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On December 12 2017 08:24 Forumite wrote: Not my first pick, but this works. ##Vote Palmar scummy | ||
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On December 12 2017 11:41 Arya321 wrote: Was flood controlled earlier dunno why but was very sad to be flood controlled when I was trying to make my post but anyways I should clarify that we shouldn't do setup talk within the first few hours of the game mainly because it might accidentally get someone to claim blue and plus it can be seen as blue hunting per say too hence why I don't think it's a good thing to do super early Day 1. Anyways surprised Palmar didn't enter the game yet yet people are trying to lynch him. Why lynch an afk person when they wont reveal much information at all? Look at it! It's so pure! | ||
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On December 12 2017 12:04 Conversion wrote: ya but why would you tell people palmar led "us" to utter defeat last game, when you won? In my defense I didn't read the game. | ||
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On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? I never blue/blackhunt and the setup is closed? stupid question. | ||
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On December 12 2017 22:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Man this wagon is big. I feel like it's this bitcoin bubble that's about to burst, Palmar isn't gonna get lynched at all is he?! of course not, that'd be stupid. | ||
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On December 13 2017 00:23 Arya321 wrote: So VE wants to lynch Palmar over oats after Conversion showed a recent game of Oats being scum. Feels a little bit weird will note it for later. noted. | ||
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I think forumite is mafia for asking a stupid question. I think VE may be mafia because he spent way too much time talking himself into voting me. | ||
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I think we should 100% policy koshi if he's in the game too. | ||
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On December 13 2017 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Also all these people calling me mafia get off me. lol | ||
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On December 13 2017 01:06 Kmatt wrote: While I'm not against lynching an AFK, Koshi did work the game I played with him, so I'd rather he live for now. And Palmar wagon is too mainstream for me. Chezinu's posts offend my sensibilities, however ##Vote Chezinu Just enough posts at the start to not be under the AFK lens, but staying completely out of the thread since then. we're not killing chezinu day 1. Just get off this wagon because arguing for it will never work and is actually just kinda scummy. | ||
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On December 13 2017 01:48 prplhz wrote: I kind of like the Kmatt thing, he went for Chezinu which is scummy and then when he was called out on it he made some kind of uncomfortable anime joke posts. I'll not be here for like 20 hours, maybe a little more. Will be back before deadline unless barring some unforeseen betrayal. ##Unvote ##Vote Kmatt The point is that it's not scummy to go for chez if you don't know chez. Does Kmatt know chez? | ||
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On December 13 2017 04:28 Koshi wrote: Bad posts It was a mafia bait post from Arya. Easy to critisize without risking looking bad. I am not catching up tonight (will do tomorrow), but I do agree with this so conversion is no longer town, and koshi looks better for making the point. | ||
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Grack's tone is terrible but maybe it's because I haven't really read much of his posts. | ||
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Grack's tone is terrible but maybe it's because I haven't really read much of his posts. darthfoley has literally said _nothing_ that matters throughout the game. I don't know if it makes him mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote: IT's terrible you and DF have called me mafia on this exact same point for the past I don't even know how many games and you've been right. once. both of you this is kinda awful logic but I'm interested to see how it goes (it's where I currently am with reading the thread). | ||
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On December 13 2017 10:11 Arya321 wrote: Conversion I trying to work with you hence why I trying to talk to you. I was going to ask for you to elaborate more on the reasons but you covered that. No one talks like this btw except LS btw. No one skips the word "am" as much. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:18 Arya321 wrote: I didn't go after chez lmao. That was Kmatt. yeah you're right, that is me getting people confused | ||
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As I was reading the back and forth and trash talking between conversion, hf, koshi etc, I started wondering "right, so some of them may be mafia, but they all care. If I am mafia, I let this happen but still feel the need to post". So I started thinking about people I remember posting, but don't remember if they said anything of value. I 100% admit that the first person I could think of filling the description of my supposed mafia was forumite. So I decided to read his filter, and that is when I said he's 99% mafia. The strong theme in forumite's filter is that he says stuff that mostly is just there to be around. It's not particularly investigative or contentious, but it is there. I'm gonna give a bunch of examples: I already had noticed this post: the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: I know. I was just about to suggest HF when prplhz picked you and didn't want to divide attention. HF for later, you first. Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? Right, you can in theory argue that all this, and every post up to this in his filter is just trolling. The rest of his early filter are mostly random shitty questions with some tiny mechanics or role discussion thrown in. Like while I'm editing this a bit for effect, below is literally everything Forumite contributed to the game early on. On December 12 2017 06:00 Forumite wrote: Noone´s dead yet, planning to survive the first night? On December 12 2017 08:09 Forumite wrote: Hi prplhz. Are you scum or town? On December 12 2017 19:38 Forumite wrote: Do you have any thoughts on the setup and current blue/black-tells? On December 13 2017 07:05 Forumite wrote: Yes, that´s possible, but it doesn´t really give town-points unless Palmar is lynched and they lead the lynch. Why do you say it´s stupid? This is one of your first real posts in this game, and also full of WIFOM and a soft-defend on someone you are voting for. Would you please explain these two? None of this is actually valid scum hunting. None of this seems designed to lead anywhere. There is no follow up, no thread. Just random shitty questions. I kinda remembered this yesterday, so this post here: On December 13 2017 19:19 Forumite wrote: Hi Koshi. Is HF town? What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this? which is just a continuation of the same bullshit really struck me. He continues to sort of mull over the conversion thing which is actually the first thing he kinda follows up on, but again the tone seems super mild and overly diplomatic: Why, for example, does he repeatedly ask people to explain the case on Conversion or says he doesn't follow it. It's super clear (I think I quoted koshi's point about conversion and called it good yesterday). This is just a result of forumite either not reading the thread, or just posting shit so he can talk about stuff while pretending to know nothing about it so it's not suspicious that he's actually not contributing anything to the discussion at hand. He does end up making a call on Conversion's alignment, while still inviting more discussion on it without actually pushing his own alternatives all that much. To summarize, it's the mindset in forumite's posting that makes him mafia: 1) He asks questions with no intention to follow up or investigate the answers. 