Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 5

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 19:57 GMT

#354

On January 20 2018 04:54 darthfoley wrote:
I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific.

You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:06 GMT

#366

And there's a mderg!

@df

scummy
null leaning scum
scummy

I don't actually require people to say the word 'scum' to comprehend their words. It's a skill, I know. Funny, but I didn't think that you lacked it.

Nor is his opinion on damdred a hedge in any way, and he clearly favors damerion. So why are you reading something different than me?

Also, you're omitting a key element in your KSC read on mderg narrative

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:09 GMT

#369

On January 20 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:

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Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?

Fair. I'm more interested in how your reads are developing, and I liked Rels pointing to that as indicative of his alignment more than yours. (Could check the timestamps but it would be dumb to lie so meh).

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:11 GMT

#373

On January 20 2018 05:03 Damdred wrote:

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Let me make this clear then, it is extremely difficult for my style so early to find meaninful conclusions when so much of the thread is about me.

I still think the game comes down to

DF/moc and then some form of combination afterwards.

I do not believe btdt is scum, his play is to off the cuff and free imo. If I had to lay a idea down thw btdt v damdred wagon is t v t and i wont vote him to save myself.

DF and moc are name dropping each other a bit to create distance but its just shadow games and soft pushes at this point.

Moc vote on me was suoer opportunistic, his vote is over explained and well for just an ok case my damer as he calls it he sure does go in hard.

DF is a little to clean here to me and isnt rwally digging anywhere worthwhile.

RS, Kel, btdt are never scum to me.

After that I really have small inklings, twat doing his vote and never making another contriubtion at this point is head acratching but he could be busy. Same for damer.

HF could go either way and rels.

So eh?

Mocsta could reasonably fool me since I don't know him, but I'm not getting a scum vibe from him. Maybe a...damn it I'm forgetting words now...you scumread him so he's scumreading you...vibe.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:13 GMT

#375

I'm down with a darth foley lynch.

@df...still want my answers. I dream of lynching scum day 1. If you insist on calling one of the most townread townies in the game scum, have at it, but even if you think I'm scum, if you're town it may help sway others -shrugs-

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:15 GMT

#378

On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting

Lol, why? A town Rels is fun.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:18 GMT

#383

On January 20 2018 05:16 KelsierSC wrote:
everytime I read that BTDT filter though....like does this guy really get a pass.

I guess in his defence there is less things to dislike than df.

There's less everything @.@

I feel like going for nulls or almost nulls when you have an actual posting scumread is boring, though. And coin flippy.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:19 GMT

#384

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

??? Isn't deadline in 3 and a half hours? I love having more people to talk with, don't get me wrong, but...lol

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:24 GMT

#386

On January 20 2018 05:20 darthfoley wrote:

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I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy.

I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog

Do I really have to spell this out for you? I struggle to see how you don't see stands there.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:29 GMT

#390

On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

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Priority #2: Other comments of interest

Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.

How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:33 GMT

#392

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:39 GMT

#396

On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred

No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:49 GMT

#403

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:

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I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.

And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:52 GMT

#407

On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:

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Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.

You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious.

And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently.

I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 20:58 GMT

#411

On January 20 2018 05:56 darthfoley wrote:

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On January 20 2018 05:52 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:

And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 21:07 GMT

#416

On January 20 2018 06:03 Damerion wrote:
It is Damdreds fault that I have developed any sort of meta read on him from just a few games. He can confirm or deny this of course which is easy enough to see.

Besides the like thing, I found that out on my own.

Besides that I have no real way to prove anything.

And as for Damdreds motivation, he is a swag type player making plays for the laughs post game. Perhaps he wants to push off a scum partner, or wants to confuse the vote count eod.

I'm not asking for proof in the sense that I want you to convince me that your meta read is right. Despite what I said to DF, I will openly admit that I 100% trust my own way of reading Damdred more than yours when I haven't the faintest who you are, and especially now that you say you've just cobbled this together.

What I want to know is where you're pulling your meta read from. You just put it together, so you should know. He does have a free-flowing game, but his build-up early looked like any free-flowing game I normally see from him. What makes it look different to you? What are you comparing it to that you see a discrepancy in?

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 21:09 GMT

#417

On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:

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No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.

So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

January 19 2018 21:13 GMT

#419

Also, at anyone...

Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.

Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol ><