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On January 21 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote: im happy to clear BTDT by association after reading Darthfoley filter the nitpicking case reminds me of the bullshit he stated for me being scum. So i think mderg summary below is accurate. Its not unheard of for scum to not vote, but its not something I would be willing to consider at this stage. Even with 2 town being prime bandwagon, the fact that DF was semi-close to a lynch should force a scum kmatt to vote. So kmatt is effectively green for today. Im still green on TWAT + Rels 2 scum within: damerion, HF, mderg, prplhz If damdred is the player everyone says he is, its quite the mastermind effort to facillitate a lynch him day1. This points to HF for me by default. need to know why Hf thinks prplhz is town. gonna start looking into mderg in more detail Eh, damdred is honestly past his dotage. I adore him. He brought me here, is the sweetest guy on the planet, super intelligent, and he's the reason I met my fiance. But it's been awhile since I've seen a Damdred powerhouse. And, regardless, that's usually not a Day 1 appearance. Of course, I could be wrong. This is partly based on what Lex has told me in passing (Artanis, the fiance, for those of you not familiar with who I'm talking about) since I stopped playing, and the most recent games I've played with him. I could just not be aware of dazzling play from him in the last 12-18 months or so. | ||
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On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote: And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it. Slight Town: Rsoultin Holyflare BTDT Slight Scum: DF (sorry baby) Mocsta Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. ??? Omgus comes from both alignments but I'd hardly call it unnatural for either? | ||
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On January 21 2018 20:55 Holyflare wrote: I don't think my mocsta read is old at all. His reasons for voting damdred didn't make sense when the post before his vote was literally calling out df. I don't think it's a natural progression in the slightest to share the same read as someone but also be calling them mafia. This is abundantly clear on day 1 from his wishy washy list post that says nothing and these posts are repeated a lot of times. He called me mafia but conveniently couldn't remember any of the points I raised about myself which means he didn't actually read anything I wrote before calling me mafia. Also don't care about lynching into prplhz/Damerion anymore. Thought prplhz donating his vote to you was towny but he didn't vote with you so definitely lynch. Damerion has no follow up. Nothing to give. Would rather lynch prplhz though over him until he posts. Tina's little devil man on her shoulder is saying "Well, you know, if holyflare is scum this game it's probably with damerion." But that aside, it makes sense from you as town to prefer Damerion, too. Mrt. Yeah I don't see the wishy washy as scummy wishy washy. I'm wishy-washying all over the damn place. I might be able to figure out what you mean by the bolded filter diving but would you quote, please? Also I just really find it...at the very least awful play...to be focusing on mocsta in a btdt/damdred town world. Or even just a damdred town world. Why buss the teammate who probably won't be lynched over the one who very well could be with or without you? Though btdt is probably just town, cause why not vote damdred or at least push btdt harder if you're going to buss your scummate anyway? Doesn't seem scum v. scum to me. You don't see that? | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:12 Mocsta wrote: holflare tactic this game is to claim he has said something, that upon filter dive is so vague no one knows what he is talking about. prime example is selling the damdred case by saying it initiated it. - i.e. appeal to authority Mocsta, dude, can you let him talk? These potshots aren't going to convince me (don't know about anyone else) and I want to evaluate for myself if it makes sense for him to be this tunneled on you. | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:21 Holyflare wrote: I also don't understand what you mean about a btdt/damdred town world and him not being mafia? Mocsta was darth foley's main push, as I remember it. That's a strange buss for darth foley. | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote: Which wouldn't be a problem because I do that all the time but I reevaluate if it's something that blatant. Which Mocsta is seriously lacking. I don't think his reads have progression. It's just someone is maybe scummy for something into now this person is scummy with no reason in between. To be fair, it's actually quite reasonable to believe that you might be scum with darth foley. You both pushed mocsta. You pushed a town lynch on Damdred. Which, by the way, if you're town...shame on you. I don't care if Damerion's Christ returned from the grave; you know how spot on my read on Damdred is. Even if Damerion's town, he just put the meta read he's using together. Trusting him over me was stupid. And it's not like you've been acting like you think I could be scum at all. When Btdt was who we were talking about as a counterwagon you were fairly laidback about it, then stirred yourself up something pretty when people started voting darth foley, yelling that Damdred was scum. When asked, you weren't townreading darth foley. Clearly you weren't townreading btdt, either. And yes, I know, I know, you were at work and capable of posting still but not till you got home did you start on Damdred yada yada got it. What I'm saying is, why do you think that using some of mocsta's points to push a town lynch should make him want to townread you? Would you townread you? | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:32 Holyflare wrote: Bussing is having a resurgence massively. I don't really care who df pushed weakly or not. It wasn't weak. That's the weird part. | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:48 Holyflare wrote: Despite my want to lynch Mocsta, he's posting and I have a chance to be wrong (even with his repeated bs posts in between mine and the fact I don't think I'm wrong) I still want to lynch prplhz first. His vote is by far the most mafia indicative. Maybe you should go off feels  Your evidence sucks balls.Anyway, you know I'd lynch a prp. It's my idea, after all. I'm revisiting Damerion today, might put my own case together if I still feel strongly enough about his being scum. Thanks for at least helping me keep this from turning into a shitfight between you and mocsta again. Toodles. @mocsta, thanks for the same. I'm done with him for now. | ||
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On January 21 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote: Also I don't expect you to understand why I put so much weight behind Damerion but I truly haven't seen him be wrong on a mafia lynch yet and he seemed certain so I put a lot of weight into him. Seemed really hail mary if he's mafia to look awful after a damdred flip. Didn't seem necessary at all. I know you have. Nevertheless, memories are imperfect. And his town games are impressive. This just proves I'm still the Damdred whisperer. And! If Damerion is scum, I'll have you to thank for sending me to his past games, so there's that. | ||