2) He makes alignment calls with no intention of using that information to move the game in a different direction It's a rather good case. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:24 LightningStrike wrote: Ya since my Arya account just got flood controlled I just doing 1 post here and hope it clears in about 1 hour or so. Palmar what makes you so certain that Forumite is mafia? Just wrote the case. Reading the summary is enough, but I did decide to throw it all together in a large post for reference. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:36 Forumite wrote: Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2? get out of your shell scum. Why on earth are you excusing me for calling you mafia. I'm fucking great at this, I should not be wrong when I'm convinced. If you're town you surely must consider I'm mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:34 Conversion wrote: I'm pretty wary of following Palmar's lynch after last game I'd be okay with a Kmatt/Oats lynch today. I forget who my other scum reads were. I think I don't like HF's face but that's not a legit scum read bitch I didn't read that one. I'm reading this one. I actually made a case. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?" 2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction. Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing? It's not asking questions that is the problem It's the intent with which they are asked, and the follow up that they generate. I know you like people who think you're smart enough to be asked about shit, but it really is a futile excercise. I don't really know his meta, maybe this is just what he does, but it's completely antiproductive. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:50 Conversion wrote: your case was pretty spicy. better than last game for sure not sure if I buy it 100% though. you and I agree on the same thing earlier, but have diverging views on the later half. probably because he's telling people to hop off my case and I'm biased because of that but I'm also wary bc he's doing what Oats is doing but less abrasive Actually the only real case I made last game was on darthfoley who was mafia. I just didn't have the balls to follow through. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is saying Palmar's case is good needs to answer these points for Palmar if he doesn't. Forumite MIGHT be mafia, but not for the reasons Palmar is saying here, and he's representing it as a good case. If he's mafia, it's 100% because of what I wrote. hell, even him 1) agreeing to wagon me while complaining it's not his 1st choice 2) apologizing for wagoning me this is like 90% mafia stuff right there. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:53 VisceraEyes wrote: You quite literally stole the DF lynch from me last game to lynch a townie. I was already lynching DF last game and you derailed that lynch. Not my problem my wayward giant dick swung in the wrong direction once. If you had anchored your case properly I couldn't have swung it. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote: These two things that you wrote in a second are more convincing than anything you wrote in your case, which is why you're fucking suspicious Palmar. You're just trying to make shit up and now you've had time to think of shit. That's literally in my case brother. I know you're getting up there in age but do I need to order some reading glasses on amazon for you? | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:44 Palmar wrote: I already had noticed this post: the reason it's scummy is because he specifically announces it's not his 1st pick. So any illusion of it actually being a pressure vote or whatever else bullshit you can think of is already shattered. It's completely pointless. In fact, he even apologizes for making this vote when I call him out on it. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?" 2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction. Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing? Let's explore the bolded statement: He did, in fact, ask you about your scumreads! And weirdly enough you did actually not specifically answer him (that I can find, but I'm doing research live here). I admit you were in the thread at the time, but if he recognized your posts as answers to his direct question, he never responded to any of what you said. He also asked you about koshi recently, which he hasn't followed up on, but it's rather recent so less important. The point is, you just think he's doing more with this stuff than he actually is because you like people giving you respect  I actually directly answered his question. But I just called it stupid, so maybe that's why he doesn't find me helpful. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:59 Forumite wrote: Not really. You have as good a read on me as everyone else in the thread, that I was slow in the beginning and did a few odd posts early. You are right on calling me out on those, that doesn´t make you scum. Doing a read on me is a null-read the other way around, I´ve gotten a lot of suspicion from townies as town in other games and in reverse I try not to automatically side with those who agree with me. Big question, why do you think Oats is town? Or are you pushing me because I tried to save Conversion? You say that it was a clear case, I´ve read the thread and his filter but I don´t see it. If you want Conversion lynched then give me a case on him first. Going for a chainsaw defence in favor of Oats make you look scummy. No no, you should be calling me either bad or mafia. I guess you are calling me mafia, but then why are you talking about about receiving suspicion from townies? Do you know I'm a townie despite you calling me mafia? What's going on here? | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:05 Holyflare wrote: And last game I was half as busy as I am now! so busy that half your posts are about how busy you are. | ||
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On December 13 2017 00:52 prplhz wrote: I literally don't have a read. Maybe Conversion is town for doing a lot of meta analysis that kind of led nowhere. I loved this read at the time. I think I mentioned thinking prplhz is town yesterday, but if I didn't, he is. It doesn't really say much about conversion (he's still rather nully to me), but both the tone and content of prplhz's post really great. He is my #1 townread I think | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Is my point about him trying to lynch me vicariously also just me having an ego? Because I also find that to be really scummy. haven't read hf yet, we don't really have to worry about him right now. I did not get the feeling he was "vicariously" trying to do anything. | ||
