[M] Classic Mafia

On March 18 2018 11:05 disformation wrote:
is it time to start with the pregame excuses yet?

On March 20 2018 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
I scum read kelsier for actually giving a shit

On March 20 2018 08:57 Vivax wrote:


I think this is an awful reason to scumread Moosy. ExO picked the first inconsistency he could find.

And what is it even?

Moosy scum lean cause he wanted setup explained but he /outed earlier because of the amount of players and if he does the first he can't do the latter??? I don't even see the connection between the two sentences.

On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is?
I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything.

On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:



point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far.

point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts.

On March 20 2018 10:06 Koshi wrote:

##vote disformation

It's ok. You tried.

On March 20 2018 11:04 Vivax wrote:


?????????

What a contrived way of saying nothing

On March 20 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote:
And you still didn't explain why what you said makes moosy mafia.

Cause it doesn't and you also have no clue how you got to say that.

On March 20 2018 11:22 Vivax wrote:


And how does that further your goal of finding scum if that can be said for anyone else in the game? IE he's town or mafia. That much is obvious. Anyone is town or mafia. The addendums you just put there don't change the fact that it's a completely pointless statement to make?

On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post.

Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either:
1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or
2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again.

On March 20 2018 17:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I caught up.

I am going to change my opinion of Mocsta, his first posts were pretty pointless but he has added some decent content. He made a good point about exo just after I had posted it and went ot bed so we were thinking on the same lines, his post about noobking appearing just to defend and I really like the scum read on ticktock.

For ticktock I have a few questions. You accused me of jumping on everything can you say what I jumped on exactly and which of those were bad reads? as for ticktock making his push on exo. It has the feeling of trying to get on a bandwagon, like there were some good things against exo but it was like he jumped on a post and tried to paint it scummy when it wasn't actually that bad.

For exo himself, I do have a scum lean I guess I would want to know if his read on me has changed. Some of exo's posts seem plausible like his defence of his moosy read was possibly ok..im rambling on this.

I want to read the noobkin, conversion, rayn hf stuff again because it feels important and I want to understand it, posting this to get my ideas out.

Oh and I don't like Slam but can't say anymoer than "feels"

want to ask vivax on how he feels about ticktock and NK

On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,

mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test

On March 20 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around.

On March 20 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay let's makje it very simple, if what you say is true why do you after reading this:

post this:

especially since you say:



And now you said you associated Kelsier's post with the Mocsta thing? The logical conclusion for you to make is to assume his "good point" refers to the Kelsier/Holyflare thing but instead you now say you associated it it with the Mocsta thing which you said you didn't earlier.

uh oh...

On March 20 2018 19:00 KelsierSC wrote:


I am so confused

What is the order of events. You saw I had made a post saying rayn's idea was good (referring to his HF post) and that mocsta was scummy.

However you thought I was trying to say that rayn had made a point about mocsta being scum.

This was despite the conversation rayn and I had in the thread immediately after these posts where I clarified my point.
This was also after you reread rayn's filter which contains posts about hf and his conversation with me.
Furthermore you were after context about HF's read on me which is what rayn was talking about. I don't know how you missed it.

What did you think his "not true tho" comment is referring to?



Can you just break down what was going through your brain because I just want to call you scum here and be done with it.

On March 20 2018 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi

On March 20 2018 17:39 KelsierSC wrote:

For exo himself, I do have a scum lean I guess I would want to know if his read on me has changed. Some of exo's posts seem plausible like his defence of his moosy read was possibly ok..im rambling on this.

On March 20 2018 20:31 Palmar wrote:
To clarify, I agree that the read by exo is stupid and shouldn't be made. I also agree with noobking (and hf?) that exo's read doesn't directly push any mafia agenda.

Aka, Exo might very well be mafia, but that read is at best a mistake then, it's not some kind of a slam dunk case that he must be. Townies are more prone to do stupid shit than mafia.

Like I don't hate ticktock's vote, i'm fine with some pressure on Exo

On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote:
I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.

I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.

I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.

##Vote: disformation

More votes on ykl would also be a good thing.

On March 20 2018 21:07 KelsierSC wrote:


disinfo soft defending moosy early on. I can understand that scum read.

