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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 00:19 GMT
#1338
On January 27 2018 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
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On January 27 2018 09:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
I saw you claim blue. If I was mafia I would without a doubt kill you because you're confirmed town AND blue and the rber is dead.

Pretty sure this does not mean anything. Especially since you know that btdt is a very bad nightkill otherwise and I doubt you were 100 % sure about this. And who knows - maybe btdt was the target? Ever thought about that?


He's the doctor. So no.

Ok, first:
Why are you so certain about that?
second:
Why on earth would you say this as town?

I am sorry if I am destroying a legitimate town strategy here but we have enough mislynches.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 00:24 GMT
#1342
On January 27 2018 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
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On January 27 2018 09:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
I saw you claim blue. If I was mafia I would without a doubt kill you because you're confirmed town AND blue and the rber is dead.

Pretty sure this does not mean anything. Especially since you know that btdt is a very bad nightkill otherwise and I doubt you were 100 % sure about this. And who knows - maybe btdt was the target? Ever thought about that?


He's the doctor. So no.

Ok, first:
Why are you so certain about that?
second:
Why on earth would you say this as town?

I am sorry if I am destroying a legitimate town strategy here but we have enough mislynches.


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On January 24 2018 18:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
(Sidenote - Vig is an investigative role. Having another Cop means two investigative roles. My assumption is that we don't have a GF but Vig/Doc vs. Goon/Goon/RB)



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On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
So that only works if he thinks I'm the godfather but for some reason, he didn't have this thought before. Why did he not have this thought before? Because it's vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb, he's a goon and he's not aware that town isn't aware of the scum roles.



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On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Damerion says: "I have a green check on BTDT". Kmatt says: "I believe the claim! I'm lynching BTDT."

That's not the worst point. But not conclusive either since the green checks basically meant nothing due to the almost guaranteed presence of a godfather.

There shouldn't be a godfather in. Vig/Cop are both investigative. I'm locked on vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb.


He's said it about three times out of the blue and seemed sure. I want to win the game by hopefully not dying and convincing people because that's more fun for me than just yelling and dying and then you lynching kmatt afterwards and I don't care if I out the blue anyway. I'd much rather have some fun and just reveal my alignment by actually doing dumb things that a mafia hf wouldn't ever do. Like not killing the doc with no rb left.

Ok, you do you. But I am not convinced.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 00:27 GMT
#1346
On January 27 2018 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
So today the plan of action is really quite simple. Kmatt turns up and actually has to post some reads and give explanations for his reads throughout the game. He promised them by the end of last night and much like his partner didn't provide them. You must hold him accountable because his only out is to wagon on me.

Sure, he will be under scrutiny too.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 13:06 GMT
#1362
On January 27 2018 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
In fact I'd much rather we skip 48 hours of this game so we can get to next cycle without me being in the way. The amount of bull shit rels spouts is just far too much for me to care anymore.

Just make sure you question the shit out of kmatt because he's not 100% scum even if it's very likely. Mocsta is still on the table.

I understand this stance very well if you are town. But that's what happens if a player of your caliber aligns this hard with mafia (and don't start telling me you wouldn't as scum - we both know it is not true). I can't let you survive like this.
But fortunately even if we mislynch you we are still in a very good spot. So if you are really town and can't be bothered to fight this lynch then all I am asking of you is to give us your best case on how to proceed. And "lynch kmatt" is not enough. The likelihood of kmatt surviving 2 additional lynches is so small that he might aswell concede. So we are talking about the nore complicated worlds here where it is neither of you.
In that case barring any further saves we are likely going to see a final 3 consisting of mocsta, mderg and one of btdt and rels. Your input on these people would be greatly appreciated.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 13:08 GMT
#1363
All of that is of course without consideration of the fact that we may still have hidden confirmed townies in that bunch of people.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 13:57 GMT
#1365
On January 27 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote:
I genuinely think I wouldn't push mafia agenda this hard as mafia lol.

Either way, I think you should be looking into kmatt/mocsta and eventually rels if it gets to that.

I think what rels posted about mdergs vote on damerion on the day prplhz got lynched is quite a redeeming factor for him.

I think Mocsta is pretty much just commenting on random things in the game and existing. I don't know how to explain it other than that. If I try and look back and remember anything Mocsta has said the entirety of the game then I draw a huge blank because nothing has stood out, nothing is memorable. All I see are random soliloquies, they fall on deaf ears and he doesn't seem to care. There's no passion or anything behind his words. He also tried to be hipster on all the lynches we've had so far. On Damdred it wasn't that he got caught out in some weird meta thing it was that he was appealing to people's emotions and definitely not to do with the other thing. Even scum read me straight after damdred despite having the same scum read. Felt very unnatural.