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His filter is basically empty. | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:24 prplhz wrote: I think you should substitute the sweet talking for brow beating. As if I respond to either. | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:28 Forumite wrote: Thanks, I guess Notice how I cleverly set you up for an easy day 2 lynch. | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:49 Kmatt wrote: I was thinking between Palmar and Forumite one of them is scum. I think I can get behind Palmar at this point, Forumite being town makes a lot more sense to me. why am I wrong on forumite. Explain in detail why he's town. | ||
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On December 14 2017 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Well I mean they're not RANDOM! Palmar has made a case on Forumite since Matt started catching up, so like, there's a DICHOTOMY there that can only be denied by logic. lol | ||
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On December 14 2017 02:03 Kmatt wrote: Forumite may not be my favorite poster in the thread, but he's at least asking questions. well now I know how to beat you as mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I'm out of time and was just barely able to finish reading the thread. I really don't like that Palmar just implicitly assumed that none of DF/Koshi/Conversion are scum as a way of justifying a scum read on Forumite in the most round about way possible. I'm surprised that nobody commented on HF's push on LS and that HF is less phased by being ignored than he has been so far. I think Palmar is a better lynch than Oatsmaster but I don't think Oatsmaster is a bad lynch either. I'm going to leave my vote on Palmar. scum | ||
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100% hardclaim. | ||
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On December 14 2017 08:11 Arya321 wrote: Well that escalated quickly. Guess we lynching into HF and Palmar next day phase. HF claims blue every night 1, he's either pretending to mess with or actually mess with mafia. | ||
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On December 14 2017 22:06 Eversince wrote: You look bad, Palmar looks bad, Grack looks bad, A bunch of lower volume guys look iffy (I know I can't really complain right? xd!) I think Koshi, DF, VE look alright and I'll have to do a lot of filter diving tomorrow. I should have some free time tomorrow because it's one of my shorter shifts. But that still won't be until after very late for most people. No one put a ton of pressure on Oats though. So it's hard to put lines between lines of 'this person defending Oats' vs 'this person calling Oats on one liners everywhere and nothing else'. Oats's done that plenty of times to make this flip really problematic for me and I haven't had the time to process much... I look good bro, I'm cop. | ||
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On December 14 2017 22:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I know a guy who invariably lynches D1 claims. does it look like d1 to you? | ||
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I'm not. This is a hard claim. I am the cop, the mafia roleblocker is dead so mafia has to either shoot me or I give town a check every day. | ||
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mafia is hf/grack/kmatt/forumite with a side of chez being unreadable. | ||
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On December 15 2017 05:42 Conversion wrote: @Palmar? what's your check I will reveal my check for 0.02 bitcoin. | ||
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I'm sure I'll figure it out. | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:07 Conversion wrote: he claimed parity cop why would his check return anything.. I want results, not excuses. | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:49 Kmatt wrote: You. What is your power, and what were the results? basically I check 3 people in one night, I know I get one false result (as in I know it's wrong), one true result (I know it's right) and one random result (as in it could be either right or wrong). It's alignment only. | ||
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prplhz green (I included him as a control, but now that I think about it it doesn't really work that way) holyflare green forumite red I actually think I simply need another nigth with like 2 different and 1 same person or something to make any sort of sense of my checks. | ||
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So if we lynch one of forumite and hf, I think we get for free the last person, assuming prplhz is correct. that was at least my thought process at the time. | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:05 Kmatt wrote: So we can't make any concrete rulings from a single night's scan. It's even possible that all three are green. This is gonna boil down to whether or not HF can produce anything to back up his own cop claim. Still think we should lynch the three of you. If it turns out to be a triple green flip and Arya was the scum or something I'll eat my shoe. yes, it could be the forumite is wrong, hf is random and prplhz is correct. I still think we should lynch forumite. there's a 50% chance (assuming prplhz is town) that I simply have a correct red check on him, and additionally he hasn't claimed a role so even if it's just wrong and he flips town (which tells us nothing about hf), hf can have an additional day to explain his thing. | ||
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On December 15 2017 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a boss. nice shot btw VE | ||
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We know we have at least 3 blues (me, some kinda vigi (VE) and some role that can send whispers) and we know mafia has at least 2 roles. To be honest the whisper role could be mafia too. But I'm kinda assuming the role isn't just "send a random player a whisper every night". I'm fairly sure that there's more to it. Also, both my role and the whisper role include a random factor. So I'm assuming that might be a thematic thing here. The reason btw I'm assuming the whisper role is random is that why on earth would someone send me a message about lynching me. Additionally we have 2 more unresolved claims (hf and koshi) although I don't know if they were serious. HF kinda sounds like he is but he does this kinda thing. Koshi was probably trolling (or maybe the whisper thing is related to a doctor move?). In any case, we don't really need more claims today. Mafia needs to kill both me and VE in the coming nights and looks like they have just 1 kp (although maybe we have a doc-type-role and someone got saved). It's probably best to hold claims unless you have a really good reason to claim for now. | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:25 Kmatt wrote: Seems like a waste to give that to you. Unless the recipient is random. This "Simple" game is becoming anything but. I'm assuming it's random yes | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:35 Holyflare wrote: I'm not blue and why is this a bastard game? so you're actually retracting? | ||
