[M] Classic Mafia - Page 14

On March 24 2018 05:50 rsoultin wrote:
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Needs review
darthfoley - tonally i'm finding him more townish since EoD1/N1. need to really look into the arguments and discuss with rayn
ksc - felt he was town early D1 and never really gave him a hard look. even the read through I didn't get too far in. could be wrong here
tt- seem to remember he made okayish posts, but i'm having trouble placing him in this game. not a good sign

Fuck if I know
ykl - liked his early tone. could be overwhelmed as town. could be floating under the radar, though
FF - a bit more on the scummy side of null. says i'm scum but he'll sheep onto the wagon that i'm voting on

Very likely scum
N00b - would rather argue about how valuable he is to town than try to be valuable to town

Flipping anyway
Conversion

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I'm going to focus on the bottom 7 tomorrow (excluding conv of course), and I'll also discuss any townreads that others want lynched.

Probably be on around noonish CET? Maybe a little earlier

On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.

##Vote: Tictock

On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)

On March 23 2018 08:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
I honestly don't think I'll be trying too hard so if i have to die to solve the game go for it.

Also i guess it does make sense that mocsta should be called town for now. I'll switch to ticktok

On March 25 2018 04:54 Fecalfeast wrote:

I am voting TT

On March 25 2018 04:55 rsoultin wrote:


Sure. But that's not what I was asking. Why would you sheep onto noobking?

On March 25 2018 05:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
I can cry about how i should have outed when the game filled up past my slot but i'm here now right

Give me someone to filter and i'll make a read you get one free ticket

On March 25 2018 06:16 n00bKing wrote:

I said I am not interested in lynching him today. Can't see why I would say more, when he is not a critical topic for discussion atm.

On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:

Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and
I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet).

Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol

I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time."

And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to.

On March 25 2018 06:51 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!)
I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal.
That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.)
Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast.
Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway.
Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice.

On March 25 2018 06:58 Mocsta wrote:
Tina

Did nk ever get back to u on ?slam?

Thete was sometjing he suggssted you remind him of?

On March 25 2018 07:03 n00bKing wrote:

#1 - Good. The more it looked that way, the better.
#2 - Good. Already explained.
#3 - FALSE. There could be no such thing as a "counterwagon" to me at the time I placed the vote. I had zero votes cast against me, and had no reason to suspect I might BE a wagon on Day 2.

Because I don't suffer from the same "diarrhea of the mouth" problem as so many other players here. I don't make the mistake of throwing around information about which surviving players I have "slightly above null" vs. which ones are "townleans" vs. which ones are hard "townreads." I'm not interested in lynching him on Day 2. 'nuff said.

On March 25 2018 07:07 rsoultin wrote:


I'm gonna be frank with you. The last player who made this assertion was scum by a mile. And the scum motivation for keeping reads close to the chest, especially during the day phase, is also blindingly obvious. If you've stated this mindset of yours before, I suggest you link the game/post to me, because I've got less than an hour to poke into that and I can't guarantee I'd find it.

Also, fair regarding the vote @.@ I'm a numbnuts.

On March 25 2018 07:15 n00bKing wrote:

Maybe this will help.

On March 25 2018 07:20 n00bKing wrote:

I don't really agree. It depends on other factors too.

Oh, and on that note, I'm a blue role.