I could lynch disinformation 100%

On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:


he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis.

On March 20 2018 21:19 KelsierSC wrote:


I was being facetious with the scum/VT comment.

I looked at koshi's vote with the quote above it and decided I could lynch dis for that.

I have no opinion on koshi but I like the vote.

##Vote: disinformation

On March 20 2018 21:30 KelsierSC wrote:


koshi did offer a reason for voting him. it's in the quote.

I already said I was being facetious I am offering no "defence" for NK. I just like koshi's reason. I assume NK did too.

I can see you are not reading "super closely" again.

but yeh keep calling stuff weird and being baffled. really helpful.

On March 20 2018 10:06 Koshi wrote:

##vote disformation

It's ok. You tried.

On March 20 2018 21:35 KelsierSC wrote:


ok then don't vote and talk about something else.

Honestly you are either scum or town with zero reading comprehension so you aren't that important.

On March 20 2018 21:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Koshi quotes then votes in the same post. Huge leap of logic to assume Koshi doesn't like the post that he quoted.

I don't like it either so I voted dis.

If you are fine with the post then don't vote and contribute something else.

I would try and explain in more detail but you have already said you don't read the thread and just try to bury people rather than read their explanations..

On March 20 2018 22:21 Vivax wrote:
Some thoughts I feel like sharing in inconclusive post manner.

- Almost purely tonally TT and NK look town to me.

- rsoultin hasn't been pestering anyone and might be mafia for it.

- Did anyone hijack Kelsiers account? Don't even want to decide what he is as long as he keeps posting.

- Koshi probably town for not giving a shit so far, will have confirmation when the town Koshi trademark posts start to pour in.

- ykl very diplomatic, could come from mafia, currently stuck deciding whether he's just catering to the people he answers to. However his filter leads me to Mocstas for this reason:

+ Show Spoiler +

I think it's odd here that Mocsta pays attention to the TMI element in the #232 post he links in the nested quote and emphasizes it when ykl said he doesn't think either are scum already which implies that there is at least a null read,

I also didn't like Mocstas post on TT. It was cute style-wise but also read like plain rhetoric without much substance cause the entire point was to ping TT for the sole reason that he hadn't been pinged yet.

I'd have found the part more interesting where he says:



Bolded is pretty much an example of a"let me go and look for something to write about on the go" mindset, but in a natural way. I think this particular case comes from town cause he's so brazen about it. Scum does it more accidentally.

To have the post actually end conclusively though, I need to point out something else and why I still think we should lynch ExO:



I believe it's a very mafia thing to do to point at what the guy pressuring you isn't doing while he is busy with you, cause it's a way of getting rid of pressure by trying to play it back to him based on the posting quantity of said person.

On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.

This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.

Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.

On March 21 2018 15:23 Vivax wrote:
I'm currently thinking mafia are rsoultin, HF, ExO. HF read largely depending on NKs flip if we get that but I suspect shenannies today.

Fefe and Palmar are kind of my lower tier suspects . Disfo and rayn nullish and kind of reserved to be looked at later. Didn't look at much of what df has posted so far so got to keep him null for now. Skimming him makes me think he might be doing the rp thingy to conceal a lack of passion in his posts which is what sticks out to me on the go, but I'm also going to hedge on this one for now.

That's pretty much it when I disregard SL and Rels. I also might be being too generous with not considering Koshi and Moosy but I don't really see a benefit for them in playing like they do if they are mafia which is rather feather ruffling.

I don't usually mention that many big names on a D1 for suspects but when it's so many of them I almost have no choice if I want to tell everyone where my head is at.

I will only be casing ExO among them today though, maybe FF as well. I explained what made me suspicious of rso already and in regards to HF it's pretty much about the way he's going after NK. Should he flip town at some point I'll start casing HF, if NK flips mafia I can abandon that suspicion for a good while.

On March 21 2018 20:19 Vivax wrote:
And I don't like that your post is basically begging me to unscumread you. I don't hate you ExO I just think you are mafia and I have to lynch mafia to play the game. So please stop giving me a guilty conscience.