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I'm sure I will end up posting more though | ||
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On December 15 2017 07:40 Forumite wrote: Palmar gets 3 checks, but none of them are reliable. He needs a second round of checks, preferably at the same people, and even then its not certain to give results. Your power is actually more reliable, although it takes an extra day to use. he unclaimed. | ||
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On December 15 2017 15:06 Conversion wrote: even if palmar dies and flips not scum for whatever reason you have enough room to lynch me and still win lol so who cares I like how Conversion's poe includes himself. | ||
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Holyflare Eversince Forumite The list of people who probably are town but it's weak: Conversion Kmatt LS And here's the list of people who are highly likely to be town: Koshi VE prplhz the wildcard is, as always, Chez. | ||
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On December 14 2017 21:53 Eversince wrote: I'm going to boil this down for you too. The vote WAS 6-2 (Minus ME! So why the fuck would I not vote you if I was teamed with Oats + Partners) if I was mafia?! Oats 5-3, ME 5-4, PARTNER 5-5, IUNNO Anyone else who even the semblance of a mafia read on you.... like say half the damn thread?! This is a terrible defense btw | ||
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On December 15 2017 20:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar you're being voted because no one believes that there's a multi-sanity cop in a game with exclusively normal roles. No I didn't, I've maintained that I'm a VT from night 1. On December 14 2017 07:11 Palmar wrote: I claim VT. 100% hardclaim. | ||
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On December 15 2017 20:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh you were claiming third party with your non-claim. I get it now. You're a pleasure Palmar, I'm sorry we didn't get along for so long. Yeah no, I'm not third party. | ||
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On December 15 2017 21:09 Forumite wrote: I like how his case on me hasn't changed since D1. His 3 checks could all be townies, so there's an out there if we lynch 3 times. I'm not 100% sure on HF though, but he looks much better than Palmar after this claim circus. The case doesn't change because you can't change actions that happened in the past. However, if I was a betting man I'd actually pick Eversince as my #1 chance of hitting mafia. You did put the first vote down on Oats. While that may have simply been bad luck by you (as mafia) that it took off, it does give me some hesitation about your alignment. You've still not said anything that particularly makes me think you're town, but of the three people in the scummy part of town you'd at the moment be my last pick to be lynched. | ||
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On December 13 2017 18:32 Eversince wrote: Mmmright, Lasy thought before sleep: DF: I get. I sure he's town too. Chez: This is Chez, Chez is Chez, and Chez is Chez as Chez is brown. I like brown. CherryMX Browns to be precise. Chez is as pleasurable to me as Browns can be to me. Chez is the 'Bezz? (Sorry, not the greatest with English or spins of phrase...) Purple has not said enough notable for me to remember so ack to that. And Forumite is the same boat as Kmattl; I liked you super ealy on but 'meh' EVERSINCE! (puns not intended but I'm easy to amused while drunk!) This post right here is for example tonally very scummy. No one talks like this, not even when drunk. | ||
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On December 15 2017 21:28 Koshi wrote: meh. I'll reconsider everything you say once you flip. You're terrible at mafia. | ||
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On December 15 2017 21:33 Forumite wrote: Said anything? I've done something, I got Oats lynched. It might have bern with support from town and against lurking scum, but are you really implying I bussed a scumbuddy for the hell of it? Sure, it happens, but is that what you accuse me of? No, because it is most likely we have 1 mafia left as both the mafia who have flipped had strong roles. 11v3 is certainly plausible, especially if town has no investigative role. So yes, I have less reasons to think you're town than most other people in the game, and it's not impossible you did bus Oats, but my point was the opposite, that you being the first person on the Oats wagon changed my view that you're the best option for a lynch today. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm just doing as I'm told. I cannot be held responsible for what my other personalities do. You know that I despise claims in general. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:06 VisceraEyes wrote: To be fair, I didn't think it was trash at all, the mafia team just had a shitty time and bitched a lot. The mafia team was mostly baddies tbh | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:06 Eversince wrote: Nothing to do with that though? Oh, you better hope I don't come back before deadline, or we will have lots of fun. I didn't write that. Do you deny being the vigilante who shot Grack? | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:07 Eversince wrote: Palmar who deliver kp last night? I don't know, don't even know if KP is delivered, although I guess by the looks of it you do | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:09 VisceraEyes wrote: RoL BC WBG who else Toad? get your vote off me and onto someone who has a remote chance of flipping mafia and I'll reminisce with you. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you envision a world in which you win against me in a similar situation Palmar? I have won as 3p but can't remember if you were in the game. I'm not 3p or mafia this game. I'm strictly town. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:14 VisceraEyes wrote: THATS RIGHT, I ACTIVELY DON'T THINK PALMAR IS MAFIA. I THINK HE IS THIRD PARTY. Alright, half way there. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Unfortunately Palmar I'm in the unfortunate situation of being afraid of you with a gun, so I don't get to unvote you and look for the last Mafia, which is I think the..................more fun play. 1st of all I don't have a gun. If I do have a gun and am not town, why would I shoot lynchbait low volume posters? Like think really, really hard about the scenario you're creating (Palmar is 3p SK) and ask yourself, why wouldn't I have shot one of the people who actually both scumread me and have the clout to get me lynched (Like Koshi). You know that my policy as mafia is to shoot the people I believe can cause me problems. I almost never wifom shoot (and if I do I shoot my teammates or something hilariously theatrical like that). Whoever shot Grack was shooting mafia. Not a threat. There is no player in the entire game who can possibly claim that Grack is the biggest threat to him. In order for me to 3rd party all the following easily disprovable points have to be true
