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On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain.
Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol
There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. Dinner time now, though.
For the moment,
##Vote: KelsierSC
Do stuff.
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On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case.
So did you do that re-reading, rsoul? It looks inconclusive to me. He says that he's down for "shenannies" onto DF (which is the lynch he wants, if he's scum and DF isn't) but says that tubesock is still scummiest (which might be fine to say, even if Tubesock isn't the lynch he wants, because he's one of only 2 votes there at the time). But within just a few posts, there are suddenly two swaps TO Tubesock, and that would then make it tougher for Moosy to justify jumping to DF. Overall, I would say the voting record works slightly in Moosy's favor IF I knew for sure that DF is Town. But since I don't, I would mostly throw this evidence out. Which means the association case against him takes precedence. You seeing anything different?
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On March 10 2018 18:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:meh not much to get from noobking's last couple posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. Dinner time now, though. For the moment, ##Vote: KelsierSCDo stuff. So......you trying to push me or not? This reads like you're trying to scum read me but I don't feel pressure from your posts. What's your goal here?
Oh, you don't understand what my goal is? I'm super-shocked! Your filter is 8 pages of you not understanding things. My post said I needed to re-read. I don't expect you to feel a bunch of pressure from me saying I need to re-read, while my vote is on someone else. But yeah, I'm "trying to scumread you." prpl flipping red makes you a high candidate to be on that team. Are you anxious to feel more pressure from my posts? What's the matter, don't especially feel like playing anymore after prpl crashed and burned, but your pride won't let you just scoop, either? Here's an idea....how about you put your vote on Kelsier too, and help me try to spur him into action. Then if he makes a few good posts, maybe the Noose ends up on you today instead, and you get put out of your misery a littler sooner. How's that sound?
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On March 10 2018 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why is noobking trying to not figure out which medic is fake?
Who said I'm not figuring out which medic is fake? But I don't think I could get any of the medics lynched today, even if I told everyone I was 100% sure which one is the fake. And there'll be more information about which one is the fake after today's flip.
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On March 10 2018 19:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul? Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town. Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind. But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc. So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt.
Well we appear to mostly just be killing time here, at the moment. So even if you have no designs on getting HF lynched today, you can still talk more about him, if there's anything left you haven't said already. I'm not saying your points don't make sense, I just don't see them as being all that strong.
1) His pre-game opinion was honest, so deviating from it in-game feels odd
2) If he and Vivax are both Town, you think one of the three of you should have been the NK
3) He was mean to you in this game, and he does that more when he's scum than while he's town. (I couldn't put much stock in this one, even if I were completely sure you were town)
Is that about the extent of it?
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Guess everybody left. Well, I'll be back later today. (should be at least 2-3 hours before the deadline, maybe more)
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On March 10 2018 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:
1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her
Only things going for her:
1) Getting people to mass claim
If getting people to mass claim is a point in her favor, then are you saying that yes, we should count your resistance as a strike against you? Koshi told everyone to "do the math" and see that the mass claim is a net positive. Should we think that failing to have done the math is randomly more forgivable for HF than for others?
On March 10 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk.
I see a few people have commented on this plan of action. Anyone else have thoughts on it?
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On March 10 2018 21:16 Holyflare wrote:
Noobking, who did you heal last night?
Really?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 10 2018 21:19 rsoultin wrote:
Namely points 2 and 4 are blatantly untrue, and the third is just wrong.
2 and 4 are at least major exaggerations. Is Town HF prone to using a bunch of hyperbole to try and get people to come around to his way of thinking, even if it means he's not completely telling the truth anymore?
Also, I don't think anyone answered when I asked if Town HF is prone to flip-flopping on things, which would make it less suspicious that he didn't follow his pre-game thoughts regarding the mass claim.
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On March 10 2018 21:33 Holyflare wrote:
Point 2 is not blatantly untrue, your push on AMG I felt was not good at all and based off of really weak points. Sure, it wasn't ALL day one but it was the latter half of it and it felt really odd to come from you as a push because it applied to so many other people and was extrapolated nonsense based on a push for the plural of a word. Seems silly to me.
Point 4 is not untrue. At every point I have pushed df you have said no, not lynching him and referenced his tone being town and that he is town because of his town read on you. I posted a case and YOU defended him from it. That is hard defending.