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Heroes of the Storm - scum Damdred - 3 posts out of 3 pages of filter Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - town Damdred - 8 posts out of 6 pages of filter Won't comment further cause I'm sure the rest will go in a post somewhere. @kmatt - that would be nice | ||
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On January 22 2018 04:32 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm fairly certain prplhz is scum. That's not exactly a new conclusion. I'm more interested in the rest of your thoughts. | ||
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On January 22 2018 17:13 Mocsta wrote: meh.. i can see why you think you said it. still think its crap though Several of us did, mocsta. I brought it up before the day phase in my reads post, linking prp specifically to darth foley if he ever flipped scum, and have mentioned it multiple times since. It may be time to consider that communication problems aren't one-sided between you and holyflare. | ||
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Letting y'all know so if you have anything to talk about (generally regarding scumreads or with me specifically) you do it in the next few hours and not right at deadline, at least if you want my attention. Though honestly I think the chances of prp being town here are pretty low, so I'm fine with the lynch as is. | ||
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Below are the posts from four games worth of filters that express reads on new people, or new reads on the same people. Please note that in this game he had three 'reads'...Damdred as scum, and Darth Foley and Mocsta as null. Also please note that the null reads given on the latter were solicited by Twatty and not volunteered independently. + Show Spoiler [This game] + On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote: Good morning, I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point. But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game. He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not. And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post. Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts. I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off. ##vote Damdred On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote: Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go. I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote: I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him. Hes a smart player though. As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum. I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. Now take a look at the Day One filters from the three town games he's played on this site. There are plenty of reads coming in all three of them, most unsolicited. If you want to pop in and look at his whole filter, it's true that he tends to focus on his strongest scumread and talk a lot about them, but this is not to the exclusion of evaluating the rest of the players in the game like it is in our game. + Show Spoiler [Day One in Previous Town Games] + HEROES OF THE STORM On November 01 2017 06:46 Damerion wrote: Hello, Entry post analysis Conversion, nothing to go on. Krogan is a bit to on the nose and seems to be made in hunor to be scum. Rsoultin note: I have no clue what he was trying to say here. Will update on whos post I do not like as the day goes. On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote: Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point). He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself. I am above 50% that he is scum at this point. On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote: No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier. And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time. In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point. On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote: Hello, I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do. I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people. Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong. But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed. And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Newbie Student Mafia XXVII On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again. Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission. Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles. My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point. The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve. I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. On October 13 2017 11:07 Damerion wrote: That is how some people play mafia, I disagree that my first part is totally worthless. It is setting a standard of play, one that I hope to be able to approach the game with. Secondly, I am unsure how expressing my feelings toward certain people makes you feel such a way. Be that as it may it is your right to play how you wish. As for my read on Oatsmaster is that he is towny, his catch/pressure on RuxXar seems like it comes from town. It reads as if he is paying attention looking for little details that would make someone scum, and acts on it. I do not know Oatsmaster scum range obviously but I am confidant that this action would more than likely come from town. On October 15 2017 00:57 Damerion wrote: The meat of the post was about how Grackaroni acted and treated Oatsmaster. I will admit it is possible a light bus this early is possible, but I will make a decision on that at a later date. Right now thoughts about Grackaroni would be appreciated as I see him coming more from scum than town in his aplroach at the moment. On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote: Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short. I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time. In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town. On October 15 2017 05:59 Damerion wrote: Let us do Oatsmaster instead Hurricane Shelter Mafia On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote: Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable. I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is. 1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments. Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him. 2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1. Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should). Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power. Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1. Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade. Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere. This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game. I think we should follow this plan. On September 30 2017 02:49 Damerion wrote: How rude! Nobody agrees with my plan so perhaps you can ignore that part of my post. Hiwever I think the points about Grackaroni are still highly pertinent. In fact I think the points on Grackaroni become even better when you take into account he claims it is in jest. His first post reads serious, his response is his backpedling, him townreading the person that is scum reading him. It makes little sense from a town perspective in my head at least. As for the other participants, Oats, Koshi are both slightly underwhelming but its more of an true neutral right now. I dislike how Raynpelikeet is approaching the game slightly. He is about excuses in the end of some of his posts. Also somewhat lacks the drive to actually play and find scum, not only that his townread on some of the people in his list is lacking to say the least. His read on Grackaroni is especially lacking, considering how I am reading him at least. Most others I am lacking an opinion on, also FecalFeast is one of the people that I think might be confirmed town if Grackaroni is scum. (Also happy birthday Damdred) On October 01 2017 02:14 Damerion wrote: I do not think Rels should be lynched here. He is more of a null read than anything currently for me. Hiwever Grackaroni still has not done a thing that resembles trying to solve the game in any way. What vivax pointed out about one of his posts is an excellent point and should not be ignored while he sits on the sideline. Breshke is another person worth a look, the things he has said in thread have been underwhelming and just seem to be doing things to look busy. His scumread and follw up vote does not read as genuine and ia actually a mess of a point in which Breshke twists the facts to meet the conclussion that he set out with. The third mafia I am not super sure of at this juncture, its possible it is Chezinu. His posts leave a bit to be desired and he is also harping on nonsense. Holyflare is just getting a mention because I have heard good things about him, and he does not seem scummy right now. Also, returning to the evaluation of this 'like' meta that Damerion presented us with, please refer again to the post below: On January 22 2018 04:08 rsoultin wrote: Breaking news for anyone who finds this interesting/amusing...going off a very reliable pool of the two games in which both Damdred and Damerion played on TL Mafia, it does in fact appear that Damdred says 'like' outside of the proper usage slightly more often as town than as scum. Heroes of the Storm - scum Damdred - 3 posts out of 3 pages of filter Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - town Damdred - 8 posts out of 6 pages of filter Won't comment further cause I'm sure the rest will go in a post somewhere. @kmatt - that would be nice There were just four posts from Damdred when Damerion pulled the trigger based on his newly formed meta case: + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote: And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it. Slight Town: Rsoultin Holyflare BTDT Slight Scum: DF (sorry baby) Mocsta Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know. On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote: Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy On January 18 2018 21:37 Damdred wrote: That was a weak ass call out, besides just a list either way and can change. But I do think its possible. On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote: But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway. But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway. As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today. While Damdred certainly didn't use the word 'like' as a valley girl might...i.e. "Like, he's just not saying like."...he uses it as both alignments and there is very little difference between frequency. That Damerion claimed he was scum for not using it in four posts when even as town the frequency is more like 1 in every 15 posts says to me that 1) Damerion probably did in fact note down this meta point and 2) should have known it was much too early to make a call on Damdred based on it. This supports my assertion that Damerion was using it to push a case without actually caring about Damdred's alignment. I have not had the time to look further into how he read Damdred in previous games to evaluate if that lines up with how he evaluated Damdred in this one, but I wanted to post this before I leave for a few hours. TLDR Damerion is scum because 1) He is not involved and making organic reads like he did in his town games and 2) The 'like' meta was true but misapplied with no intention of using it as a tool to actually discern alignment (i.e. scum pushing a lynch) | ||
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On January 23 2018 05:01 Holyflare wrote: I still don't understand the thought process between "I am mafia and damdred is town so here's this theoretical meta I have been sitting on that I'll use after 4 posts from damdred that he can instantly disprove by playing" but maybe that's just me. You're arguing that this would be a poor way to play as mafia. I'm arguing that this isn't his town game. I honestly believe my argument is better, because plenty of people don't play an 'ideal' scum game. I distinctly remember Carol of the Bells where you pushed a bunnies lynch as scum, hoping to ride the towncred from strongly pushing a lynch target. This doesn't look any different to me. As for prplhz, I agree that he's probably scum. The reason that I prefer Damerion is I don't expect to have a D3. Any scrub can lynch prplhz. I'm not convinced that Damerion gets lynched if I let it pass. So I would strongly encourage you to lynch Damerion today, holyflare. How do you explain the very stark difference between his gameplay here and his play in his three town games? He hardly seemed interested in anything but his premature meta case. I've seen this sort of play before, with an organic town game and a lazer-focused scum game, from trfel. | ||
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On January 23 2018 06:29 Holyflare wrote: His complete lack of seeming availability? I'm not saying he's not mafia I'm just saying prplhz is definitely mafia whereas Damerion has a sliver of hope. So I'd rather get the definitive mafia out of the way. Umm...I'm basing my read entirely off of Day ones, which he played this game as well as the others. He's also been spotty in his town games, probably because of his job which as I understand it is a resident doctor? Meaning his 'availabiltiy' is not an excuse for the difference in play. Your obstinance is aggravating at best >< I just don't want to see you guys let Damerion get away. | ||
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On January 23 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote: I'll lynch Damerion tomorrow after we get rid of the mafia vig today ok? I'll trust the rest of town to hold you to that if I don't get to do so myself. Either way I think we hit scum here, so going to bed. Toodles. | ||
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On January 23 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote: I feel like I'm mafia this game. Lol >< the only thing I have going for you is a weak tonal read based on...nothing much more than gut. Assuming I'm right on Damerion, I don't even know where to begin on a third scum. The game is so dead. My head says you. I really need town to start posting and solving :/ I think we have one more free mislynch before being wrong becomes a scum win? | ||
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Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious.