Do you honestly think that 3p Palmar sat down and thought to himself "I can surely argue Koshi or HF or VE or prplhz into the grave, but this Grack fella scares the shit out of me"? Use brain please. Lynch mafia, not townies you're afraid of. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:16 Eversince wrote: Yeah, I'll go ahead and call it now, Because way I see it we win if town wins today )Short of SK [god damnit mod, tell me how these work in your games r.r!] Your claim is trash, all roles have been generic. Your's happens to be super complex and weird. HF visits no one last night. I am town tracker. I asked possible win cons for SK. So lynch Palmar. If the game goes past that, I have to die. Sorry. Bit at least you know, I would love to claim credit for the vig shot, sadly it wasn't me. I have no claim you illiterate fool of an excuse for a player. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is Palmar attacking players personally? It's making me uncomfortable. Because I'm having to repeat things I've very clearly since I last had a personality change. | ||
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Yes but you say that every game. I don't think you've ever called me town when I was mafia, but you've also basically never called me town when I'm town so that doesn't really mean much. I'm arguing with the people who actually function somewhat. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:29 Eversince wrote: Don't call me a illiterate fool, You did, it's in your filter, and short of me getting very pissed off at you; look at your damn filter, My filter is fake evidence. Ignore it. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Which of the 3 acts like an asshole and TRYS to get lynched. There is no jester in a normal game. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote: You're not acting like town Palmar. You're acting crazy, and it's just making me want to lynch you. There is no correlation between my alignment and my multiple personality disorder. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:32 VisceraEyes wrote: It's normal. Isn't it? I could have sworn it was. I KNOW it is on MafiaScum, and I THOUGHT it was on TL. fairly sure TL would never consider it normal. We basically never have those because we all agree they're a terrible role. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:28 prplhz wrote: Caller games where Brazil nukes the earth from orbit don't count. Anyway, I'm absolutely not feeling this Palmar lynch, will be back later (unlikely) or tomorrow (less unlikely). You need to convince the rest of them. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:27 VisceraEyes wrote: He's acting like a Jester. He knows that post directed at me will cement my vote on him. Why? Is there a hole in my logic? | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:32 prplhz wrote: Maybe Godfather can deliver kill without getting tracked or watched or maybe there is some sort of cop in the game too. There is no cop in the game, it's even unlikely that there is both a tracker and a medic in addition to the vigilante. A tracker is a weird claim, but yes there have been godfathers who can't be tracked (sometimes also called ghosts or ninjas). If the KP is delivered it was 100% delivered by the godfather. I don't know why Eversince claimed, it was a terrible claim and quite possibly triggered by the fact that I noticed he was talking about delivered KP. I think most normal games just have a factional mafia KP, but I'm unsure what the trends are these days. That being said, I'm conflicted on Eversince right now, especially as he has basically no follow up play to his claim as mafia, so I'm inclined to believe him, but it's weak. I have no idea if VE is actually medic but lying about it or not he's probably not mafia. So I'm looking at HF now as the most likely mafia remaining. Chez also needs to get in here and start doing work. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:37 Eversince wrote: I don't think there is a SK. I tracked HF because he;s just to good to be as 'meh' as I found him. He survived buy didn't go to anyone and OATS/Grack are now dead. So unless mafia have a 5'th to carry dp, HF is not mafia. If your claim is true, Grack is 100% a godfather that avoids all detection (cop/track/watch) and thus he was the one delivering the kill last night. So it says nothing about hf. If KP is delivered and mafia has a godfather that can deliver them safely, there is no way they'd ever not send that guy with the kill. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:41 Eversince wrote: To me; It it 100 percent Palmar. His role makes no sense in the sense that there has been 'generic RB' 'Generic GF' 'Generic vig' and me as 'generic tracker'. His role is total bologna. And we should lynch him. If there is a SK in the game you guys are on your own because I will probably get killed tonight. Remember when I called you an illiterate fool? This is why. I have no role, no role. I've never claimed having a role. I am a VT. | ||
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No it doesn't, his conclusion is that HF is not mafia, which cannot be concluded from the information at hand. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:33 VisceraEyes wrote: If not then good, I can just stay on Palmar. Palmar you need to either act like town or....whatever, I don't care what you do if you aren't going to act like town. I am acting like town, I'm literally the only person in here acting like town. On one hand we have a bunch of people who are voting me for literally no reason, and on the other we have me arguing we should be finding the last mafia, AND contributing to actually figuring out who the last mafia is. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:43 VisceraEyes wrote: And this is why I'm going to lynch you today - because you're doing shit like saying you didn't say shit you really did say. On December 15 2017 22:05 Palmar wrote: I cannot be held responsible for what my other personalities do. On December 15 2017 22:33 Palmar wrote: There is no correlation between my alignment and my multiple personality disorder. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:45 Koshi wrote: It should be obvious that yesterday I already PoE'ed you mafia. And it should be obvious if I was any kind of a killing role I'd have murdered you. Even as town vigilante I'd have shot you just to spite you. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:45 Arya321 wrote: You claimed cop here: Next post: Plus your weird cop variation isn't a normal and just checked the op and says normal roles. ##Vote: Palmar I love how LS found the contradiction! | ||
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I claim the vigilante I shot Grack last night. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:54 Eversince wrote: I will admit I don't know TL rules but most that I play on if the deliverer is killed require a new player to fill that spot if jp is delivers. No all actions (except roleblocks) happen simultaneously on TL, so if grack gets killed, he still gets to use his action that night unless roleblocked. | ||
