. And Tubesock is not mafia. I can never ever understand why these people chose not to vote for Eversince yesterday. tubesock's role suggests that his vote makes sense. Exo's vote however doesn't. If there is a gunsmith in the game a parity cop should be extremely vary of the claim espoecially considering all the things that happened regarding the claim. There was never any reason to townread Eversince after she forgot GB died, never. So all these votes imply TMI. Tubesock's TMI i understand completely since gunsmith is technically a KP role and he is most likely anti-KP, his actions make sense. Exo's TMI or "TMI" as per his assumed role should lead him to the opposite conclusion. Oats and Skynx i don't even know...

Like this is either "town can't be this dumb so i vote for my scumbuddy and assume them not get lynched" or just plain out fear to vote for someone you know to be town power role. The second option is in my opinion more likely and i think it makes Calix look a bit more townie. But then again her eod1 was horrible and makes not any sense at all so idk.

I think Holyflare's case on Skynx is good. I can't find any reason for town Skynx to do what he does here. Regarding other people as well i am gonna say this. The people in this pool; Skynx, Exo, Vivax, Calix, Eversince. If you are town you are the reason i am i cannot possibly scumread Holyflare in this game. The other reason is the last town game i played in and tried to think with the mindset "people being irrational and doing stupid stuff isn't necessarily mafia" made me facepalm after the game because i ended up thinking Holyflare is mafia for pushing (all the correct) people for the opposite of this reasoning. I won't do it again and if Holyflare is mafia in this game then you all failed by being extremely illogical at times. What's sad about this is that at least, with Eversince, at least two of those people have to be town.

So yeah, especially Exo here, if he is town he should probably think to himself why do the two people one of which he has "red checked" don't wanna lynch each other. Newsflash, it's your fault, because you're just scummy as fuck, or plain out scum. Your posts don't make sense, your reads are based on shady reasoning, your votes are based on shady reasoning, and you made a retarded connection theory at the start of the game, one that noone should ever make as town because either you don't have all the information or if you do you should know there is absolutely nothing that backs up your thought process. Either way, we always end up with there is nothing to back up your thought process.

I also find it sad people are saying my D1 was weak. Because it wasn't. Idk, maybe it's my fault for not "pushing Exo harder" since noone seems to be understanding why the original read on GB/me was so fucking full of shit, so i am sorry for that, i simply just didn't have enough time.

Someone was also saying i read people based on meta and only meta. that's wrong. I read certain people based on meta because if i try to read them by their content i will always end up thinking they are mafia and i know i can aswell go wrong on them than not. Those people are, and have been Skynx, Vivax and Oatsmaster. If i try to logically think / argue they are mafia or town i will always end up thinking they are mafia because that's always the correct answer logically speaking. Yes, it is. You can argue that "ofc if you're mafia with those people you can use it as a reason to not read them" which is correct, but the fact is i can't be mafia with all of them even if i was mafia. Does any of you understand that if i was mafia, in the pool of those people there is always at least one townie and i could easily create "content" by pointing out the flaws in logic there á la Holyflare style, and look good doing so?

I think the people who scumread Holyflare are dumb, and if the reasoning is anything other than "one of him and rayn is mafia and rayn looks better" it is dumb. To be honest i am almost willing to lynchy myself over Holyflare since maybe then he can see why Exo is very very very likely to be mafia and not waffle around with some other lynches. Or i end up facepalming again if he is in fact mafia...

Well okay, Skynx isn't a bad lynch, neither is Calix. Maybe they are even both mafia. I genuinely don't understand why Skynx would feel the need to rage over his top 3 mafia having a wagon on him and martyr. That just seems super fucking fake.

Calix and Vivax. Mehhhhhhh... Now i really hate Eversince fucked up majorly, even more than before. It is true that Calix' D3 looks better than before but still, i can't get over the eod1 shit and i would have probably voted for Calix D2 if there wasn't the eversince stuff. I honestly don't jsut care about Vivax anymore. Whatever. I am tired of trying to argue with him when his arguments are driven by who calls him scum at times and then he wants to atalk about something but it is only him talking and not listening. It is terrible if he is town.

Oats could actually be mafia. I don't have any specific reason because this is pretty much how his town play looks like, and as i said he is usually much funnier to play with when he is scum because he is actually doing something that makes sense and actaully discussing shit. But if there are two townies in Skynx/Calix/Vivax/Exo, Oats is definitely mafia. Just because he isn't calling me mafia enough, as that's what he does as town and not so much as mafia as he cannot actually find reasons for me to be mafia since he can somewhat read me lol.

Out of the lynch options, i think:
Skynx is the best lynch.
Calix is maybe not mafia
Holyflare is not mafia.

