[M][N] Heroes of the Storm Mafia

On October 28 2017 22:28 Damerion wrote:
/in

I got traded off some of my 30 hour shifts, if I am still welcome to play anyway.

On October 30 2017 10:03 Grackaroni wrote:
/obs

On October 31 2017 04:40 Tictock wrote:
I'll /in to help this get started soon.

I will be the obligatory afk'er. ( I still work 70 hour weeks).

Feel free to give my slot away if anyone else wants to play, but I can at least keep the slot warm.

On October 31 2017 20:09 Rels wrote:

Don't underestimate me.

On November 01 2017 01:47 Damerion wrote:
##vote RuxXar

On October 31 2017 11:03 Tictock wrote:


I work 2 jobs atm. I barista and work FoH at at breakfast/lunch place and then stock Dairy and Frozen at Target in the evening.

On November 01 2017 02:57 darthfoley wrote:


hype hype hype

On November 01 2017 04:39 Damerion wrote:
I am currently a resident, so all of the hours and none of the safety of tenure.

On November 01 2017 04:42 Damdred wrote:
well this is a thing, time to poke ruxxy on discord before it starts because ill miss his talks

On November 01 2017 04:01 Tictock wrote:
Meh not really to be honest. They have decent Chai and teas, and while frappachinos have coffee in them they have enough sugar and flavorings that you can barely tell.

You aren't missing much by avoiding Starbucks.

On November 01 2017 07:16 Holyflare wrote:
Confirmed town. First.

On November 01 2017 07:38 Conversion wrote:


I’m jim raynor actually

scum

On November 01 2017 07:43 Conversion wrote:


who’s ur top 2 entrances

On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied?

On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied?

On November 01 2017 07:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Of course you don't liar.

On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
[b]##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.

On November 01 2017 08:06 Conversion wrote:
damdred/damerion/ruxxar

ez scum GG

On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?

On November 01 2017 08:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My last game was a long time ago. What does that say about me?

On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?

On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.

On November 01 2017 08:53 Conversion wrote:


nah actually I'm willing to blind follow you 100% after the last 2 games

you're not as good this game though so that's weird.also I never trust HF because he is a "big name" so that's a bad point

On November 01 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote:


oi don't red text me m8

he just seems weird throwing out all these soft reads. his usual play has been slam down hard with a big read that calls out 2/3 or 3/3 scum, but idk. maybe he's trying to be more active b/c he died last game because of it, but I don't like it

On November 01 2017 09:08 Conversion wrote:


it's what HF said before, why change up your playstyle when nothing was wrong with it to begin with? the only reason I can think of is he wants to avoid being lynched b/c of activity again, so he tries to throw out soft reads by looking active. I don't like that

if his big read posts in the previous games were off, then I can see why he's trying to change his playstyle

I don't think I'm being unclear, and have no idea why you're nitpicking at the point, so make that two of us that don't understand each other

On November 01 2017 09:08 Conversion wrote:


it's what HF said before, why change up your playstyle when nothing was wrong with it to begin with? the only reason I can think of is he wants to avoid being lynched b/c of activity again, so he tries to throw out soft reads by looking active. I don't like that

if his big read posts in the previous games were off, then I can see why he's trying to change his playstyle

I don't think I'm being unclear, and have no idea why you're nitpicking at the point, so make that two of us that don't understand each other

On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:


I'm not putting words in HF's mouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game

On November 01 2017 09:30 Conversion wrote:


I don't like it != he is mafia

??????

On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:


I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.

Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary

Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.

So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger

On November 01 2017 09:33 Conversion wrote:


I'm defending it because it's completely inane to debate something so irrelevant and it's mind boggling that any of you think this is productive

On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problem I have with DF is attacking anyone possible is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey)

On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:


The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game.

On November 01 2017 22:59 Conversion wrote:


The thing is, Shockey is the thread sentiment right now, I am not. People have me at a lazy null b/c they don't want to revisit my filter due to time or such, so it'd be a pretty safe push as a mafia. If I flip town, he could have said, "Well he was acting really scummy" or "I didn't like his tantrum/outburst" and no one would bat an eye until end game, really

On November 01 2017 23:27 Damdred wrote:
Hello

@oats honestly I couldnt say I have never seen him roll scum, just town in the few we have played. So guesswork is all I can say.

more gut reads Tictac is going to be town for his tone and trying to catch up without hiding his thoughts. I liked him a bit. Especially that he was takimg stances.