Kmatt has pretty much had no scum reads, has commented on random things. Said his town read was scummy for afking (despite afking multiple times this game), has a scum read on btdt for ...? and has a scum read on Mocsta for being hollow but then town reads Mocsta for the cop check and scum reads btdt even though they are the same check. It's just arbitrary assigning of things. Now that the cop has flipped those two people should come back on his radar but we haven't heard a single thing in terms of reads from him. I asked him one simple question about it and he returned and ignored it. Now that rels has started pushing me I've magically jumped into the limelight despite not once in this entire game has he called me mafia.

Then there's that giant post he wrote which has backwards logic about how if I was town I have already won the game by lynching him but if he's town that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If he's town and I'm town then me backing off and giving him a chance to explain his things should be perfect for him because then there's a chance the game isn't lost if he gets lynched. I still don't understand it. Will he ever explain it? Doubt it.

If all else fails just lynch rels. Everything I post he just writes a mafia narrative for it. I've asked him to back off and reconsider a different world because he WILL be wrong but he just repeats the same narrative again. He fails to explore alternatives and I guarantee after I get lynched it will be "oh, he played so bad it's his fault" rather than his fault for not even engaging in different scenarios. Everyone already knows his case on me so why can't he just let it rest and theorise about other scenarios where he could be wrong? It all seems very forced to me. Way too over the top.

See, this is how we make progress. I won't be sleeping on rels. I know that he is capable of playing like this as mafia. The thing is as long as you live he can easily hide behind his push onto you. I will give him a chance to prove himself or die in the night before I am gonna try to lynch him. But I am pretty sure I will be dead before it comes to this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:02 GMT
#1366
You are in a uniquely fortunate position to solve this game and you have the filters of 2 dead mafia to analyze too. Any further analysis is appreciated. Btdt is 100 % town to you I understand?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:02 GMT
#1367
And mderg?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:15 GMT
#1371
On January 27 2018 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 23:02 justanothertownie wrote:
You are in a uniquely fortunate position to solve this game and you have the filters of 2 dead mafia to analyze too. Any further analysis is appreciated. Btdt is 100 % town to you I understand?


I mean so are you? Just look at me being town, even if you want to vote me, and do the same. Not rocket science tbh.

Fair. But I am very lazy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:16 GMT
#1372
On January 27 2018 23:09 Holyflare wrote:
I think Mocsta's reaction to the btdt rb situation looked really bad like he wanted to keep all his options open on who to lynch somehow. Maybe. He's voting to save me so he can't be all that bad.

I also had this thought when that happened.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:22 GMT
#1373
Voting to save you isn't really something I would credit him for though. It just postpones this problem which might even be in mafias interest.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:31 GMT
#1380
On January 27 2018 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
That means doc saved (2 confirmed) or vet got shot (1 confirmed)

In case of vet, claim now. Same goes for doc.

Claiming is only helpful if it confirms a question mark. Doc shouldn't claim unless it is HF or kmatt basically.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:34 GMT
#1382
On January 27 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
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On January 27 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
Wouldn't say 100%, there's a chance that they were all afk enough to just not submit actions but it's close enough. The vote from df, the rbs etc etc.

Mderg I dunno, pretty hesitant because reading back on him he's not actually said that much at all and seems to be overplaying his df read but his vote on damerion over pprlhz is pretty good for him. I also felt he was a bit towny on d1. It's weak but it's more than I have for the others.
rels led the damerion vote thay day

Mderg was last on that wagon

Do you tjink rels could have bussed?

Rels did not lead that vote. He saw how I caught damerions fakeclaim and pounced. Which is the correct play regardless of his alignment.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 14:35 GMT
#1386
Oh, you are talking about the day before. Disregard my post.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 16:46 GMT
#1393
I just read the day 2 lynch stuff and neither did anyone besides rsoultin really push damerion nor was he really in serious danger of being lynched. No strong towncredit for the people on the wagon.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 19:28 GMT
#1395
:/
Just wanted to voice my disagreement with mocstas "rels lead the damerion wagon day2". He just parked his vote there and that's basically it. Same goes for mderg.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 19:38 GMT
#1397
You? Dunno. Tell me.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 20:05 GMT
#1400
That is reassuring.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 21:09 GMT
#1404
On January 28 2018 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 27 2018 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
That means doc saved (2 confirmed) or vet got shot (1 confirmed)

In case of vet, claim now. Same goes for doc.

Claiming is only helpful if it confirms a question mark. Doc shouldn't claim unless it is HF or kmatt basically.

Who are your question marks?

Replace question marks with "people in danger of being lynched". Everyone is a question mark to some degree.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 27 2018 21:10 GMT
#1406
On January 28 2018 06:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 01:34 Holyflare wrote:
If you ARE town then you have to do something amazing and some hardcore digging on why someone else is mafia because I'm going to flip town and you will without a doubt be next. So that should be weighing on your mind big time.

Yeah and that bothers me a lot. I have no reason to believe mocsta, jat or mderg are town.

Classic btdt.
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