Exo is my preferred lynch but i am going to vote for Skynx out of those three if for some reason Exo isn't an option. Actually there is another reason for Skynx to be mafia but it's bad so i don't wanna say that outloud. You can maybe find it by looking at the voting thread D1 around the time i voted for Exo and compare it to my posts on D1.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 15:30 GMT
#2396
Nevermind i will say it anyways.
I townread both Vivax and Skynx on D1. Vivax and Skynx are leading wagons. Then this happens.
On April 10 2018 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote exo_

On April 10 2018 02:54 Skynx wrote:
##Unvote

On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote:
##Vote: n00bking

On April 10 2018 04:17 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: N00bking

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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 15:30 GMT
#2397
Yeah Calix is not mafia.
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April 15 2018 15:30 GMT
#2398
##vote Skynx
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April 15 2018 17:26 GMT
#2401
yeah kill me then
i dont care
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April 15 2018 17:26 GMT
#2402
i dont have a reason to scumread homeless. why would i write about him?
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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 17:33 GMT
#2404
Also Calix you are by definition nonsensical by yourself based on D1 when you can't even follow your own fucking principles so you even coming in and having nerve telling me i am saying one thing and doing something else is fucked up as fuck.

Go away.
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April 15 2018 17:34 GMT
#2405
On April 16 2018 02:28 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah kill me then
i dont care


Is anyone actually going to play mafia or are they just going to post "fuck this I don't care" and nothing else whenever someone accuses them?

It's a wee bit annoying.

If i played mafia i would lynch you maybe 7/10 but apparently there are townies who are not playing mafia and you are not even the wrost of people not playing mafia. You can call me all kinds of things but not doing shit when i do is not one of them.

So just go fuck yourself and do whatever you want. Idc.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 15 2018 17:45 GMT
#2408
I haven't said one thing and done another. You can paint it as that as much you want to but it hasn't happened without a easily figureable reason. So there is that.

And yes, i am gonna be annoying because noone listens to me when i say something and then they are "oh but rayn is probably scum because he isn't saying anything". You can't have it both ways.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 15 2018 17:45 GMT
#2409
Also this will be the last mafia game i play here, promise.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 15 2018 17:46 GMT
#2410
I will trust my read on Oats so exo+vivax+skynx end game credits bye.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 15 2018 17:46 GMT
#2411
I will only trust it because people are annoying and i wanty you to be wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 15 2018 17:52 GMT
#2415
On April 16 2018 02:51 Skynx wrote:
No one is killing you relax

Only your scumreads were killing you so why didn't you relax?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 15 2018 18:07 GMT
#2436
On April 16 2018 03:01 ExO_ wrote:
##Unvote
Vote: Rayn


And Rayn if you’re town you deserve this and we deserve to lose. Coming into the thread saying “all the town played scummy so im not responsible for my vote, its the way they played they were stupid” is such bullshit. Sorry not everyone is a good enough mafia player for your standards that its the fault of everyone else you couldnt change your reads.

Good shit here. Apparently Skynx is not mafia for you for saying the same shit except that he figured it out before townies even started playing terribly (aka vote for him).

Very good.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 12:25 GMT
#2578
I am going to hold the game hostage tomorrow.
I will get tired of arguing with these newer people who can't tell scum motivation from town motivation and run like headless chickens calling every player mafia in a row and then concede as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 12:25 GMT
#2579
It's gonna be my way or lose.
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April 16 2018 12:28 GMT
#2581
On April 16 2018 21:27 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to hold the game hostage tomorrow.
I will get tired of arguing with these newer people who can't tell scum motivation from town motivation and run like headless chickens calling every player mafia in a row and then concede as town.


how do you know ull be here tomorrow?

you're probably mafia because you can't be this stupid for real.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 12:28 GMT
#2583
oh and i also have a gun.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 12:59 GMT
#2608
On April 16 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote:
HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum


Then lynch rayn, jesus fuck.

Just look at the last cycle from a mafia perspective. Town skynx/town hf up for lynch, what is mafia gonna do? Shit all that's what. Who did shit all? Rayn, oats, you, skynx, ch, vivax (what did he actually do in regards to skynx?).

Since you are claimed blue then you've got oats/rayn/ch/vivax. Yet you assume I'm the mafia?

Since you're looking at the last cycle "from mafia perspective" this post is garbage.
But it's okay Holyflare.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 13:01 GMT
#2609
I would never pass up on lynching Holyflare as mafia ever. 100% never ever. It would jsut be too funny, even if it means i get lynched after.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 13:06 GMT
#2610
There is one thing i will say in my defense and that's gonna be it, you may choose to not believe it and i will not care because honestly i don't really trust anyone in this game other than Tubesock and maybe ch and sadly mr. Tubesock is failing after very good early game.

A mafia team where i am in is never going to make those night kills. That's it. Period.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 13:18 GMT
#2614
This is what i shoot:
Holyflare - Killed Night 1, Vanilla
Vivax - Killed Night 1, Vanilla
rsoultin - Killed Night 2, Jailkeeper
Tictock N2 who some scrub wanted to shoot when i wanted to shoot Mocsta

darthfoley Killed Night 2 as Unaware Wonderer
Holyflare Killed Night 1 as VT
Koshi Killed Night 1 as Unaware Miller
Chezitwo Killed Night 4 as Veteran (tried to shoot him already earlier)
Vivax Killed Night 2 as VT
sicklucker Killed Night 3 as Parity Cop (because he claimed)
Eversince Killed Night 5 as Town Tracker (blue)

rsoultin N1
LS N2 (because he claimed)
FF N (because he was confirmed town)
Koshi N4

ObviousOneAcolyte Shot N1
WaveofShadow Acolyte Shot N2
hzflank replaced by Koshi Acolyte Shot N3

this game was full of scrubs so i just shot the best players out of the playerbase


That's the last 5 years when i havent been lynched D1 as mafia or replaced in.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 13:18 GMT
#2615
On April 16 2018 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would never pass up on lynching Holyflare as mafia ever. 100% never ever. It would jsut be too funny, even if it means i get lynched after.