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So yeah, I literally just got the response that my role is meant to be one-shot, so there is no reason at all to hold the claim, which had I known I was one shot, I would have claimed right away. So erm.... peace guys? | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote: God damnit Palmar NO. No. Because it would say how many shots you have. You're a liar trying to deceive me. DECEIVERRRRR!!!!! Nope, literally didn't. I admit I did get carried away with the cop claim. I decided to do it because I was under suspicion and the mafia RB was dead. I figured I'd draw fire (and still get the shot off) or at least just confuse the fuck out of them (this is bad HF logic, but I felt like doing it so give me a break). Then I trolled for a little bit while waiting for damdred to answer me regarding if I didn't absolutely certainly have many shots, and forumite said this: On December 15 2017 06:27 Forumite wrote: Grack, Oats flipped red, Palmar is pointing a finger at HolyFlare, assuming Palmar did a parity cop read between me and HF (or Palmar is full of shit trying to dictate next 3 lynches). A lurky scumteam might explain why they didn't try/succeed on diverting the D1 lynch. I will reread when I have time. I don't think it's impossible that there could be 2 scum left, I'm not sure what the usual number is for 14-player games. and I sort of thought "hey that's a great idea" and literally created the worst cop role ever imagined by humanity on the spot, just to fuck with everyone. I kept thinking "well doesn't matter, shot mafia". I underestimated people's willingness to kill me. So then I saw peopel actually wanted to kill me so I switched personalities, but you know, then finally I get told that my role is one-shot. So now I'm fucked. I blame Koshi. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe. 2314 isn't bad either. Grack was also hinting at Palmar so I can see Palmar kill Grack as SK. Leaving stronger townies to help him find mafia. I don't really know. Because logic dictates that Grack casually mentioning me once in his completely no-impact filter would have made me panic and shoot him instead of killing the fuck out of someone like you who was screaming for my death at the top of your lungs and has a terrible history of never, ever changing opinions on me. Sure koshi, good think right there. Well thunk. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:06 Koshi wrote: There is no evidence for that I think. You mean experience? Maybe. Palmar wasn't going to get lynched and Grack isn't the best mafia player I think. He was quite obvious mafia when I opened his filter. So maybe distancing etc. Problem is there is an SK I think. Palmar does not play like this as town. Prove it. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:10 VisceraEyes wrote: You know what he means Palmar, and I agree with him. This isn't your town play. Your town play is more like, "Oh you guys don't believe me, no matter I'll just go find the rest of the mafia team so I can call you all noobs after the game" in my defense I shot the fuck out of mafia and agreed with the Oats lynch. I think I've done okay. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote: Yes. That is why I don't understand df died. But your play man.. your play... I hope that if you are town, you are vig, so there is no SK. I am somewhat hesitant to believe there are 2 games in a row with an SK. That is your saving grace. But I don't like your scumlist at all. If it isn't you. I want to look at Chez now. Conversion looks so doom and gloom the entire game... I don't know. Chez + HF are the most likely right now. But I refuse to analyze Chez as I always get it wrong anyway. Conversion shit talking HF made me think maybe he's town, that's why he was in my 2nd tier list. ES's filter is still bad. He has the tracker claim, which is only valid if VE's medic claim is null. We don't have an SK and we have a vigi. in an 11v3 game we almost certainly don't have 3 blues. Forumite still had a very, very odd sounding day 1, but as I already explained, in his defense he did start the train on Oats, and he did it knowing VE was likely to support it (VE talked about it before forumite jumped on it). This makes him less likely than the others to be mafia, and in my opinion off the table for this day. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:12 Eversince wrote: No logic dictated that your " I have 3 reads that I can compare 2? and or 1? Don't know shit situation followed by HF declaim, followed by mods basically saying this would be generic roles, and then followed by a confirmed generic tracker which makes the vig generic too ..... Your role claim is bologna then. My role claim is vigilante. Keep up mate. We work at lightspeed here. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say you've done bad if you're town. I'm saying you're doing bad now. LOL well I blame hosts and koshi | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:13 Conversion wrote: so you are vig and you thought the best way to be townie was to fake-claim a fake cop role to fuck with everyone? THEN claim vig? I thought I was multi-shot vig. Didn't want mafia to autokill me n2. Wanted to keep the town kp vs mafia kp at 2:1 ratio. I admit, it wasn't the best idea I've had. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:16 Koshi wrote: He isn't. We need to lynch him. The tracer claim does not make sense with another blue vig. Way too many dt roles. There are literally 3 roleclaims in the game you imbecile. 1) Me vigilant 2) ES tracker 3) (and this one is probably fake) VE Medic | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:16 Eversince wrote: Read that is ; Mafia RB, Mafia GF, Town Vig, Town tracker, 100% and you are this mid state 30-70 under powered cop? Lynch Palmar or lynch me. I prefer Palmar first incase there is a SK But either way BLEH I am a vigilante. No one has ccd that claim. No one has ccd the shot on Grack. I killed Grack. QED. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:23 VisceraEyes wrote: THATS RIGHT, THERE /IS/ A DOCTOR MAFIA! GET OVER IT! This one here btw, is what I'm talking about. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar why didn't you shoot Forumite instead of Grack? I was gonna, changed my shot because I realized I was tunneling. I am a firm believer in Ace's methodology of playing vigilante. Shoot lurkers and trash that look like scum. Lynch more active mafia. Grack was clearly the best shot. | ||
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ah right I misunderstood. thought you were claiming. Yeah no, there is no more source of KP. Damdred's balance of the game was probably based on most vigis failing at their job. He forgot I'm good. | ||
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On December 15 2017 00:13 Palmar wrote: your poe isn't bad though. mafia is hf/grack/kmatt/forumite with a side of chez being unreadable. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:21 Eversince wrote: I am alive, and there is a confirmed vig who has wisely stayed quiet out there, You know these are generic rolls. Palmar's claim is garbage. I Am already awake again for longer than I should of been. I'm going to sleep. I am the vig, and there is no cc. Any vigilante SHOULD counterclaim because if someone else shot grack I am 100% antitown. The problem is, I am not, because I shot him, and no one will CC it. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Grack wasn't active though, he voted you and fucked off until the end of the day, then made like a post or two justifying his continued vote on you and fucked off some more. Unless I'm missing something? Yes, read my post. SHOOT lurkers and trash LYNCH active mafia I SHOT an inactive trash mafia. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:24 Eversince wrote: But you're not Vig are you? You didn't shoot your partner last night did you? Oh no, of course not. Well, do you cc? does anyone CC? | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:23 VisceraEyes wrote: kmatt way more active than Grack. HF too for that matter, in spite of being "way more busy" than he thought. you're illiterate too jesus guys | ||