I have fairly subsrantial town list but no real scum feeling yet meh

On November 01 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:


I'm not defending DF I'm trying to explain that I don't understand/agree with you and krogan's reasons, so I'm asking questions

On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.

I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.

Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.

and conversion is coming off that way to me.

But I got way off track with that post meh

On November 02 2017 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

This HF read is really bad.
Tick tock thinks HF is scummy, but doesn't want to commit to his read based on out of game stuff which is not relevant to HFs alignment.
But still keeps him open as a lynch option

On November 02 2017 03:44 Oatsmaster wrote:

Alright dude, totally gonna feel bad because you told me to

On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:


Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different.

On November 02 2017 03:53 darthfoley wrote:
It's really interesting how quickly this faux wagon built up on me. Gotta reread those pages and see who's legit and who's not. Pretty confident that Krogan is just uber town though

On November 02 2017 03:54 darthfoley wrote:


The jury is still out but you don't think the guy is mafia? So the jury is in?

lolwat

On November 02 2017 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:

tell me why you think that ticktoc is confirmed town?

On November 01 2017 23:44 ruXxar wrote:
Tick tock - I like tick tock. His string of posts shows he’s interested in having an opinion.
His thoughts are flowing well.
He’s a town lean.

On November 02 2017 04:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I read this as "I still haven't made a decision, so let me claim both". What makes the bickering between us aligned some how? lol

On November 02 2017 04:10 darthfoley wrote:


You don't see lighthearted or jovial

On November 02 2017 04:13 Conversion wrote:


agreed. your entire back and forth with me was anything but lighthearted or jovial

also telling someone you're going to vote them until they admit they were wrong seems the opposite of that as well..

On November 02 2017 04:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yeah dude, the first 2 hours of the game totally means your entire game.

On November 02 2017 04:21 Oatsmaster wrote:

Wait wait wait.
Didn't you say you agreed with tick tocks read on shockey's? Ticktock thinks shockey's is mafia but you think he's town.

On November 02 2017 04:31 Oatsmaster wrote:

Not relevant.

1. You claim to be "light-hearted and jovial" when in fact since this game got outta the honeymoon phase you have been anything but.
2. Town read of ticktock doesn't have a good basis
3. List of useless townreads halfway into day 1 that doesn't engage anyone or actually advance the thread but still looks useful

On November 02 2017 04:41 Oatsmaster wrote:

?????
Why do I care about your engagement with conversion when he did something extremely stupid? And your conclusion is that hes town.

Where are the scum reads?

On November 02 2017 04:48 darthfoley wrote:
Yea I wanna hear who ruxx thinks is scum. And other people if possible

On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:

I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.

Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary

Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.

So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger

On November 02 2017 05:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also that ninjavote on Darth Foley is interesting rux, care to share?

On November 02 2017 06:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
You "detected a change in meta" off like 5 posts. Wow im the one "blowing things up".

Also you didn't even put a read on me lol or on HF. Niceeee.

Also what was your meaning of that post that darth quoted?

On November 02 2017 06:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
You did give yourself an out and went back and forth between implying that damerion was towny and that damerion was scummy. Which is essentially what darth said.

On November 02 2017 06:05 darthfoley wrote:
Also @ruxx how am i being wishy washy? I'm not posting townreads lightly. I have four. How is that keeping every option open?

On November 02 2017 06:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you disagree with the assessment that your post is swinging back and forth between calling damerion townie and scummy? Cause it looks like you totally meant that and that darth analysed it correctly.

1) damerion's posting is scummy
2) damerion's posting is townie
3) it might be either I DUNNO?!?!

That's literally what darth said. And you clearly agree with it. So how does that make darth overanalysing every little thing??

On November 02 2017 06:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

No, no, tell me how darth's analysis is wrong because it seems like he got it on the nose.

Am I scum too? Cause I agree with what he said.

On November 01 2017 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

You are a whole lotta nothing burger.
What are you eving doing with this post.

On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it.

On November 02 2017 14:31 Tictock wrote:
Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion...





This is crap bickering about stuff from last game.

I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer.

Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum"

Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here?

In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer.

On November 02 2017 20:30 Conversion wrote:
y’all are still stuck on that lmao

I thought damerion was weird for playing differently and y’all jumped on my throat for sharing something I felt weird about. I said it was the same line of thinking as HF last game, never said I was 1000% right nor was I calling him scum. just something that I felt weird about

was it bad play? yes. did I flaunt myself for being correct or tried to namedrop HF? no

On November 02 2017 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Damerion is probably the best choice right now no? I personally think so only because he talked big to just disappear.

On November 02 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote:
Im back, am catching up now yo

On November 02 2017 23:00 Damdred wrote:


Hey baby, so I noticed that you felt like TT was being a bit off with how he handled the you v concersion. Do you think its scum indicative or just bad town.

Also his last read post, I thought it lacked a bit. whats your say about it?

On November 03 2017 00:49 Damdred wrote:
Lets go baby boy, lots of tt talk bit much votes though

On November 03 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
you can sheep me all you want

On November 03 2017 01:04 Tictock wrote:


You are right I missed you explain your vote in your 3rd post till I reread last night, thought I mentioned that but it may have slipped my attention.

I do think you and many other players blow stuff out of proportion when people are just sharing their thoughts. Like Conv noticed something that was different in Damer's play and made a note about it, then everyone made a huge deal about him speaking his mind. That is what is being blow out of proportion imo. People generally go with feelings and gut reads day one and sometimes those reads aren't super nailed down. That is basically how I play all the time and it always gets me scum read, buy I don't give a shit kus it is how I prefer to approach the game.

It bugs me when I see you guys forcing someone into a corner when there is just misunderstandings about what they are trying to say. The pressure is fine, that is part of the game, it just gets excessive and it's something I notice older scum players will hide behind.

On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space

HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that

Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")

I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad

On November 03 2017 01:11 Tictock wrote:


Ok I don't give a shit about this anymore, I don't get the full context of what the quote was from last game, I just see Conv noting something he thought was weird and it got blown up by several people.

Bottom line is I think Conv is Town because despite all this shit he has stayed active and hasn't backed down from his thinking. The maytering was bad but I can see why he would get flustered.

I'm done trying to explain why I see this the way I do.

On November 02 2017 15:17 Tictock wrote:
Ok read post and then bedtime.

Town -> Scum

Oats Actively pushing the game, solid interactions, good tone. Would be majorly impressed if he is keeping this activity up while scum for the 2nd game in a row, specially endgaming last game

Ruxx Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied

Conv Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town

Krogan More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener

Damer Had a decent post, dissapeared. Possible god reads, I foolishly have hope he will do something interesting before EoD

Breshke I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name

Damdred damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh

HF I've already talked a lot on this read, may be stuck at odds with him

Vivax pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious

Zendude Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?

Shokey shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?

DF all over the place, don't get where his head is at, he goes from super bitchcy with Oats to hard buddy mode for no reason, main reason to scum read me is something silly I said early on about him

I think this is more or less where I am, I had to skim DF's filter more than I would have liked due to needing sleep and all. I think I will be happy if anyone from my bottom 5 get lynched.

I'm going to sleep on my vote I should probably move it to DF but based on last count it seems pretty likely one of him and Shokey are getting lynched and I'm not sure I really care which ATM.

On November 02 2017 15:17 Tictock wrote:
Ok read post and then bedtime.

Town -> Scum

Oats Actively pushing the game, solid interactions, good tone. Would be majorly impressed if he is keeping this activity up while scum for the 2nd game in a row, specially endgaming last game

Ruxx Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied

Conv Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town

Krogan More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener

Damer Had a decent post, dissapeared. Possible god reads, I foolishly have hope he will do something interesting before EoD

Breshke I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name

Damdred damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh

HF I've already talked a lot on this read, may be stuck at odds with him

Vivax pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious

Zendude Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?

Shokey shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?