That's not true. It's in mafia's best interest to not lynch into me and you too because if I flip town and you're mafia you'll likely just die?

so? do you think i would care? :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 13:23 GMT
#2616
I want to be unaware wonderer too
best role lol
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:05 GMT
#2627
On April 16 2018 22:44 Holyflare wrote:
If you think I'm mafia in this game just read my filter. If you conclude I'm mafia after that I suggest you join a newbie game and get some coaching.

I am genuinely super confused why you act like you do as town and be all in my face when there was no reason to and when you have "every reason" to scumread me aka the check and my "bad post" you act all nice and not pushy at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:05 GMT
#2628
On April 16 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town

I thought you just said i am not scum a while ago.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:24 GMT
#2630
On April 16 2018 23:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 16 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, you presented the leading case that got Eversince lynched. Congratulations?


and you sheeped it

if we’re both town who’s worse?

like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town

everyone calls you good but youre actually trash


I literally have no idea where this has stemmed from. I'm telling exo that mafia motivation in a tvt lynch is to sit back and I gave him a list of names of people I thought who did that. I don't think you pushed skynx very hard nor did much yesterday. Sorry if you feel otherwise.

And why exactly am i writing a shit fuck wall of text when there is a tvt lynch as mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:25 GMT
#2631
Like, HF, you have to call me mafia or not.
Decide.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:25 GMT
#2632
Or call exo mafia. that's basically it, and you are not doing either.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:28 GMT
#2635
look better than you looked yesterday? what?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:29 GMT
#2636
what does it have to do with anything if i look better than you? like don't you know your own alignment? can i somehow look better to YOU than you do?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:32 GMT
#2638
Also yeah if i get lynched this game it's because i probably fucked up yesterday. I wrote like three posts and deleted them all because in the end it didn't make any sense to me. My post was probably bad, i will you that, and if i am not right there then i probably deserve to die but i disagree it is a scummy post because it definitely isn't. I don't know why you and Calix are trying to make it look like it is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 16 2018 14:41 GMT
#2641
On April 16 2018 23:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what does it have to do with anything if i look better than you? like don't you know your own alignment? can i somehow look better to YOU than you do?


To everyone else you pleb. If I'm there and there's a "red check" on one of us and I'm posting all day casing then you look comparatively worse.

I know pretty well how to say stuff that other people like as you do. As mafia i mean.
But okay.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:45 GMT
#2642
On April 16 2018 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I said it's bad and it's your only contribution. Lack of contributing and bad looks bad for alignments.

Mhm.... By definition your contributions were bad too. Because you ended up lynching a townie (or sheeping doing that). I am sorry i can't be here all the time but that's how it is and if you are gonna sue me or anyone for not having as much time as you do then you're either mafia or doing it wrong. I do what i can with my time.

Calling my post bad and saying it is a mafia post is one thing but saying i lack contributing is just unreasonable because even with my few posts yesterday i have given a read on everyone in the game.
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Profile Joined April 2007
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April 16 2018 14:47 GMT
#2643
On April 16 2018 23:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what does it have to do with anything if i look better than you? like don't you know your own alignment? can i somehow look better to YOU than you do?


To everyone else you pleb. If I'm there and there's a "red check" on one of us and I'm posting all day casing then you look comparatively worse.

Actually that's pretty funny because you had votes on you and i didn't.
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 14:47 GMT
#2644
Do you wonder why that was?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 15:07 GMT
#2647
On April 17 2018 00:03 Vivax wrote:
have we arrived at the point where we lynch calix hf oats yet?

which one first?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 15:20 GMT
#2650
On April 17 2018 00:19 Vivax wrote:
fine I'll settle for Oats at this point

no, whats your opinion?
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Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 15:21 GMT
#2651
can someone make a case on oats?
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April 16 2018 16:09 GMT
#2653
On April 17 2018 00:52 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 17 2018 00:19 Vivax wrote:
fine I'll settle for Oats at this point

no, whats your opinion?


It doesn't matter

I am pretty sure it does, especially since you have been unwilling to concede to any other player's points in this game like fucking ever and now the guy who you have been scumreading all game long says someone is mafia and you just "settle"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
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April 16 2018 16:10 GMT
#2654
And you have the nerve to tell other people they are playing bad?
Like fuck you if you're town. Just fucking fuck you. But you're probably not after all.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 16 2018 21:10 GMT
#2699
Vivax are you around in the morning?
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raynpelikoneet
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Finland43268 Posts
April 17 2018 02:55 GMT
#2707
On April 17 2018 10:51 Vivax wrote:
Like what's the mafia motivation for him to lie about the gun when all it could possibly achieve is get up everyone against him? He's obviously just trolling town.