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why is grack dead then? do you now think I'm SK so your brain doesn't have to accept being wrong? | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:32 prplhz wrote: Like, can you just work together now Koshi and Palmar until there is a CC? As much fun as it would be to lynch Palmar it's just a pretty shitty idea. I'll work with anyone. Have a look at my list and tell me what you think. | ||
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On December 15 2017 23:37 prplhz wrote: I know your ego is taking a major blow here but just deal with it and move on Koshi. This guy is so good and he don't know it. | ||
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The willful ignorance is like an oil tanker at full steam. | ||
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On December 16 2017 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why it's more likely that he just happened to think that the vig was ambiguously X-shot instead of him just being the SK. Why is that the line here? My role is vigilante I got no indication how many bullets I have. Maybe TL has changed, but while 1-shot or 2-shot vigis are the most common, the role usually includes a clarification on the number of bullets. I know most vigs aren't multishot, which is why I actually asked for the clarification. But there was nothing indicating I wasn't and it would have sucked to claim vigilante to find out "oh, I can actually keep shooting but now I claimed like a retard". | ||
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On December 16 2017 00:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Like whatever, you disagree. Fine, but don't make fucking fun of me because you disagree with me. he's justified, he's using his brain, you're not. | ||
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On December 16 2017 00:11 Kmatt wrote: Oh my goodness is anyone else not claiming a power? Please just lynch Palmar and be done with it. Kind of a scummy post. Complete non-involvement and refusal to look behind the status quo | ||
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On December 16 2017 00:33 Holyflare wrote: You weren't sure until now if you were multi shot vig so you claimed cop at night to bait out getting shot so you were clear instead of being the lynch? *clap* I admit I may have had better ideas. But that does not change the truth value of my plea for innocence! | ||
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Meanwhile prplhz is not only being correct, he's both correct for absolutely the right reasons and is laying out his case in such a clear and concise manner that you have to willfully ignore it to not agree. He's taking on the entire thread sentiment with stone cold logic. I am 100% certain that prplhz is town. The combination of the incredible applied skill to the situation, and the guts of taking on the inertia if this train of stupid... I'm slightly aroused. I always knew prplhz is a very good and logical player, but this is a goddamn masterpiece unfolding. | ||
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I can accept being lynched, because yes, inexact game mechanics did screw me over a bit, and I shot mafia. So I'm rather content with my part in this game, even if we waste a lynch here. | ||
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1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT. 2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats. 3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you. 4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work. 5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything. | ||
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On December 16 2017 07:38 Koshi wrote: Palmar is 9 times out of 10 mafia. The SK is unknown. while koshi is almost certainly town, do NOT sheep him blindly. Koshi is a fear based townie who will always go with the "easiest" lynch. He's the sort of player that will lynch the most observably scummy person in the thread, because if he doesn't he might get played or blamed for not doing the "obvious" thing. Koshi is a good player because very often the "obvious" thing is the right thing. He sticks to the principle of just killing whoever he can convince himself should be mafia to a fault. Essentially, if you want to work with Koshi, you should do the following: a) listen to his primary lynch candidate. That player will have done something that is objectively scummy. b) Question the read. Is the player just a troll/idiot/newbie/mistaken or is it actually mafia stuff. The point is, it very often is just mafia stuff, which is why you need to listen to koshi. But his weakness is seeing situations like the one we are in today, where his scorched earth strategy is straight up harmful. | ||
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote: You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment. You already know the unccd vigilante shot has literally no chance of making me mafia. Why are you bullshitting town? | ||
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On December 16 2017 10:02 Holyflare wrote: it's un CCd because it was an SK you're trying to take advantage of which you also know can be tested by literally just counting the shots tomorrow | ||
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On December 16 2017 10:03 Conversion wrote: here’s my problem palmar. I can’t see where prphlz is coming from when he’s calling you town. no one forced you to do this claiming shit and you placed this situation on yourself, first by ignoring it with your split personality joke and then doing weird claims and devolving this entire day into figuring dumb claims out I'm going to sleep it's 1am my time, but I'm gonna help you along: You can't see where prplhz is coming from because you're applying the minimal amount of logic to the situation. Your thought process is: 1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people 2) That's not pro-town 3) Ergo he must be scum The difference is that prplhz has added some actual thinking on top of this. 1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people 2) That's not pro-town 3) It's also stupid as fuck if he's mafia 4) and why would he draw attention to himself like that as SK 5) Ergo Palmar is trolling because he's an idiot and it doesn't tell us anything about his alignment. My play makes no sense from any faction whatsoever. It literally is just that... me trolling. The only meat on the bones you need is the fact that I shot mafia and no one is contesting it. | ||