DF all over the place, don't get where his head is at, he goes from super bitchcy with Oats to hard buddy mode for no reason, main reason to scum read me is something silly I said early on about him

I think this is more or less where I am, I had to skim DF's filter more than I would have liked due to needing sleep and all. I think I will be happy if anyone from my bottom 5 get lynched.

I'm going to sleep on my vote I should probably move it to DF but based on last count it seems pretty likely one of him and Shokey are getting lynched and I'm not sure I really care which ATM.

Ruxx Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied

Conv Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town

Krogan More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener

Breshke I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name

Damdred damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh

Vivax pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious

Zendude Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?

Shokey shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?

On November 03 2017 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
Cool but vivax is mafia though.

On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:
I don't like ruxxar.
Him disliking damer,
scumreading df
and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic.

Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make





In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town.



I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game.

Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that?

On November 03 2017 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why did his earlier posts look so townie that you hard defended him and his later posts look scummy?

On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:


This.

Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared.

On November 03 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

Ok so this looks like the point where you changed your mind. The problem is that he already stated his opinion earlier about the conv and HF confrontation so why did you only think this one was scummy and not the earlier one?

Also bad comprehension was enough to make you go from a hard townread to a scumread? I don't buy it

On November 02 2017 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:

tell me why you think that ticktoc is confirmed town?

On November 01 2017 23:44 ruXxar wrote:
Tick tock - I like tick tock. His string of posts shows he’s interested in having an opinion.
His thoughts are flowing well.
He’s a town lean.

On November 03 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

Ok so this looks like the point where you changed your mind. The problem is that he already stated his opinion earlier about the conv and HF confrontation so why did you only think this one was scummy and not the earlier one?

Also bad comprehension was enough to make you go from a hard townread to a scumread? I don't buy it

On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,

I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.

I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.

Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen

The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.

But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.

And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.

On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:


In the moat concise way possible,

Very little interaction between either of them.
Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether.
Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread.

Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10.

Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.

On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:


In the moat concise way possible,

Very little interaction between either of them.
Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether.
Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread.

Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10.

Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.

On November 03 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now, will read the other 90 % of the game. Highly doubt I will do much besides repeating that we should lynch shockey.

I've checked a bit of his meta already and am not much the wiser as a lot of those are old or themed games. But since DF called him lynch bait as of late, in the one game where he actually got lynched D1, his filter looked much better than here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/184673-mini-mafia-iv?user=ShoCkeyy#

Also, Damerion wants to lynch him, Damerion has awesome reads and until you think he's mafia you should sheep him.

On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote:
Before I head out I will say a couple of things.

Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria.

Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself.

Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch.

I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with.

I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched.

On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though

On November 03 2017 05:48 Vivax wrote:




WTF LOL

On November 03 2017 05:49 darthfoley wrote:


Never understood the whole "I'm voting for this person and telling them I'm pressuring them, not because I think they're mafia strategy"

Might as well play poker and show your hand to the whole table

On November 03 2017 05:51 darthfoley wrote:
Actually though. Everyone went from "omg Darthfoley so scum, yea I agree!" To completely forgetting me. What gives @ruxx and others?

On November 03 2017 06:45 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hey guys, just got caught up and I'm gonna post about some of the people that have stuck out for me when reading thread and some stuff I didn't have time to write last night. Also want to clarify, I like doing big posts like this rather than a few smaller posts, both to gather my thoughts and have others see my views more easily.

Conversion:

Conversion for me right now is neutral. His point about Damerion changing his playstyle has some merit too it, although I disagree that it has to be a scum-tell. What most people seem to fixate about him was his reaction when being attacked by others. I'm gonna have to defend him here, no one likes to being accused of being scum. Was it an overreaction? Yes, but both mafia and town are going to be upset if they are accused of mafia. He's been aggressive which I think is a point towards him as town and backs up his votes and accusations with his reasons why he does. However I did find something weird about him. Back early in the game when people were attacking him, after reacting the way he did he simply left and said he was being attacked for posting his views. This was really a strange move for me. Someone said he was "martyring" himself and I have to agree. That's why he gets a neutral read in my book.