Joking is better said.
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April 17 2018 12:45 GMT
#2719
On April 17 2018 12:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will trust my read on Oats so exo+vivax+skynx end game credits bye.


End game credits looking worse by the day bro

What's the re-eval?

Yeah you're right and i am bad.
It's Oats/Calix/HF.
Tube and CH are gonna throw though.
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April 17 2018 12:49 GMT
#2721

##Vote: Oatsmaster
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April 17 2018 13:01 GMT
#2722
On April 17 2018 04:50 Calix wrote:
Rayn should be the lynch because he complains and berates other people but doesn't contribute anything 'better' or try to fix anything. His filter is full of negative comments, criticisms, etc, but no solutions. Mafia do this because it's easy to point out someone's mistakes but it's harder and actually pro-town to actually create and push for answers. A lot of his scum-reads are just "things that don't make sense" or "I do not understand how it comes from town" and not things that actually make people mafia.

He uses lots of WIFOM arguments when defending himself, such as with comments like "I wouldn't do X as mafia" and his latest posts were lacking in substance. By this I mean he introduced gun WIFOM (something which nobody else can confirm or disprove ever) which can only confuse, not clarify, matters for the town.

This isn't a case because that implies I want a response from rayn. I just want him dead.

I am open to an Oats lynch today as well but I do not actually have a good case on him aside from "POE + dodgy comments + could be scum with most people" so I'm feeling a bit waffly there.

Tubesock go read this again because:
First part is the definition of reasoning that makes people mafia and i am mafia for using that line of reasoning?
Second one doesn't say anything, like ofc i will say i never do X as mafia because i don't. I don't shoot my mislynches lol.
This isn't a case she just wants me dead. mhm.. okay. But she doesn't apparently really want me dead because she can also vote for Oatsmaster but is waffling? What's the point of writing the post when it doesn't end anywhere despite providing a conclusion even before the post ends?
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April 17 2018 14:30 GMT
#2746
On April 17 2018 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 17 2018 04:50 Calix wrote:
Rayn should be the lynch because he complains and berates other people but doesn't contribute anything 'better' or try to fix anything. His filter is full of negative comments, criticisms, etc, but no solutions. Mafia do this because it's easy to point out someone's mistakes but it's harder and actually pro-town to actually create and push for answers. A lot of his scum-reads are just "things that don't make sense" or "I do not understand how it comes from town" and not things that actually make people mafia.

He uses lots of WIFOM arguments when defending himself, such as with comments like "I wouldn't do X as mafia" and his latest posts were lacking in substance. By this I mean he introduced gun WIFOM (something which nobody else can confirm or disprove ever) which can only confuse, not clarify, matters for the town.

This isn't a case because that implies I want a response from rayn. I just want him dead.

I am open to an Oats lynch today as well but I do not actually have a good case on him aside from "POE + dodgy comments + could be scum with most people" so I'm feeling a bit waffly there.

Tubesock go read this again because:
First part is the definition of reasoning that makes people mafia and i am mafia for using that line of reasoning?
Second one doesn't say anything, like ofc i will say i never do X as mafia because i don't. I don't shoot my mislynches lol.
This isn't a case she just wants me dead. mhm.. okay. But she doesn't apparently really want me dead because she can also vote for Oatsmaster but is waffling? What's the point of writing the post when it doesn't end anywhere despite providing a conclusion even before the post ends?


Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 17 2018 12:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 16 2018 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will trust my read on Oats so exo+vivax+skynx end game credits bye.


End game credits looking worse by the day bro

What's the re-eval?

Yeah you're right and i am bad.
It's Oats/Calix/HF.
Tube and CH are gonna throw though.



And I do?????

idk, i don't really have a decent case against you tbh. But Vivax needs to be town because otherwise he is throwing both of his teammates under the bus and everyone thinks Oats is scum but noone has ever even lift a finger towards him. And Tube cannot be mafia and CH makes the most sense in the game after Vivax so i don't really have options, especially since you have triesd to kill Calix from N1 and always ended up on somewhere else. Yeah i know that's what everyone did which is why i find Calix' case to be completely unreasonable. But the thing is you are letting these sort of arguments run around in thread when they are imo completely ridiculous. I think it makes you mafia. That and Exo being in fact town.
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April 17 2018 14:31 GMT
#2747
Honestly you've done it many times this game Holyflare.
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April 17 2018 16:26 GMT
#2751
On April 18 2018 00:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly you've done it many times this game Holyflare.


I didn't. I've said I'd make more optimal kills after exo nk if I were to be following the "give town as little amount of information as possible" strat that mafia seem to be making and that's about it.

Regardless, if I did this isn't even the argument I made. It's rayn's argument that he isn't mafia because of the nks, not me.

