will prolly be sleeping at that time. should have time tomorrow though.
also just resolved the phone issue. turns out you have to put in the sim card the correct way. like the small picture over the sim card slot is depicting.
in your place I would not expect smart posts from me.
On March 20 2018 10:26 Tictock wrote: Ohhh, Free town read to Slam for posting some elctro-swing. One of my fav's too!
Bah gotta post content, trying not to spam.
So far I've only got a few weak town reads, and some sus on Exo, Conversion, and maybe KSC.
Exo and Conv seem to be calling out scum reads just kus they feel like they need to. Either not explaining or posting bad reasons for their scum reads.
KSC just jumping on anything he can, but at least he gave some indications why.
mainly remember ksc for being unchill. not sure if thaz is ai for him. would like exo to explain what vivi pointed out. i have an idea of what conv might be doing, so ill let him do his this before i start complaining.
koshi is impolite fir gtfoing and not saying hi back.
will try rly hard to go to sleep now so i can get 5h of sleep. so np phone posting. probably.
On March 20 2018 16:03 rsoultin wrote: Oh yeah also thought the exo reads were decent, both the tone ones (I think that was mocsta) and the content ones (viva?). I really don't like his posting either. Would take that with a grain of salt though because I don't tend to townread exo like ever. Something about his tone has a habit of pinging me.
yeah, that is kinda my problem here as well. totally misread and ml him in hosts revenge and the liquidmania qualifier I played in.
On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock).
but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post.
Can you please not do this....
mh. not sure who made you my boss, but I guess I could try or something.
hmm... I think I kinda like vivi. At least ExO_ seems like he would like to strangle vivi and when ppl want to strangle vivi he is more likely town.
wish I hadn't such a shitty track record when it comes to reading ExO_ for that matter. I like vivi's posts on ExO_, but I vaguely recall ExO_ being more agreeable as scum?
On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote: I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though.
Was initially a town read for being happy but now not.
On March 21 2018 01:33 Vivax wrote: I have disformation at null. He's sort of helping me with exo by paying attention to the issue but then again if I were mafia with an exo in the spotlight it'd be hard to pretend he doesn't exist.
The noobking post is pretty much summary for the most part but I like his conclusion.
I don't see where ExO wants to strangle me though. I believe we've been civilized so far. That might be something disfo made up. Let's see what he says.
Reading his filter doesn't leave me with a conclusive read, I'd prefer to wait and see what keeps coming.
aight. a shame this is no m13. feel like in a m13 3 votes + ppl already being willing to consolidate on me there would be a really high chance for scum being in there.
hoshi: has done this minimalistic / no fucks given D1 stuff as town before. even got him ml d1 in a game I was in for it. thing that confuses me is that he seemed to have a really good read on me in a recent game. so a bit paraboid, but would not want to lynch atm.
ksc: no idea why that dude is so angry. other than that his filter looks like he is actually trying to figure out the game. though. It is somewhat puzzling to me that he understands koshi's read on me, cause I figured that to be more of a meta thing? hm. actually think he saw something else but similar in my post? *shrugs* gonna call him town for actually trying to figure stuff out.
nk: still has the least explained vote on me. and that is not an easy feat given how detailed the reads/votes of ksc and hoshi are. HF's posts on him also were not bad. decent scum chance I guess. though as conv pointed out, he also is giving no fucks. like wouldn't have scum pulled _some_ excuse to vote me out of their ass by now?
conv: hm. actually fairly locked in on nk for most of his filter. somewhat annoyed at md. think some ppl posted he sounds a bit forced? not really getting that feeling tbh. would feel better if he had more reads than like nk as scum and me as implied scum lean? super lukewarm.
so. if there is scum on me it's prolly nk or maybe conv. full paranoia on koshi if he is alive like d4or something. if all four of them are town imma be somewhat sad.
dinner and then I want to look at exo and his vote on ksc again.
On March 20 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote: I absolutely side with exo on this one. Koshi's post is not a reason and voting with it is bad. Sarcastic quips to belittle exo when he's doing nothing particularly wrong is bad.
+100.
Is Kelscier being a dick alignment indicative? Or is it more of a general state of being?
dunno. from what I've gathered that is generally not typical of KSC.
for the exo on ksc thing: I can see where exo is coming from, esp after ksc agonizes him. I am not so sure I like the last part (in his vote post) which kinda reads like an unflipped association. don't like those. + Show Spoiler [vote post] +
On March 20 2018 21:44 KelsierSC wrote: Koshi quotes then votes in the same post. Huge leap of logic to assume Koshi doesn't like the post that he quoted.
I don't like it either so I voted dis.
If you are fine with the post then don't vote and contribute something else.
I would try and explain in more detail but you have already said you don't read the thread and just try to bury people rather than read their explanations..
The problem I have here is that I don't think this came up organically. I brought up the fact that NK voted Disinfo with Koshi without providing a reason (and I still don't believe quoting one sentence from Disinfo is remotely a good enough reason to vote him without further explanation).
You then provided a potential reason why NK might have voted Disinfo -- I said he didn't provide this reasoning though, and you double down by voting Disinfo yourself.
It feels wrong to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but this makes me think you are scum with NK.
##Vote:KelsierSC
I mean from a town ksc pov: exo brings up nk's vote. KSC looks at it and thinks for some reason my post koshi was referring to is super scummy. not entirely sure what the scum gameplan would be here. idk. maybe I'm just too tired
On March 21 2018 03:38 darthfoley wrote: I feel like rayn hasn't stuck out in this game at all unfortunately.
I have disagreed with rsoultin on like 90% of everything up to this point so
Yup, if you're town one of us is pretty wrong lol >< Why exactly did you ask about KSC if you weren't going to give any credence to a response, though?
Who said I wouldn't give it any credence?
It doesn't appear that you did. I said it's basically AI that KSC is town if anything, and you decided to ignore that and just say you don't agree with me on anything.
So am I to think that this means you didn't want comments on KSC's behavior in regard to his alignment, or am I on auto-mute to you now?
Also, I really don't see how ExO's reason to scumread KSC is in any way good? It's believable to come from town cause almost all bad reasons can come from town, but it kind of clearly is lack of reading comprehension ^^;
Slam is definitely different. That you can't see it isn't really my problem, though if you haven't taken the time to look back over what I'm talking about that will probably annoy me. I can always console myself by telling myself that you could just be scum though lol ><
Problem is, I don't really expect people to get my Slam read. I just think that it's probably right.
Also, tbf, I like rayn's tone and where he's coming from, but I can't help but wonder if my read was hasty after so much silence. That said, I'm going to be stubborn for now and pretend that I have no doubts \o/ He gets busy for work so the silence itself is NAI. It's just that the read was based on early tonal things and I want something more meaty to bite into.
to be super honest. I suck hard at reading slam (and chez for that matter). so I am kinda hoping that sorts itself out. he also posted a nice vid for me. xD nah. in more seriousness: you are talking about his difference to the medic game right? ill take a look at it if I gets the time.
On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working.
Towny Palmar Rso Hf Didform
Not towny Kelsier Noobking Moose
Back to work ask me why if you must
Yeah, you're going to need to explain why lol ><
None of those three you have up there with me are anyone I could confidently call town. (Also not sure how people should be reading me when I'm playing differently.) Disinfo could be town for his Viva read but I don't really see anything else in his filter but waffles and fluff.
I could invent reasons you're scumreading your not town lynch, but I'd much prefer you explain them yourself.
Lunch breakis soon
Palmar - not trolling, i don't want to lymch him Rso - trying to solve game and posting a lot Hf - tone read idk Disform - i like how he caught up like he wanted to get his tjoughts out rather than feign activity. Purely based on last few pages
Kelsier - he's being prickly Noobking - literally spite because of last game and because hf said he is doing his nitpicky shit again Moose - self voters fuck off
Lol >< okay. What about viva? ExO?
that reminds me: wasn't there some meta about palmar playing/not playing d1 or something?
hum. gonna have to retract the + on nk for a least not posting in hard to read wots all the time. also irritated he calls me a great lynch without explaining why (unless i missed that part in a wot). shouldn't town be more interested in pushing/actually lynchibg me? you kinds jave to explain a read for that or make a case or something.
On March 21 2018 17:57 rsoultin wrote: -facedesks-
And this is yet another reason why I say 'ppl probably won't see what I see'. Managing expectations.
If I don't get anyone to talk to me about slam my head might explode ><
Tell me I am not the only one who knows about his chupazi game theory?
well i know that je is using the word chupazi a lot? is the theory the one you mentioned in the point about him thinking mafia wants to usually keep him for endgame or late game? thinking of it i might want to check a game he was in with me. the host revenge one.
On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote: Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.
I guess that implies he looks less like last game now, despite doing the wall post thing?
though I kinda find it funny that nk berates tina for wanting to lynch slam with reasons she thinks other ppl wont get, while he hasn't posted why he wants to lynch myself. With a bunch of imagination I can guess why he might, but i'm going to bitch about it until he posts a reason. also that he says town players should try to get their preferred target lynched, not seeing him exactly doing that either.
i am also in a bad mood cause there is no coffee to be had at work. how the fuck are they expecting me to do anyhting?
@rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally.
but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one?
though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot?
so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or:
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote: So... im in an odd predicament
(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything (2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics: Slam Moosy Ex0/KSC, Koshi/Disfo/n00bking, DF
Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only. Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said. Slam I would still need to meta-dive. DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on. tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything. moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.
Apologies to leave it like this.
Like shit I’m a big topic still.
Consider lynching me like lynching little Blazinghand. I am really actually quite good; I’m just too nervous to ditch the façade just yet. Also, late game I wifom myself to the 5th level so I become easily influenced again.
So I’m a mid game player. Give me the mid game, and I’ll benefit. I really shine when you throw me in at the middle.
But lynching me early is just a waste.
Say I were actually mafia even. Do you really think I am a good day one lynch mafia player? I am shit at pushing a real lynch I actually believe in (read last game! I couldn’t even do it with HF’s dogged help, and he is one of the best!) so what real use am I to a scumteam?
Except to bus. So now, if you’re pushing me as scum? Consider this. As your scummate, (lol), I just took away your ability to bus me without heavily implicating yourself- EVERYONE KNOWS MY POINT IS RIGHT; I AM A GREAT BUSSING TARGET. SO NOW YOU INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. You ask, “lol slam cracked poor guy” in the QT, “how the hell does he think this will implicate us with his flip?”
Here’s the kicker.
Town, if you push me with genuine intent on me being scum, you are a lazy ass and deserve to lose. I am, if not THE least, one of the least influential players on this forum- I SAY BAR NONE, and challenge you to lift my spirits a bit and prove me wrong.
So when I flip town? You deserve to be suspected.
BAM MAFIA GOTTA BACK OFF.
which one is it?
but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous.
rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia.
not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him.
On March 21 2018 22:10 disformation wrote: @rels: when you are back can you explain the nk town read you apparently have? cause i still am not a fan, but fair chance i am biased there.
His big boasting post where he says he's the best mafia player that ever lived is extremely townie.
hmmm... generally not a huge fan of those kinds of posts, but I guess I haven't seen one of those done by scum so far.
On March 21 2018 22:31 disformation wrote: randomly opened up darthfoley's filter. saw him being sassy. made me smile. town(ish) pile.
I have an interesting opinion on this.
Tell me, why did you randomly open df's filter?
i did my small town pile. Opened up page one of this thread to look at the filter/player list, saw his name and thought to myself that i couldnt really remember anything about him so I clicked on the link to his filter.
On March 21 2018 22:31 disformation wrote: randomly opened up darthfoley's filter. saw him being sassy. made me smile. town(ish) pile.
I have an interesting opinion on this.
Tell me, why did you randomly open df's filter?
i did my small town pile. Opened up page one of this thread to look at the filter/player list, saw his name and thought to myself that i couldnt really remember anything about him so I clicked on the link to his filter.
So you just forget who you town read or are you throwing out random names for the hell of it because you're mafia?
hmmm... since i can't remember why I did like him for town I am going to say 1). but it makes me more happy to throw him in my town pile... again =D
On March 21 2018 22:55 disformation wrote: cmon, super easy to forget stuff like that in a 20 player game. -.-
That's not the only reason I gave to scum read you though is it? Just made a whole post about it last page.
yup and unlike the other reasons that post has stuff I can understand and respect. but all i can do to refute that is to try harder to find scum before the deadline.
might need to do a bit of work at work. but will be around at a very least the 3h leading up to deadline and will try to give you some actual reeds.
so. now we have 5 votes on me and at least 2 ppl who mentioned maybe voting for me.
think that is approaching numbers, where I feel like there should be a scummer on there. voters: hoshi, nk, KSC, rayn, HF maybe voters: Conv, RS
hoshi: I think I get his scum read on me better now, since he explained that he initially voted for a small thing, but appears to not be a fan of my other posts. lines up with what hf said I guess. has done/attempted this play style as town a bunch of times before. can be a town lean.
nk: still somewhat pissed that he refuses to explain why he is voting me. outside of that he is looking a bit better by now. not a fan of his style though, still want to stick him somewhere in the scum spectrum of things till he explains that vote.
KSC: still think he is more likely town.
rayn: vote makes sense, but might be a fairly lazy hop onto this train. not a fan of his filter either. no impact no wham. somewhat hesitant cause seems to be busy, but I want to stick him on the scummier side of null or give him a scum lean. Def. lynch if he keeps having no impact.
hf: has the most fleshed out read on me and is not just hopping onto the train. so i like that. didnt do much before, but that is also not outside of his town meta. might be a bit early to call him town though, cause rest of his filter is meh. but def. not the worst passenger on this wagon. also @hf, what happened to:
On March 21 2018 20:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm just gonna scum read the first people that called me town.
rs: not sure why ppl say she is boring/underwhelming? or rather: at least looks like she is trying to figure stuff out. which makes her filter kinda better than hf/koshi/rayn filters? not sure what to think about her willingness to maybe vote me. concession to thread consensus building? @Rels, @HF can you guys point out what exactly is like missing from her filter? is it a meta thing? dont think im seeing it, but i have horrible eye sight. conv: early consolidation comment could have been to hold/create that option for him. also still basically no reads beside nk and kinda me. also a bunch of questions and "i am doing x", but nothing to show. kinda like his tone in some of the posts though. scum lean. so prolly conv or nk, maybe rayn.
On March 22 2018 00:00 disformation wrote: also as per my comment from earlier i'll put slam into the scummier side of null, but i'd still like to look at a scum!slam game.
On March 21 2018 23:59 disformation wrote: so. now we have 5 votes on me and at least 2 ppl who mentioned maybe voting for me.
think that is approaching numbers, where I feel like there should be a scummer on there. voters: hoshi, nk, KSC, rayn, HF maybe voters: Conv, RS
hoshi: I think I get his scum read on me better now, since he explained that he initially voted for a small thing, but appears to not be a fan of my other posts. lines up with what hf said I guess. has done/attempted this play style as town a bunch of times before. can be a town lean.
nk: still somewhat pissed that he refuses to explain why he is voting me. outside of that he is looking a bit better by now. not a fan of his style though, still want to stick him somewhere in the scum spectrum of things till he explains that vote.
KSC: still think he is more likely town.
rayn: vote makes sense, but might be a fairly lazy hop onto this train. not a fan of his filter either. no impact no wham. somewhat hesitant cause seems to be busy, but I want to stick him on the scummier side of null or give him a scum lean. Def. lynch if he keeps having no impact.
hf: has the most fleshed out read on me and is not just hopping onto the train. so i like that. didnt do much before, but that is also not outside of his town meta. might be a bit early to call him town though, cause rest of his filter is meh. but def. not the worst passenger on this wagon. also @hf, what happened to:
On March 21 2018 20:26 Holyflare wrote: I'm just gonna scum read the first people that called me town.
rs: not sure why ppl say she is boring/underwhelming? or rather: at least looks like she is trying to figure stuff out. which makes her filter kinda better than hf/koshi/rayn filters? not sure what to think about her willingness to maybe vote me. concession to thread consensus building? @Rels, @HF can you guys point out what exactly is like missing from her filter? is it a meta thing? dont think im seeing it, but i have horrible eye sight. conv: early consolidation comment could have been to hold/create that option for him. also still basically no reads beside nk and kinda me. also a bunch of questions and "i am doing x", but nothing to show. kinda like his tone in some of the posts though. scum lean. so prolly conv or nk, maybe rayn.
???? I said I was going to filter dive you and exo, and I did exo. don’t misrepresent my posts
mh. aight. should have worded better. your exo thing wasnt really hot. you have a bunch of pros and cons, but I could easily see you pick either side of the fence of that. so you can be like "look im doing stuff".
On March 22 2018 00:00 disformation wrote: also as per my comment from earlier i'll put slam into the scummier side of null, but i'd still like to look at a scum!slam game.
I'd like to know why you think so. I can guess, but it's pretty easy just to state x is closer than to y than z.
hosts revenge: tons of ayyyy lmao, not much coherant sentences. outlaw: more coherance more anger at being scumread.
On March 22 2018 00:36 Holyflare wrote: Disformation why is my filter meh when I'm the one who basically started the NK wagon, who you say you still scum read?
Also, why is it still meh when I've said his posting looks better and you seem to agree? Surely you have "similar" opinions to me so my filter isn't actually meh in the slightest, it's full of everything you are thinking before you think it?
aight I agree with a bunch of your nk stuff. which is why your filter is not bad. but i still think it is somewhat mehish for a hf filter. might need to lower my standards, but *shrugs*. maybe I need to be less paranoid.
but i am town and see koshi, rayn, hf on me. do you remember that game where koshi/plammar/you were scum? paranoia is good.
bah. I forget shit all the time. i think last game i played rayn grilled me super hard for not being able to remember why i've read conversions(?) filter instead of filters i said i would read.
On March 22 2018 01:38 rsoultin wrote: Could be getting white-knighted or just hard mafia-siding in mocsta's pocket again, but I find it unlikely that we keep thinking along the same lines so frequently irt.
HF, is there anyone of Rels/Slam/Palmar that I could convince you to vote for?
Quickly sum up Rels for me — why do you think he should be the vote? just omgus?
I don’t think he’s particularly good looking and think he doesn’t have a good reason to add me into his lynch pile, but evidently has some rep for ignoring day 1. If he was scum he could’ve skirted by without saying anything. What has he said that makes you think by posting he’s scummier than if he just stayed silent?
I just mentioned it again?
His scum list is retarded. He has you, me and Palmar as scum. Which could be fine if it appeared he'd even paused to consider that for two seconds, but it doesn't.
Also, I find it really fucking strange that he has no read on slam but says my vote is bad. And calls me underwhelming. I could understand people doing that before (when I was trying not to spam), and maybe it's my ego talking but I hardly feel like underwhelming and not trying to solve the game are things that anyone can accuse me of at this point.
If you think I'm scum you have to think I'm actively pushing scum objective. Period. Which apparently according to Rels' reads is shitfighting with one scum buddy while calling him town and throwing the other one who's received barely any scrutiny under the bus cause reasons?
@hf
I'm gonna feel like a complete tard if either noob or disinfo are scum, perhaps especially if disinfo is, but this doesn't feel like a thread of panicked scummers to me. Gut says TvT.
@conv
I see something that may be town. Then more that is meh and could easily be scum. And I end up right back at 0 for you. It is what it is.
imo rels is more like "those are the most scummiest persons in isolation". in a "i think there is at least 1 scum in there" kinda way? as implied by bolded here:
On March 21 2018 22:09 rsoultin wrote: I know that reads are not entirely based off association D1, but Rels' lynch list (ignoring the null could lynches)
is literally me/Palmar/ExO
Where I don't think anyone sees this exchange between ExO and myself and thinks oh, that's SvS! And what earthly reason would I have for pinging Palmar out before anyone if we were scum together >< Much less for hey man he feels wrong!
I would at least expect you to think, hey, I'm probably wrong here on something because these people MAKE NO SENSE together. Maybe you still come to the conclusion that people are independently scummy, but it seems like you're just throwing names out there without considering it at all.
I don't expect anyone to have the perfect 3 man team in his first read post D1. So no the fact that your discussion is apparently not SvS (I only skimmed it so I have no opinion on that) wouldn't change my reads individually.
hm. think there is a good chance of hitting scum on my wagoneers. could do slam though. rels is fairly nully still. keep forgetting plammar. bad sign right there.
uhm. faceplammars filter is "interesting". in a way where i have no idea what he is doing in the game, but I am not sure if that is solving the game. like i think he is asking hf about hf's scumread on nk, but that doesnt go anywhere? no idea who he is going to vote on either. yeah, could vote.
hm. think there is a good chance of hitting scum on my wagoneers. could do slam though. rels is fairly nully still. keep forgetting plammar. bad sign right there.
time goes so fast in this m20 stuff.
blaaaah you're still thinking conv/nk might be scum on you i suppose?
i really am beginning to feel like i'm talking into a vacuum. maybe it's time to take a step back and let others play and stop spamming @.@
gonna get some shit done i should have started hours ago instead of continuing to beat my head against a wall. btw, if i read one of your earlier posts correctly, last minute will not be appreciated
well i kinda got 5+2 ppl on me. low chance none is scum. like even if nk is town, scum gotta vote someone. like there are 4-5 of them.
though. aside from the votes on me thing. I might need to reconsider a few things. like slam and palmar might actually look worse than nk and conv.
a lot of ppl are also super not really active. i think ksc and koshi are just happy with the lynch, but i also have a feeling that scum doesnt give a fuck and is just chillin... or afk.
On March 22 2018 03:59 Vivax wrote: So if I pretend ExO can't get lynched today:
Koshi, KSc, rayn, HF, rsoultin are probs mafia. For postgame.
meh. don't think all of koshi, rayn, ksc and hf would be on me if they were scum. maybe two of them. would maybe explain why this game is stale af right now.
On March 22 2018 01:53 disformation wrote: but i am not dead yet and i might or not might have some stuff stuffed up my sleeves.
lol this looks like scum setting up a fakeclaim if needed
nah just plain old town veteran. worst role I can get. and since this is a semi open you guys should prolly lynch me regardless of that if you rly think I am scum. but don't play surprised when I flip nice and blue.
somewhat sad that the first ml on me will prolly be a d1 blue ml. well, will be better for my sleep schedule and productivity at work. sry for sucking at the game I guess.
will try to be around and give you guys some reeds to work with, but in all honesty I am not hugely motivated as things stand.
On March 22 2018 04:47 disformation wrote: I also hate being blue. just as a random fyi.
If you are blue spill it out so I can vote somebody else. I am not lynching any blue claim till I am sure it is mafia. With the back up role I take it mafia doesn't care about losing roles anyway.
On March 22 2018 03:59 Vivax wrote: So if I pretend ExO can't get lynched today:
Koshi, KSc, rayn, HF, rsoultin are probs mafia. For postgame.
meh. don't think all of koshi, rayn, ksc and hf would be on me if they were scum. maybe two of them. would maybe explain why this game is stale af right now.