Damerion

I just went through Damerion's filter. His early posting is fine, he voted for Shock but gave reason for it. But then he posted this not too long ago



He gives 4 people as mafia, but with no reasoning for any of them before he is asked to do so, and then only does so for two of the 4. He also hides one of the names for fear of "developing a war". I feel this is more a scum thing to do, since scum are more afraid to get attention to themselves and want to just quietly slip under the radar. I also want to bring into attention this post he made:



The bolded part is exactly what Damdred said a few hours earlier. He basically just copied what he said and passed it off as his own thought. This is very scummy thing to do, and he is scum-lean for me. I still think both Darth and Shock are more scum than him, but he's number 3 on my list.

Oatsmaster

Oatsmaster is right now the only one I read as town. He is aggressive and pushes his lynches relentlessly, both qualities that I believe make you town. But I feel like he's tunneling rux a bit hard and his reason for it are not that strong. He has a lot of post, but from what I understand he says Rux lies about saying shock was town early in the game, and now he is still going for him because of it. I looked at that Rux post and it's kind of a strech to say that he lied. He said ticktock reads the game same as him, but then calls shock town while ticktock called him mafia. This isn't really lying in my book.

Darth is still my number one in scumlist so I'm gonna keep my vote on him.

On November 03 2017 06:45 The_Zen_Man wrote:
I still think both Darth and Shock are more scum than him, but he's number 3 on my list.

On November 03 2017 06:55 Rels wrote:

ShoCkeyy (3): Tictock, Conversion, Vivax, Damerion
ruxXar (3): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan
Tictock (2): Damdred, ruXxar, ruXxar
Vivax (1): Holyflare , ruXxar
Darthfoley (1): Oatsmaster, happykrogan, ruXxar, The_Zen_Man
Damerion (1): Holyflare, ShoCkeyy
Conversion (0): Conversion, ruxXar
Oatsmaster (0): Darthfoley

Not voted (1): Breshke

At the current vote count, ShoCkeyy will be eliminated from the game. Deadline in

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:
Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:
Final Day 1 vote count

Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax,

Tictock is the lynch.

On November 03 2017 19:55 darthfoley wrote:


Tell me how you could switch onto Shockey when you said 2 hours before deadline that you were confident shockey was town? How do you spin that believably?

On November 04 2017 05:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:


Honestly, your arguments for me seem strangely stupid. Your best argument for me before the lynch was that I wrote big post. Now, according to Holyflare you yourself usually write big posts so that makes your criticism of me even stranger. Your argument was exactly like Damdred but you tried to pass it off as your own. And how is writing a big post bad here? It's much better than writing little text on a lot of posts.

But the weirdest part of your criticism of me is that you think I'm mafia for last night's voting, which I still don't understand. According to you I tried to both bus and save TT at the same time, though I'm not sure how that is even possible. If you want proof that it was a mistake just look at my post shortly before D1 lynch, I clearly stated I was gonna vote for Shock.

On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.

On November 04 2017 06:53 Damdred wrote:
I wont lie will be a little salty if hf really shoots damer. Think hes town here but meh.

In any case if I die lynch into Zen and the people on rux imo.

On November 04 2017 07:00 Holyflare wrote:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ shot vivax

On November 04 2017 07:34 Holyflare wrote:
yeh we lynch between oats or ruxxar today

On November 04 2017 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lol great, so you wouldnt mind dying?

On November 04 2017 08:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey ok so you dont think im mafia, Darth is dead.
WHO IS MAFIA NOW THEN HUH?

On November 03 2017 06:45 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Conversion:

Conversion for me right now is neutral. His point about Damerion changing his playstyle has some merit too it, although I disagree that it has to be a scum-tell. What most people seem to fixate about him was his reaction when being attacked by others. I'm gonna have to defend him here, no one likes to being accused of being scum. Was it an overreaction? Yes, but both mafia and town are going to be upset if they are accused of mafia. He's been aggressive which I think is a point towards him as town and backs up his votes and accusations with his reasons why he does. However I did find something weird about him. Back early in the game when people were attacking him, after reacting the way he did he simply left and said he was being attacked for posting his views. This was really a strange move for me. Someone said he was "martyring" himself and I have to agree. That's why he gets a neutral read in my book.

On November 04 2017 08:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did the same thing

On November 04 2017 08:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok the big question I have about the nightkill is why damdred didnt die.
Nobody thought he was mafia, he was on Rux.