I was talking about this:

But the thing is you are letting these sort of arguments run around in thread when they are imo completely ridiculous.
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raynpelikoneet
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April 17 2018 20:30 GMT
#2770
Tubesock, do you realize Calix either:
1) thinks youre mafia
2) is effectively trying to throw the game
3) is mafia.

Your pick...
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April 18 2018 14:49 GMT
#2864
I will first start by saying this:
On April 18 2018 19:42 Calix wrote:
I am all in on CH/ rayn/ Oats so the only thing left for me to do is to convince you two that this is the mafia team. rayn/ CH will be doing their best to convince you that HF/ Calix is the team. I am saying this to make it explicit what our agendas are.

Like that is the game. HF/ Calix vs rayn/ CH/ Oats. Nobody is compromising from this point onward. Basically you two will decide who wins the game.

Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer.

And Oats is always mafia here, lol. There is no magical tinfoil world where he is town who just decides to diddle himself at LYLO. He's hardly posting anything because he doesn't want to compromise mafia agenda.

First look at the third paragraph. It is true me and Oats have done very little (if you wanna put it that way). I do not disagree with it. I however disagree with the fact that anyone has done anything in this game. If we look at the players Calix is talking about and the "macro" throughout the game by "achievements" here is where it goes:

Holyflare:
- made a decent sounding case on Vivax on D1. Tried to convince me to look into Vivax and when i did, and wanted him to explain more -- i asked him about the meta point he brought up which was contradicting to mine, he never cared enough to go further and prove his point
- made a decent sounding case on Calix on N1, this never went anywhere after this
- hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night)
- made a case on Skynx
- has waffled on my alignment all game, when there is no logical reason to think i am mafia he thinks i am mafia, when there is a logical reason to think i am mafia (check) he doesn't think i am mafia as much as before...???

Calix:
- I don't give a flying fuck what she has said on D1 because she ended up voting noone. Period, she did nothing D1.
- Sheeped the rest of the game.
- Today is making claims that i will disprove and tell why they don't follow town logic shortly after

I am not touching D2 and D3 because the only people who did something notable in those days were Eversince and Skynx and that doing was "kill myself". Noone else did anything during those days, except for CH (and kind of me because noone really understood what CH was saying) who made the case on Eversince and Holyflare who made the case on Skynx. I think it is very unreasonable thing to say someone did anything on D2 or D3, because noone did.

If that's what calix is saying, she (and HF) has done less than me. You should never count doing something in "doing something" when it doesn't end up anywhewre. If you're not counting that, then her argument falls apart because i actually have done stuff, people haven't jsut listened to me.

Notice the last paragraph here in that post. The important thing is that Calix thinks Oats is mafia. Now let's go here:
Calix wants to get votes on me (i assume she wants to get votes on me because otherwise everything she has done today is pointless) instead of oats because:
Mafia are voting for Oats which tells me he is not an important role like Role blocker. Because you do not bus RBer when Vet is alive. So I think Rayn is more likely to have a good scum role.

Tubesock, especially Tubesock. Can you understand the why this argument is scummy?
Any mafia role doesn't mean shit here. Even if i am mafia with Oatsmaster mafia can still shoot Tubesock twice without roleblocking him if they choose to and and it doesn't change when LYLO is. The only reasoning where this makes sense from town perspective is if:
- She doesn't think Oatsmaster is mafia (which is incorrect as per her)
- She thinks Tubesock is mafia (because all the town votes need to be in the same place, and she doesnt think Tubesock is mafia)

The only reasoning that actually makes sense here is that she is mafia and wants to end the game today. This happens (REGARDLESS OF MY AFFILIATION) if there are two townies on me and Oatsmaster, yes, even if we are both mafia that's what happens. The plan is to try divide votes for townies. And that is fucking scummy. She doesn't even have a case on me, she just wants me dead. And uses the "thread sentiment" of how the game has gone to paint me scummy with saying "you arent doing anything". Being annoying doesn't make anyone mafia, it just makes them being annoying, nothing else, and i am annoying. That's pretty much it. She never tries to convince Tubesock to vote for me instead of Oats which she should be doing if she is town because there is only mafia motivation not to.

That is what Calix has done today. Sure she ended up on Oats now when i said it already. So it doesn't mean shit. I even waited to see if she just made a mistake but there is no way a person who has experience playing mafia does not understand this in hours being active all time.

----------------------

On Holyflare:

I said before i don't know why Holyflare is letting bad arguments running around in thread. He has to be mafia for it. This is one of them. The above is something Holyflare should easily figure out if he paid enough attention. Even if he thinks Calix is town (well actually ESPECIALLY) he should guide Calix to the right track and cut the crap there. Yet he doesn't. He doesn't do anything about it, jsut says:
On April 18 2018 14:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 14:50 Vivax wrote:
Place a vote HF?


We need to be unanimous.

..which is fucking weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk............. It's like he wants to be right but have a chance for town to fuck up at the same time.

There are also other instances of that behavior, like Calix' earlier case on me, Exo me/gb stuff, where HF should 100% know the argument is (if not scummy, at least) fucking terrible and never makes any sense. I am sure i forgot some others but those come to my mind at the top of my head.