On March 22 2018 01:53 disformation wrote: but i am not dead yet and i might or not might have some stuff stuffed up my sleeves.
lol this looks like scum setting up a fakeclaim if needed
nah just plain old town veteran. worst role I can get. and since this is a semi open you guys should prolly lynch me regardless of that if you rly think I am scum. but don't play surprised when I flip nice and blue.
somewhat sad that the first ml on me will prolly be a d1 blue ml. well, will be better for my sleep schedule and productivity at work. sry for sucking at the game I guess.
will try to be around and give you guys some reeds to work with, but in all honesty I am not hugely motivated as things stand.
totally forgot about ykl... who has not that much content in his filter. not impossible to be overwhelmed newbie though... Rels and Slam are fairly nully. plammer isn't looking good.
his filter looks like minimal effort stuff. his exo read could have easily gone the other way, e.g. he has some pros and some cons and then somewhat randomly picks a lean. generally very little amount of reads. like only reads are exo, nk and me.
On January 21 2018 08:40 Holyflare wrote: Would like to shoot mocsta 200% though
yea im the vet hf
2 shots pls
Or is there something else ? Cause that is pretty different, in this other game it was clearly a jab, in this current game he's quoting the rules and shit.
I think mocsta is also quoting rules in the linked game, but that seems to be a reference to someone elses claim? wasn't in that game, so context is kinda blurry.
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
*thumbs up*
yo if you are town I'm gonna be somewhat pissed at you. can you at least explain your vote ffs?
I mean, it is okay, I did play fairly bad. bad d1 is not unusual for me and I guess at some point imam gonna get misslynched for my bad day ones, but you could/should at least explain why you vote me/where that read came from. its somewhat annoying.
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote: I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
*thumbs up*
yo if you are town I'm gonna be somewhat pissed at you. can you at least explain your vote ffs?
Koshi, Kelsier and I all voted against you for the same reason. I feel like this has been explained to you repeatedly.
The "thumbs up" is not support for Palmar's vote against you. Rather it mocks the gross inconsistency in the two posts I quoted.
nope you didn't. koshi had a meta read of "helpful disfo is scum". ksc cause I was "softdefending" md. you didn't say jack at all.
On March 22 2018 06:01 n00bKing wrote: Votes are (somewhat) sliding away from myself and Disfo, but that could just end up getting Kelsier into more trouble, which I don't like.
Accusations from the active players are all over the map, with singleton votes against Rels, Mocsta, and Conversion.
With 2 hours left in the Phase, at what point do we consider a strong consolidation on sicklucker? He was just as likely to be scum as anyone else, when the game began. And as I've mentioned previously, an afk player who shows up to the game as scum but can't really be bothered to properly "catch up" has a lot more value to his scum team than an afk town player who shows up and can't be bothered to catch up.
shitty host wifom: there just was a post in the replacement thread by calix.
not sure tbh. I mean, I can see ppl still being weirded out about that vote on me, cause I apparently also am not fully getting it. but the guy looked pretty hard like he was trying to figure shit out.
On March 22 2018 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am probably never changing my vote because disformation dislikes me for my read on him but "likes" HF's read on him when HF's read is exactly what i said about why i scumread disformation (minus the Koshi part).
On March 22 2018 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am probably never changing my vote because disformation dislikes me for my read on him but "likes" HF's read on him when HF's read is exactly what i said about why i scumread disformation (minus the Koshi part).
wasn't that mainly you sheeping hoshi?
oh nvm. you also added that i am "a bland version of town disfo". meh.
but if you are not scum then who the f is scum voting on?
mh still kinda liking the tone of the non rp posts and like his sassiness towards nk. though. dunno about the real content. like I could kinda understand his initial read/reaction to ksc, but is indeed fairly strange that he is on KSC. like if nk is town, then that would be a good wagon to be on as scum. agreeing with ksc on that.
mh mocsta had some mehish first few posts, a somewhat strange tt vote (though I guess that could be to force tt to start doing stuff) and I really don't like the drunk posts. don't mind the stuff in between? hf's points are decent though...
yeah that game is not nice to rl. got too late to work cause of mafia. wasted a ton of work time on it. got home. at. mafia mafia mafia. will collapse at deadline.
*takes deep breath* I think rels being on a shitty solo wagon is more town for him. I think I recall one of the games where he came in close to deadline, voted on a dead wagon, got lynched for it and was town vig. think that was the one with hf/koshi/palmar scum.
On March 22 2018 07:32 disformation wrote: uh. well. I have to admit that the conv wagon going from like 0 to hard on lynch is troubling. so kinda is voting with df.
My wagon came out of nowhere 1 hour before deadline.
Conversion's comes about 45 minutes before EoD. If you're town, and i'm town, and conversion is town, doesn't that make n00bking look pretty scummy?
I swear to god this game is giving me headaches. nks posts got a lot better over the day imo.
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
was about to ask you about moosy? any particular reason for him?
On March 22 2018 07:52 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. i cant believe I might be mislynched here.
umm, dunno what to say. i should have stuck to my post restriction, too much information put into thread, its hard to see what my final position is.
OK, so for clarity. Im really concerned this game that a bunch of non-contributors could lead a wagon. Town really need to stop being selfish and work together around someone.
I think a good core is rsoultin / Rayn / Kelsier.
At least those are 3 of my most trusted reads that are capable of good logic.
If I flip, please trust me that Slam is very unlikely to be scum. It should be sorta simple to filter-dive. I will leave it as that.
I have no reason to doubt Disfo vet claim. I would have preferred he just said blue. but yet, i dont expect him to be a "best play" king either.
OK thats it. Good luck.
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Stop the propaganda Will You are meant to be better than this.
It's not fucking propaganda, you literally just gave 0 scum reads as a "farewell" post. ZERO.
yep. But more than that, rsoul attitude is not solving the game. She's 100% scum. Being mean to the newbie make no sense.
actually that makes me less worried about the df wagon...
On March 22 2018 18:00 Palmar wrote: If you guys could stop calling me mafia that'd be great.
Computer says mafia
On March 22 2018 19:06 Palmar wrote: I actually really like rayn's last quote on noobking. That was a perfectly readable sentence by ykl, but noobking decided to be obtuse about it.
can agree with this though.
since im a free nk for scum if they have strongman, I'll try to play a bit today. So at the very least will be around in the evening (~3-4 h b4 dl).
On March 22 2018 19:39 Palmar wrote: Basically disfo, apologize for being bad, and then go become town jesus. Anything less than town jesus and we'll have to lynch you at some point.
You understand that you've put yourself in a position where you can't be alive in lylo, as you'd be an optimal lynch in that situation. So clear your name or get hanged.
sounds fair. ill give it a shot.
On March 22 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote: Rayn you should read df's cop claim again. This time clicking all the spoilers.
still super confused that slam got so pissed over the rs scum read on him that he stormed off without even voting. like was he ever even in danger of being lynched? don't think so.
On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote: I took kill as shoot night1
Not lynxh day2
While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante.
The tier list of vigilante shots is something like:
1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed) 2) Liars 3) Trash and afkers 4) Active scummy players 5) own face
just out of interest - i know it is not fully applicable this game: but if there are two close wagons and you lynch town, wouldnt it make sense to shoot the counterwagon?
well nk is right. technically there is a possibility for mafia vet. Or town roleblocker. Or a lot of other stuff.
On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote:
Setup
- Semi-open setup. - The following roles can be used and can be of any alignment: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante, Vanilla. - The following roles may be used and can only be of the mafia alignment: Strongman, Backup. - Roles may or may not be X-shot. This will be stated in your role PMs as "X-shot [role]" (e.g., 1-shot Strongman)
honestly: just do what palmar suggested. make me play and proof I am town. If you guys don't think i'm town, lynch me.
warming up to palmar now that he is actually playing. don't think rs is scum. EoD makes me think wrong/tunneled town. Don't think scum would want to stick out like that.
fantastic. 2 no voters. 4 solo voters. pretty shady wagon on rels. moosy all over the things.
random note: there seems to be quite some consensus on nk after all, but basically no votes on him at eod. If he flips scum at some point looking for softbusses on him might be a good idea.
will probably look at the rels voter later when i got more time.
On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote: i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs. i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on.
Relax, buddy. I won't vote you to save myself. I believe you are town and this wagon picking up steam is definitely not pure, so I think town will be able to get mafia out of it.
Am I smoking something or is this literally the first time in the entire game you actually give a read on mocsta?
conv: - does like 1-2 reads a day, making him look like minimal effort scum. was about to say that doesn't seem to mind and just does thing in his own pace, but:
On March 22 2018 22:42 Palmar wrote: although to be fair, conversion is close to being a lurker, he has no memorable interactions I can think of
This is a correct evaluation and where I should be in most people’s minds, IMO.
I will play more seriously now for whatever that counts for.
sounds kinda self aware n stuff. - his reads aren't that exciting. + I do like his tone in a bunch of his other posts. to quote conf town rel for example:
On March 22 2018 05:32 Rels wrote: Oh yeah, I thought his frustration to Moosy was genuine.
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason.
I think this is an awful reason to scumread Moosy. ExO picked the first inconsistency he could find.
And what is it even?
Moosy scum lean cause he wanted setup explained but he /outed earlier because of the amount of players and if he does the first he can't do the latter??? I don't even see the connection between the two sentences.
My theory is if he’s /outing because of number of players he’s probably read the setup. And on a personal note it annoys me how moosy can take the time to post a bunch of filler candy crap, but not read the setup
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason.
I think this is an awful reason to scumread Moosy. ExO picked the first inconsistency he could find.
And what is it even?
Moosy scum lean cause he wanted setup explained but he /outed earlier because of the amount of players and if he does the first he can't do the latter??? I don't even see the connection between the two sentences.
My theory is if he’s /outing because of number of players he’s probably read the setup. And on a personal note it annoys me how moosy can take the time to post a bunch of filler candy crap, but not read the setup
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason.
I think this is an awful reason to scumread Moosy. ExO picked the first inconsistency he could find.
And what is it even?
Moosy scum lean cause he wanted setup explained but he /outed earlier because of the amount of players and if he does the first he can't do the latter??? I don't even see the connection between the two sentences.
My theory is if he’s /outing because of number of players he’s probably read the setup. And on a personal note it annoys me how moosy can take the time to post a bunch of filler candy crap, but not read the setup
/ vote on rels was basically for rels having a questionable tr on him. I think as scum you'd rather lynch ppl that scum read you. timing wise he voted rels just as a lot of ppl were jumping off him onto rels rendering that point kinda nai.
sooo. can still vote and if the quantity/quality of his reads stays this way he is likely scum.
On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote: i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs. i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on.
Relax, buddy. I won't vote you to save myself. I believe you are town and this wagon picking up steam is definitely not pure, so I think town will be able to get mafia out of it.
Am I smoking something or is this literally the first time in the entire game you actually give a read on mocsta?
conv does like 1-2 reads per 24hours.
Sure, but when you're determining who you want to lynch at EoD and tell mocsta hey I'm townreading you bro and it's the first time you've mentioned him? Pretty out of left field for me.
hm did look more at his df and rels reads since he was voting them. but yeah that is kinda the problem with him having like no reads posted. can do whatever he wants ands its super hard to see if that makes sense from his filter/pov or he just pulled it out of thin air.
On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote: Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?
I think there's two approaches here I would consider:
Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead.
Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation.
Not Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.
On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC
At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party).
So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.
Really don’t like this post, not just kus he is suggesting a possible situation where a townVig shoots a townVet but the Vivax read feels pretty off.
Like Vivax’s KSC v Exo being MvM read is almost too weird to be coming from scum, and I feel like he is ignoring a ton of the content Vivax has provided this game.
like game sense or game flow like I kinda think that one of the wagons was indeed scum and that 2-3 ppl on Rels are scum. but its actually fairly hard to figure out which one(s).
that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch? I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob
On March 23 2018 05:38 Conversion wrote: honestly I don't see the necessity of sharing my reads with other people in a list? this is such a terrible reason to scum read me. None of you even bothered asking me what my progression on the game was, and I wanted to play without giving a useless list post. That does not make me mafia.
common. that is not what I've meant. please don't start making list posts.
problem is: when I open your filter to see what your read/opinion on person x is, there is a fairly high chance that I don't find anything. so I have the feeling that you have no opinion/don't care about person x's alignment. which then makes me very confused when you are are like "hey mocsta, bro, u totally town". cause I am not sure why or where that comes from. and you avoiding to post stuff unless directly asked about something is not very trust inspiring.
*sigh* don't think your getting the point. The not voting mocsta thing is indeed more likely town. I am just using the out-of-nowhere tr on him as an example that you could pull whatever reads out of nowhere because you cant be hold accountable cause there is nothing in your filter.
On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote: that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch? I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob
I'm going to filter dive you for it soon, but if you can, can you answer what made you hop off n00bking an hour after you voted him?
On March 22 2018 02:31 disformation wrote: though. aside from the votes on me thing. I might need to reconsider a few things. like slam and palmar might actually look worse than nk and conv.
a lot of ppl are also super not really active. i think ksc and koshi are just happy with the lynch, but i also have a feeling that scum doesnt give a fuck and is just chillin... or afk.
mh. fuck. might actually be a tvt situation.
On March 22 2018 02:45 disformation wrote: aight lemme unvote and think about it a tad more.
On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote: that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch? I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob
Because none of you idiots listened to us. Well not you really because you're mafia but the townspeople.
On March 22 2018 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk what to do because df is voting for rels and disformation is voting for df and one of them is mafia.
On March 23 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh god i fucked up. Should have lynched df.
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote: So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.
Slam is exponentially more useful than Coag. That should give you an indication of what coag does. Doing nothing is overachieving for him.
mh. despite having trouble reading slam i hope he comes back. i guess that means coag plays like this as either alignment?
also what is this emo rayn thing?
On March 23 2018 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still:
On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote: I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names.
Holyflare Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge. Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100% Koshi - townread Palmar - townread rsoultin - townread
rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice. We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think?
sheeping hf, palmar, koshi and rayn sounds like too good to be true... xD inb4 we all should sheep vivi instead.
On March 23 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote: OMG, I'm actually caught up (still not the stuff from D1 though, don't get yer hopes up).
Firstly, can someone who wants to lynch me do me and the rest of the game of giving some reasons?
As far as I can tell right now it's kus HF made that EoN post about me right before he flipped town. For anyone who cares to check HF's scumread on me was like 90% OMGUS kus I was starting to think he could be scum.
But w/e I have thoroughly decided that I am prioritizing RL over this game, and you all are free to lynch me if you want. Prepare to be dissapointed though.
I still think NK has a solid chance of being mafia (I'm noting that he is jumping on thread sentiment on me today and not pushing his own reads still). Palmar also feels like he is playing below his normal hyper-pushy town but keeping himself looking productive enough from being on most people's radar. Slam and the y-dude (keep forgetting what 3 letters are in his name) seem to have mostly stopped posting, though I understand Slam had a fit I should probably read at some point. Ryan is also on my mind as I still feel it was spooky how confident he was Moosy was town early on, and terrible NK wifom.
Those are the people I'm considering scum off the top of my head. Oh and Coag nees to be forced to play kus otherwise what the hell was the point in him replacing? If you offer to replace and still do shit all, you might as well do us the favor of getting yourself modkilled.
I think DF is pretty likely Town now that he fully dropped the RP, I like Conversion's fire. Don't lynch them. I'm definitely warming up more and more to the idea of Rsoul being town as well.
I want to see more from Dis.
@Disformation, can you give me a paragraph or two of where your head is at in this game? When you are awake enough to at least put minimal thought into it.
felt was more like he thought you were defending mocsta, who he thought was very likely scum, a lot and thought that should mocsta be town you would be likely to be scum for tmi n stuff. yeah there could have been some bias, but dont think that was the main reason. that being said you defending mocsta lines up with your d1 read on him, so not sure if i agree with hf here.
think i want tt to finish reading all the stuff and see what he says after that, since most of his actual posts are decent.
i also saw tt's question to me, but lemme look at another post before i do that.
On March 23 2018 10:17 n00bKing wrote: Some talking points for Day 2:
1) ykl - Seems to me to be playing entirely out of fear. He mentioned early on that he's used to scum being more passive, and it's hard to be much more passive than what he has been. There's a lot of timidity and caution in his posts, including the several minutes that rsoul noticed it took him to craft a nothing-post about where he'd placed his vote, when he didn't even seem to have much interest in placing a vote at all.
If he's town, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of being scumread...afraid of making wrong reads...afraid of being mislynched. But he should be very used to making wrong reads as town, and very used to other players making wrong reads too (sometimes even by scumreading him while he's town).
If he's scum, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of screwing up and being caught. I think this is a much bigger motivator of fear, and would rather easily explain the caution, the timidity, the reluctance to take positions and place votes, etc. It also explains his hesitance to get involved in any of my attempts to talk to him, after I quickly identified his nervousness in our early exchange. Could he be town and hiding from me? Yeah, I guess. But it's easier to understand him hiding from me if he's not.
2) Alakaslam - Town players will be wrongfully accused all of the time. His overreaction (there was only one person voting against him) hardly looks justified, to me. I'll ask for some more perspective on it, from people who have seen him play more often than I have. Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as town? Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as scum?
This is a different type of fear-based game than ykl's. Instead of playing scared, it uses our own fear as a weapon against us. Fear that if he's on our team but we keep needling him, he'll continue to take his ball and go home. We'll get nothing from him, as a teammate. No reads, no vote, not even any POSTS. So the only way to derive any value from him will be if we're nice, and stop trying to pressure him. This would make him a bad town teammate at best, but I think the motivation for a scum player to set up circumstances where he can use any sort of pressure as an excuse to refrain from posting and voting are obvious.
3) Coagulation - Posts to say hi, but has no comment on the game. Later returns during N1 to tell us that he has caught up on reading the thread. Still has no comment on the game. Lets the Night Phase expire, but still has no comment on the game.
A scum player may feel no compunction to comment on the game yet, they can most likely just do so on Day 2. But a town player who isn't really being scumread by anyone (no real reason to think the scum team would view him as a high misynch candidate) doesn't know he'll be around on Day 2.
How does this Town player invest ALL the time it took to read the 85-page thread, and then risk the possibility of being killed before he gets to say A WORD about what he thought of that 85-page thread? Unforgivable.
It's considerably worse, if Coagulation is any sort of a decent Town player. That would increase the odds that his thoughts would be carefully read and considered, had he only bothered to post them. And would increase the odds that the Mafia would be content to eliminate him before he gets a chance to participate, if he doesn't post them.
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.
well, what a bunch of coinflips. ykl at least seems new to forum mafia and overwhelmed. can he be both as scum? sure. is there a lot of content to go on: no. would I like to be in lylo with him as things stand: no. so dunno. is there a super good reason to lynch with fire rn: not rly. hope we have a cop or something. slam: dunno not even voting is imo always a bit risky/weird for scum imo. gut feeling also says he is slightly more likely to be town. think ill trust rs on that. she said he is prolly town earlier. coag: plamar was suggesting he always plays like this. don't really know. if so I would like to trade my vest against a vig shot. pure coin flip? would actually like some ppl confirming that he always plays like this. if he doesn't there is actually a good scum chance here. what do you think of fefe @nk?
some reeds: still think rs is town. starting to like plammar more and more since n1. not a huge fan of conv, but i am starting to think that might be a playstyle difference thing, so getting the waffles. don't think he is impossible to be scum, so slight scum lean, but might not be the lynch today. slam, ykl, coag see above. mocsta very probable town. havent see ksc in ages. last time i thought about him he was fairly town. didnt like emo rayn. might be scum if still alive like d4 or something.
On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote: My dying wishes:
If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.
When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.
Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.
Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.
Actually I kinda did like rayn at the end of the df fight. Df seems to falter. Chase up on that.
hmmm...
i still kinda like the tone in a bunch of df's posts. not sure about the content though.
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote: Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?
@Conv
Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?
mh im kinda ignoring his rp thing. guess it is his last few pages. tone. df vs rayn. his stuff on nk and the 1 scum in conv/nk thing.
tbh i always have problems reading into rayn fighting with other ppl. though i guess i just trust in the hf post i quoted earlier.
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote: Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?
@Conv
Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?
mh im kinda ignoring his rp thing. guess it is his last few pages. tone. df vs rayn. his stuff on nk and the 1 scum in conv/nk thing.
tbh i always have problems reading into rayn fighting with other ppl. though i guess i just could trust in the hf post i quoted earlier.
you should be rage-quit inducer instead. @conv: take a break, have smoke/drink/whatever you like and come back. afaik ppl aren't very inclined to lynch you. hell your nk comment made me laugh so i am less inclined to lynch you.
yeah dunno. I mean i've exploded and done dumb shit before. actually now that i think about that i was town both times. but you know, sometimes in a game of mafia, ppl will call you mafia. and yeah it can be super infuriating if you get called scum for what you think are bs reasons, esp when you try hard and are invested. but you gotta step back and think "is that person pants on head town or scum trying to ml me". and if you are town and think the person is pants on head town, then u gotta look for who is the real scummer. or if you are a scummer try to look for someone who looks more bad than you. so stepping back for a bit is fine, but i hope both come back and play more. esp if town.
On March 23 2018 23:28 Conversion wrote: To be fair, that's what I was going to do yet people want to shit on my behavior anyways.
Too-da-loo ~ if I don't get my MK request fulfilled I guess I'll just start breaking rules
come on. dont do this. chill out have a break. come back tomorrow. whatevs.
can tell you from personal experience that you will regret going down this path. like i have nuked myself before and claimed cop (as cop) N1 before. you will feel quite shitty after calming down i promise.
On March 23 2018 23:28 Conversion wrote: To be fair, that's what I was going to do yet people want to shit on my behavior anyways.
Too-da-loo ~ if I don't get my MK request fulfilled I guess I'll just start breaking rules
come on. dont do this. chill out have a break. come back tomorrow. whatevs.
can tell you from personal experience that you will regret going down this path. like i have nuked myself before and claimed cop (as cop) N1 before. you will feel quite shitty after calming down, if you go through with doing stupid shit, i promise.
yeah, it is odd. but lets see what he does when he returns. i had/have the feeling that there was an idea behind that. like he will return with a grand case or something.
but yeah also getting a bit nervous. would expect him to have done something by now.
On March 23 2018 23:43 Palmar wrote: Also, I hate myself, but I went back and checked if Coag's townie seal is genuine, and it is. He's even using the same imgur picture uploaded years ago.
Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia.
On March 23 2018 23:43 Palmar wrote: Also, I hate myself, but I went back and checked if Coag's townie seal is genuine, and it is. He's even using the same imgur picture uploaded years ago.
Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia.
w0t Oo
oh wait. didnt koshi also ahve him as top town for the seal?
On March 23 2018 23:43 Palmar wrote: Also, I hate myself, but I went back and checked if Coag's townie seal is genuine, and it is. He's even using the same imgur picture uploaded years ago.
Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia.
w0t Oo
oh wait. didnt koshi also ahve him as top town for the seal?
On March 23 2018 23:43 Palmar wrote: Also, I hate myself, but I went back and checked if Coag's townie seal is genuine, and it is. He's even using the same imgur picture uploaded years ago.
Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia.
w0t Oo
It's a massive pile of shit.
Coag is a little bit of an asshole. He never actually plays mafia. He barely posts in the games he's in. Years ago he started posting a townie seal to prove his town, and I think he's so far never posted it as mafia.
On March 23 2018 23:43 Palmar wrote: Also, I hate myself, but I went back and checked if Coag's townie seal is genuine, and it is. He's even using the same imgur picture uploaded years ago.
Not sure if it means anything but the guy has been lynched for refusing to post it as mafia.
w0t Oo
oh wait. didnt koshi also ahve him as top town for the seal?
what are big brother bucks and where do i get them? i want one of those seals. i am super amazed.
2nd link says he apparently doesn't always post it as town? probably to mix it up a bit. couldn't that mean he could post it as scum to mix it up even more?
*scratches head* so he is not a coin flip, but a seal flip =D
On March 23 2018 23:18 rsoultin wrote: Regarding DF...I'd say slightly towny on the fight with rayn? But then I just see them both talking past each other and getting frustrated there, so take that with a grain of salt lol ><
What about his comments on NK do you not like?
oh sry did totally miss that you answered. yeah as i said i have a bunch of trouble reading alignments into ppl fighting with rayn. and its the opposite. i don't mind his posts on nk. again something with the tone i guess.
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote: ykl at least seems new to forum mafia and overwhelmed. can he be both as scum? sure. is there a lot of content to go on: no. would I like to be in lylo with him as things stand: no. so dunno. is there a super good reason to lynch with fire rn: not rly. hope we have a cop or something.
Not really what a cop is for. We'd find out whether or not there was a "super good reason to lynch with fire" if he was nailed to the wall and forced to participate, as he would be in games at other sites. Instead we have 7 players who aren't even voting, and of the players who are posting things, some still do not respond to direct questions. Moosy is a great example of this. Makes a bunch of disjointed "If X, then Y" posts (each one different than the last) that all appear to have no basis. And if you ask him for the basis...no answer. Yet some people somehow find the nerve to count him as someone "trying to solve the game." I can't even.
On March 23 2018 21:22 disformation wrote: slam: dunno not even voting is imo always a bit risky/weird for scum imo. gut feeling also says he is slightly more likely to be town. think ill trust rs on that. she said he is prolly town earlier.
What makes not voting riskier for scum than for anyone else? [...]
@cop: dunno I think cop checks into unreadable question marks are decent? but don't listen to me I'm obv not the best blue player. @not voting: usually you get (or can get) modkilled for not voting twice in a row, so in my mind scum at least wants to put down a random vote, since risking the danger of actually getting modkilled later in the game would be super shit for/towards their teammates. yeah it is not 100% especially with more erratic players (think moosy forgot to submit nightactions once e.g.). but imo it is more usually likely to come from super pissed off town. you seem to have made different experiences, so I guess I can understand your pov on this.
On March 24 2018 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regarding this i actually have one thing to say.
darthfoley, since i have completely forgotten what i think your alignment is do you remember who was the guy who said one or both of us have to be mafia? Basically he called the argument between us "forced" but couldn't tell if we are both mafia (which is always the case if an argument is forced). But then he added the "if not both at least one" which is completely bs since if a townie and mafia are arguing and you cannot tell which one of those is mafia then it is equally likely the argument is TvS than that it is TvT.
2nd person to say something like this about df. df is creepy. like he can erase himself from ppls memory. might be a funny idea for some themed game.
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
Pretty big change in stance on Mocsta, with not many posts happening between.
On March 22 2018 07:43 KelsierSC wrote: i dont want like 3 wagons competing with conversions wagon
keep it clean
vote df or conversion of give a real fucking good reason why you are wasting your vote.
Honestly all I read here was pg 5 of KSC's filter and I feel like the dude never gave a shit about how EoD went. Only consistent scumread is DF, but mostly what he was doing was just shouting at everyone and calling them bad, while flip slopping his own reads all over the place.
Solid lynch right here.
hmmm... at least in the moment it felt like he was caring to me. the 3 wagons competing thing, can very well be a consolidating thing. the mocsta kinda flip flop is strange indeed. though I guess that could be read as voting mocsta despite thinking town, cause that would mean conv is scum from a vca point? still not great though.
tbh not sure what to think of ksc atm, since he hasn't posted at all in 2 days. despite being fairly town d1. probably should drop him to like null territory.
@nk: why do you say ticktock would be an excellent lynch, besides the nk post thingie? sry if I should have missed, feel free to quote the right post in that case
On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either: 1) noobking is mafia with lurkers 2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all.
this is true. not sure if I quite get which lynch you are proposing over nk?
lynching into the afks/lurkers feel quite hit or miss to me... though we probably should deal with them at some point. so far it doesn't seem like they are super likely to get productive soon.
On March 24 2018 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either: 1) noobking is mafia with lurkers 2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers
That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all.
Whats so bad about option 1
Totally lines up with my reads this game Pretty much everyone is town
true as well. don't have any real strong scum reads outside of nk atm to be honest.
i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache. might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff.
On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote: i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache. might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff.
Not lazy at all Keep making dem good reads
You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested
rly starts too look like d1 was a load of town wagons... or nearly all town wagons. not 100% on df. so ppl wo didnt give a fuck d1 are way more likely scum imo.
somewhat baffled that tt only now has decided to read my claim n stuff. would think that would be somewhat important to figure out my alignment or something. *shrugs*
On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote: Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh. I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true.
Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike.
I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally.
don't think hoshi did actually read df filter. at the very least there is no follow up. first mention of conv in his filter:
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.
On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote: Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh. I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true.
Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike.
I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally.
don't think hoshi did actually read df filter. at the very least there is no follow up. first mention of conv in his filter:
On March 22 2018 05:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:11 disformation wrote: conv can still be scum, too.
##unvote ##vote conversion
Not the worst idea
and I'm not sure I'm the person he would want to sheep
On March 22 2018 05:14 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.
I am afk and will ninjavote later.
Sweet. Welcome. Agreed that koshi is definitely scum. Do you disagree with our town circle?
Df/mocsta/tt/rayn
Oh and coag. Knew my numbers were off lol ><
hmmm... not 100% on df and tt, but more likely town than like fefe, koshi and plamer I think coag is like... the fuck do I know, lets hope the seal is legit?
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
Claimed vet. Try again
Don't care day 1 claimers are a good policy lynch.
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
can I have a special Palmar tone read on rsoul filter ?
She called you mafia so that's a good thing
not really TBH
No I'm a fan of it. I'm like 30 pages behind but I've read some stuff on my phone and such today and I think I recall you coming into the thread and calling me mafia, then calling her mafia, then assuming she was soft busing me or some utter complete bullshit.
So no, I'm fine with her calling you mafia.
30 pages behind is quite something. is that normal for plammar coming in a eod? fefe:
On March 22 2018 06:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I'll be a bad employee and be following along til deadline so if shenanigans happen I'm in
On March 22 2018 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I think vivax and hf are town and its hard to decide who to sheep
On March 22 2018 07:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Has sl posted? I'd love to lynch him but he always used to go hard as scum
On March 22 2018 07:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd shenanigan btw but if I start it it'll be rng
funnily enough I think this might count as caring for fefe. tt: afk as fuck so hard to tell. koshi:
On March 22 2018 08:13 Koshi wrote: You guys fucked up. RIP Rels.
I take no responsibility.
after the conv vote I already pointed out.
guess from that I think I would like koshi > palmar
lol. read part of moosy's filter. check something. return to moosy's filter.
"wait this makes no sense, I though he was town reading rels." quote post. wait. why is that a mocsta post. why am I reading mocstas filter. why the fuck do I even have a tab with that filter open.
On March 22 2018 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: seeing rels vote mocsta makes me want to kill rells now mmmm
On March 22 2018 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: i may just sheep rels here
On March 22 2018 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: to be honest i'm happy i don't have to worry about rels although i did town read him. And I normally am very good at soul reading rels. Glad to see that hasn't changed.
not sure I quite follow.
moosy was also jumping around a lot, but outside of the rels thing it imo makes sense in a moosy kinda way.
On March 25 2018 23:39 disformation wrote: meanwhile in actual moosy filter:
On March 22 2018 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: seeing rels vote mocsta makes me want to kill rells now mmmm
On March 22 2018 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: i may just sheep rels here
On March 22 2018 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: to be honest i'm happy i don't have to worry about rels although i did town read him. And I normally am very good at soul reading rels. Glad to see that hasn't changed.
not sure I quite follow.
moosy was also jumping around a lot, but outside of the rels thing it imo makes sense in a moosy kinda way.
I have no earthly clue what you're trying to say here. Can you explain it like I'm five?
so I was looking at moosy's eod1. the first two quotes are back to back. he was voting mocsta at the time. so I don't understand how why he wants to vote rels for rels voting mocsta and then is like nah maybe ill sheep him.
then I am like "he is generally jumping around a lot too, but that other stuff kinda makes sense". but I have to add that It kinda makes sense in moosy world. stuff like:
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
On March 25 2018 08:44 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, off-the cuff gut, Palmar/Koshi.
Town koshi isn't shining through. Palmar is playing on the weekend.
Slam might be the third.
Not sure on the fourth. FF can always be scum. Or just not. Cause yeah, how does anyone read FF? I'd advise against going for the low-hanging fruit. Put on y'all's big-boy pants, because if we just lynch players who always look like they could be scum, that's game unless we get the luck of the draw.
Will have to reread everything and see what looks different @.@
If you're town, DF, I need you to pull out all the stops. You and mocsta. If my world is in any way near the truth, we're going to have to do the heavy lifting. And I can't confidently say you're town here, DF. Make my life easier.
Dont even care about the fact all reads here are not actually reads but some idk... just some mindless shouting. Then there is the fact that i am not "wanted to lead the town" and neither am i scum. I am definitely just a lurker or what?
Tina fucked up. Murder scum.
While showing this to Lex I just realized...this post is probably one of the most adorable things you've ever written <3 Sorry I hurt your feelings. It's just, game is really hard when you realize Viva was the rightest town on D1 lol ><
??? Vivax was hard scum on exo and kelsier. Bith town?
nah med scum on exo.
On March 22 2018 06:59 Vivax wrote: So, in rough order of current confidence the mafia guesses are:
High tier:
HF KSC Koshi
Medium tier:
Rsoultin ExO
Low Tier:
Rayn (maybe he's just being bad but that HF townread really doesn't sit right with me, also he didn't start a shitfight with any of the big names yet)
I'm wrong on 1-2 depending on the final amount of mafia. I salute you town.
though... I kinda thought he had plammer in there too.
nah. I was like "well lets say all wagons d1 were town, scum prolly didn't give a flying fuck" so I went through the remaining players d1 to see what they did like eod1. order should be from playerlist? maybe. skipped mocsta cause 99% town. or game is kinda over already. skipped rs cause filter too big.
uh. that reminds me of one game where I was in lylo with a sicklucker who had a 30 page filter or something. daaaaaaaaaaaamn. reading that was such a huge bitch. but it had lots of one liners.
On March 25 2018 23:39 disformation wrote: meanwhile in actual moosy filter:
On March 22 2018 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: seeing rels vote mocsta makes me want to kill rells now mmmm
On March 22 2018 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: i may just sheep rels here
On March 22 2018 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: to be honest i'm happy i don't have to worry about rels although i did town read him. And I normally am very good at soul reading rels. Glad to see that hasn't changed.
not sure I quite follow.
moosy was also jumping around a lot, but outside of the rels thing it imo makes sense in a moosy kinda way.
I have no earthly clue what you're trying to say here. Can you explain it like I'm five?
so I was looking at moosy's eod1. the first two quotes are back to back. he was voting mocsta at the time. so I don't understand how why he wants to vote rels for rels voting mocsta and then is like nah maybe ill sheep him.
then I am like "he is generally jumping around a lot too, but that other stuff kinda makes sense". but I have to add that It kinda makes sense in moosy world. stuff like:
On March 22 2018 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
##Unvote ##Vote: KelsierSC
What about it makes sense in moosy world? ? What you quoted now is OMGUS. Rels is just...what?
