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On March 09 2018 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town
THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory).
Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up.
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On March 09 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On March 09 2018 04:25 darthfoley wrote:
Here dude, lemme answer the question you need to write a master's thesis on: I would say i'm regarded as one of the stronger players as town THANKS, buddy! Wish you'd posted this during D1 instead (or that ANYone else had answered, when I asked for confirmation of the theory). Then yes, HF is right. You should have been the Day 1 lynch. Glad we got that cleared up. Lol, I find it hard to believe you can manage to write like 14 walls of text per hour yet fail to read some pretty clear posts from HF and Damdred and Vivax and rsoultin at least implying that my playstyle this game has been off meta.
smh
It appears that you don't even know how I ended up asking the question in the first place. You keep talking about what HF said, like as if that's not exactly the "theory" I was trying to get "confirmation" of from absolutely anyone else (and didn't get).
Vivax's listed reasons for voting against you have nothing to do with your meta. In skimming his D1 posts about you just now, I don't notice anything that even indicates he has EVER seen you play before, as either allegiance. rsoul's comments about the weirdness of your entry to the thread do not speak to my question at all. I didn't remember that post from Damdred, having not ever seen it a 2nd time, given that I didn't re-read his filter, since he hasn't been here to talk to, nor has he really been discussed as a lynch target. Apparently everyone else either forgot about it too, or thought it didn't answer the question, since he only mentions your town play in regard to "tone." But anyway, like I said, I'm convinced now. Yes, you should have been the Day 1 lynch. But hopefully you're Town anyway, and will start to play like the guy you think matches your reputation. *wink, WINK*
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On March 09 2018 05:06 prplhz wrote:
I'm only up to date with page 22 and I've read something here and there but that's it. I'll try to do better tomorrow. I have no idea who is mafia.
Catch up a little more, buddy, and you'll see that if you can't do better than that, there isn't gonna BE any tomorrow for you.
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On March 09 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Can I just sneak a pass N1 and that way I can read and give you some good shit.
The alternative is shitposting some bullshit after a quick read, which I will probably realise is bad , contradict myself and then become easy lynch bait
Neat, neither of my preferred kills want to play yet!
I'll make you and prpl an offer you can't refuse!
I promise not to scumread you for anything you say during N1. Shitpost to your heart's content, and it won't hurt your standing in my eyes. Post something cool, and I'll want you to live. And if you don't, I'll want you to die (but that was already the case anyway.) You can only move up, or stay where you already were!
What a deal!
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On March 09 2018 05:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I honestly don't know the specifics of the night stuff either but the medics should stack on one person imo
Like who?
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On March 09 2018 05:55 darthfoley wrote:
Fact that no one is even trying to divert medicvig off of prplhz implies he's town. Meh
Wouldn't necessarily be such a terrible thing, if it helps guide the noose on day 2. What do we learn from a prplhz townflip? Is that something we can use? Because given his activity level, no one could be too heartbroken to see him die and flip town. And I don't really care to be handing out free passes on the basis of "only on page 22, I'll play later."
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If I die tonight: Any scenario where the mafia kills me tonight reflects pretty well on Vivax, I think. Posting everything he did and then flipping me town strikes me as way outside the box, for a N1 kill. Move him up your townreads. And in any scenario where the mafia kills me tonight, I think I still like Kelsier for a scumread. WIFOM arguments about "scum could be killing n00bking to frame town Kelsier instead of protect scum Kelsier" don't really apply here, I don't think. Kelsier's position is precarious enough that he doesn't really need to be framed.
If I die and prplhz flips town: Do NOT let AMG use "well n00bking was townreading me and we know HE was town" as an excuse to not pressure him on Day 2 and beyond. The mafia picking me as the kill reflects poorly on AMG. prpl flipping town reflects poorly on AMG. The Day 2 circumstances would be way different (in this scenario) than the circumstances under which I'm presently giving him the townlean.
If I die and prplhz flips scum: I would take a long hard look at Moosy. His filter reads like he barely wants to acknowledge prpl is in this game, and I had to extract an answer from him about who to even use the N1 kill against. After abandoning the scumread on rsoul, he used damdred's absence as an excuse to not vote, and then seemed (from my own egoistic point of view, at least) to get in long discussions about things that weren't really central to what the game should be about right then. His threats to start a barrage of shitposts during N1 dried up as soon as Alakaslam began posting, so those threats may have involved a plan of action reliant upon Alakaslam's absence. I asked him what happened...no answer. If a townie had plans that got blown up, they can explain it. If a scum player has plans that got blown up...not so simple.