Point 1 is definitely true.
Point 3 multiple people have told you it doesn't make sense. It's also incongruent with your entire thought process. You have posted multiple times that I'm not mafia over one of the medic claims and afkers now BUT STILL TRY AND PUSH IT LIKE IT'S TRUE. It's ridiculous and amounts to setting up for the future imo because you still try and say it like it's a point while simultaneously referencing that I might not actually be mafia. You either believe it and I'm mafia or you retract it because you admit it's not a strong point. There is absolutely no in between with this.
The bolded is a false dichotomy and you should know better. "Try to make you today's lynch" and "decide there's no case against you" are not the only options of a town rsoul. She can vote against Kelsier while discussing whether she thinks you'd be where to look next should Kelsier flip town just like I've voted against Kelsier while discussing whether I think Moosy should be the next kill should Kelsier flip town.
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On March 10 2018 22:42 rsoultin wrote:
Hm, I think I'd rather vote Kelsier because I have no clue what the point of his posts even are if he's town. Particularly when he said he didn't know what I was talking about. So he's reading but not reading?
I just don't want to auto and find out he just sucks lol >< Then again, we've got a ton of time to work things out now, so there's that.
Also, I think a better way of using our 'four' medics is to have two vig targets tonight outside the medic pool with two clearly assigned to one target, and two to another. Then scum has to play ball or reveal which pairing has the fake claim.
By "better way" do you mean better than having all 4 medics on the same target? Or just better than HF's suggestion to have medics shoot into each other?
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On March 10 2018 22:46 Koshi wrote:
I think DF should have died if he wasn't a real medic. (from what I read after I replaced).
Died how?
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On March 11 2018 05:15 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 05:13 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:
1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her
Only things going for her:
1) Getting people to mass claim If getting people to mass claim is a point in her favor, then are you saying that yes, we should count your resistance as a strike against you? Koshi told everyone to "do the math" and see that the mass claim is a net positive. Should we think that failing to have done the math is randomly more forgivable for HF than for others? On March 10 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk. I see a few people have commented on this plan of action. Anyone else have thoughts on it? See you always have passive voice sson not active voice As town you wanna get shot done As scum you wanna go with dat flow So since you keep asking “wat everyone think of this?” I am like “textbook scum m8”
If you're Town, then I think all you're showing here is that I understand what makes for good play in these games, and you don't. I raise discussion points and ask what people think of them, to see who falls where. And if something that SHOULD have been a discussion point was mentioned by someone else, but people AREN'T talking about, then I will call attention to it, and say "wat everyone think of this?" to see who falls where.
If everyone had just ANSWERED all of my questions every time I said "wat everyone think of this?" then we probably would have had the goddamn game solved, and the scum team may have even already scooped by now.
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On March 11 2018 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, absolutely to what? Yes, you're admitting it's absolutely a strike against you that you opposed the mass claim? Or yes, we absolutely should randomly give HF more forgiveness than average, for failing to "do the math"?
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On March 11 2018 05:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 05:13 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:
1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her
Only things going for her:
1) Getting people to mass claim If getting people to mass claim is a point in her favor, then are you saying that yes, we should count your resistance as a strike against you? Koshi told everyone to "do the math" and see that the mass claim is a net positive. Should we think that failing to have done the math is randomly more forgivable for HF than for others? On March 10 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk. I see a few people have commented on this plan of action. Anyone else have thoughts on it? Are you incapable of independent thoughts or something? About the 4th time you've made posts like this to get nothing out of it.
If you were town, you would absolutely see what is happening. If I EVER "get nothing" out of making posts like that, it won't be MY fault. Now shut up and let people answer
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On March 11 2018 05:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 05:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 21:33 Holyflare wrote:
Point 2 is not blatantly untrue, your push on AMG I felt was not good at all and based off of really weak points. Sure, it wasn't ALL day one but it was the latter half of it and it felt really odd to come from you as a push because it applied to so many other people and was extrapolated nonsense based on a push for the plural of a word. Seems silly to me.
Point 4 is not untrue. At every point I have pushed df you have said no, not lynching him and referenced his tone being town and that he is town because of his town read on you. I posted a case and YOU defended him from it. That is hard defending.
Point 1 is definitely true.