On March 25 2018 23:39 disformation wrote: meanwhile in actual moosy filter:
On March 22 2018 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: seeing rels vote mocsta makes me want to kill rells now mmmm
On March 22 2018 07:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: i may just sheep rels here
On March 22 2018 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: to be honest i'm happy i don't have to worry about rels although i did town read him. And I normally am very good at soul reading rels. Glad to see that hasn't changed.
not sure I quite follow.
moosy was also jumping around a lot, but outside of the rels thing it imo makes sense in a moosy kinda way.
I have no earthly clue what you're trying to say here. Can you explain it like I'm five?
so I was looking at moosy's eod1. the first two quotes are back to back. he was voting mocsta at the time. so I don't understand how why he wants to vote rels for rels voting mocsta and then is like nah maybe ill sheep him.
then I am like "he is generally jumping around a lot too, but that other stuff kinda makes sense". but I have to add that It kinda makes sense in moosy world. stuff like:
On March 22 2018 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
##Unvote ##Vote: KelsierSC
What about it makes sense in moosy world?
What you quoted now is OMGUS. Rels is just...what?
like can I generally see moosy play town like this? yes I guess so. is that a strong read? no.
with maybe the exception of this rels thing, which I would like him to explain. because I'm not sure how he goes from wanting to kill rels to wanting to sheep him
On March 26 2018 00:22 disformation wrote: nah. I was like "well lets say all wagons d1 were town, scum prolly didn't give a flying fuck" so I went through the remaining players d1 to see what they did like eod1. order should be from playerlist? maybe. skipped mocsta cause 99% town. or game is kinda over already. skipped rs cause filter too big.
Yeah so...you were reading DF on his being invested in a lynch in which he was the wagon...waffling on that...while simultaneously making your starting assumption that all of the wagons were town...which would include him.
yeah, I am not sure what alignment df has. comes with not being scum you know. but you can look at the game from different angles.
and it let me to realize that palmar and esp. koshi had a super bleh eod1. regardless of df, but especially if df is town.
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote: Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
With Disfo almost confirmed fake-claiming - i.e. mafia.
This summarises succinctly why Palmar is mafia.
I wish i shot him night 1..ffs.
i dont do fake claims.
On March 26 2018 08:15 darthfoley wrote: Meh maybe I just imagined it.
I was fairly sure rsoultin made a post saying basically that she wasn't gonna get lynched in this game. It's driving me crazy because it was the reason I slowly started to drop my scum read on her.
it is impossible to find anything in her filter.
why y'all dismissing the chance that scum shot me? like for the lulz? ...
okay, no. great play RS <3
@koshi: care to post a baby seal, too?
like ignoring me and mocsta that would be: town tracker (with no gf possible) town rb town jk
like town rb and jk is already wtf. add an tracker and you have 3 investigatives. if mocsta is town you have 4 investigatives against 4 mafia.
like you can basically get the whole team n1 and nail them n2. just no.
On March 26 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote: Jk/rb is quite good indeed.
'quite good' so you saying we have: vig/rb/jk/tracker against 4 mafia. what? vet/rb/jk/tracker sounds incredible stupid too without scum having like an army of strongmans and i really dont think mocsta is like a 2 shot strongman fake claiming town vig and holding the 2nd shot. like even 1shot strongman makes no sense with that exo shot. and i really dont think we have 5 blues.
On March 26 2018 19:45 darthfoley wrote: Regardless of what happens, 4 town modkills in one day is something setup can't account for. So I have a very hard time believing we have 4 possible investigative roles in a 16v4 game.
yeah. like lets think worst case: vig shoots scum n1. tracker finds someone with kp or visiting 2 ppl n1 and n2.
like 3 conf scum in 2 nights.
then the jk and rb claim with their stuff and the game is very very likely solved.
also good chance scum looses kp in the process.
like i said only makes "some" sense if scum has like 2 strongman or like a 3 shot strongman... but even that is kinda bs with the rb + jk cause imo they could block strongmans if offensive.
and rb+jk+vet. like how the fuck is scum killing anyone without strongmans...
On March 26 2018 19:43 disformation wrote: wtf kinda game would this be. mods have more kills than the scumteam. town more roles than the scum team ppl.
like man there is no way you are a freaking town rb
I am impressed with how this game played out. Must say.
I wonder if there is any chance we dont vote each other at the end of day. I dont think so.
I am ok with ignoring the possibility you are town and will accept you do the same.
Let's just keep it clean and only focus on gathering votes for the other guy.
Also try to just write facts. Because if we both start shit flinging against it each other it isnt as fun.
yes. i think the chance is abysmal. 5 blues is def at least 1 too many and i think i'll trust mocsta over you.
though you have me at an disadvantage. your filter is small as all hell and i'll be fairly busy tomorrow evening.
On March 26 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote: The fact the strongman is changed into what it is makes it wayyyy believable we have 2 roles like we have.
As the strongman shoots through roleblocks it seems.
rly? thought it only ignored protection/heals... but.. where would those strongmans be? like. only extra kp was mocsta. and i dont think he would use the strongman on mocsta and claim town vigi during the resolution time.
On March 26 2018 19:43 disformation wrote: wtf kinda game would this be. mods have more kills than the scumteam. town more roles than the scum team ppl.
like man there is no way you are a freaking town rb
I am impressed with how this game played out. Must say.
I wonder if there is any chance we dont vote each other at the end of day. I dont think so.
I am ok with ignoring the possibility you are town and will accept you do the same.
Let's just keep it clean and only focus on gathering votes for the other guy.
Also try to just write facts. Because if we both start shit flinging against it each other it isnt as fun.
yes. i think the chance is abysmal. 5 blues is def at least 1 too many and i think i'll trust mocsta over you.
though you have me at an disadvantage. your filter is small as all hell and i'll be fairly busy tomorrow evening.
I disagree friend. Entire game thinks I am mafia and the fact my filter is small made people think I am mafia.
Also. If people come in and dont even entertain I could be town I am just going to roll over tomorrow.
I played quite well with the time I had. Getting lynched is fine as it opens possibilities for when I roll mafia next.
Kinda depends on what TT will flip but I was extremely right in my list post N1.
well. i think most of the game entertain me being scum as well, so touché.
i'll take some time after work and write like a proper case.
On March 26 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote: The fact the strongman is changed into what it is makes it wayyyy believable we have 2 roles like we have.
As the strongman shoots through roleblocks it seems.
rly? thought it only ignored protection/heals... but.. where would those strongmans be? like. only extra kp was mocsta. and i dont think he would use the strongman on mocsta and claim town vigi during the resolution time.
that would be one hell of a play though.
No the strongarm is a role that cant be blocked at all. So each night his kp goes through no matter what. If he is rb or his target failed. He does not give a fuck.
Hahaha if you are mafia I enjoy this little play.
ebwop: "on Exo". obv mocsta wouldn't use his shot on mocsta.
On March 26 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote: And he uses mafia night kp to kill btw. The role kinda "proofs" that we have 2 roles that can rb or safe etc.
holy fuck that role is weird. super used to it being extra kp that only works on blues. which is why i thought i could maybe get them to use that on me if they have it. though. outed vet is prolly a bit of a waste and im not the most dangerous player regardless. was kinda hoping for a greedy free kp shot.
obv nvm since that totally is not how that works here.
like still don't think we have 5 blues. maybe that would make 4 more likely.
maybe i'll humor you and take another look at mocsta later, but given your non existant involvement into the game so far im fairly you are not town. rb + jk also sounds less believable than his vig shot.
On March 26 2018 20:25 disformation wrote: like still don't think we have 5 blues. maybe that would make 4 more likely.
maybe i'll humor you and take another look at mocsta later, but given your non existant involvement into the game so far im fairly sure you are not town. rb + jk also sounds less believable than his vig shot.
On March 26 2018 20:26 Koshi wrote: Oh and possibly shitter mocsta. But I assume he is town. And tbh he was really good till this point. Regardless of alignment. Probably best player ingame.
On March 26 2018 20:27 disformation wrote: like i kinda can see you being a shitter d1 as town!koshi. but i kinda would have expected you to do... like something d2.
Hmm. My d1 is mostly pretty ok. And I just wasnt around d2.
Like I said. My townreads all ended up being town I think. And conversion was town but I assume fefe and df are mafia. So my top was correct and my bottom 2/3
was meant more in like a low volume, low involvement kinda way. like exactly this "here are some reeds, but i dont care if you do something with it or not" thing.
dammit. @koshi: come back and bus me harder, daddy.
/s
On March 26 2018 22:27 Koshi wrote: Well ok. Mocsta is 100% town. So it is Palmar. The mindmeld could have been on town df then. He was a bit more m33k than me replying. Could also be buddies I guess.
Mocsta. Is there a chance you will change your mind? I am ok lynching anybody else xcept me. Just entertain the idea I am town. My d1 was pretty good and you people just made me mafia just based on me not posting.
playing for survival: noted.
On March 26 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote: The fact that IF i am town, I am the roleblpcker. I would never lie about that as town. So mafia might need to kill me based on who we lynch.
We are in lylo anyway. So consider lynching me later. If you say I am 100 % mafia I close this game though. I am not going to play vs a brick wall.
setup wise i think it is more likely you are scum rb or like backup (jk) or something similar going for the last second/day try. your role isnt rly needed anymore since you've got the blues out of the way.
On March 26 2018 21:20 Palmar wrote: Am I missing something, if Koshi is actually town roleblocker, why doesn't he consider the possibility that his roleblocked target (df) was delivering mafia kp and he blocked it?
On March 26 2018 22:49 disformation wrote: hm koshi what about:
On March 26 2018 21:20 Palmar wrote: Am I missing something, if Koshi is actually town roleblocker, why doesn't he consider the possibility that his roleblocked target (df) was delivering mafia kp and he blocked it?
I said something like "I assume it is more likely rsoultin saved mocsta"
It is possible I blocked df.
We will see endgame.
What do you want me to say lol? Maybe I did. Maybe I didnt. I commented on it. But I cant be sure due to jailkeeper.
On March 26 2018 22:55 Mocsta wrote: man.. this game comes down to coag
disgusting actually. literally disgusting.
Like.. ok. i lost one week of my life, i can get over it. but i cant understand why coag even replaced in to not even vote.
should i modkill myself to end the torture?
would not recommend.
On March 26 2018 22:58 Koshi wrote: I also play for survival but it is for town. I just need you people to take a step back and rethink eon1 when ALOT of people townread me for my posting.
My only crime d2 was not posting a lot and it is on you people to scumread me for not posting.
Like... I played a good but not active game. But cant do much against thread sentiment.
meh. thing is: you not doing jack d2, doesnt make you look very trustworthy and setup/mechanics wise your claim looks very not town as swell. but i'll think about it and look at a few filters later.
On March 27 2018 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought Koshi was trying to get shit doen after D1 lynch, regardless of if he was right or wrong it looked like he was actually trying to get shit done.
huh? well, lemme look at his filter again later. dont think he really did anything d2.
On March 27 2018 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you are right also rsoultin is my #2 lynch.
wait wat? didnt you say we know we have a jk? you know which is what rs flipped? what are you smoking? Oo
On March 27 2018 01:03 Palmar wrote: yeah but honestly, if you look at the numbers, there's been no indication that mafia has any extra kp, and I think (I cba doing the math) the game would be mathematically over if we have 5 mafia. So we have 4 mafia and unusually many townies.
I don't know how that is balanced without mocsta being scum. But maybe hosts are just bad at balancing.
OR maybe hosts are next-level and anticipated half of town being full of shitheads who get themselves modkilled, and counted that as mafia kp
best hosts tbh.
yeah i think with 5 mafia it would be 5-5 now and game ogre
On March 27 2018 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is easy, he has been in the thread like all the time commenting on everything thats going on in the game but never does anything with any information.
eh. im voting the ppl i think have the highest chanec of being scum. not sure what else im supposed to do.