In any scenario where I die, but prplhz DOESN'T: Someone will probably bring up the fact that there are multiple explanations for how this happened. And sure, they'll be right. But once again, look to the probabilities. The most likely explanation is that the mafia identified and roleblocked a medic, to save him, because he's on their team. The existence of other possibilities does not mean that isn't EXACTLY what happened. Do NOT just say "Well, there are other explanations" and then go about your usual scumhunting, like as if prpl's survival doesn't count for anything. It does count for something, and it should take a LOT for you to let him out of the frying pan.
In any scenario where DF and I both die, and DF flips medic: Welp, guess Holyflare is virtually confirmed, as a legitimate Town medic. Put him at the top of your townreads, this is a guy you can trust. Then tell him to pull his head out of his ass and lead the town to victory, because if you lose, it's probably his fault, for not complying with instructions from the Town about who to use his action on.
Feel like there was something else but I dont remember it now and Im outo f time cuz deadline
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On March 09 2018 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm wondering if it may not be best to just mass claim with a dead RBer? Though I'm not 100% certain that's wise before a scum medic flip.
Yeah, was just wondering the same thing. I will have to think on that some. Also will need to do some re-reading, based on flips. Laterz!
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On March 09 2018 08:12 rsoultin wrote:
It does make me wonder a bit if one of the people fairly townread is scum. I would have expected Viva/HF (and yes, I'm a prideful creature: me) to be the most likely targets.
Noob less likely because of Viva.
I almost did a spit-take when Vivax said something about expecting to be killed. If he's town, there's NO way they're eliminating him while he's hard-charging me. And if he's scum, they...still aren't killing him! :D
I didn't especially think I would be killed either, but figured I should still put my thoughts up "in case of."
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On March 09 2018 11:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:Me shitposting relies on one thing: Alakaslam's presence. Alakaslam not here? I no shitpost. Alakaslam here? I shitpost. And I'm not sure how you thought otherwise when I posted this along my hail of shitposts:
Alright. I typed up that post in a serious rush, to get it finished before the deadline, and I tacked on the shitpost part without double-checking my memory on the order of your posts. The other things I didn't like about your filter still stand. But yes, you're right about this part.
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On March 09 2018 15:34 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah...like koshi has the excuse of Euro time, but I agree that slams absence is weird given how excited he seemed to be about playing this game.
Well posting stuff like the dog .gif was before he would have received a role PM. He may have become...less excited after that, if he's on the scum team. Especially seeing that prplhz seemed headed for a medic overdose (a decision Alakaslam played no role in, btw). And if the Alakaslam slot had been on the team, that could help explain why prpl never came back to put up any fight. Alakaslam would still need to feign the excitement for a few posts after he arrives (and did) but then...yeah, 22 hours later, still nothing further. I don't *think* we're dealing with an Alakaslam/Kelsier/prpl scum team? But if that's what it was, you sure can't blame prpl for folding up the tent and going home. lol I guess you could say the same thing if you swap out one of those names with Damdred's, but that wasn't my original inclination.
Anyway, looks like we have 2 in favor of the mass claim, and 0 against, so far. I'm not against it either. If anyone IS, I'll hear what they have to say, but I gave it some thought, and it seems fine to me. Like you mentioned, if we assume there's a counterclaim, the mass claim still keeps the scum from narrowing that group (and revealing the faker) by shooting medics. Which means we can keep performing overdose kills at Night.
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On March 09 2018 17:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Look at Noobking’s early filter, I was suspicious of this.
![[image loading]](http://pa1.narvii.com/6434/162c8f96ab87ea5a35c947db489a6ca4a02bb332_hq.gif)
Come at me, bro.
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On March 09 2018 17:40 Alakaslam wrote:
I didn’t like AMG at all.
On March 09 2018 17:40 Alakaslam wrote:
And I also really liked Prp
*blink, blink*
Yeah, get some sleep. We'll see you tomorrow....
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On March 10 2018 04:46 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Noobking
I think I'd still lynch Kelsier first but this might make noob post.
lol, nnnnahhhh, I don't think that's gonna work.
I mean, getting words out of n00bKing is like pulling teeth!
My skimming shows that the mass claim went off, so:
On March 09 2018 08:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Good shit medics
Don't mention it.
Will read and respond to the rest off and on, over the next couple of hours.
