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On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean?
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On March 12 2018 05:38 Holyflare wrote: Every medic heal a different person please. Noobking is incapable of doing anything with respect to following his own plan he keeps needlessly touting. Has he coordinated anything? Nope. Not at all. Nobody is convinced on me, nobody wants to lynch moosy. His plan right now is to get df to heal me so he can get a free kill on me and hope ff/vivax heal someone different and he nks someone else.
Let me just reiterate IN THE CURRENT PATH YOU ARE TAKING YOU COULD END UP KILLING THREE SEPARATE PEOPLE AND 2 OF THOSE WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TOWN.
EITHER COME TO A CONSENSUS OR HEAL SEPARATE TARGETS. EVERYTHING I'm doing is to try and generate that consensus, including shouting down each of your asinine "let's help the mafia, guys!" suggestions. Didn't I just ask Vivax about how anything you're doing could be perceived as helpful? That's so I can try to get him to join me in killing you. I'm coordinating with Fecalfeast all I can at the moment, he's NOT HERE. DF asked who I wanted to die, I told him. What more could I be doing to coordinate the medics?
You talk about how the current path could result in 3 deaths, 2 sure to be town. I'm not advocating the current path though, am I? I've already agreed that splitting the kills is bad. And YOUR first suggestion for how to handle the night phase would likely also have ended in 3 deaths, ALL of them town. NO ONE has had an idea worse than yours.
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On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid.
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On March 12 2018 05:43 darthfoley wrote: And i've been down for a Slam kill as I've said. Don't love it (obviously), but whatever. I guess we can hope.
Vivax, are you on board? FF (if you show up) are you on board?
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On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics.
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On March 12 2018 05:58 Vivax wrote: I could pull out the posts from FF as well if you like.
You deserve to be killed for that post moosy.
Who's on board? That's how he's played the entire game. I'll kill him anyway though, obviously.
DF, thoughts on Moosy?
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On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before?
Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about?
On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote: At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false?
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On March 12 2018 06:03 Vivax wrote: But yeah I'm retracting my aciton on Koshi.
I think the other medic claims should take a look at moosy or sell me another target that isn't HF since if we aren't doing Moosy tonight I'm going to flip a coin between two targets at my discretion. Why a target "that isn't HF?" Are you just coming right out and saying you're the teammate? Nearly one hundred percent of his posts in this phase have been counterproductive, hindering the town's objective. Why do you not want to kill him?
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On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote: HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic. He's only "right" about that because other players badgered him into admitting that his original suggestion was horrendous. It appears you're right about the deadline, so explain why letting mafia kill one person and forfeiting the vig shot is beneficial to us. We apparently have time to listen.
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On March 12 2018 06:09 darthfoley wrote: n00bking what do you want to do considering HF is not happening? Hf should totally happen.
Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam
If we can't get consensus on one of those, I would listen to an alternative plan of action, ahead of us all ganging up on Koshi or rsoul, because those ideas are ridiculous.
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On March 12 2018 06:18 darthfoley wrote: Wait so when are actions due then? rsoul is right, the deadline for actions is still more than an hour away. Look at the post for the start of Night 2, and you can see how much time is left in the phase, and that it did not change with daylight savings time.
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On March 12 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote: A full vt game is the most perfect game you can get you pleb. Who gives a shit if they kill rsoul and nobody else? That's just gravy. And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before? Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about? On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote: At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false? Df and noobking healing hf. Vivax and ff healing koshi. None of that looks like df proposing a unanimous kill on slam I'm afraid. lol, DF has been talking about killing slam since the phase STARTED. His FIRST post in N2 says he's fine vig'ing Slam tonight.
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On March 12 2018 06:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:06 rsoultin wrote: HF is right that if we can't get to a consensus on who to nk that's 3 deaths instead of 2, and his proposal at least minimizes the hemorraghing. I actually like it, because I think the best way for mafia to play is to just kill one person if they don't want to confirm a medic. He's only "right" about that because other players badgered him into admitting that his original suggestion was horrendous. It appears you're right about the deadline, so explain why letting mafia kill one person and forfeiting the vig shot is beneficial to us. We apparently have time to listen. He's right that medics spilt onto two targets equals three deaths. Then we just hope one of those is the mafia in the claimed VT's. Otherwise it's already mylo tomorrow. I prefer consolidation on one target. His plan is better than what was happening, is the point. He's right that medics split onto two targets equals three deaths....yes, and that was HIS idea, to split onto two targets, remember? lol
Only when myself and others badgered him into admitting how awful his plan was, did he admit that splitting the kills is bad. He's "right" about the thing everyone else had already said. "What was happening" wasn't actually going to happen, we just hadn't decided "what was going to happen" yet.
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On March 12 2018 06:26 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:22 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2018 06:21 darthfoley wrote:On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 darthfoley wrote: n00bking what do you want to do considering HF is not happening? Hf should totally happen. Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam If we can't get consensus on one of those, I would listen to an alternative plan of action, ahead of us all ganging up on Koshi or rsoul, because those ideas are ridiculous. Well, HF is not going to happen so I guess you need to kill Moosy ??? If that's your attitude why not do it yourself? Because he is the one that said Moosy is his second choice behind a first choice that is 100% not happening today Why is that 100% not happening today? If FF shows up and says he's down for killing HF with me, would you resist that plan?