On March 27 2018 01:03 Palmar wrote: yeah but honestly, if you look at the numbers, there's been no indication that mafia has any extra kp, and I think (I cba doing the math) the game would be mathematically over if we have 5 mafia. So we have 4 mafia and unusually many townies.
I don't know how that is balanced without mocsta being scum. But maybe hosts are just bad at balancing.
OR maybe hosts are next-level and anticipated half of town being full of shitheads who get themselves modkilled, and counted that as mafia kp
best hosts tbh.
yeah i think with 5 mafia it would be 5-5 now and game ogre
oh shit we're 6v4 not 7v4
yeah of course, then it's guaranteed we have 4 mafia.
yeah which is why 5 blue is super bs. like even 4 is super a stretch, but as rayn said, we have no idea what scum has so. *shrugs* and im still not seeing rb+jk+vet.
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.
I am afk and will ninjavote later.
which implies you don't rly buy the claim. then this happens:
like I guess he was one of the pps you didn't throw a tr on d1, but I am not sure if the suggestion of someone who you apparently don't trust should trigger a "well might as well whatever" kind of response. this is also why I have the feeling you didn't care at all who got lynched d1. maybe because all the options at the time were town regardless.
an other thing I kinda noticed is that it is fairly hard to find possible partners in koshi's filter. so it really would make sense for him to tap out without giving away possible mates.
On March 27 2018 05:51 disformation wrote: now that I think about it. didn't koshi have fefe as super scum n1. without much explanation. and fairly weird. as fefe was super null all game?
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote: Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies.
I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.
Top town 18. Coagulation (town seal) 9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good) 17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made) 4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good) 20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players 15. Palmar (high hopes) 1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way 8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie) 14. disformation (still looks mafia to me) 10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe) 11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town) 5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia 2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.) 12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.) 16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)
On March 23 2018 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote: Just because I have 0 impact doesn't mean I'm mafia what a bullshit read when have i had any impact as town or mafia in like 3 years?
On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best
like could be a softbus, but I kinda agree that the read was fairly weird. also doesn't overly read like mate interaction imo.
On March 27 2018 05:50 disformation wrote: an other thing I kinda noticed is that it is fairly hard to find possible partners in koshi's filter. so it really would make sense for him to tap out without giving away possible mates.
Do you see any issues with my team proposal?
I’m not able to fully explain why I see the association here, but I want to know if I am off base.
Rayn makes sense to me there since he kept posting to sheep Koshi and Vivax last phase. Never explained where that Koshi or really early Moosy read came from.
this:
On March 27 2018 03:29 Tictock wrote: Going off my feels atm, scumteam is prob something like
Koshi/Moosy/Rayn/+1
rayn was super weird earlier and he has fooled me before. so that is possible. not sure if he was blatantly pushing away from koshi if he is in a team with him though. and over all the koshi stuff I totally forgot to check moosy's filter. I also have the bad feeling that we are kinda missing one of the scummers, but I fear that we are not going to find the last one very easily without 1-2 red flips at least. ~~
actually thinking about it a bit. like it is somewhat scary that it is this hard to find the scum. like 6-4. 40% scum. I guess it kinda has to be rayn at that point. so koshi+rayn and at least one of fefe/moosy?
On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote: If I Die Before I Wake
Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.
*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.
(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)
Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.
disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.
FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).
DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.
Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?
quoting the quote for the 100% koshi scum.
On March 27 2018 16:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually wait. Thats a good point. If mafia have 2kp that means mocsta has to be confirmed town. That is if strongman isnt an extra kp and is counted as one of the 2kp
That means koshi/disgo is 50/50 if 5 blue roles is unlikely
yeah, basically. koshi also has a good chance to flip scum outside of that. i had a bunch of points I pointed out and mocsta had a huge posts a few pages back.
On March 27 2018 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: He can be mafia vig but yeah basically you're correct because he isn't mafia.
with that i can agree. imo mocsta flipping between me and koshi looks like town trying to find out who is the best lynch. if he somehow managed to fake that claim as scum vig and play like this he will get many an award for the performance.
generally feeling better on moosy as well. liked his "why the fack are you lynching into the blues" reaction. super worried about rayn deciding to go kinda "hard" now. granted its lylo and he is voted me, so might be bias.
i mean i could look at df again, to see if he might be the 4th. but I'm pretty sure the lynch today has to be me or hoshi... and if you lynch me there is no d4 anyways.
like hoshi is doing the classical "gtfo'ing" to not give any info on team mates away stuff. and its fairly hard to find possible mates in his filter regardless. which is what i totally would not expect from town!koshi. add a bit of manipulation by calling ppl voting him dumb or mafia and i'm still somehwo getting enough votes to be tied with him.
On March 21 2018 20:32 Koshi wrote: 5 mafia would be unbalanced unless town has 3 protection roles so I am assuming 4 mafia.
If there are 5 mafia hosts fucked up. Or should asap change the amount of night kills. So if there are 5 mafia. Contact the hosts that their balance is potentially shit.
Remember mafia has members/2 night kills rounded up. So 4 makes a lot of sense. Calix is probably smart.
Sick prediction for mafia team. Not a scumtell in isolation, but written very much in confidence. Note the only 2 players to speculate with this much confidence is Ksohi + Palmar
On March 22 2018 03:40 Koshi wrote: I really dont want to lynch anybody xcept disformation. All others are ok. And the fact somebody like nk still has r votes on him and I feel like he could get more still is suspicious enough. Well nai for disformation but telling for nk being town.
Mafia played lowkey and made decent posts most likely.
LOL. sick read on NK & last paragraph almost written as matter of fact / tongue-in-cheek.
On March 22 2018 04:47 disformation wrote: I also hate being blue. just as a random fyi.
If you are blue spill it out so I can vote somebody else. I am not lynching any blue claim till I am sure it is mafia. With the back up role I take it mafia doesn't care about losing roles anyway.
For someone that has been so cavalier all game, Koshi is now very explanatory with his unvote. SCUM TELL
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote: My dying wishes:
If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.
When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.
Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.
Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.
TT, fefe, Palmar are good names here. Palmar only on d3 I think.
rayn vs df is a really annoying riddle. I think df is mafia and rayn can be. Even together.
On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote: Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.
Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...
On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote: Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.
This is interesting quote. It could reinforce the town!RB, but Koshi never points this out as a crumb. So doesnt count now. Further, the block on conversino doesnt really line up with his filter progression. yes, conversion is listed as scum; but hes definitely more interested in darthfoley.
Now, rsoultin cannot target the same player twice as JK & KP across the 2 nights is indicative of mafia limited to 2-KP.
Thus I find it very unlikely that she managed to block mafia from delivering KP 2 nights in row; more likely that she blocked a save on night 2, missed on night 1. Again, i think this points out to bullshit from koshi
On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote: DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well.
On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote: Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us...
His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why.
To me, this progression is Koshi baiting DF to shit on Rayn and fan the fires.
On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote: Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh. I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true.
Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike.
I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally.
On March 23 2018 19:14 Koshi wrote: ##vote n00bKing
For somebody who put in effort you are not where the other people are who are putting in effort. You are not where rsoultin, Mocsta, Vivax or HF are. You made a post with 3 scumreads and I didnt feel excited about a single one.
Mistakes were made yesterday.
Overly justified vote
Rest of filter after claim doesnt matter.
+
On March 27 2018 04:20 disformation wrote: yo hoshi what I don't understand about your t1: you were super hard on me super early for that one post. then I claim.
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote: yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not: say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.
I am afk and will ninjavote later.
which implies you don't rly buy the claim. then this happens:
On March 22 2018 05:11 disformation wrote: conv can still be scum, too.
##unvote ##vote conversion
Not the worst idea
and its the first mention of conv in your filter. so I'm like ???
+
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote: Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies.
I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.
Top town 18. Coagulation (town seal) 9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good) 17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made) 4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good) 20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players 15. Palmar (high hopes) 1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way 8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie) 14. disformation (still looks mafia to me) 10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe) 11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town) 5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia 2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.) 12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.) 16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)
On March 23 2018 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote: Just because I have 0 impact doesn't mean I'm mafia what a bullshit read when have i had any impact as town or mafia in like 3 years?
On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best
like i get that @mocsta thinks both koshi and me are scum and i have to admit that i didnt play great this game. like heck last game rayn needed to cop check me to believe I'm town, so maybe i need to rethink my current style of play, but it would suck fairly hard to get ml now.
On March 27 2018 17:48 disformation wrote: like hoshi is doing the classical "gtfo'ing" to not give any info on team mates away stuff. and its fairly hard to find possible mates in his filter regardless. which is what i totally would not expect from town!koshi. add a bit of manipulation by calling ppl voting him dumb or mafia and i'm still somehwo getting enough votes to be tied with him.
i mean i dont expect town!koshi to just gtfo in lylo
like i dunno man. maybe i'm just dumb (as i claimed pregame) and seeing shit cause i can't get over the setup. but like wtf. 5 blues against 4 scum? like no idea what scum has, but it is super unlikely. i'm town, I don't think mocsta is scum.
and if im dumb I am like in decent company. vivi thought you were scum. rs thought you were scum. hf had you as "ok".
On March 27 2018 19:02 Koshi wrote: What the fuck you people did d2 to lynch a CLAIMED BLUE is beyond me. But in the meantime you let yourself get so out of control so you also scumread townies that didnt do anything that pushed mafia agenda or w.e.
That is fucking brilliant
When I am in the thread such bullshit doesnt happen.
sooo... lemme look at the notes on df. - bad/scummy +good/towny / meh/inconclusive
/ somewhat shitstirry, but ksc was legit an ass to him so understandable + liked his eod1 + liked the exo read n1, cause that was similar to my thoughts on exo. - ksc 100% scum cause vivi died? what? small +: like the sassy tone in some posts / a bit too vindictive imo. but somehow that seems to be a town thing, looking at nk and conv... /eod page 10/11 is okay - falls off pretty hard after that content wise / stuff on koshi seems bit meh, but he dug out that qt thing... + liked some posts on rayn
so just tallying up i have more + and / than -. weird thing is that together he didn't do all that much and he kinda falls off after pg10/11, which is why it makes him hard to remember. like just the volume of reads is a bit mehish. but i can also kinda understand him being a bit less motivated after some ppl were very not nice to him.
guess its hard. like he could be the 4th scum, but i am not sure if he is more likely than like fefe. or koshi. or rayn. palmar vs df might be close for the 4th scum.
but looking at his filter gave me an idea and i want to look at something else.
rayn and df were jumping around a lot. less informative on df since he was a wagon at one point. koshi sits first on me all day then switches to conv without much care. well he did a super early vote on plammer. before that. palmar chills on me, cause he hates d1 claimers. tt was legit afk. so hard to tell. fefe and md just sheeping onto mocsta. easy excuse for scum.
in hindsight i wish we would have consolidated better/more d1, as its hard to get a good vca from that.
again. palmar and koshi chilling on a vote. then dunno. dont think all scum would want to sit on nk. so 2-3 scum on nk. 1 off. only two options off nk are fefe and rayn. figures.
generally yes. which could point at MD. good scum knows that though and i wouldnt put it past you or koshi to start a wagon or jump on one early as scum. or rayn for that matter.
On March 27 2018 23:27 Tictock wrote: I don’t have much time till deadline, so you guys are just going to have to trust me on this.
I moved my vote to Moosy to open things up for mafia and the lack of anyone piling on him basically confirms him mafia imo.