Another thing is the read on me, where Holyflare reads me as mafia when he should not, and reads me town when he "should not" (aka when there are less reasons for him to read me as town). The read progression is super fucking dumb in my opinion.

----------------------

CH, you need to vote for Oatsmaster. I think Tubesock said he isn't gonna be around anymore(?).
Vivax you need to do whatever Tubesock does, or if they both fucking afk'd already you need to vote for Oatsmaster quickly. Right now always vote for Oats. Otherwise you risk losing the game.

So go do it.
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April 18 2018 17:53 GMT
#2867
On April 19 2018 00:44 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think calix is mafia. It's simple. I think your read that she should know tube can just be shot twice and changes nothing is a complete stretch. The town explanation is that townies don't always/really ever need to think about how many lynches are left if they shoot a vet twice. They just need to find mafia. I can say this with confidence because I also did not know that and I'm town so it's definitely possible.

The argument on me is just bs too. I didn't stop arguments when I post twice a day before work and slightly after work when these conversations occur that you can easily defend yourself? Are there examples of these conversations?

No it is not. It is not a stretch because Calix has clearly thought this through since she can come to a conclusion where she wants to lynch me because "i am an important power role". I understand your point could possibly come from town, i concede to that, but Calix' never can. It just can't. The only reason she can make that point is if she wants to divide townies into voting two different targets, as i said it doesn't even matter if i am mafia or not in this scenario, because Calix thinks Oats is mafia. If Calix thinks Oats is mafia she should NEVER EVER vote outside Oats unless she thinks Tubesock is mafia. It is that simple.

I am not blaming you for not having this conclusion yourself in the first place, because you are not Calix. I am blaming you for not thinking this through yourself AFTER and having this conclusion and telling Calix -- as you think she is town -- that EVEN IF YOU ARE CORRECT AND ME AND OATS ARE BOTH MAFIA she is trying to lose the game right now!!!!!!!! That's what i am blaming you for, and i don't know why you would do that, unless you are mafia.

This is an example of said argument. Another one is this:
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

This is actually the most terrible single post in thread:
- follow thread sentiment, check
- make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check
- doesn't make any sense at all, check

I can't show you what you did regarding this because you did absolutely nothing. You should 100% always know this is a retarded argument because it doesn't make any sense and there is always town motivation for GB to do that, there is always a town motivation for me to "not be around" because it was fucking middle of the night, yet you never ever say anything about this post, ever. Only after D2 you start pressing Exo for being mafia. Yet STILL this isn't included in your reasoning, when it was a terrible conclusion that SHOULD in a normal world be scummy as fuck. Just because it is.

Another thing is this:
On April 09 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 09 2018 03:55 Holyflare wrote:

Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?


Did this ever get answered?

It's one thing for you to "slow play" a vote because that's "how you always do it as town" but it's another to accuse someone of making up something but then not voting them.

If you believe this, why didn't you vote for me when i was "making shit up"? The reason i am highly considering you as mafia is because the way you agreed to Calix' case -- especially this part doesn't make any sense. If you believe Calix is correct (which you did) you should yourself have voted for me as per your own definition on "what a townie should do". Another funny thing is that you yourself make such claims all the time and if we lynched for that you would probably be lynched in every single game.

But the bottom part is you do one thing but still say the townie thing to do is the other thing.

This is what you also did when Calix made a case that in no way makes me mafia (even if i was mafia the reasoning she used never makes me mafia and you should know better to know it). Same thing happens here today, Calix is using extremely flawed reasoning to call me mafia and you just.... do nothing.,,,,

I can't show you how you reacted to these theings because... you just didn't.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 17:56 GMT
#2868
And like saying "i should defend myself" is a terrible argument in my opinion because you of all people in this game should know i am perfectly capable of defending myself against terrible arguments as mafia, i love doing that because it makes me look good and the other person (if town) bad.

You know that, newer players might not. So i can't find the motivation for you as town to let these arguments run around because it cannot possibly make you to get a better read on me (it never should), it only helps causing other people possibly thinking i am mafia for absolutely garbafge reasons.

I don't know why i am trying to convince you you are scum so i will stop posting here.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 17:57 GMT
#2869
I know you explained the D1 stuff and i bought it, but when it happens again and again i don't think your explanation is genuine anymore, especially since it was "i saw a shiny case and agreed with it".
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:34 GMT
#2880
On April 19 2018 03:00 Holyflare wrote:
Her vote is on oats how is she losing the game?

I said she was at the time. Like why are you twisting the argument into something that it is not? I clearly explained why it doesn't even matter anymore.

I am not applying this to homeless because he is just dumb as fuck and all over the place as it seems. But someone who claims to be very fucking observant and super townie and all that shit yeah no....... Yeah you are right, we arent losing if homelss is not mafia.

Oh right, your argument that he is df or disformation is completely retarded because there is absolutely 0% chance EVER in this game this dude is disformation and if he was darthfoley you should be pushing his lynch 100% of the time every single second you "figured out" it is darthfoley because even his first post in the game always makes him mafia if he is darthfoley (or basically any of the "normal players" who play nowadays aside from sicklucker).
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:37 GMT
#2882
On April 08 2018 10:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game.

