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On March 06 2018 16:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia. What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I like this. He basically said I'm town medic and slipped  Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him? You do realize that I think HF is either town medic or mafia medic.....how is that making nice?
Cuz 75% of the medics are town. If someone says they're a medic and you immediately are like "yeah, I believe him" then if you're scum and believe HF to be one of the stronger town players, it could be an attempt to make him feel like he has an ally in you. You also instantly put damdred in your "town pile" for reasons that are...not real strong.
Due to those things, it would be good if someone who knows your history could tell us whether you're someone who tends to randomly take claims at face value (as opposed to someone who is generally skeptical of them) and whether you're someone who tends to try and buddy up to notable Town players when you're Scum.
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On March 06 2018 16:30 rsoultin wrote:
Let me make this abundantly clear:
What I saw while Damdred was IN THE THREAD was not detective Damdred. It was please be friends with me Damdred. The first is town.
K.
On March 06 2018 16:31 Holyflare wrote:
The op was not announced as changed, the opening post didn't state any changes were made. If the host said they might change something and did but didn't inform us then that's dumb. Send them a PM if you want answers though.
K. I totally agree it would be dumb. And you would know how the hosts do things around here better than I would, so I'll assume there's a 99% chance the setup matches the OP.
Which means that yes, I'll send them a PM to check. lol
/OCD
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On March 06 2018 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Enough about mass claiming.
Yeah, no. If anyone believes they have a compelling argument in favor of the Day 1 mass claim, they should post it, and not feel like the discussion is over just because Holyflare said "enough about mass claiming." If no one comes forward with that compelling argument, then we'll just continue playing the game normally (which we should keep doing in the meantime) and then reevaluate the option on Day 2.
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On March 06 2018 16:58 Tubesock wrote:
If I were scum, I'd just avoid Holyflare and kill him at night. Although I have gotten in two shitfights with him as mafia.
When you were mafia or when he was mafia?
On March 06 2018 16:58 Tubesock wrote:
So, what are your thoughts about his claim?
I don't think anything about it yet. People say he makes fake claims as either allegiance.
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On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny.
Ugh. I don't like any of that post. Being "more interested in n00bking" isn't a good reason to avoid any discussion with AMG. You can talk to 2 players at once, you know. Keeping a singular focus on one topic helps to keep you from needing to develop opinions on any other subject, and that's not good. And even if you thought you had "no common ground" with him about what makes players prickly (and even if you thought discussing the disagreement with him wouldn't help you determine whether he actually sees it differently, or is just pretending to) you could have just talked to him about something else instead. Like...you could have talked to him about the thing you were "more interested in." ME! Why not ask him why he has the townread on me? He might share something that changes your mind. Or you might share something that changes his. Having NO desire to discuss me with someone who takes the opposite opinion just makes it look like you already know my allegiance.
'splain yourself.
##Vote: Tubesock
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On March 06 2018 18:23 Calix wrote:
Just to clarify, the setup in the OP is correct and has not been changed.
Thanks.
At least the hosts respond to PMs quickly! lol
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On March 06 2018 18:53 rsoultin wrote:
Like, basically I can see tubesock being scum here. I just think it would be a shame to auto him for nonsense (especially if he ends up flipping town), even if I think mostly town is pushing him.
I can't speak for the other votes against Tubesock, but I'm not saying we auto him (if "auto him" means what I think it means). The post where I voted against him demands that he 'splain himself, it doesn't say "ok everyone, we've got our Day 1 lynch, let's do this!"
Since the time that AMG and myself went from "talking to" Tubesock to "voting against" Tubesock, he's gone quiet. Which doesn't look great, but we'll see what he says if/when he returns.
I'm surprised/disappointed that the players who hadn't made a post yet when I went to sleep (Vivax/Kelsier/chaoser) still haven't made one now that I'm back up again.
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On March 06 2018 20:50 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. You think me making excuses to scum read people. What people? I have implied one person was scum and did not like their follow up. One person. So you find my opinion on or attempt at discussion with Tubesock to be forced, or I don't believe what i'm saying when i'm saying it?
Yeah, I would like to see this explanation too.
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On March 07 2018 03:28 rsoultin wrote:
Prp is in my slightly townish pile
I can't tell why Prp is in your townish pile, any more than I can tell why Prp is in FF's scummy pile. If the situation is that it's "nothing substantive, just a feeling" then I wish people would just say that, so I don't have to ask them "why?" Why is Prp slightly townish?
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On March 07 2018 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
There's just something really off about DF's entry. He's in the thread while people are talking about things, and tubesock had already made his (bad?) post (though no one had called him out for it yet), and he just...isn't in the mood?
It makes me think he didn't like his role pm. Especially since he seemed to feel the need to respond to moosey and to make his excuses. Idk.
