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On April 19 2018 06:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night) Also wtf was this bull shit rayn? At least make up convincing lies. This literally never happened.
mhm... So what is this then?
On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2 "guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell. Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself. I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
On April 12 2018 05:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.
Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia
Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point
That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into? I didn't see you really pushing this point. Your biggest wall of text was talking about her inconsistencies and talking about the gun and then I saw vivax come in and say "You're right rayn, how did I forget that." Think you wrote about 1 line on the GB/night kill part and if Homeless pushed it then Vivax certainly didn't give him any credit for it. It's a correct point to push and it's why Exo looks really really really bad for not pushing it tbh and she should well be the lynch but I still think Vivax is being opportune. I realise I'm pretty tunneled at this point though so I'll stop hammering on about it for now.
On April 12 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:You know if es flips town we're lynching you next exo? + Show Spoiler +and also if she flips mafia 
Sounds like a pretty hard scumread to me.
But maybe you just use words differently than i do.
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Wait i wrote the wrong day in my original post, nevermind.
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I don't really have anything else to add, i have said all i have to say.
It's up to Tube and Vivax now.
Well there is one thing but too busy rn.
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##vote Holyflare
As i said i don't really have anything to add and it's up to you to decide Tubesock. I could write all kinds of shiny post like HF is doing but it won't change anything. All the information is in the thread already. If you have some questions i will have time this evening or tomorrow in the morning.
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##unvote
wait what the fuck is going on here?
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idk what is happening but i don't believe that claim.
##vote currentlyhomeless
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Fuck if this game is decided by a miller. That will be really sad. 
But the only motivation i can come up with for CH is that he knows he already won. He isn't making any sense with any person as mafia to do that, but there is absolutely no town motivation ever to do that, and he is not a jailkeeper.
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I know Holyflare will never allow that, never.
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There is nothing to discuss, you claimed mafia.
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HF i am not mafia,
idk what is going on.
why arent you killing ch?
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you can lose.
idk. i dont havbe time for it bvecause ppl think it is 100% we are mafgia, or one of us is.
We lose.
idk.
CH is mafia thoiugh, you should lynch him today ands lynch me the followig day
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You are throwing tubesock.
i dont blame you but you are :/
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CH and Calix.
gg
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On April 25 2018 06:29 currentlyhomeless wrote:btw I know rayn will disagree with me on NKs but actually the only night where we could have killed HF (and maybe should have) was n3. However I would disagree even there. I will vehemently disagree with anyone who says the NKs lost us the game, it was our shitty day play that lost us the game, but I know everyone thinks NKs (particularly killing good players) are really important for some reason. Had we played as a team and gotten a townie lynched on d4 we would’ve just won. You can’t predict exactly what would have happened if we had shot different people. For example, I didn’t really have a good reason for killing GB other than people considered him townish and HF was likely to be protted n1. So people coming back and linking me and rayn being scum to him calling us scum in his last posts was just a fluke. I actually hadn’t even noticed he wrote that post. My theory on scum is that the NKs matter only in so far as they should minimize the help given to town to lynch correctly. Suppose we killed “good” players instead. Let’s say we gambled on the prot and shot HF N1. Then we let everyone, especially better players like Vivax and Calix focus without paying attention to HF existing. Rayn would’ve gotten lynched earlier, and with a PC in the game if he checked HF n1 he would know his checks are real. We’d have to find him before he found one of us and with rayn being scum that was impossible unless we caught the breadcrumb. If we shot Vivax we lost a townie who would help us throw doubt on HF and continue to make the game confusing. If we shot Calix we lost a townie who was making the game harder for everyone else (and several times almost became a lynch) n3 if we shot tube and let exo live and check someone I think we would’ve won as well but that’s a very risky play only someone like me would consider, I think, and it follows the rule that NKs should not give town any info. Killing exo confirmed him and gave credence to the checks. Killing tube, even if exo came up with another check on d4, would have ensured town got no new info as literally no one considered tube scum. Anyway I’m curious to hear others’ opinions there. And sorry Oats & rayn as I singlehandedly threw the game for us
If you don't shoot the town players who will figure out mafia sooner or later you will probably lose. That's it. Not shooting Holyflare ever lost us the game, after N2 there was no chance to do that because it would have lost us the game even more.
I know leaving Vivax alive before the night i was lynched had a chance to win us the game. However i heavily dislike the fact you went completely against the plan we made in the qt (the reason we did NOT shoot Tube instead of Vivax). I just didn't wanna play after that. Please do not do that, it doesn't matter that much if my teammates play good or bad, it destroys the game for me if my team makes a plan everyone approves (regardless if the decision is good or bad) and then you just fuck all over the plan and do something completely different WITHOUT discussing it with your team.
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basically i wasted one and a half week of almost all my free time for someone who is in my team to just fuck me over in the end.
that's how i feel like. i am sorry for my bad play at times but still, that's how i feel like.
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On April 25 2018 08:29 ExO_ wrote:
yeah vivax in obs qt when we knew rayn had to be scum was still on HF,
dude was crazy tunneled
I dont mean to be a dick but do you ever wonder why both of the dudes -- one of you have a red check on -- were not believed to be mafia over you?
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cmon the correct play was to always lynch me or you. :D
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gg HF.
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EPT