If you think the dude is anyone who regularly plays here aside from a troll like kush or sicklucker you should always think this guy is mafia because this post always makes him mafia.

So darthfoley or disformation without a stupidly aggressive push on homeless here makes absolutely zero sense.
Fact.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:39 GMT
#2884
ofc i dont agree he is df, i am saying if you think he is you should be trying to convince the town to always lynch him (even before this day) because if he was df he was always mafia.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:40 GMT
#2886
Well i am off to work.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:43 GMT
#2889
On April 19 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
I'm calling the dude mafia and tried to lynch him day 1 lol :D

Maybe you can also "stop this stupid argument" and just look at the fucking search bar?

D1 doesn't mean anything regarding this because you thought it was kush. Actually in that sense you couldn't prove that meta either, the one you were trying to sell me "kush reads me very correctly". You only managed to try lynch him in the last moments of D1, never ever after. Calling him mafia is different from trying to lynch him when you always find a better argument on someone else, like what happened with your read on Vivax and Calix. None of those three make any sense because you had a GOOD read, you never went back to that.

Like i get lynching ES and Skynx but still you arent going back to any of that in any way, and you ALSO manage to comp Calix in her terrible arguments and call them good. So there is that, if you are town and Vivax is in fact mafia then you have fucked up.

But i don't think ypure town.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 18:44 GMT
#2890
Ah so you just concede to the point this guy tells you "i am not the guy you are saying i am".
But you never did that when he said he is not kush.

Very selective.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 19:10 GMT
#2898
On April 19 2018 03:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 08 2018 10:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game.

If you think the dude is anyone who regularly plays here aside from a troll like kush or sicklucker you should always think this guy is mafia because this post always makes him mafia.

So darthfoley or disformation without a stupidly aggressive push on homeless here makes absolutely zero sense.
Fact.

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On April 18 2018 15:03 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:02 Holyflare wrote:
Which when you are darthfoley you already know.


rofl i’m not darthfoley but ok

no one has guessed whi i am yet and probably none of you can


If you are not saying he is not df then this post doesnt make any sense. When i am saying "your smurf read is terrible and if you think he is df you should 100% lynch this guy" (which you arent) you counter by quoting a post where the cuy says he is not df, then you say "but i still think he is df"

What the fuck?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 18 2018 19:12 GMT
#2899
Excrpt you are not pushing him
Never 3ver after D1 have you pushed him. Not even now. Calix pushed me, that is what is called a push. You dping what you are is not a push when you should 100% know this guy is magia baded o your reasoning.

So i dont believe you.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 19 2018 04:06 GMT
#2920
On April 19 2018 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
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hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night)


Also wtf was this bull shit rayn? At least make up convincing lies. This literally never happened.

mhm... So what is this then?
On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.

I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.

Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2


"guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell.

Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself.

I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.

On April 12 2018 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 12 2018 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.

Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia

Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point


That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?


I didn't see you really pushing this point. Your biggest wall of text was talking about her inconsistencies and talking about the gun and then I saw vivax come in and say "You're right rayn, how did I forget that." Think you wrote about 1 line on the GB/night kill part and if Homeless pushed it then Vivax certainly didn't give him any credit for it.

It's a correct point to push and it's why Exo looks really really really bad for not pushing it tbh and she should well be the lynch but I still think Vivax is being opportune.

I realise I'm pretty tunneled at this point though so I'll stop hammering on about it for now.

On April 12 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
You know if es flips town we're lynching you next exo?

+ Show Spoiler +
and also if she flips mafia

Sounds like a pretty hard scumread to me.
But maybe you just use words differently than i do.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 19 2018 04:09 GMT
#2921
Wait i wrote the wrong day in my original post, nevermind.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 19 2018 14:24 GMT
#3007
I don't really have anything else to add, i have said all i have to say.
It's up to Tube and Vivax now.

Well there is one thing but too busy rn.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 12:34 GMT
#3105
##vote Holyflare

As i said i don't really have anything to add and it's up to you to decide Tubesock. I could write all kinds of shiny post like HF is doing but it won't change anything. All the information is in the thread already. If you have some questions i will have time this evening or tomorrow in the morning.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 12:35 GMT
#3106
##unvote

wait what the fuck is going on here?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 12:36 GMT
#3107
What is this CH?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 12:42 GMT
#3111
idk what is happening but i don't believe that claim.
##vote currentlyhomeless
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 13:13 GMT
#3115
Fuck if this game is decided by a miller. That will be really sad.

But the only motivation i can come up with for CH is that he knows he already won. He isn't making any sense with any person as mafia to do that, but there is absolutely no town motivation ever to do that, and he is not a jailkeeper.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 13:15 GMT
#3117
I know Holyflare will never allow that, never.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 13:30 GMT
#3119
There is nothing to discuss, you claimed mafia.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 19:12 GMT
#3131
HF i am not mafia,
idk what is going on.
why arent you killing ch?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 20 2018 19:19 GMT
#3132
you can lose.
idk. i dont havbe time for it bvecause ppl think it is 100% we are mafgia, or one of us is.
We lose.

idk.

