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On February 06 2018 12:10 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:06 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.
I'll read Mocsta's case soon. Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make This is peculiar reasoning as there are many reasons to explain what you observe. Im not sure why you are default latching onto worst-case option, in addition to not reading my content in detail. Again.. why do you keep bringing up my previous game. What is actually similar to you? You have slung shit, and now I would like you to back up the assertion. Worst case scenario? Trfel asked me a question and I answered it briefly. I haven't slung shit. I said you're reminding me of your recent scum game. I have stated why: your posts that are more than one paragraph are nitpicky and long winded for no reasons. Especially ironic considering you called Conversion nitpicky. This is why I asked if this is how you play town. I simply dont agree, but reviewing my game is something anyone can do if they are actually concerned about my alignment. Im disappointed with you Darth. I'll get to it eventually dad. I can take you being mad st me, but not being disappointed in me
It's stupid, but I kind of like this post for tone.
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On February 06 2018 12:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.
I'll read Mocsta's case soon. Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer? No In that case I'm really confused as to your thought process. You've said that Mocsta doesn't impress you, but seem to agree with everything he's saying and doing about rsoultin. To me it seems like your suspicions of Mocsta due to his waking up/going to sleep posts should be vastly outweighed by his making the main push in the thread that you are in agreement with. So what is it that makes them so similar; or why are you still so suspicious of Mocsta?
Truffle wuffle <3
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Public service announcement: ignoring mocsta from this point forward unless he talks about anything relevant; if it's not actually a reaction test the townread is retracted
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I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.
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On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement.
You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw
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On February 06 2018 18:59 Mocsta wrote:
tina
if you are planning to ignore my case by shitting on it for "length"
then at least have the courtesy of addressing point#2.
First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases.
And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/
Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that.
Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment.
I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever.
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On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement. You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question?
So are you sheeping rayn now because you agree with what you didn't agree with before, or because you think he's town?
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On February 06 2018 19:06 Mocsta wrote:
Also
my Introverted Intuition is predicting Damdred will be lynched 2 Day1s in a row.
Yes, such a long post absence smells ripe of classic scum struggles to post.
It's Damdred. Him afking never means anything. Except that maybe he's in the hospital again lol ><
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On February 06 2018 19:13 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:07 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Even though you're just repeating the same things that I disagreed with. I'm changing my stance to agreement. You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw And what use is this post? If you're having trouble then ask me a question? is posting overly verbose chaff this mocsta guy's thing?
Why koshi over Conversion, ritoky?
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On February 06 2018 19:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:11 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 18:59 Mocsta wrote:
tina
if you are planning to ignore my case by shitting on it for "length"
then at least have the courtesy of addressing point#2. First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases. And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/ Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that. Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment. I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever. I actually skimmed through your 2 most recent scum games before i considered making a case. I didnt see similarity to the town game. However, I intentionaly dont give much credence to "meta" as you havent played in a year, and people evolve in general (not just in the game of mafia). Im still finding your tone unfriendly compared to last game and I really doubt this is a thing specifically to do with me. Now, going back to point #2 which is related to this quote: Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? If the bold above states you werent intending to say "im so towny".. what were you trying to accomplish with this?
I honestly don't remember lol ><
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On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:28 Holyflare wrote:On February 06 2018 06:27 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Why stir rhis by voting.
Why not see it out?
Im confused by what you could meaningfully expect to achieve ? I don't need to play it out. That's way too overblown. However. I agree completelt with rayn. Hes just typing it more than i can be bothered. Is it likely him and i are mafia? If not. I would like to see this throigh. As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point?
Ah, yeah, that was in response to your post. I was just saying that Conversion's post was the most interesting of the posts that had been made so far. Which...wasn't saying much. Also my point. While I don't mind trying to clarify for people what I was thinking, I'm getting pretty tired of rehashing what was essentially just a poke at Conversion to see how he'd react -_-
Not sure how many times I can explain this.
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On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.
^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky.
You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all.
Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either.
Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?
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On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote:All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin.For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested.
Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation.
#1Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] +On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer...
-eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that.
On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation".
On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations.
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not.
I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose.
In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up.
On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote:I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone  The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia. Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game.
#2Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote:
As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion.
On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point?
#3I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin.+ Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
[...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
[...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:
hi tina
Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment
Humour or passive aggression?
On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote:
Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town.
Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it.
Item #4So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually.
On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:
Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:
Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post
On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:
Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread.
What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that?
@DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand.
Oh, while looking for who asked that...point 4 is just entirely wrong, Mocsta.
I was saying that I expected Conversion to call HF mafia in his joke, and what caught my attention was that he didn't. This had nothing to do with my reads on either of them.
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On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town?
Hm, guess I misremembered that. So, why is HF town to you?
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On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though.
The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this?
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On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day.
I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you.
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On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore.
Nailed for...I don't even remember. I'm trying to post more legibly and without emoticons in general, so it's doubtful that sort of meta read would be vaild anymore, anyway.
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On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better.
Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you.
I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read?
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On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean.
Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.
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On February 06 2018 20:22 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:21 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:17 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:06 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 19:57 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?
his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. ^ This is what I'm referring to, ritoky. You say that you only have 1 and a half strong townreads, but this looks like a scumread to me. Also the only one in your filter at all. Say you're joking about koshi, and yeah we all know what koshi can be like (though I don't know anything about whether he pushes you all the time or not), I'd still think this would be enough to push Conversion. Only caveat is you're not really doing anything, so not as scummy as say having this read and then pushing someone else. But the doing nothing with it certainly isn't giving me town feels, either. Didn't someone already ask you why you thought HF was town? i don't understand your point. some1 asked me why he was poop soup, i told them. he was the only player i had any negative inclinations toward. are those feelings a strong enough deviation from the norm to warrant trying to lynch him at this point? no not really. and why do i have to push things? why can't i play reactive? if you want to read my lack of aggression and my simple, succinct, honest posting style as scum; that's on you. you do you, i'll do me. i bet i come out finding more scum in the end though. The problem is if you're town you doing you looks like scum. Can you elaborate on this? so you want to make me alter the way i am playing rather than you have to alter the way you're perceiving? that's selfish. it's pretty straightforward but sure. at the start of the game everyone starts at a baseline level, let's call it 0. as the game progresses people do things they gain points in their favor and against them. let's say the range is 10 to -10. if we were to place conv on that scale he was somewhere around a -2 to a -3. -5 is generally where you have to be for pressure to lynch to begin for me. maybe if he works at it, he can get there one day. I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you. look i got a wife, 3 kids who can walk and talk, and 2 cats now; i ain't got the fire in my belly anymore to get in the trenches and duke it out with people. i battle it out all day long. what i do still have are my instincts even if they are washed-up; so this style of play suits the me of today much better. Just as with holyflare's insistance that he was treating people differently last game based on whether he was at work or not, I have no way to verify this. You'd do better to, as I said, just be you. I don't think you ever elaborated on your HF read? Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote:
i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town.
koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive.
Oh lol >< I do remember you posting that...I guess I just didn't see that as a strong reason to townread someone so it didn't register. To be clear, it's valid enough for D1 or if it happens consistently, but I wouldn't put that much weight on one comment/reaction that lines up.
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