On March 21 2018 20:25 rsoultin wrote:
yeah i'm not scum @.@

and 'calling me out' has nothing to do with how my reads progress

i think you're town, exo. and you're frankly shit at reading me. so i'd appreciate it if you gave this read of yours the doubt it deserves. it's pretty irritating when someone is this certain i'm scum every game and is this constantly wrong, but never seems to adjust his behavior

@ rayn, yeah idk. i'm not sure on disinfo at all, just would be more comfortable lynching into my five. and the comment about wanting to talk about slam had more to do with my wanting to not lynch him than that making him town lol >< selfishness

On March 21 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:
@NK, don't agree on conv, but your slam point is solid.

@KSC...I still don't remember reading his filter. Would have to check the filters of the people voting him. Which I'll probably do, but honestly I don't want to lynch him anyway because:

- viva read feels genuine to me <- this was my hesitance earlier
- focus on finding scum in those scumreading him feels super natural from town
- he's actually trying to engage me on slam <- entirely selfish reason

Removing disinfo from the lynch pool

On March 21 2018 20:41 Vivax wrote:
I'd lynch kelsier and ff as alternative to exo.
FF cause he marginally looks like he doesn't want to be seen doing nothing, since he posted lists.

On March 21 2018 20:56 rsoultin wrote:


I didn't say that lol ><

Palmar, and I've already explained.

On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.

On March 21 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:


Yes, this is what I said lol.

I mean, the point is I didn't find anything super scummy about noob I just found his posts boring?

That's a far cry from saying I'm voting him because I don't think he's scum and I'm bored.

I'm not sure how to make this clearer to you.

Other people say he's scummy for doing the thing he did last game.

I say I don't really see anything glaringly scummy, and it's not actually that close to what happened last game. But his posts are boring. I.e. could be scum.

Do you not understand why boring posts could yield scum? It means a player isn't going anywhere or saying anything interesting...i.e. blending, possibly having trouble scumhunting.

On March 21 2018 21:27 rsoultin wrote:

Your opiniion is wrong I know what I said. And I wasn't looking to lynch 'boring town'

You are taking qualifiers and using them as absolutes.

He is not the scummiest scum who ever scummed =/= he is not scummy.

I don't know how to teach you reading comprehension. And I don't have much nice to say. Like, I know for a fact that I have probably some of the best reading comprehension in the States, at least out of those who bother to apply for graduate programs. Highest percentile.

I don't actually KNOW what people should be able to comprehend and shouldn't. But my instinctive response to this is to call you bad for not being able to read.

But if you want to put a vote on me or call me scum based off not understanding English and choosing to interpret it differently than it was written, I can't stop you. And I don't think you're scum, so whatever.

This is pointless.

Once you have an actual reason to scumread me, I might address it. Otherwise -shoos-

On March 21 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:


Can you point to where you found vivax Scum hunting? Maybe my lenses are clouded here, but it looks to me like he hasn't done a lot of this. Again, it looks to me like he's tunneled me without really even analyzing my posts, and outside of that not scum hunted at all.

On March 22 2018 01:38 rsoultin wrote:
Could be getting white-knighted or just hard mafia-siding in mocsta's pocket again, but I find it unlikely that we keep thinking along the same lines so frequently irt.

HF, is there anyone of Rels/Slam/Palmar that I could convince you to vote for?

On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?

On March 22 2018 22:18 rsoultin wrote:
ExO, explain your read on df please. I can't find a read on him in your filter anywhere, so if you have made one and I'm just being a tard with ctrl+f, if you could quote it that would be great.

(god, i'm a dip lol >< didn't even see that second spoiler from df in the moment)

On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:


There's no such thing as mafia veteran.

On March 22 2018 23:03 rsoultin wrote:


I'm glad that you've realized that I can only literally be two alignments this game. I will admit that my push on Rels was pretty bad, because it was mostly emotional and I probably should have let that go in favor of a lynch I could be more objective about.

I'm going to ignore the part where you said I might be scum only for effort and post count as the obvious writing mistake it was.

So, why was DF more of a slight townread to you than Rels when practically all that Rels was doing was calling me scum/a good lynch?

On March 23 2018 02:27 rsoultin wrote:
You'd think my question wouldn't be particularly hard to answer.