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On March 09 2018 18:21 rsoultin wrote:So yeah, I thought early that you were using your medic claim to get reactions, thus your scumread on tube. My impression of your town play is that you also like to game mafia night actions, so I thought that this made it slightly more likely that your claim came from town (especially if you were not medic). Didn't like how you refused to answer my question while talking around it. I came into thread all but decided that a town HF would not be deliberately antagonizing me because lately as town you've been quick to try to understand when I start getting agitated and try to diffuse it. Then I got distracted by Viva, and Lex and I had to leave. By the time I got back you'd answered my question without further pressure from me, so I let it go, and even townread you a bit more for it because, as I said, I feel it's a town-tell for you to try not to agitate me lately when something you say sets me off. So when I saw your post here at beginning of day I wasn't surprised. But now I'm wondering why a town HF bothers to say this. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Okay, I think I've read all of the back-and-forth between you and HF fairly closely now, and I don't see that he ever answered this question of why he led off Day 2 by saying he's not really a medic, if he didn't want the mass claim. Do you feel like he answered this?
As far as the rest of the "to claim or not to claim" discussion between the two of you:
I do think there was at least some validity to Holyflare's stated reasons for opposing the mass claim. I just felt that those reasons were not AS strong as the valid reasons in FAVOR of the mass claim, which is part of why I supported it.
It may have been a "close call" but the reasons to do it outweighed the reasons not to, and then I myself eventually had a selfish reason to want the mass claim, because I made would *could* have been perceived by the mafia as a "blueslip" earlier in the phase. (It actually was NOT one, but as soon as I'd made the post, I noticed it might LOOK like one, so I'm glad we're doing the mass claim.)
Obviously there's no denying that his resistance to the mass claim now does not line up with his pre-game musings. So instead of trying to say the thoughts mesh, he says he has just changed his mind. In your experience (and really, anyone can chime in on this) is Town HF someone that changes his mind about things regularly? If he's prone to flip-flopping on things like this, then the contradiction you've found may not be scum-indicative at all.
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On March 09 2018 20:59 Vivax wrote:
I'm considering lynching FF for TMI today.
Be more specific. Because he seemed to know Tubesock was Town, or because he seemed to know prpl was scum? Or both?
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On March 10 2018 04:14 darthfoley wrote:
I did feel like n00bking placing all the blame for not lynching me D1 on other people not fulfilling his "what's DF's META!!?!?!" was oddly placed and seemed contrived
Problem being that if *I* were scum and *you* weren't on the team, then I wouldn't need to make ANY excuse for not lynching you on Day 1 (contrived or otherwise) because I WOULD have lynched you on Day 1. lol
As explained already, here:
I can't really see any way to scumread me for: abandoning my original lynch target with 1 hour to go (who was Town) and defending the counterwagon (also town, in this hypothetical) and then leaving, and just crossing my fingers and hoping the noose doesn't fall onto one of my teammates. Working to keep DF out of the noose in that scenario couldn't possibly make less sense, especially once DF claims medic, which would've made it trivially easy to just go "oh, you're claiming medic? That makes you mathematically more likely to be scum now. Die." Boom, dead Town medic, and a BULLETPROOF alibi for me sticking him in the noose.
If I'm scum and you're not, why am I keeping a town medic out of the noose, and risking the chance that the lynch is one of my teammates instead? That is never, ever, (ever) happening.
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On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure.
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On March 10 2018 04:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin what are you and holyflare fighting about again. Last time was darthfoley, is it still darthfoley or something else?
Why don't you RTFT and find out?
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On March 10 2018 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Imo unless we get a fifth medic claim we should ignore medic claim people because scum is basically forced to narrow one of 2 cells with nks.
Or was that the plan all along
Well we can't get a 5th medic claim now because Koshi made sure we wouldn't. Like, any scum team (even one with a Kelsier who isn't paying very good attention) would probably figure out that they can't both fakeclaim medic, and that exactly (and only) one of them should claim medic. But if there was even a ONE percent chance that Kelsier screws up and makes the 4th medic claim (which would have made 5 once I got here) then we should have given him the chance to make that mistake. Because then we would just kill all the medics and it would be mathematically impossible for scum to win. Koshi laid out how killing all the non-medics will now make it *almost* impossible for scum to win (we'd have to make wrong choices over and over) but he outright eliminated the chance that we could win for free. Now THAT is what "too scummy to be scum" ACTUALLY looks like, because Koshi made THE most Anti-Town post of the entire game. I have no interest in lynching him today, though we should probably try to prod him to participate more, so that we'll have more to look at from him if we don't nail scum right away, and need to consider him as a target by PoE.
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