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On December 16 2017 10:18 Holyflare wrote: you get destroyed by damdred clarifying claims As if I wouldn't know that a 3 way parity shit cop would never be in even a themed game, let alone normal one. I helped write the rules on normal games bitch. The only thing I got fucked by is that my role name is specifically "vigilante" with no specification of number of bullets. Also to the newer players who still think "Palmar doing stupid shit = Palmar is mafia", go back and enjoy the case I wrote on myself. Hell read that entire page it's rather fun: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479252-mini-mafia-down-under-2?page=6#102 | ||
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On December 16 2017 09:24 prplhz wrote: @Palmar Is Koshi scum or is he just tunneling so hard he invented this insane SK scenario in a desperate attempt to avoid you being confirmed town? He's probably town. He's not this committed to his stupidity when he knows it's wrong. | ||
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On December 15 2017 22:28 prplhz wrote: Anyway, I'm absolutely not feeling this Palmar lynch, will be back later (unlikely) or tomorrow (less unlikely). On December 15 2017 23:29 prplhz wrote: Also, Palmar is having way too much fun for someone who just lost two buddies before d2. If the is a CC, we lynch Palmar. If not, lets look for something else. On December 15 2017 23:35 prplhz wrote: Like, the Grackaroni shot only makes sense from a town perspective, he was sort of not participating in the game. So if there is a town vig, then we just assume it's Palmar until someone CC's. On December 15 2017 23:37 prplhz wrote: I know your ego is taking a major blow here but just deal with it and move on Koshi. On December 15 2017 23:43 prplhz wrote: VisceraEyes Like he already pointed out, there is no way Palmar is more afraid of a Grackaroni-led wagon with a solitary vote than a rampaging Koshi who just so happened to vote some some other guy out of sheer stubbornness. The cop claim was to have fun and possibly draw fire. No one who has played with him took it seriously, just look at the three counter claims. Palmar isn't stubborn and shooting Grackaroni fits with the Ace mentality like he said and that's how you play vigilante, you shoot into trash like Grackaroni. On December 16 2017 07:22 prplhz wrote: Now can anybody tell me why the SK claimed cop for no reason? The problem with this claim is that it was so fake that no one believed in it except some new players so it was really just for the purpose of kind of doing whatever, having fun, and possibly drawing a night kill from some panicking scum. This is just not very scum. Now he's claiming vig which fits alright. Any setup speculation that conclusively proves that we have an SK is just wildly speculative and probably wrong. I gotta say I don't particularly get this thing with the single/multi-shot. What exactly was that about? On December 16 2017 08:20 prplhz wrote: The simplest explanation about all of this Palmar stuff is that he's the vig but decided to fuck around for a while (which is fairly common for Palmar). On December 16 2017 08:52 prplhz wrote: It also hinges on Palmar knowing or betting on that there is an SK. Instead of just going back on his claim and saying that he wasn't serious (and he has a history of fakeclaiming so whatever). On December 16 2017 08:25 prplhz wrote: Come one LightningStrike, how many times have you read Palmar and thought "What on earth is this man even DOING?" only for him to be town? 9 out of 10 times? | ||
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On December 16 2017 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote: WHY AREN'T ANY OF THE MAFIA VOTING FOR TOWNIES?! ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL GAME ALL TOWN HAS JUST BEEN VOTING FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME!!!! It's evolving! | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/q6xwrS9.gif) ♥ prplhz stay with me 4ever | ||
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On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote: Explain plz. I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself, he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch. Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment. This is a trash post. If you're scum you're forgiven, but if you're town you should be literally ashamed of yourself for making this post. I'll break down why: On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote: I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself So by your logic, only I am allowed to defend myself. It's fine that everyone has a hand in making the case that I'm mafia, but as soon as someone starts making the case I'm not they're not allowed to play? Just to note, I HAVE been doing my defending myself. The fact some people agree with doesn't change anything. I have not been skimping on defending myself. On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote: he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch. There are something like 10 townies alive in this game. 1 of those townies is being wagoned, and according to forumite-logic should be in charge of defending himself (see above). Additionally, that same 1 player should be town's primary scumhunter. In fact, if you were being logical at all, it's the rest of yall that should be scumhunting, because none of you is occupied with defense at the time. It's not my job to find mafia. It's my job to not get lynched here. If I find mafia in the process that's good but I only have so much time and energy. On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote: Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment. No of course not, but it's still the most reasonable thing to do if they don't believe I'm mafia. I have no idea why you're even writing this. If you're absolutely convinced I'm mafia that's fine. But 2 people who you strongly think are town (you have shown no indication otherwise) are calling the case either super wrong (prplhz) or wavering on it's merits (koshi). Why do ignore them. Do you think they're stupid? malicious? What's the deal here? | ||
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Kmatt looks slightly worse. Chez looks slightly better for doing his own thing, but I have a track record of being terrible at reading chez. | ||
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Also prplhz thinks forumite is mafia so that's a good indicator that it's at least the direction to look into. | ||
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On December 14 2017 00:53 Palmar wrote: If he's mafia, it's 100% because of what I wrote. hell, even him 1) agreeing to wagon me while complaining it's not his 1st choice 2) apologizing for wagoning me this is like 90% mafia stuff right there. It's still a very solid point to make for forumite just being the remaining mafia. That along with his strictness about the rules by which I can be acquitted and the fact that prplhz has an IQ comparable to the sum of the rest of you makes me favoring forumite lynch today. | ||
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On December 16 2017 12:24 VisceraEyes wrote: You don't need me, you're a force of nature. :D He doesn't need you, we do. Before meteorology we thought the gods controlled weather. Chez is nature, but for us to understand it, we need a scientist. Wear your mantle with pride. Your job this game is to figure out Chez. | ||
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Show some initiative | ||
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