I immediately disliked DF for that too, when it's like:
DF - *notices game has started*
DF - *decides he's not in the mood to play anymore, bails*
But decided to control my knee-jerk reaction, and not make anything of it. If someone were bummed about pulling a scum role in this game, then yeah, I could imagine them just making a couple of "ok, I'm here" posts and then disappearing for a while, but to actually SAY in the thread that he's not in the mood is much stranger. WIFOM and all that, but still, it would be weird (I think) for a scum player to draw attention to themselves by raising their hand and being like "Look at me! I'm here, but I'm not actually going to play the game!"
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On March 07 2018 04:15 rsoultin wrote:
In other news if we're into lynching afkers it's a bit more alignment-indicative for vivax and ksc to be silent. I think vivax the most. So there's that \o/
Can you explain why silent Vivax/Kelsier is more alignment-indicative than silent chaoser?
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Thanks for those answers, rsoul.
HF's "good chat" post makes me uneasy. Should it not? You mentioned him as townpile after that post, so I'm assuming it didn't bother you. But since the time that he tried to shut down discussion of a D1 mass claim, he didn't really put forth anything else to discuss in its place. He's barely talked about anything but Tubesock. I'm guessing "good chat" means he's satisfied with the direction of the thread/voting at this stage, but that could be good for Town or bad for Town. lol
@Holyflare: No follow-up questions for your vote target? No reactions to anything else that's been said about your vote target in the meantime? No comments on anything else that's going on? (admittedly, not much else is going on...)
@Damdred: Have any strong impressions on HF? (just with regard to his allegiance, not with regard to whether he is/isn't "a medic" for one side or the other)
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On March 07 2018 04:52 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 16:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
Do you think he's right? Should we not talk about mass claiming D2? Is there a difference of talking about mass claiming and the timing of it? Does anyone actually think the medics shouldn't EVER mass claim? So, obviously if you are going to discuss strategy you will be talking about the timing. I didn't like him saying "talking about D2 claim is a distraction" and then he goes back to talking about mass claiming. It's scummy to try to shut down discussion especially when nothing else is going on.
Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation. Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later. And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation. I'd say no, thus, bored. Let's talk reads! By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it. Idk I think mass claiming too early turns this game into a mechanic-obsessed game (which it already kind of is) in which people forget to make organic reads on people. Makes more sense to see everyone playing the game for a while before mass claims happen. Do you have a particular reason you want D1 mass claims that I've missed?
Nope. I don't necessarily "want D1 mass claims." I just really wanted it to be discussed, because I've never played a format like this before (has anyone in here played this format before, besides the host?) Roleclaims were a big part of the pre-game discussion, so if anyone thought of a reason why a D1 mass claim would really put the mafia's back to the wall, I wanted to hear about it. We have some players who haven't posted yet, but to this point, no one has posted a good reason to perform a mass claim on D1. So I'm guessing it won't happen, and can just be looked at again on D2.
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On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Mostly agree. So yeah, my stated reasons for voting Tubesock and HF's stated reasons for voting Tubesock are quite a bit different. Part of why I asked HF if he has any reaction to the things that have been said about his vote target, since the time he placed the vote.
On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense.
I see nothing to like in FF's play so far, but to be fair, he HAD more or less been asked for the reasoning behind his scumread on prpl, before he made the 2nd post explaining it. It was 2 posts in a row for HIM, but there were several posts by other people between them.
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On March 07 2018 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would sheep a rsoultin wagon
You mf'ers are not lynching rsoul while there's 3 people who haven't even posted yet, and while Tubesock's thread activity went like this:
Tubesock: *post, post, post, post*
n00b: *votes against Tubesock*
Tubesock: *POOF*
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On March 07 2018 05:37 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:33 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would sheep a rsoultin wagon You mf'ers are not lynching rsoul while there's 3 people who haven't even posted yet, and while Tubesock's thread activity went like this: Tubesock: *post, post, post, post* n00b: *votes against Tubesock* Tubesock: *POOF* You get really serious about off the cuff posts
That's right. I don't wear cuffs, and I don't like people who wear cuffs. 
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On March 07 2018 05:25 rsoultin wrote:
lynchpool: tube, ff, afkers ftw
Still not feeling a prp lynch though he'd prob be next in line afterwards. Followed by hf. Or maybe hf first. Either way I don't really have a problem with either and see reasons to think they could be town.
Your prior thoughts on HF sounded like you were townleaning him. So why might you be open to lynching him before the lynchpool? Do you agree with whoever it was that said HF is the scum player who would be most likely to overcome the town-favored setup? Or...what? I don't get this.
(maybe you just meant HF "first" before prp and not "first" before everyone?)
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On March 07 2018 05:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man noobking if you're scum I'll be super impressed. Bleeding town on top of talking about host interactions in thread makes you lock green to me forever
I always make sure to set up an IV drip of green food coloring for my bloodstream, when I pull a scum role.
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On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?
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On March 07 2018 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute.
I think I don't see what you're seeing. I stood back and let her answer your line of questioning herself, so as not to interfere in your interrogation, but the change in her perception of DF didn't look like a "flip flop" to me. Almost all of his posts (and all of his meaningful posts) came after her initial impression of him. Seems perfectly reasonable that someone's views on another player could substantially change once that other player actually...like...starts saying things.
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