Point 3 multiple people have told you it doesn't make sense. It's also incongruent with your entire thought process. You have posted multiple times that I'm not mafia over one of the medic claims and afkers now BUT STILL TRY AND PUSH IT LIKE IT'S TRUE. It's ridiculous and amounts to setting up for the future imo because you still try and say it like it's a point while simultaneously referencing that I might not actually be mafia. You either believe it and I'm mafia or you retract it because you admit it's not a strong point. There is absolutely no in between with this. The bolded is a false dichotomy and you should know better. "Try to make you today's lynch" and "decide there's no case against you" are not the only options of a town rsoul. She can vote against Kelsier while discussing whether she thinks you'd be where to look next should Kelsier flip town just like I've voted against Kelsier while discussing whether I think Moosy should be the next kill should Kelsier flip town. It is absolutely not a false dichotomy. I have either changed my mind from the pre-game as town or I am pushing it as a mafia agenda. There is no in between.
And you've followed up your false dichotomy fallacy with a straw man fallacy. You're on a roll. I didn't say there's an in-between you being town or mafia, I said there's an in-between her thinking it's scummy and trying to get you lynched for it, vs her deciding it's not scummy. She can think it's scummy, ask what other people think about it (as she has), then file it away, and lynch someone else.
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On March 11 2018 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
No, if it is scummy then I am mafia.
If I am town it is NOT scummy.
lol, that's not your decision to make.
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On March 11 2018 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
He's probably not scum and I'm not getting lynched.
And KSC is probably just mafia here. That or he's really enjoying being mislynched as town?
So I don't see the point in defending me from HF, noob. I'm a big girl.
Can't help it, I'm a chauvinist! But yeah, I'm gonna step away for a bit, before I go berserk. I'll be back before the phase ends.
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On March 11 2018 06:10 Holyflare wrote:
This dude is genuinely angry lol?
A little, yeah? It's pretty damn frustrating to have you and Alakaslam seemingly unable to understand the BASIC principles of scumhunting behind the style of questioning I've repeatedly used in this game, especially when at least one of you has to be town.
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On March 11 2018 06:21 Holyflare wrote:
At no point has he even tried to decipher which of the other three medics are mafia when that should be the medic's main priority
False. A medic's main priority is to decipher which of the NON-medics are mafia. The main priority of EVERY town player is to decipher which of the NON-medics are mafia.
On March 11 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
Now, when it came to the next day and people actually told noobking that my df meta was correct he turned to say "Oh, you should absolutely be the lynch" but now that the mass claim has happened he is absurdly quiet about lynching into any of the medics.
The first part is false. I didn't say he should be the lynch, I said he should have BEEN the lynch. Seeing flips can change things. That's how "new information" works. *eyeroll*
As to the second part, there is nothing absurd about me being quiet about lynching into any of the medics, because I'm not BRAIN-DEAD enough to suggest lynching into the medics.
First you oppose the mass claim, even though it favors the Town win condition, and then you fail to understand that the whole benefit of the mass claim was to give us an almost FAILSAFE path to victory, through lynching into the NON-medics. If you're Town, you're repeatedly making it tougher for your own team to win the game. And if you're scum, you're being LLLAZY, because if you actually stopped to think your posts through, you'd see how much they contradict common sense.
On March 11 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
To add to that now he's just asking meek questions about rsoultin's posts towards me that would have no follow up.
lol, it's weird then, how my questions to rsoul kept repeatedly having me "follow up" with additional conversation about the answers.
On March 11 2018 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
He's angry that I am posting hyperbole and incorrect information while rsoul calls me mafia but doesn't equate that to me being mafia since that is what mafia surely do.
It is what mafia surely do. And you can surely be mafia. But there were 2 other good lynch targets today, and your posting didn't become increasingly scummy until late enough in the day that I don't believe it would still be possible to get you in the noose at this point.
If Kelsier flips town, I will be explaining to everyone what makes your Day 2 posting so scummy. But I'm not going to bother with it for now, because if Kelsier flips Red, it doesn't matter what all of the Mafia motivations behind your posts can be, because you'll be town even DESPITE the way you've behaved. So I'm really hoping Kelsier flips red, because it'll save me a lot of work, and I can wait until post-game to tell you why your reasoning is so awful.
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