Mafia has to lynch a town!Dis here, not only because they need the mislynch, but they literally cannot waste the shots killing him and he will go to LyLo as basically confirmed Town.
maffay afk? town stubborn? but possible and a real good idea. not gonna bother with your filter. but yeah they have to resolve the blue situation in their favour before it becomes clear which one(s) are legit. sucks for us that it is lylo already.
like I guess if it wasn't lylo I would be cool with lynching someone outside of the blues and see what happens in the night. but koshi has the weakest claim, the least fitting role setup wise and there also was a reason he had to claim... so...
and if i'm honest, I am somewhat scared since scum controls 4/10 votes and really hope koshi is just getting bussed fairly hard. would kinda fit with him gtfoing for apparently good now.
On March 28 2018 06:54 disformation wrote: and if i'm honest, I am somewhat scared since scum controls 4/10 votes and really hope koshi is just getting bussed fairly hard. would kinda fit with him gtfoing for apparently good now.
Ok with that in mind let's pretend it's an hour from now and koshi flipped scum. What does that mean to disformation the claimed veteran?
hm not sure? rayn prolly scum for going ham on me today. then 2 in df, palmar, fefe, md. figure out which ones
On March 28 2018 08:15 disformation wrote: I'm actually fairly pissed about mishandling the n2 shit. clear case of me overthinking something so I cant see the proper/good solution.
you did great on n1
ty <3.
just need to work on not panicking/overthinking things I guess.
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote: Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies.
I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.
Top town 18. Coagulation (town seal) 9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good) 17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made) 4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good) 20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players 15. Palmar (high hopes) 1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way 8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie) 14. disformation (still looks mafia to me) 10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe) 11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town) 5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia 2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.) 12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.) 16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)
Still happy but outplayed by mafia team d3. And my bottom was very bad. Why I gained so much heat d2 I still dont understand.
Also dnu why I got so angry after I was doing so good... Oh well. BM is also fun at times.
Tricked by townie seal. Palmar made good posts d1. Rayn made good posts d3. Disfo was a nice guy.
Never would have won with morons like mocsta.
oh btw wtf was that d1 insta scum read about, still don't rly understand it xD
On March 28 2018 08:25 Calix wrote: I'm with Palmar when it comes to this: Lynch D1 claimers. If they're mafia then you're a step closer to winning. If they're town then you lynch them anyway for being shite
I literally told them in my claim to lynch me regardless.
Disfos filter reads like he could use a vacation. It's 20 % complaints about lack concentration, health and sleep which makes it look pretty scummy but no reason to doubt the blue claim at this stage.
On March 28 2018 08:25 Calix wrote: I'm with Palmar when it comes to this: Lynch D1 claimers. If they're mafia then you're a step closer to winning. If they're town then you lynch them anyway for being shite
I can get behind this.
Claiming should never be a hail-mary play to survive if you really are blue. If you are in that situation already you fucked up. If you do find yourself in that situation, you never handle it like noobking did. Claim at least 2 hours before the lynch or so, so that town has a solid chance to re-orient. Claim all info even if it means little.
But then again I almost never claim. If we had continued on I was planning to claim at EoN while checking Mocsta, and even then kus I figured I would be dying and might be my last chance.
Dammit, should have gone with my first instinct in just lynching outside of the blue claims, but nobody jumped on that notion.
yeah. that was actually one of the reasons i claimed so early. last minute claims are really fishy. and yeah you can do big boy plays when you dont claim with all info. but how are ppl gonna trust xou when u give no infos
edit: yo calix whats cbt? google says cock and ball torture. not dure if you meant that, but sounds more enjoyable than this exercise thing my doc keeps recommending.
On March 28 2018 08:25 Calix wrote: I'm with Palmar when it comes to this: Lynch D1 claimers. If they're mafia then you're a step closer to winning. If they're town then you lynch them anyway for being shite
I can get behind this.
Claiming should never be a hail-mary play to survive if you really are blue. If you are in that situation already you fucked up. If you do find yourself in that situation, you never handle it like noobking did. Claim at least 2 hours before the lynch or so, so that town has a solid chance to re-orient. Claim all info even if it means little.
But then again I almost never claim. If we had continued on I was planning to claim at EoN while checking Mocsta, and even then kus I figured I would be dying and might be my last chance.
Dammit, should have gone with my first instinct in just lynching outside of the blue claims, but nobody jumped on that notion.
yeah. that was actually one of the reasons i claimed so early. last minute claims are really fishy. and yeah you can do big boy plays when you dont claim with all info. but how are ppl gonna trust xou when u give no infos
edit: yo calix whats cbt? google says cock and ball torture. not dure if you meant that, but sounds more enjoyable than this exercise thing my doc keeps recommending.
If BDSM's your thing then go for it, lol.
But I actually just meant Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
nah, just hate excercise. though i guess google knows myself better than anyone, so who knows. the therapy thing sense makes much more sense though.
bed for real now. will prolly be around tomorrow to fight withdrawal symptoms.
On March 28 2018 08:25 Tictock wrote: Ok since Moosy brought this up.
Tbh almost all you guys get pretty nasty in these games, and funnily enough you all tend to start shitting on each other for giving each other shit, and in turn are shitty to whoever was a bit shitty first.
My point is that it is just a massive shit fest.
The obv solution is to just start being polite, but that is almost never going to happen.
So maybe you should just reconsider your wording when you feel that urge to call someone stupid or berate a person. If you cannot handle what you are about to say to someone were it being said to you, then you probably shouldn't say it.
Idk, honestly this talk happens more often than not and this always becomes an issue so it's hard to see that attitude changing here.
yeah there was an atmosphere of distrust and yelling at each other in the game that really helped scum imo. esp the distrust stuff.
like i know it can be very emotional and stressful esp as town and ive exploded (once literally) from that before. but try to be nice to each other more. very hard to work together when you are calling each other idiots.
remind me to fetch some old anti-communism propaganda posters and photoshop paint them into "When you cuss each other out the SCUM wins" kinda shit.
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote: Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies.
I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.
Top town 18. Coagulation (town seal) 9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs) 7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good) 17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made) 4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good) 20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players 15. Palmar (high hopes) 1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way 8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie) 14. disformation (still looks mafia to me) 10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe) 11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town) 5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia 2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.) 12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.) 16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)
Still happy but outplayed by mafia team d3. And my bottom was very bad. Why I gained so much heat d2 I still dont understand.
Also dnu why I got so angry after I was doing so good... Oh well. BM is also fun at times.
Tricked by townie seal. Palmar made good posts d1. Rayn made good posts d3. Disfo was a nice guy.
Never would have won with morons like mocsta.
oh btw wtf was that d1 insta scum read about, still don't rly understand it xD
Nonchalant helping thing when it isnt needed is more mafia in my mind.
That pinged me.
It is just after that you did nothing townie. My previous mindset was to keep blue claims alive d1 and figure them out later. But my d1 is mostly my best day. (Most times townreads and PoE, not mafia reads but they are a byproduct)
But again... the townies this game were a bunch of retarded pieces of shit that made it super unpleasant to come back in the thread. Mocsta, df in particular. Why I bothered I dont understand. Never again.
Only mafia was nice to me xcept palmad.
will try to keep that in mind. will also steal palmad for my collection of things i call palmar.
On March 28 2018 10:08 Mocsta wrote: Upon reflection this game makes me sad. Outcome aside, it shows to me that under duress I have barely changed at all in so many years.
There are lots of things I could have done better this game; however, the most disappointing aspect of my play, personally, was the weakness of reads; leading to being called scummy. I do get it, and its on me to improve this, not others.
I play mafia because I enjoy working with teams to solve a larger problem at hand. When half the game is not online when I am, or not giving me active feedback; my default coping mechanism is to inject more. Something I need to erradicate in both mafia and real-life. I actually thought I had got there, which is why I want to verify through a few games this year.
The truth doth hurt
I dont really have feedback for anyone, given how poor my game was. I think my strongest phase was the first 30hrs, which probably aligns with town in general given disformation was a lead wagon.
After that vet claim, the entire thread destabilised and never really recovered.
it is actually hard to change oneself in a significant way imo. like i feel subconsciousness and reflexes to certain kinds of input are really strong and really hard to unlearn.
On March 28 2018 11:18 darthfoley wrote: I think I prefer 13 player games. 20 players just felt like way too much happening all at once tbh. It's a fun change up though
yeah. at some points i was like "why am i doing this to myself". maybe maso after all. =D
and watch the thread. think mocsta just posted some stuff on you... maybe tina changes her opinion again
Uh.. disformation. Aside from not jailing rsoultin why were we even jailing and watching the same guy?
Palmar asked me to change his action to that and I was too busy fucking up the other stuff, so i dindt think much about it. but thanks for pointing out the many mistakes i made that night. mistakes are a good teacher and i dont think ill forget that night for a long time.
also thanks for the carry you played really well imo.
On March 28 2018 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill.
nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk.
On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote: If I Die Before I Wake
Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.
*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.
(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)
Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.
disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.
FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).
DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.
Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?
still somewhat pissed about that. like the possibility of town lying about a read does not exist in my head. another thing to learn from this game i guess.
On March 28 2018 14:48 rsoultin wrote: trying to figure out how to crumb well enough that people can find them but not so overtly that you give mafia a ton of information before you flip is hard @.@
i'm not a good blue player
at least this time i didn't claim d2 thinking missing kp meant i'd jk'd scum without pausing to think about the other scenarios, and then my lovely friend who always scumreads me (ExO) who was an alignment cop, outs to say i'm godfather because his town result was colored green and not blue. i saw it coming (not the last bit, just the lead up to the role reveal) and was like, no, no, they have a framer stop ;o; now two blues will have claimed for nothing. but it was even sillier lol ><
incidentally palmar and sl were scum there and won that game too lol ><
Lol. hey, you did something absolutely right n2 to keep the game going, so well done!
dont beat yaself up.. hey.. im the guy that genuinely thought mafia could only be strongman or backup and outed myself. i never recovered from that - at least thats my excuse this game
I was hoping our first town-town game would have resulted in at least one successful lynch
lol it might have...this game was weird in many ways @.@ bad reads don't help \o/
you're super fun to play with though so I hope you keep playing
i also really enjoy playing with df? don't want to get that convo started again but yeah, just putting that out there
then again joni is a good friend and i've never minded ksc so maybe i'm just jaded lol
Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though. Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it.
yeah i always tank my sleep schedule and productivity at work when playing mafia.
On March 28 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote: Sad I had a good disfo case. What's with all these "normals" and crazy roles? :p
a lot of ppl had a lot of good points on me. surprised i just didnt get lunched regardless of claim.
On March 28 2018 18:03 disformation wrote: nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk.
I am pretty sure she was doc or jk wayyy early on D2.
mh? in qt /m131 by palmar
To be fair, and I'm risking being too optimistic here... rsoultin is probably a doc or a jk. She doesn't talk much about rayn, but I think she townread him throughout the game.
like right after night actions resolved /m145 by palmar
rsoultin confirmed not cop or tracker or role cop.
So, it looks like we found a doc or a jk or perhaps a watcher (in which case she'll know I visited rayn).
In any case, we need to kill her, she's a blue.
/m148 and /m147 by you:
I think #1891 is a doc/JK crumb.
Also yeah rsoultin is never an investigative role. There is no way she has any sort of result in me and does not talk about me more.Edited 03-23-2018 05:18 AM
so maybe you knew a bit earlier, but didnt post right away in qt, but i'd say it is a tie between you and palmar
fair enough. i also understand that you are not very pleased with the n2 actions i did. not very happy myself. sry i made you play for another day phase.
aight fair enough. prolly more annoyed at myself for not thinking straight and getting played by rs lying bout the plamar read.
like either should have made coag or myself carry the shot or go for block rs and shoot mocsta/whoever. both options would have been better than what i did. i do not like making mistakes. xD