Because this already happened:
On March 11 2018 13:02 Fecalfeast wrote: I wanna heal hf
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On March 12 2018 06:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 06:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:49 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 05:42 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 05:40 n00bKing wrote: [quote] And what is "most perfect" supposed to mean? The game I want to play and should have been hosted instead of this travesty. Long as you admit it doesn't mean "most town-favored." Lots of setups are more town-favored than a full vanilla game. Like THIS one. ESPECIALLY if we follow the plan from the mass claim. So stop trying to turn THIS game into a full vanilla game, instead of one that favors the town. I'm NOT stupid. Semantics Semantics Semantics Come to a unanimous decision. Pointing out the FACT that you are actively trying to reduce the town's win % is NOT semantics. You have a chip on your shoulder and you're arguing with your mafia read. If I am mafia it is my exact goal to find the most favorable setup for mafia to win. I think not getting people killed and maximising that ability should be my ultimate goal. None of this factors into anything you say. You literally just spent three pages quoting my posts and contradicting what they say just to say "oh that's not the MOST town favoured it's what favours you the most!" Not once did you call me mafia for pushing this mafia strategy or anything. It is in fact semantics you are arguing. The minutiae about a plan and correcting it instead of using it as ammo to further your case is what makes me think you're very much mafia. Of course I'm arguing with my mafia read. I'm trying to keep anyone else from listening to you, and I'm trying to COORDINATE the medics into KILLING YOU. Defeating your arguments is how that process goes. Have you played this game before? Not once did I call you mafia for pushing this mafia strategy? I've called you mafia for it NON-STOP. What are you even talking about? On March 12 2018 05:59 Holyflare wrote: At the end of the day I say we should nk slam and df agrees and you just go "Fine, let's nk slam. It's not optimal but I'll do it." THIS IS A KILL THAT I JUST PROPOSED AND YOU ARE FINE JUMPING ON IT Such a load of bs. I'm NOT fine jumping on it, but I've consistently maintained that splitting the kills is not optimal and that the medics should coordinate. I've said that every step of the way. If Slam is the best I could get, that's still better than splitting the kills. We can afford to be wrong, thanks to the leniency gained from the mass claim YOU opposed, and the resulting plan that YOU oppose. It wasn't YOUR idea to kill slam, DF proposed it long before you ever did. Why can you not even make a single post without saying something that is verifiably false? Df and noobking healing hf. Vivax and ff healing koshi. None of that looks like df proposing a unanimous kill on slam I'm afraid. lol, DF has been talking about killing slam since the phase STARTED. His FIRST post in N2 says he's fine vig'ing Slam tonight. S e m a n t i c s. He was not wanting to kill slam when it called for a consolidation until now. So the FACT still stands that a consolidation onto slam did not attempt to occur until I suggested it and he agreed to always wanting it and people were fine for it. Therefore I started the unanimous decision. Now you are fine wanting to nk who I wanted! That's not semantics. DF proposed killing him first. That's just fact. And you continue to put falsehoods in every post. I am not fine NK'ing Slam. I merely favored getting a consensus (which YOU tried to prevent, with your split-medics plan) over getting one of my top 2 targets, that I made cases against. I didn't post a case against Slam, because I don't SEE one. But if I can't get one of my top 2 targets, I would fall in line with that 3rd option, which I would resist more powerfully if the target were Koshi or rsoul.
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On March 12 2018 06:46 rsoultin wrote: ARE WE VIGGING MOOSY OR NOT? DF, are we vigging Moosy or not? It obviously looks like Vivax has come around to the idea.
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On March 12 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: WE ARE VIG SHOTTING KOSHI. THAT IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE PLAY HERE. *sigh*
Come on, FF. Get yo' ass in here.
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On March 12 2018 06:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:52 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: WE ARE VIG SHOTTING KOSHI. THAT IS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE PLAY HERE. *sigh* Come on, FF. Get yo' ass in here. What happened to your moosy read bro Nothing?
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On March 12 2018 06:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 06:47 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 06:46 rsoultin wrote: ARE WE VIGGING MOOSY OR NOT? DF, are we vigging Moosy or not? It obviously looks like Vivax has come around to the idea. Moosy feels town man. I'm waffling harder than la Grande Place right now. But I think Moosy is town. I think we have to consolidate on Koshi Obviously I disagree that Moosy feels Town. Holyflare feels even less Town. So let's kill Koshi, yay!
Ok, I have moved my heal from Moosy to Koshi.
Still hoping FF shows. Will check in again before deadline.
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On March 12 2018 07:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote: You can even do this so you can stop being shit.
Vivax heals Holyflare. Noobking heals slam. Df heals moosy. Ff heals koshi.
That way if mafia want to eliminate a vt by stacking they eliminate one of your question marks and save your town reads. Are you saying that's bad for tonight? Are you saying you'd rather chance a shot on a random guy instead of forcing mafia to play their hand? Dumbest thing I read on this site. Congratz. Take away kp from town. Hilarious. It's not dumb if he's mafia. It's just not quite as good for mafia as his previous suggestion.
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