CH is mafia thoiugh, you should lynch him today ands lynch me the followig day
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2018 01:25 GMT
#3160
You are throwing tubesock.
i dont blame you but you are :/
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Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2018 01:31 GMT
#3161
CH and Calix.
gg
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Finland43268 Posts
April 21 2018 01:32 GMT
#3162
fucking miller.
bleh hf.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 25 2018 17:18 GMT
#3283
On April 25 2018 06:29 currentlyhomeless wrote:
btw I know rayn will disagree with me on NKs but actually the only night where we could have killed HF (and maybe should have) was n3. However I would disagree even there.

I will vehemently disagree with anyone who says the NKs lost us the game, it was our shitty day play that lost us the game, but I know everyone thinks NKs (particularly killing good players) are really important for some reason. Had we played as a team and gotten a townie lynched on d4 we would’ve just won.

You can’t predict exactly what would have happened if we had shot different people. For example, I didn’t really have a good reason for killing GB other than people considered him townish and HF was likely to be protted n1. So people coming back and linking me and rayn being scum to him calling us scum in his last posts was just a fluke. I actually hadn’t even noticed he wrote that post.

My theory on scum is that the NKs matter only in so far as they should minimize the help given to town to lynch correctly. Suppose we killed “good” players instead. Let’s say we gambled on the prot and shot HF N1. Then we let everyone, especially better players like Vivax and Calix focus without paying attention to HF existing. Rayn would’ve gotten lynched earlier, and with a PC in the game if he checked HF n1 he would know his checks are real. We’d have to find him before he found one of us and with rayn being scum that was impossible unless we caught the breadcrumb.

If we shot Vivax we lost a townie who would help us throw doubt on HF and continue to make the game confusing. If we shot Calix we lost a townie who was making the game harder for everyone else (and several times almost became a lynch)

n3 if we shot tube and let exo live and check someone I think we would’ve won as well but that’s a very risky play only someone like me would consider, I think, and it follows the rule that NKs should not give town any info. Killing exo confirmed him and gave credence to the checks. Killing tube, even if exo came up with another check on d4, would have ensured town got no new info as literally no one considered tube scum.

Anyway I’m curious to hear others’ opinions there. And sorry Oats & rayn as I singlehandedly threw the game for us

If you don't shoot the town players who will figure out mafia sooner or later you will probably lose. That's it. Not shooting Holyflare ever lost us the game, after N2 there was no chance to do that because it would have lost us the game even more.

I know leaving Vivax alive before the night i was lynched had a chance to win us the game. However i heavily dislike the fact you went completely against the plan we made in the qt (the reason we did NOT shoot Tube instead of Vivax). I just didn't wanna play after that. Please do not do that, it doesn't matter that much if my teammates play good or bad, it destroys the game for me if my team makes a plan everyone approves (regardless if the decision is good or bad) and then you just fuck all over the plan and do something completely different WITHOUT discussing it with your team.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 25 2018 17:23 GMT
#3284
basically i wasted one and a half week of almost all my free time for someone who is in my team to just fuck me over in the end.

that's how i feel like. i am sorry for my bad play at times but still, that's how i feel like.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 25 2018 17:31 GMT
#3285
On April 25 2018 08:29 ExO_ wrote:
yeah vivax in obs qt when we knew rayn had to be scum was still on HF,

dude was crazy tunneled

I dont mean to be a dick but do you ever wonder why both of the dudes -- one of you have a red check on -- were not believed to be mafia over you?
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 25 2018 18:11 GMT
#3288
cmon the correct play was to always lynch me or you. :D
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Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 25 2018 20:40 GMT
#3290
gg HF.
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April 30 2018 09:32 GMT
#3308
On April 26 2018 07:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 26 2018 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
basically i wasted one and a half week of almost all my free time for someone who is in my team to just fuck me over in the end.

that's how i feel like. i am sorry for my bad play at times but still, that's how i feel like.


Sorry you feel this way. I think you are wrong, we had 0 chance of winning after Vivax died and then town didn’t pick up on the WIFOM. HF can probably tell you better than I can what his gauge of the situation was.

At any rate the objective fact is that if we shot HF N2 you would’ve been insta lynched by this town afterward cause the cop had a red check on you. I’m not sure how you are forgetting that and still saying shooting HF n2 was the right play. It was hard enough not to get them to lynch into the check D3.

It might be true we "had 0 chance of winning after Vivax died" but you never gave it any chance. When Tubesock made his first post on the next day you just immediately "conceded" and threw away everything and fakeclaimed Jailer. It is sometimes amazing what townies can actually do for mafia... Like i would never expect Eversince and Skynx basically claiming mafia as town.

The thing is you never even gave our plan any chance to work.
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Finland43268 Posts
April 30 2018 09:34 GMT
#3309
Also you effectively killed Oatsmaster by shooting Damdred slot because there was never any mafia team ever in the game anymore where Oatsmaster is not present.

It is not always what you say or do, it's often times what you dont.
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