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:
Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan,Tictock, (conversion)
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax,(the_zen_man)
Vivax (1): Holyflare
Damerion (1): ShoCkeyy

Not voted (1): Breshke

Tictock is the lynch.

On November 03 2017 07:22 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Wow, okay. That was super good for us but I have to be honest, my vote on tick was just a mistake. I can't take credit for it at all since I originally just wanted to vote shock. But in case you guys didn't notice, CONVERSION JUST TRIED TO SAVE TICKTOCK THE MAFIA!

On November 03 2017 22:37 The_Zen_Man wrote:


I don't think so. TT lynch was an accident basically, so can't have been a bus. At the very least I dont think they intended to bus him, since he was GF mafia. We can probably assume that those 3 that voted for TT (Damdred, Ruxxar and Damerion) are town.

On November 04 2017 09:29 darthfoley wrote:
GG all, GL town

On November 04 2017 19:46 The_Zen_Man wrote:
About the night kill, As some have pointed out already it's suprising that none of the 3 that voted for TT died tonight and instead DF. If not the three then I was pretty sure Oats would die, he seems the most townie to me. It could have been a mafia vote for mafia on TT to deflect suspicion, and they just didn't expect me accidently also voting for him.

On November 04 2017 19:46 The_Zen_Man wrote:
About the night kill, As some have pointed out already it's suprising that none of the 3 that voted for TT died tonight and instead DF. If not the three then I was pretty sure Oats would die, he seems the most townie to me. It could have been a mafia vote for mafia on TT to deflect suspicion, and they just didn't expect me accidently also voting for him.

On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.

On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:

Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax,

On November 04 2017 21:24 The_Zen_Man wrote:


Again the same, trying to fit your view by ignoring reality of what happened. I clearly said I wanted to vote shock, and then I tried to switch when I realised my mistake. Anyone should be able to realise that the voteswitch wasn't alignment indictive at all yet you using it as an argument is really strange. My vote was on Shockey from the beginning, that was what I meant to do and that was what I wanted my vote on. Yeah, I preferred TT wagon over you, but I preferred Shock over both of you, something I said several times.

At this point it seems you are just ignoring the truth and cherry picking to fit your view.

On November 04 2017 22:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oats has been trying to set up ruxxar, look at how he was fine with voting for either myself or ruxxx but never ticktok. Kills DF because DF was pushing ruxx as well to make it look like ruxx killed DF at night. There is also that point where he was yelling at Conversion to vote ruxx.

On November 05 2017 03:20 Damdred wrote:
hi, I am really deressed and i hope mafia can make me feel better.

I am hoping people are around to interact or ask questions. I really am having a hard time fighting through so if anyone wants to talk and help me focus would be appreciated.

On November 05 2017 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

RuXxar (2): Oatsmaster, happykrogan,
The_Zen_Man (2): ruXxar, Conversion

Not voted (6): Damdred, The_Zen_Man, Holyflare, Damerion, ritoky, ShoCkeyy

At the current vote count, ruXxar will be eliminated from the game. Deadline in .

On November 06 2017 02:09 happykrogan wrote:


That's wrong and I don't know why you are thinking that.

I think he is mafia for being opprtunistic and I think the df kill points to him (or if he's town to you).

After the TT flip I doubted that he bussed until df made some good arguments.

On November 06 2017 03:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:


At the time of my original vote (22:58 swedish time) it would have been split between Shock, TT and Ruxx so it was still a viable lynch. Since Ruxx was set to be lynched I figured he would want to maybe save himself and Vote Shock. After I made my accidental vote I went back to the thread and made that post, then back to vote thread and wanted to double check voting. That's when I saw my own post and just hurried to change it to what I wanted before. I didn't even see TT vote since I didn't refresh, just wanted to change my vote as fast as humanly possible.

On November 06 2017 03:59 ritoky wrote:
i am not going to lynch anyone who lynched mafia yesterday cuz i am not an idiot.

On November 06 2017 04:12 ritoky wrote:
i wish i had been mafia in the past with any of the people i am considering lynching, so i could nk wifom who doesn't procedurally understand that you need to shoot on the wagon last night to maximize your lynch pool.